Challenge to Origin of Life: Energy Harnessing (Long Story Short, Ep. 7)

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Discovery Science

2 жыл бұрын

Chemical evolution would have required a continuous supply of energy to create the first life. But are the energy sources that have been proposed for chemical evolution realistic? In this episode of Long Story Short, explore some of the challenges chemical evolution would have faced in order to harness the energy needed to originate the first life. This is one of several episodes about the origin of life.
For more episodes in Long Story Short, see: • Long Story Short
REFERENCES CITED:
(1) Branscomb, E.; Russell, M. J. Frankenstein or a submarine alkaline vent: who is responsible for abiogenesis? Part 2: as life is now, so it must have been in the beginning. BioEssays 2018, 40 (8), 1700182. Kitadai, N.; Maruyama, S. Origins of building blocks of life: A review. Geoscience Frontiers 2018, 9 (4), 1117-1153. Miller, S. L. A production of amino acids under possible primitive earth conditions. Science 1953, 117 (3046), 528-529.
(2) Note. Technically cells can absorb some forms of energy like heat, but without a way to harness the energy it’s not useful and can even be damaging.
(3) Note. Technically, there are five complexes involved in oxidative phosphorylation but only these three are relevant to the discussion at hand. Complex II (succinate dehydrogenase) also participates in the citric acid cycle and runs parallel to Complex I (NADH ubiquinone oxidoreductase) except Complex II receives electrons from FADH2 but doesn't pump protons and Complex I receives electrons from NADH. Complex V is the wonderful ATP synthase (or ATPase when it runs in reverse and breaks down ATP to pump protons backward to build up the gradient).
(4) Note. Also known as “free radicals”, they damage molecules like DNA by altering or breaking covalent bonds and are a major source of what causes us to age.
(5) Vu Huu, K.; Zangl, R.; Hoffmann, J.; Just, A.; Morgner, N. Bacterial F-type ATP synthases follow a well-choreographed assembly pathway. Nature communications 2022, 13 (1), 1-13.
(6) Walker, J. E.; Saraste, M.; Gay, N. J. The unc operon nucleotide sequence, regulation and structure of ATP-synthase. Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA)-Reviews on Bioenergetics 1984, 768 (2), 164-200.
(7) Lane, N. The vital question: energy, evolution, and the origins of complex life. WW Norton & Company, 2015; p 82.
(8) Note. ~3k protons/sec per ATP synthase. Creating ~326 ATP molecules/sec. Biovisions at Harvard University: Electron transport chain • Electron transport chain .
(9) Note. Average human = 70kg. ATP = 507 g/mol. A human therefore weighs as much as about 140 moles of ATP. A human consumes about 140 * 6.022X10^23 = 8.43X10^25 ATP molecules per day. 1 day = 86,400 seconds. Therefore, each second, a human consumes 9.75X10^20 ATP molecules. Basically 10^21 ATP molecules per second, which is "a billion trillion ATP molecules per second".
(10) Note. Producing ADP also requires many complex enzymes, each produced with the help of energy from ATP: pyrophosphokinase, amidophosphoribosyltransferase, GAR synthetase, GAR transformylase, FGAM synthetase, AIR synthetase, AIR carboxylase, SAICAR synthetase, adenylosuccinate lyase, AICAR transformylase, IMP cyclohydrolase, and adenylosuccinate synthase. Voet, D.; Voet, J. G.; Pratt, C. W. Fundamentals of biochemistry: life at the molecular level. John Wiley & Sons, 2016; pp 802-808.
(11) Note. Some machines operate on other molecules with high energy-transfer potential, like GTP but the problems there are the same as with ATP. .
(12) Lane, N. The vital question: energy, evolution, and the origins of complex life. WW Norton & Company, 2015; p 106.
(13) Note. Via a pH gradient that provides a high pH (alkaline) solution that mixes with the neutral or lower pH seawater.
(14) Miller, B.; England, J. Hot Wired. 2020. inference-review.com/article/... (accessed 2022 April 28).
(15) Jackson, J. B. Natural pH gradients in hydrothermal alkali vents were unlikely to have played a role in the origin of life. Journal of molecular evolution 2016, 83 (1), 1-11.
(16) Jackson, J. B. Natural pH gradients in hydrothermal alkali vents were unlikely to have played a role in the origin of life. Journal of molecular evolution 2016, 83 (1), 9.
(17) Lane, N. The vital question: energy, evolution, and the origins of complex life. WW Norton & Company, 2015; p 168.
(18) Bonora, M.; Patergnani, S.; Rimessi, A.; De Marchi, E.; Suski, J. M.; Bononi, A.; Giorgi, C.; Marchi, S.; Missiroli, S.; Poletti, F.; et al. ATP synthesis and storage. Purinergic Signal 2012, 8 (3), 343-357.
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REFERENCES CITED: (1) Branscomb, E.; Russell, M. J. Frankenstein or a submarine alkaline vent: who is responsible for abiogenesis? Part 2: as life is now, so it must have been in the beginning. BioEssays 2018, 40 (8), 1700182. Kitadai, N.; Maruyama, S. Origins of building blocks of life: A review. Geoscience Frontiers 2018, 9 (4), 1117-1153. Miller, S. L. A production of amino acids under possible primitive earth conditions. Science 1953, 117 (3046), 528-529. (2) Note. Technically cells can absorb some forms of energy like heat, but without a way to harness the energy it’s not useful and can even be damaging. (3) Note. Technically, there are five complexes involved in oxidative phosphorylation but only these three are relevant to the discussion at hand. Complex II (succinate dehydrogenase) also participates in the citric acid cycle and runs parallel to Complex I (NADH ubiquinone oxidoreductase) except Complex II receives electrons from FADH2 but doesn't pump protons and Complex I receives electrons from NADH. Complex V is the wonderful ATP synthase (or ATPase when it runs in reverse and breaks down ATP to pump protons backward to build up the gradient). (4) Note. Also known as “free radicals”, they damage molecules like DNA by altering or breaking covalent bonds and are a major source of what causes us to age. (5) Vu Huu, K.; Zangl, R.; Hoffmann, J.; Just, A.; Morgner, N. Bacterial F-type ATP synthases follow a well-choreographed assembly pathway. Nature communications 2022, 13 (1), 1-13. (6) Walker, J. E.; Saraste, M.; Gay, N. J. The unc operon nucleotide sequence, regulation and structure of ATP-synthase. Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA)-Reviews on Bioenergetics 1984, 768 (2), 164-200. (7) Lane, N. The vital question: energy, evolution, and the origins of complex life. WW Norton & Company, 2015; p 82. (8) Note. ~3k protons/sec per ATP synthase. Creating ~326 ATP molecules/sec. Biovisions at Harvard University: Electron transport chain kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gredh66prpq7nmg.html. (9) Note. Average human = 70kg. ATP = 507 g/mol. A human therefore weighs as much as about 140 moles of ATP. A human consumes about 140 * 6.022X10^23 = 8.43X10^25 ATP molecules per day. 1 day = 86,400 seconds. Therefore, each second, a human consumes 9.75X10^20 ATP molecules. Basically 10^21 ATP molecules per second, which is "a billion trillion ATP molecules per second". (10) Note. Producing ADP also requires many complex enzymes, each produced with the help of energy from ATP: pyrophosphokinase, amidophosphoribosyltransferase, GAR synthetase, GAR transformylase, FGAM synthetase, AIR synthetase, AIR carboxylase, SAICAR synthetase, adenylosuccinate lyase, AICAR transformylase, IMP cyclohydrolase, and adenylosuccinate synthase. Voet, D.; Voet, J. G.; Pratt, C. W. Fundamentals of biochemistry: life at the molecular level. John Wiley & Sons, 2016; pp 802-808. (11) Note. Some machines operate on other molecules with high energy-transfer potential, like GTP but the problems there are the same as with ATP. . (12) Lane, N. The vital question: energy, evolution, and the origins of complex life. WW Norton & Company, 2015; p 106. (13) Note. Via a pH gradient that provides a high pH (alkaline) solution that mixes with the neutral or lower pH seawater. (14) Miller, B.; England, J. Hot Wired. 2020. inference-review.com/article/hot-wired (accessed 2022 April 28). (15) Jackson, J. B. Natural pH gradients in hydrothermal alkali vents were unlikely to have played a role in the origin of life. Journal of molecular evolution 2016, 83 (1), 1-11. (16) Jackson, J. B. Natural pH gradients in hydrothermal alkali vents were unlikely to have played a role in the origin of life. Journal of molecular evolution 2016, 83 (1), 9. (17) Lane, N. The vital question: energy, evolution, and the origins of complex life. WW Norton & Company, 2015; p 168. (18) Bonora, M.; Patergnani, S.; Rimessi, A.; De Marchi, E.; Suski, J. M.; Bononi, A.; Giorgi, C.; Marchi, S.; Missiroli, S.; Poletti, F.; et al. ATP synthesis and storage. Purinergic Signal 2012, 8 (3), 343-357. ===
@filonin2
@filonin2 2 жыл бұрын
"Science"
@OrthoFireCrusader
@OrthoFireCrusader 2 жыл бұрын
God bless you
@moses777exodus
@moses777exodus Жыл бұрын
Natural selection and evolution cannot exist in a Darwinian ideology / worldview without the hypothetical Abiogenesis process. A person does Not need to have a Phd (or even an undergraduate degree) to question the validity of the Abiogenesis Hypothesis, or any hypothesis. As long as people have an understanding of basic scientific principles, common sense, and open mindedness to seek the truth, they can come to a more accurate conclusion for themselves. Basic Science 101: Wikipedia 2021, *_“A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the SCIENTIFIC METHOD requires that one can TEST IT … Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is NOT the same as a scientific theory.”_* Hypothesis is also referred to as a Hypothetical or Educated GUESS. Wikipedia 2021, *_"In evolutionary biology, abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life (OoL),is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. While the details of this process ARE STILL UNKNOWN, the prevailing scientific HYPOTHESIS is that the transition from non-living to living entities was not a single event [i.e. spontaneous generation]... There are several principles and HYPOTHESES for how abiogenesis COULD HAVE occurred."_* One of the reasons that abiogensis is merely a "hypothesis" and has not advanced to the status of being a "scientific theory", is that abiogenesis hypotheses still lack the experimental data required by the scientific method. Abiogenesis Hypothesis has passed the scientific method process zero (0) times.
@moses777exodus
@moses777exodus Жыл бұрын
​Modern Quantum Physics has shown that reality is based on probability: ​ A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of just one (1) functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by un-directed random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.) Of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer. On the other hand, it has been scientifically proven numerous times that Consciousness does indeed collapse the wave function to cause information waves of probability/potentiality to become particle/matter with 1/1 probability. A rational and reasonable person could therefore conclude that the answer is consciousness. A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely irrational and unreasonable hypotheses are what some of the world’s top scientists ‘must’ believe in because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview. Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased, incomplete ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millennia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by observation of the universe and discoveries in Quantum Physics.)
@robinj.9329
@robinj.9329 Жыл бұрын
Even as a kid in school, I was never convinced that complex living organisms could "make themselves" out of non-organic material. This theory that life spontaneously appeared out of nothing is truly ridiculous.
@charliegranberry2594
@charliegranberry2594 10 ай бұрын
Yes, that is what Lous Pastur was about, and other experiments like his, plus what you learn if you watch stuff about thermodynamics and chemistry, abiogenesis is impossible.
@johnhelpher576
@johnhelpher576 Жыл бұрын
I don't know what the dynamics are of budgeting, researching, and scheduling at DS, but this series needs more of it. I'd like to watch one of these every week, (though I know from personal experience just how much work goes into scripting the content before even getting to the actual animations). Anyway, keep up the good work.
@charliegranberry2594
@charliegranberry2594 10 ай бұрын
yes
@mofojackson
@mofojackson Жыл бұрын
This is awesome and really adds to what James Tour and Stephen Meyer talk about!
@mofojackson
@mofojackson Жыл бұрын
I just realized it's from Discovery likely Meyers network which is awesome hehe 🙂
@jesterflint9404
@jesterflint9404 Жыл бұрын
The number of dislikes and the lack of reasoning for dislikes in the comments show that these facts are hard to counter.
@rpennybrown
@rpennybrown 2 жыл бұрын
"The wrong kind of energy will destroy life." Life hadn't been existing at this point anyway, right? How about "The wrong kind of energy will destroy the components needed for life."? Enjoyed the video very much!
@MrLaughingod
@MrLaughingod 2 жыл бұрын
Wow these content needs to go viral.
@charlietheteacher7795
@charlietheteacher7795 Жыл бұрын
All of these videos are shown in my biology and chemistry classes. Also, I wish I was a fly on the wall when Jon Perry from Stated Clearly watches these.... :)
@artijaiswal1274
@artijaiswal1274 2 жыл бұрын
👌👌thank you discovery team for bringing up this amazing series...god bless all...
@emilyreeves8710
@emilyreeves8710 2 жыл бұрын
This video simply and clearly explains the challenge to origin of life for harnessing energy. Love the analogy of grilling the cell phone. It demonstrates the need for precise energy coupling.
@kfgabriele9852
@kfgabriele9852 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are so fantastic! Much better, vastly more accurate and factual, than all the half-baked nonsense taught in basic chemistry and biology classes (in highschool as well as college). Thank you! This channel is an absolute blessing!
@tiffanymagee2700
@tiffanymagee2700 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Thank you for this excellent presentation!!
@Nicolas-gl7mk
@Nicolas-gl7mk 2 жыл бұрын
It should produce amazement!! As much for the brilliant complexity it unveils as for the fact some are still holding to theories that have now gone fossilized.
@praxitelispraxitelous7061
@praxitelispraxitelous7061 2 жыл бұрын
I literally love these videos. Thank you all guys and keep up the very good job. 💐 Thank you for keeping reminding us that the emperor is naked by the way
@briancurry9493
@briancurry9493 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos, please keep making more.
@jim7634
@jim7634 2 жыл бұрын
The more we learn the farther away our understanding becomes. We are however learning what is needed and it shows us how clueless we really are. hubris pushed out
@michaelklick2088
@michaelklick2088 2 жыл бұрын
I love these! Perfect mix of science and humor to keep the watcher engaged. But I do not who is doing. Can we get a bio on him?
@juaniravaioli
@juaniravaioli 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, guys! So clear, funny, and entertaining. Big fan!
@poliincredible770
@poliincredible770 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos, keep up the awesomeness!
@ambrosianapier7545
@ambrosianapier7545 2 жыл бұрын
I was excited to another one of these videos to come out. I love the art style and how well it’s all explained, the visuals help a lot. Thanks!
@markchampneys
@markchampneys 2 жыл бұрын
Fabulous job. The video I wish I had made. Great content, and fun to watch.
@stephenkaake7016
@stephenkaake7016 Жыл бұрын
a 'well designed' video that everyone should see
@jimborowy8160
@jimborowy8160 2 жыл бұрын
Great job!
@KenJackson_US
@KenJackson_US 2 жыл бұрын
7:17 _"You need it before you can have it, and you can't make it until you've already made it."_ EXCELLENT! That captures the problem not only with abiogenesis but with microbe-to-man evolution too.
@thomasbardoux1692
@thomasbardoux1692 2 жыл бұрын
That's entirely incorrect
@jakejones3453
@jakejones3453 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasbardoux1692 are you going to explain or just sit there and hit the no button?
@BibleResearchTools
@BibleResearchTools 2 жыл бұрын
Thomas Bardoux wrote, "That's entirely incorrect." How so, Thomas? Dan
@samuellowekey9271
@samuellowekey9271 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasbardoux1692 Is that it? You reply to the comment with the most likes with, no it isn't? Aren't you going to show how the ATP Sythase motor evolved? Won't you show how this complex interconnected and interdependent energy harnessing system arose in nature?
@petergostelow
@petergostelow 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasbardoux1692 "That's entirely incorrect" What a wonderfully detailed refutation to the info provided. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy?
@gofish721
@gofish721 2 жыл бұрын
Highly entertaining, information packed, and lays out the paradoxes of natural origins that have to be answered (without hand waving of course). Can't wait until the next one!!!
@cliveandersonjr.8758
@cliveandersonjr.8758 Жыл бұрын
These videos are absolutely amazing! Great job! 🔥🔥🔥
@timstanley8201
@timstanley8201 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are fantastic, - EVERY TIME! So thorough, and wonderfully humourous
@rosezingleman5007
@rosezingleman5007 2 жыл бұрын
Very well done. Excellent.
@brycew2
@brycew2 2 жыл бұрын
I love the animation, it makes me laugh. Thanks for whatbyou do.
@ciarannagle1
@ciarannagle1 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are absolutely superb. You have achieved something that I've been wanting to see for years. You've taken James Tour's erudition and insight and put it in a format accessible to all. The wit and spontaneity alone is a delight, but married to the science it's utterly compelling. These videos should be watched by every science class in the world - and their teachers and professors. Good luck guys, I hope you've started something big.
@cptrikester2671
@cptrikester2671 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@refuse2bdcvd324
@refuse2bdcvd324 10 ай бұрын
Great information. Very accurate and entertaining!
@thenkdshorts9485
@thenkdshorts9485 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are brilliant. Just the right combo of info and hilarity, and important topics. Bravo!
@Matthew515tweet
@Matthew515tweet 2 жыл бұрын
Yet another brilliant episode in this series 👏
@greybear3
@greybear3 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative and well presented, compelling evidence for the honest knowledge seeker.
@MyMy-tv7fd
@MyMy-tv7fd 2 жыл бұрын
good, but how about chiral-induced spin selectivity (CISS, Naaman et al) in living cells? The few amino acids produced by Miller-Urey sparking experiments were a super-low yield racemic mess - no useful peptides or proteins can be produced this way in glassware or even in a pre-existing living cell. The cellular problem of stripping electrons and controlling them relies to power ATP synthase, only using pure LEFT HANDED amino acids in all proteins to achieve the electron spin selectivity. Origin of life research is bogus and sad, it was a ex-parrot from then till now - fumaroles and pH are a tiny part of it. I look forward to your animations of this one.
@janwaska4081
@janwaska4081 2 жыл бұрын
C'est magnifique!
@steadfastneasy26
@steadfastneasy26 Жыл бұрын
@Discovery Science Aside from the great info in your videos, I have to say that your animations and good humor are really, really fun. Hats off and kudos to the teams involved!!
@mayorofq
@mayorofq 2 жыл бұрын
This introduced me to Dr. Nick Lane, who seems like a brilliant guy.
@cedriceric9730
@cedriceric9730 2 жыл бұрын
man i love these😂
@truenorth0457
@truenorth0457 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE these videos. Great work friend. How can you be supported?
@DiscoveryScienceChannel
@DiscoveryScienceChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for asking! Donations can be made here, which will help us to produce more videos: www.discovery.org/beaproducer/
@wiltonpt1
@wiltonpt1 2 жыл бұрын
Never thought biology gone rogue and further explained could spark laughs - bio comedies ???
@ErikBiskopst
@ErikBiskopst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this GREAT content! :)
@mouhabrizkallah210
@mouhabrizkallah210 2 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal Video - The Chicken vs Egg question exists at the nano-scale. It screams Design, Design, Design!.....to anyone looking for truth in the Randomness vs Designer question.
@christophermonteith2774
@christophermonteith2774 Жыл бұрын
It really doesn't, depending on what you expect from design. If the goal is simple but efficient, then it points against it by a long shot, unless you go to the very early super simple creatures that far predate any form of life from the last few million years, heck possibly billion. If it's a case of highly cumbersome and filled with useless junk, then yes, it would look like design in such a case
@mitchharpur
@mitchharpur 2 жыл бұрын
Really exceptional content. Thank you so much for all the effort.
@dokidokibibleclub
@dokidokibibleclub 2 жыл бұрын
Somewhere an evo is grilling his phone right now to prove you wrong
@Draezeth
@Draezeth 2 жыл бұрын
Liking this just for your username
@BibleResearchTools
@BibleResearchTools 2 жыл бұрын
This is the full Nick Lane quote (mentioned at about the 5:18 mark): _"This huge electrical potential, known as the _*_proton-motive force, drives the most impressive protein nanomachine of them all, the ATP synthase._*_ Motive implies motion and the ATP synthase is indeed a rotary motor, in which the flow of protons turns a crank shaft, which in turn rotates a catalytic head. These mechanical forces drive the synthesis of ATP. The protein works like a hydroelectric turbine, whereby protons, pent up in a reservoir behind the barrier of the membrane, flood through the turbine like water cascading downhill, turning the rotating motor. _*_This is barely poetic licence but a precise description, yet it is hard to convey the astonishing complexity of this protein motor. We still don't know exactly how it works_*_ - how each proton binds on to the C-ring within the membrane, how electrostatic interactions spin this ring in one direction only, how the spinning ring twists the crank shaft, forcing conformational changes in the catalytic head, how the clefts that open and close in this head clasp ADP and Pi and force them together in mechanical union, to press a new ATP. _*_This is precision nanoengineering of the highest order, a magical device, and the more we learn about it the more marvellous it becomes._*_ Some see in it proof for the existence of God. I don 't. _*_I see the wonder of natural selection._*_ But it is undoubtedly a wondrous machine." [Nick Lane, "The Vital Question: Energy, Evolution, and the Origins of Complex Life." W. W. Norton & Company, 2015, Chap.2]_ As you can see, evolutionists have simply substituted magic for God, but under the banners of "natural selection" and "time." Evolutionists constantly whine about creationists pleading to the supernatural, but the driving force of evolution is based on the supernatural. Hypocrites. Dan
@RodMartinJr
@RodMartinJr Жыл бұрын
Very nicely done!
@khufu8699
@khufu8699 Жыл бұрын
So basically the proton gradient gates are great example of Maxwell's Demons.
@ozone2126
@ozone2126 Жыл бұрын
Nice video
@UAM-
@UAM- 2 жыл бұрын
This are amazing videos keep it up the were-monkey story people are triggered
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@helenel4126
@helenel4126 Жыл бұрын
I'd read in a number of bioscience books about black and white smokers. Those books all stated - as a matter of *fact* (trying to indicate emphasis here without italics) that primitive forms of life began around these underwater, high-pressure vents. Thanks for showing the flaws in their unfounded claims.
@bartbattista6295
@bartbattista6295 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@joelebert9767
@joelebert9767 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@theLECox
@theLECox 2 жыл бұрын
...And what created the hydrothermal vents?
@alok1
@alok1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice 👍
@dantheman909
@dantheman909 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always!
@Ab-abovetheFirmament
@Ab-abovetheFirmament 2 жыл бұрын
Thank ypu for this video. I bet Prof. Dave is biting his nails over this video.
@Bane_questionmark
@Bane_questionmark 2 жыл бұрын
I know Discovery Science is more focused on origin of life issues and isn't necessarily against the "tree of life" (though individuals involved seem free to come to their own conclusions which I respect), but I would enjoy you doing a video looking at taxonomy/cladistics. The more I read about it the more it seems like a pseudoscience. Evolution from common descent is assumed to even start making taxonomic trees, and these trees are then used as support for evolution. Seeing this finally made me realize clearly a problem I think I've had implicitly with evolution for a while: it's unfalsifiable. There is no experiment or observation that could even theoretically disprove evolution in a strictly logical way. All data (zoological, paleontological, genetic etc.) is simply interpreted with the assumption of evolution. The model originally came about not as the logical result of experimental data, but as an inference from observation. Ultimately I think it's fair to say that this model is on the level of a spiritual/philosophical worldview. Having a basic worldview through which you understand everything else isn't necessarily wrong, people subscribing to plenty of religions, spiritual beliefs, and philosophies do it myself included. The issue however is when you don't acknowledge that you're filtering all evidence through this per-conceived worldview, they end up treating their beliefs as "science" and acting like the burden of proof is on everyone else to disprove their unfalsifiable worldview.
@petergostelow
@petergostelow 2 жыл бұрын
"There is no experiment or observation that could even theoretically disprove evolution in a strictly logical way." How about this: 1) The Coelacanth fossil is dated about 400m+ years old. It should have evolved or gone extinct by now. 2) Living specimen are found around the world, first identified in South Africa, 1938. 3) For the species to still exist, counting a single pair reproducing twice in each generation, adds up to more than 2 billion times. That amount of (experimental) reproduction is more than enough to conclude no evolution took place, nor would it. While we were not around for the 400+ million years, the existence of the fish as substantially identical to the fossil, leaves four possibilities: A) The fish never evolved and therefore cannot. B) The fish never evolved because the time between the fossil and now is too short because the dating is wrong. C) The fish did evolve into another species and another species evolved back to the fish. D) The fish is not the same as the fossil although it appears identical. Probably because of C) The simplest solution is A) because the weight of evidence confirms the conclusion. B) Does not help the evolution advocates because to brings into question the dating methods and the age of the Universe, although it explains why the fish has 'not yet' evolved. C) This should be acceptable to evolutionists, but it breaks the tree of life narrative because suddenly branches disappear from one species only to re-appear from another. D) This is also unacceptable to evolutionists because it denies the connection between fossils and the creatures they're supposed to represent. We have another more exact science. It applies to random mutation of DNA molecules. The hypothesis is that the 3 billion DNA pairs can be randomly altered from one generation to the next that will eventually result in one specie evolving into others. To simplify the problem, represent the DNA sequence as the sentence: The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog The evolutionists claim, through random mutation, you can replace any one or more random letters in the above sentence and get the following sentence: She sells sea shells on the sea shore Where every letter change results in a well formed and semantically correct sentence (the missing links between the two sentences), until you arrive at the final one. The problem with this is well defined in information theory: random mutation lacks the expressive power to change the DNA semantically. To make the changes semantically correct, you have to change words within the sentence structure and that requires intelligence, an understanding of the language. The other problem is: The presence of the DNA confirms the existence of intelligence, or a mind, external to the Universe. Information is not physical because: 1- It is not matter 2- takes no time 3- uses no energy 4- occupies no space and therefore the DNA *information* could not be formed by the universe itself. The conclusion is that the Coelacanth did not evolve because the program (DNA) did not change, nor can it. Since the DNA is the same for all species, they also do not evolve because their DNA won't change either.
@marcgeh5465
@marcgeh5465 2 жыл бұрын
The channel actually has some videos addressing this issue, for instance the series about whale evolution.
@imamjimjamlawrence
@imamjimjamlawrence 2 жыл бұрын
You nailed it OP. It's "scientism", instead of actual science.
@anomalocaris9069
@anomalocaris9069 2 жыл бұрын
"The model originally came about not as the logical result of experimental data, but as an inference from observation" Like every other model in science, how do you think we know the Sun isn't orbiting the Earth?
@Diviance
@Diviance 2 жыл бұрын
Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution, like all science, is falsifiable. Even though it may be near impossible to accomplish, it is theoretically possible. Taxonomy is the same. And your claims are nonsensical.
@tonyb8660
@tonyb8660 2 жыл бұрын
the charged up ATP is f'n hilarious
@iloveSUVs
@iloveSUVs 2 жыл бұрын
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." - Romans 1:20
@AndrewK997
@AndrewK997 Жыл бұрын
Nice point 💕 🫂
@aymaniq7236
@aymaniq7236 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that you will make more videos, and most importantly, that you publish and have strong media in order to have wide resonance in the world and the United States of America, and that you spend more in the media, and that you publish your arguments in front of the Darwinian lobby.
@DevonPhoenix
@DevonPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
Good
@philroe2363
@philroe2363 2 жыл бұрын
Believing that life came about by random chance is pure religious belief . . . with literally no scientific or mathematical justification whatsoever.
@cptrikester2671
@cptrikester2671 2 жыл бұрын
Try telling an evolutionist that they are operating on belief and faith. The fact that they will reject that statement says a lot about their understanding of themselves.
@tieferforschen
@tieferforschen 2 жыл бұрын
I think "ideology" fits better here.
@timothykeith1367
@timothykeith1367 2 жыл бұрын
Where did random chance come from? And why does anyone think that anything good can come from a random event?
@christophermonteith2774
@christophermonteith2774 Жыл бұрын
None at all is inaccurate, insufficient could be accurate
@revelationtrain7518
@revelationtrain7518 Жыл бұрын
Thanks bro
@JR-nh7fc
@JR-nh7fc 2 жыл бұрын
If we can't explain something how does that lead to the logical conclusion that it can't never be explained?
@BibleResearchTools
@BibleResearchTools 2 жыл бұрын
J R wrote, "If we can't explain something how does that lead to the logical conclusion that it can't never be explained?" Everything can be explained, but life and the origin of the universe cannot be explained by materialistic processes. Dan
@JuanRodriguez-jn7zx
@JuanRodriguez-jn7zx 2 жыл бұрын
Sería exelente tener estos vídeos en español.
@hurrikanehavok7313
@hurrikanehavok7313 2 жыл бұрын
Genius! GeNiUs! GENIUS!
@JR-nh7fc
@JR-nh7fc 2 жыл бұрын
"I personally don't believe that ATP synthase could have originated naturally, therefore abiogenesis is false" it's the designer of the gaps
@NJ-ju8fr
@NJ-ju8fr 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you're saying there's no gap so amazing that it provides evidence of a designer. But in daily life you would contradict yourself. Eg. Find stone heads in easter island, conclude a designer was there. Find a crop circle, wonder which joker did it.
@shanecreamer6889
@shanecreamer6889 2 жыл бұрын
If you watch the whole video, and look at the quoted sources at the end of the video, it makes it clear that methanogens , and other suggested pre-ATP energy sources actually make the problem worse not better. Abiogenesis has been a data free discipline now for over 70 years. They cannot make the building blocks due to chirality issues, they cannot assemble the building blocks without running into energy & homeostasis issues. Carefully controlled laboratory conditions with 100% purity solutions and chemical reactions being carefully coddled by intelligent scientific is the very definition of Intelligent Design. In the realm of science when your scientific model has more objections and gets harder to overcome those objections, that is an excellent indicator that your model is false. Abiogenesis is a failed model, for the last 70 years it only runs into more problems instead of solutions. When scientists claim "we'll solve it one day!" is a Faith Based Statement - So this is actually "Abiogenesis of the gaps". An appeal to a philosophical belief of Materialism in the face or more and more data showing the objections are increasing not decreasing.
@johncena12366
@johncena12366 10 ай бұрын
Yeah but the gap just widens. I doubt we will ever find how life started.
@Pyr0Ben
@Pyr0Ben 3 ай бұрын
"We don't know how ATP synthase could've possibly organized itself but we know it happened" is evolution of the gaps
@issouamine217
@issouamine217 2 жыл бұрын
Wow.... Juste excellent review and just wow.... Check mate i guess even without further details... In a cartoonish way...OOL is just beyond materialistic naturalism philosophers..
@JonathanOelkers
@JonathanOelkers 2 жыл бұрын
This is incredibly well done as always!
@richardbristol452
@richardbristol452 2 жыл бұрын
These wonderful videos present complex information in an entertaining and understandable way that downright delightful. This is exactly what is needed today.
@nobody-tw3zs
@nobody-tw3zs Жыл бұрын
Nice
@supremeownage8995
@supremeownage8995 2 жыл бұрын
I do enjoy these sorts of science videos, attempting to explain science in a fun and happy way, but slightly incorrectly to further a specfic world view. I especially enjoy it when you're mentioning a part of science which you clearly don't agree with, your voice is laced with such subtile sarcasm, it's delicious. So essentially this video is only really good material for other, more knowledgable people to pick apart, demonstrate clearly and scientifically exactly where you've gone wrong, and further our understanding. Or to be consumed by someone that shares this worldview, who doesn't have the education to understand where you've gone wrong. They get to nod, and enjoy that warm feeling inside that they're right. In a nutshell though, you can't just take what we understand about modern life and slap that on super early life. It almost certainly looks completely different way back then, which is why there is still a big hole in our understanding of the beginnings of life on our world.
@Greenie-43x
@Greenie-43x 2 жыл бұрын
What was the system that pumps protons called again❓️
@AhirZamanSairi
@AhirZamanSairi 2 жыл бұрын
Unless some materialist origin-of-life/evolution nut, can actually refute these points, going reference by reference, honestly, clearly, and without any attempts of gaslighting against the provided FACTS, all their arguments are dead in the water before they even start.
@BiigTitties
@BiigTitties 2 жыл бұрын
What am I suppose to do with all these jars after this video?
@robertseavor4304
@robertseavor4304 2 жыл бұрын
This series should be mandatory viewing in schools.
@Btw_visit_____todacarne-com
@Btw_visit_____todacarne-com 2 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks.
@ADF366
@ADF366 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@lisaanne2802
@lisaanne2802 2 жыл бұрын
Home schooling, love it.
@desseldrayce5248
@desseldrayce5248 2 жыл бұрын
Challenge accepted!
@chaotickreg7024
@chaotickreg7024 2 жыл бұрын
Did you forget about lightning?
@tonymak9213
@tonymak9213 Жыл бұрын
Nope, how many times did the video state that the charge has to be the correct type in order to be of use. Bit of overkill for a lightening bolt to strike something smaller than a simple cell I would think.
@IntoAllTruth.
@IntoAllTruth. 2 жыл бұрын
God so exquisitely designed life that no other explanation is possible.
@christophermonteith2774
@christophermonteith2774 Жыл бұрын
Name a single solitary perfect aspect of life whatsoever before making such a claim. Heck, start by proving this gid even exists to do it, or that it was designed at all
@johncena12366
@johncena12366 10 ай бұрын
Okay but "how" did he deisgn? There should be some chemical processes that we can replicate in the lab.
@VicCrisson
@VicCrisson Жыл бұрын
Commenting for algorithm
@dalemyers9045
@dalemyers9045 2 жыл бұрын
So I enjoyed the video but you are making lots of assumptions and sparsely linking some concepts to make your point. It's some flawed logic in more than one location. If I had more free time to debate this I would. I'm not wimping out but I have a business to run. I studied applied biology and engineering so I'm more than surface level familiar. Perhaps I'll make some time to engage. I do appreciate healthy discourse.
@matthewportermdfaafp1209
@matthewportermdfaafp1209 2 жыл бұрын
Please reply. If you can disprove one of the author's points, they would be more than willing to amend the video and me, my belief
@DolioFoilio
@DolioFoilio Жыл бұрын
Why so many dislikes? 2.7K Likes to 1.3 Dislikes... :(
@waofactor.graphic
@waofactor.graphic 2 жыл бұрын
Une thing is missing, information. Where are the build instructions?
@ltSJamesYT
@ltSJamesYT 2 жыл бұрын
The information problem will be addressed in a future animation. Subscribe to be notified.
@UnicornarusRex
@UnicornarusRex 2 жыл бұрын
If there is any honest serious person who still believes in materialistic evolution as the origin of all living beings, I would recommend to visit a library and check out some of the molecular biology, cell biology or biochemistry textbooks for university level and think carefully about what you are seeing.
@Diviance
@Diviance 2 жыл бұрын
And yet, it IS the origin of life. There is literally no other viable alternative to it.
@AndrewK997
@AndrewK997 2 жыл бұрын
A famous physicist said the same thing about complexity of life and it's this : "Zichichi argues that all forms of life have characteristics of irreducible complexity, that is, elements of complexity that must come into existence simultaneously and in an immediately perfect form, in order for the organism or a part of it to exist." Physicist Antonino Zichichi
@Diviance
@Diviance 2 жыл бұрын
Zichichi was demonstrably wrong.
@TheQue5tion
@TheQue5tion 2 жыл бұрын
Why would you trust the word of a physicist over a biologist? That's like getting advice about neurosurgery from a car mechanic.
@anomalocaris9069
@anomalocaris9069 2 жыл бұрын
So does the famous roman arch : move only one stone and the whole arch collapse, so the roman couldn't have build it stone by stone, all the stone must have come into existence simultaneously and in an immediately perfect form for the arch to exist...
@AndrewK997
@AndrewK997 Жыл бұрын
@@Diviance isnt what the Atp synthase Is based on? There no time for gradually develop It must come into existence contemporanely and in a perfect form.
@AndrewK997
@AndrewK997 Жыл бұрын
@@TheQue5tion I just mentioned that due to the fact ATP synthase as the video explain must come into existence simoultanesly and in a perfect form lefting no time for gradually develop
@AndrewK997
@AndrewK997 2 жыл бұрын
ATP synthases it's something truly complex and fascinating. Life it's really unique and special and it's bizarre to affirm we are fruit of chaos. Thank you this channel is wonderful and I like the way this video explains everything in a easier way.
@calcovert3591
@calcovert3591 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely well done. Thank you for all your hard work to make highly complex science understandable.
@ronaldpokatiloff5704
@ronaldpokatiloff5704 2 жыл бұрын
Slow the dialog to .75, I use u-tube. It helps if you have the mind of a 5 year in Ramper Room.
@skakvac
@skakvac Жыл бұрын
amazing video
@ronaldswift2716
@ronaldswift2716 2 жыл бұрын
Your explanations are TOO COMPLEX for the NON SCIENTIST
@MarkWCorbett1
@MarkWCorbett1 2 жыл бұрын
Illuminating illustrations. Excellent explanations. Good graphics. I thank God for these videos and pray that He will bless them and use them to help many people. I also thank God for making the awesome energy harnessing and management systems in every one of my approximately 37 trillion cells! God is so great!!!
@jim7634
@jim7634 2 жыл бұрын
So may interrelated requirements makes this all seem totally impossible. Dare anyone postulate creation, or is that not allowed. It seems to be a perfect explanation yet so rejected by the vast majority seeking answers.
@christophermonteith2774
@christophermonteith2774 Жыл бұрын
Requirements are far less of an issue in comparison to assumptions, like a god existing, life being created or designed, the supernatural existing, and so on
@geobla6600
@geobla6600 2 жыл бұрын
It's quite a conundrum when the testable scientific research shows you require a group of the most complex molecular machines first which require large amounts of information and the ability to make a group of less complex but specific molecular machines to work together to create the simplest of living organisms.
@Diviance
@Diviance 2 жыл бұрын
Then good thing that isn't at all the case.
@TheQue5tion
@TheQue5tion 2 жыл бұрын
But if complex life "needed" a creator, then that creates another conundrum. For surely such a creator would then be even more complex. Thus meaning that this creator had to have been created.
@laosi4278
@laosi4278 Жыл бұрын
@@TheQue5tion The question of who/what created The Creator already answered by mant religious philosphers since ancient time, you can just check in internet or something. And also accepting evolution idea only for benefit to evade the question is kind of intellectual laziness for me
@tonymak9213
@tonymak9213 Жыл бұрын
An answer to the question. Who or what created life ? I believe we must accept that we are simple beings,that know very little, in comparison to the creator of life. Consider the knowledge of a mathematics teacher attempting to explain algebra to a worm or ant. I believe that's not even a close comparison. I often think of the medical profession of a few hundred years ago, compared with now, and still the medics struggle with the workings and some problems of body malfunctions. Once you begin to realise just how complex the body is, it becomes obvious that it has not been built on random chance. And we are not the super intelligent beings we like to think we are, there is much to know, too much to learn in a lifetime, clearly too much for a thousand lifetimes.
@thomasbardoux1692
@thomasbardoux1692 2 жыл бұрын
A cell requires L^3 kcal of energy. The sun produces 3.8 x 10^26 watts per second. The answer is simple: Yes, there's enough energy for life to be naturally kickstarted.
@BillHirsch1417
@BillHirsch1417 2 жыл бұрын
But that’s not what the argument is here. The argument is without these molecular machines theres no way to harness that energy. My phone requires a small amount of energy, a nuclear power plant supplies an enormous amount of energy - but i cant just throw my phone in a smoke stack and hope it will charge. I need a way to pass the energy from the power plant into my phone in a manner my phone could use
@robstadler927
@robstadler927 2 жыл бұрын
Like the video says, there is plenty of raw energy out there, but life is rather picky. How exactly do you propose that the raw energy from the sun will only produce the exact molecular bonds that life needs, will not break the bonds that are necessary for life, and will not produce any molecules that are detrimental to life?
@thomasbardoux1692
@thomasbardoux1692 2 жыл бұрын
@@robstadler927 The sun does break down such bonds and produce detrimental molecules, this phenomenom still happens daily today. As so, only a fraction of such cells would survive, which is enough.
@Diviance
@Diviance 2 жыл бұрын
@@BillHirsch1417 Except, there are ways. Irreducible complexity, which this is espousing, has been LONG debunked. Sure, it can't harness it the way it does NOW... but there are other ways. And that is one of the primary problems with irreducible complexity and why it has always been pseudoscience. It is trying to argue from the way things are NOW rather than the way things would have been in the time period they are talking about. Irreducible complexity is akin to arguing that computers can't exist, on a computer, because you need modern equipment to build a modern computer.
@tonymak9213
@tonymak9213 Жыл бұрын
@Diviance......where exactly has irreducible complexity been debunked ? And who has actually come up with a credible theory of how life started ?
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