for anyone interested in the rest of the hidden meanings in velvet and veneer's songs, I have a video for y'all kzfaq.info-OvIf7rAT64 some of you wanted a velvet and veneer analysis vid, and while I'll get to work on a proper one sometime, I hope this suffices for now!

velvet and veneer are the ONLY characters i’ve seen ACTUALLY be hip with the recent generation without being incredibly cringe and silly asf

i love how we live in a world where adam sandler lizard movie and the THIRD trolls movie are both genuinely better pieces of art than disneys 100th anniversary movie

I feel like that of all the DreamWorks couples I've seen, Poppy and Branch are the most realistic. While most couples pull a 180 within a few scenes, Poppy and Branch go through various stages throughout each film. It might not be ideal, but its kind of refreshing to see a couple develop over time.

Veneer going to jail willingly really works for me. He’s CHOOSING to take accountability for what he did and does it with a smile. A genuine smile. Not an evil smirk, not a nervous grin, a genuinely happy smile. I really hope he actually gets a redemption arc at some point even if there’s no Trolls 4-

I have a theory/headcanon, if Velvet wanted to be famous she would’ve done it without Veener but included him anyway because she secretly does care about him but she was STILL manipulative to him which I won’t deny that

10:48 I love how he’s still portrayed as attractive with a bigger figure (dad bod). And they don’t treat him like he’s failed because of it. He has a wife and kids. And he’s doing really well for himself. Also they still have him as a heart throb- I really appreciated that

The fact Trolls 3 from the TROLLS franchise had better villains and probably succeed in the box office than Wish DISNEYS 100 YEAR CELEBRATION 💀💀 which says something 👁️

It's funny how the Trolls movie's humor grew with it's audience. I watched it in theaters with my older sister and her 5 year old kid. (Mostly cuz I watched the first one when I was a kid, the second one when I was a teen, and so of course I have to watch the third one) It was really enjoyable to watch because they added a good amount of adult jokes. My favorite being "I didn't think we'd both be tied up on our honeymoon, Grissy"

I think Velvet and Veneer are probably two of the best examples of perfect writing, casting, production, and MUSIC in an animated movie

Branch’s arc throughout these movies is truly astonishing. He went from being a grumpy, paranoid, sarcastic, traumatised hermit to a brave, kind, cute, caring sweetheart. I’ll be honest. He’s the main reason why I’ve stuck around with this franchise for so long.

“This Video is a thin-veiled excuse to talk about Velvet and Venner” THATS WHAT I WANTED TO SEE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT!!! It’s a wonderful excuse indeed.

Having just watched Trolls Band Together with my younger sister, it was surprising how much I felt the villains sibling dynamic as flawed as it is. Me and my sister have a great relationship, unlike the villains, but we still felt the "siblingness" between them.

The first trolls movie kinda feels like a representation of when “Mental health awareness!!! Be positive!” People get disgusted by depressed people for not showering.

I have a personal theory as to why Branch's colors get desaturated again in the second film. Maybe that bright blue and green *wasn't* actually his "true colors", and instead that's just what he looks like when ABSURDLY positive (like how the others get desaturated when absurdly depressed) and due to him being more naturally pessimistic, the more muted tones are his real true colors.

One thing I appreciate about Velvet and Veneer is that they feel like actual siblings. Idk, sibling dynamics are always hit or miss. And these two hit the mark.

As an OG trolls fan for 7 years, I can say that this franchise is getting better and better each year. Band Together was an amazing film and probably one of my favorite animated movies ever. I just love the way the writers use Poppy and Branch's relationship dynamics. They're just so good together. And idk why their flirting gives me so much comfort for no reason Every single character in the 3rd movie is very likable and the soundtrack did not need to go THIS HARD. Also Velvet and Veneer are incredible to me

It’s subtle but I love Branch and Poppy’s little slow burn romance throughout the 3 movies (plus the 2 specials) First movie they’re somewhat rivals who learn to understand each other Christmas special they’re friends Second movie they’re best friends with a mutual pinning for each other Second Christmas special there’s hints that they’re more than just friends (with Poppy kissing Branch on the cheek by the end) Third movie they are an official couple with them sharing the big kiss at the end and even teasing the possibility of them getting married Though it’s not the main focus of the franchise, I find their subtle blooming romance of enemies to friends to lovers very sweet

I love if viva and branch had a talk about the abandonment issues that they both it wouldn’t make the movie so much more emotional

I’m not even gonna lie, Band Together has my entire personality in a choke hold right now. I’ve been so insanely obsessed with the movie. I’ve always really enjoyed trolls, but not enough to watch videos and funny moment compilations about it. This franchise has a long road ahead of it, and I’m excited to be along for the ride!

Saw Band Together with my kid and couldn't stop thinking about Velvet and Veneer. What a interesting relationship dynamic in a kids movie. Velvet is basically addicted to using trolls (yes obviously a drug to them) and pushes her brother to follow. He does it too, even though he's not that comfortable about it, because he loves her. Then she pulls them both down. I would watch another video about them if you made it and you perfectly summed up the movies.

I genuinely wish they did more with Viva or saved her for a different story tbh I had the impression that this was gonna be Branch’s movie so Viva just coming it felt a bit weird for me The movie felt a bit cramped for me but I won’t lie that I enjoyed Viva and Poppy’s adorable dynamic Me and my best friend are basically a mix of them and Velvet n Veneer I also wanna point out how the third movie just shows the standard ppl should be having when it comes to romantic relationships Ik it’s not the main part of the movie but the amount of healthy couples in this film is amazing That scene where Poppy talks with Branch after he walks out to save Floyd on his own still makes me tear up and her and Branch’s new rls is just rly fun to watch (their constant flirting gives me sm serotonin) Bruce’s relationship with his wife Brandy is just rly sweet since you can tell they still have that spark even when they have kids and work (altho I have many questions abt how they even had kids) and Bridget and Gristle are so disgustingly in love with eachother I feel a bit weird watching them 💀 The writers in this movie basically just said “GET YOURSELF A PERSON LIKE THIS”

I love how Branch is desaturated in the rest of the movies. As if to say "recovering from depression is a long process and he'll gradually get his colors back"

1:24 correction she strangles that one guy and you can see branch smile about it. Sidenote: she was genuinely trying to strangle him and not just choke him like branch was doing.

You’re literally the only person who really gets Velvet and Vaneer’s dynamic and why it’s good to allow redemption villains to have consequences for their actions.

No shade but I think it's HILARIOUS that we've been waiting for you to come back and your return is on TROLLS. Nice to see ya dude!

One thing I really liked about the third one is how natural the songs flow. I found myself being quickly bored by pop songs after pop songs in the first one, the second being centered on the various music genre goes more smoothly but the third just goes HARD. Brozone's Back using three songs (Candy Girl by New Edition, I Want You Back by *NSYNC and Bee Gees Stayin' Alive) was amazing and I'm glad it's not the only songs being mixed this way!

what i absolutely love about the trolls series is branch's entire character arc. a lot of people didn't really like how his colors dulled after the first movie, but i think it's a great (but subtle?) portrayal of how trauma (from his grandma's death, and his brothers abandoning him) never really going away. it gets better over time, but the grief and the hurt are still there. i think its a great way for parents/guardian figures to talk about emotional burdens with their children. it's not always as visually obvious like branch with his dull colors, but everyone carries a different kind of baggage which is why it's so important to be kind!

One thing I noticed in the third movie is that Branche's colors noticeably saturate and desaturate depending on how he's feeling and the Bergens noticeably gained more saturation compared to how desaturated they were in the previous films.

whoever came up with Velvet and Veneer needs a raise over at DreamWorks because they were done perfectly

To Me, The Entire Trolls Franchise Is summed up as “Don’t Judge A Book By Its Cover” Before my big sister first showed me the first movie, I thought it was just A Stupidly childish Toddler movie. But when I actually gave it A chance I realized how wrong my assumptions were. The trolls movies actually Touch on some serious topics like Depression, Isolation, Drug Use, Racism, Family Drama and more. Not to mention that I absolutely LOVE The Characters, the Art style, and the catchy songs. I can also relate to Branch A LOT As A Character. I know I’m 18 (Soon to be 19) But I don’t care if I get made fun of. I LOVE The Trolls Franchise! And I’m glad that I have A Fun Franchise to enjoy!

Bro the trolls franchise is so underrated. Tbh tho, band together is just amazing, especially Velvet and Vaneer

The thing is that Trolls humor is so dumb that is fun.

I don't see much people talk about trolls in a high light. Frankly I don't mind people liking it or disliking it. I just found it oddly refreshing to hear that there are people who full heartedly liked this movie franchise.

Velvet is a well written character when you realize that she even parallels her VA, who happens to be Amy Schumer 😭

*”Oh, and John Dory, because he never let their band days go still dresses in the exact same fashion. The only real difference is that he looks way hotter now!”* (You’re so real for saying that, because JD has become my 2023 animated character hyper-fixation. I literally dedicated my social medias to him, hehe)

I love how relatable Poppy and Branch's relationship is. Everything is fine and dandy at first, but they start to fight because they have this idea of how perfect they are. They both are scared to admit what's wrong until they have one big blow-up fight. They think the world is over until they both realize everyone fights and nothing is perfect.

I really do like Velvet and Veneer, and I hope we do eventually see more of them even if its a cameo in the inevtiable Trolls 4. I like how instead of giving them some sad backstory they just went with a story of wanting to chase fame without putting in the work which feels like a realistic villain goals for a movie about singing. Velvet especially, everything about her character is so interesting. - The fact that she has a different singing and speaking VA (Amy Schumer speaking, Briana Mazzola singing), so her singing voice quite literally isn't her own voice (unliked Veneer who is voiced by Andrew Ranells who also did his songs). It adds a lot more to the scene where Veneer says that maybe they should just practice. - The fact that they quite literally sing a song about working for your talent/fame, without having done anything but steal talent themselves. - The line "All my talent, it doesn't grow on trees" is a direct reference to the fact that the pop trolls did come from trees. There's just so many details going into the character.

for me the end of trolls band togheter should also seen her secretary getting arrested or something similar cause like venner she also helped velvet even if she herself didnt participate, she is still an acomplish in the crime, so for me it would be great that in the end we could have gotten confirmation that her and venner were put on lesser sentances unlike velvet since velvet is pretty much the mastermind of the operation, though i gotta said i do love the trolls franchise for a long time, i saw the first one and just fell in love with the concept the second one just made me more happy cause more music styles also barbs style is so cool, and the third one just blow my mind

i think also something to be talked about is that the reason velvet specifically is such a good villain is because she has a motive that she has whole heartedly committed to. she wants to be famous so incredibly badly and you can see that desperation for her to maintain her status in the final scene at mount rageous. while her methods are obviously corrupt and abusive you can still grasp why shes doing it all which, on top of her demeanour, makes her likeable in a very fun and campy villain way.

Tbh Trolls is my comfort franchise. Sometimes I just wanna watch something loose with no deeper meaning just to forget about my problems for a while. And Trolls is a perfect example for it, I love this movie’s songs and general aesthetic. I also believe people are just being too harsh on it…

i feel like not enough people talk about how funny trolls is bc its actually really hilarious. like the first movie has branch being the straight guy to poppy, in the second movie you have barb being barb, and the third you have the dynamic between velvet and veneer. the comedy between the villians/antagonists and the protagonists in these movies feel naturally comedic without being like illuminations where they ONLY focus on comedy and not a real story. idk i just think the creators know how to balance their young/old audiences through the comedy

I personally love the villains in the newest one. Velvet and Veneer are so relatable. Veneer is also so gay coded and it makes me happy that he talks like a lot of my college friends talk like.

you have no idea how absolutely REFRESHING it is to se a youtuber that isn't so inherently cynical and hateful about the trolls films. it's genuinely a great series of movies that i feel alot of people hate just because its "for girls". i would totally watch that analysis on velvet and veneer if you do end up making it!

I just recently went to see this with my niece and nephews and I was blown away by how delightful Velvet and Vaneer were. I love a good dramatic villain. The deeper look into Branch’s life was a great storyline to begin with, but adding those two really blew the entertainment value out of the water

Velvet and Veneer are just so well written They have the best "sibling" feeling I have seen in a long time

The way Veneer looks genuinely concerned when Velvet yells "StAHp attACKING MeE" had me feeling bad for him

You have no idea how much I love the trolls movie. Broppy’s relationship is so damn cute and I love how he looks at her- I could probably rant about it for hours. The slow burn they have is so cute and I love how they help eachother with their weaknesses. I mean he even SANG to make her smile, I love how he is with her too

Trolls keep getting better and better!

I watched the first 2 movies, grew up and had no intention to watch the 3rd movie, but knowing how people actually like the third one makes me really want to see it, I am very excited for the *inevitable* 4th movie

“The only difference is he looks way hotter now” “Her pathetic gay yes-man” THE SCREAM I SCROMPT

It's insane how good DreamWorks has gotten at villains

I'd been avoiding watching the third movie because of the whole "lost sibling" trope I saw in the trailers. I thought I wouldn't like it. But then I saw this video in my recommendations and the title alone finally pushed me to watch it. And what a FOOL I was. I LOVE this franchise so much. I've rewatched Band Together three times in a row yesterday. I have no idea how they keep making it work. My favorite part has got to be Broppy. Their relationship is so healthy I wanna cry. I love your video and I'm glad I'm not alone in my little Trolls obsession.

Thank goodness there are those who love trolls , I've seen people wasting their time moaning about why they hate it for no reason whatsoever Honestly Trolls is at the peak of Dreamworks, they can make good stories with great characters and villains, unlike silly Disney

i cant stress enough how obsessed i am with velvet and veneer, i love them SO MUCH

5:08 yes thissss the second movie really added more to to the world of trolls but DEFINITELY added more nuance to poppy, bc in way way she could be seen as much of an antagonist as barb, Esp the time that this came out in 2020, the message stuck me even more. The last thing anybody (at least in the US where I reside) needed was to be divided as we were Also world tour went all out with the soundtrack, I still listen to the “other side” often 🥺❤️

As someone who doesn't like the first Trolls, I can sort of see the franchise progressively getting better with their storytelling. That and the fandom is starting to pick up pace with Brozone content before and after TBT. While it was out of nohwere and kinda stupid to randomly add brothers and a sister for Branch and Poppy respectively, I think it was kinda smart too since they gave the audience ideas on how their lives were like before they were separated. I'm not saying adding the variety of Trolls isn't a wise decision(kinda), but having family bonds makes it more relatable to see where their relationships were and will be after the events of the movie.

I saw one, ONE clip of Velvet and Veneer and was instantly obsessed with them

Ive always liked Trolls. Its a stupid kids movie that I had fun watching, guilty pleasure if you will. When Band Together came out, I wanted to watch it so bad, because I had heard it was really good, but I knew none of my friends would be caught dead watching those movies. But a couple days ago at 5 PM, I went in to watch the movie, and lemme tell you, it was one of the best experiences I had in my life. I had the whole theatre to myself, no one else was there, so I could enjoy to my hearts content, and I loved the story, characters, AND THE SONGS. I was singing along with the songs because no one else was there to hear. It was truly awesome :)

Trolls is one of the movies where, it’s no masterpiece, but you still had fun.

You know, that is true. The characters keep getting more and more creative.

I'm so glad to see someone talking about these movies with a more positive angle! I've been a big fan of the Trolls movies ever since they came out and I feel like they always get the short end of the stick because people watch them with the idea already instilled that they're going to be some stupid shallow kids movies, which isn't entirely wrong in all aspects to be fair, but I feel as though they do have some value in their stories, plus if you can't get behind the writing which is totally understandable, I think most people can agree that the animation and visuals are absolutely stunning and super creative in their use of different textures and materials!

*Me 2016:* I like branch more because he’s a boy! *Me 2023:* I like him because he has more of a personality

Man I remember seeing tons of trolls hate when it came out years ago. Insane seeing youtube reviewers talking well about it

As much as I'm neutral to the franchise, the third movie really impressed me. It's now listed in my top 10 favorite animated movies.

THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! Trolls is a guilty favorite of mine but ironically, the marketable aspects of the movie (its visual styles and design) hooks me back into it. Just the scrapbook feel of everything, especially in the 2nd movie, is beautiful and I love the character designs so much. It's cheesy, it's a movie to keep your kids quiet, but it's got a distinct visual appeal. I was just thinking about the second movie in regard to how they design their environments to the respective troll races. The worldbuilding is there! But the corporate oversight fumbles it!

Can we please talk about the fact that Spruce/Bruce has children WITH A FREAKING MUPPET

While I don't agree with every point my goodness is it a breath of fresh air to see Trolls is good videos. Great job

It's about time to recognize DreamWorks as the studio that knows how to create great sequels. With a few exceptions, they make the franchise way more interesting and many people consider them to be even better than the original movies.

I loved Trolls back in 2016 cuz I was like 7-8, thought Trolls 2 was ok but cringe and i was a little hater(2020 me was certainly an era..) and I have yet to watch the third movie but from what I’ve seen I’m already obsessed! Once you get passed the fact that it’s advertised to kids and some of the jokes are a bit cringe and kiddy, the stories are actually really decent, filled with some great moments, and give us great songs to vibe to! Whatever they come out with next for Trolls, I’ll be happy to watch!

im honestly so glad trolls is getting the recognition it deserves. I have been a huge fan of the films since the release of the first movie because i was so obsessed with the little original toys. i got severely bullied for being a fan of the movies in 6th to 8th grade. But now im glad people see the appeal!

Man, I think you're the only one I see saying good things about this franchise!

I only watched the 3rd troll movie because of velvet and veneer (i havent seen the second one), but the movie was so good, it actually made me a casual fan of the troll series 😂😂

I _LOVE_ this video!! I loved Trolls 3 when I expected to have only average interest in it like the last two, but this one captured me and I’ve been sucked into the Trolls fandom a little bit. I loved having a rundown about the three movies, the plots, and especially the characters!! Really enjoyed taking 15 mins to hear about how this franchise has progressed! So wonderful, thanks for the video! 😄

I'm a 39 year old male and I love these three films. There were a couple of things with Trolls: World Tour that I had an issue with though. The first is that Branch has black hair again after Cloud Guy narrates at the start of the film that he'd found his "true colours" at the end of the first film. They sort of seemed to have noted the criticism of this as he had black/purple hair in Band Together. The second was that in Branch's journey in the first film to rediscover happiness he'd always secretly loved Poppy and expressed his love for her when singing "True Colours" to her to return her to her natural colours, plus his as well. Throughout the second film however the subplot is that he can't find the courage to tell her that he loves her until the end when all of the Trolls reunite.

I am so obsessed with the new Trolls movie 😭 It's so good and I'm glad to see more people recognize that!

The I Want You Back drop made me cry real ass tears, how lucky are we to get movies that connect youth with great music and storytelling at the same time

this is the best video essay out there. these movies are amazing and everything with andrew rannells is my new hyperfix

Oh my word, I you was getting worried that something bad happened. Glad to see you are back and well!

For some reason, trolls talks about addiction in two of three movies, and the third one talks about racism.

The weirdest part is the second trolls cartoon Trollstopia is pretty good. The extended cast they made for the show works pretty well, They even included Rock troll and country troll they made for the show in the second christmas special. So I do think as long as they remember Trolls works best with big dumb emotions and people dealing with them, often through song and dance the franchise might still grow. Also I mostly just like Val and Holly. For some reason giving Poppy two BFFs that come from different backgrounds just does so much for her as a character since she can interact with people that aren't just sugar high happy people.

Velvet and Veneer were definitely inspired by Sharpay and Ryan Evan’s from High School Musical

Trolls really became something gold ✨️

i love branch so much i’ve been obsessed with the trolls since it first came out.

Trolls is a kid friendly high on life

I think its also fun how velvet and veneers names also reflect their purposes as villains. while theyre both finishes to different kinds of materials, you hear a lot more people talk about velvet and its a veyr popular texture when compared to veneer which, while very often used, less people on a general scale talk about it!

I respect the effort to find good in Trols, is so easy to hate on a franchise like this but you still find good and showed it to the world. Thank you

Trolls 3 is an absolute masterpiece

People have weirdly strong opinions about this franchise. Everyone thinks it's either a masterpiece or a piece of garbage. And I'm not really an exception to be honest. I wouldn't consider it the best movie franchise ever but I do legitimately like all three movies. As much as I enjoyed the latest movie I kind of want to talk about the first. Specifically one of the more common negative opinions people have about it, which is the idea that it promotes toxic positivity. Personally I just don't see why so many people think that. I feel like I can mostly contradict that argument with 3 simple questions. 1. Is Poppy a toxic person for not just leaving Branch alone? The idea that sad people can just decide to be happy is bad. Obviously the movie understands that. It's an idea that is presented by one of the villains near the start of the movie. But acting like Poppy is a bad person for trying to reach out and include someone feels like a way worse message than toxic positivity. Clearly Poppy doesn't know Branch's circumstances and doesn't really understand how to best help him through them. She's not a therapist and she can also be annoyingly peppy at times. But what a lot of people don't seem to understand is that annoying positivity is a completely different thing from toxic positivity. Someone's optimism can get on your nerves without it being toxic. Poppy has maybe a couple moments were her positivity can seem hurtful or toxic, but the character who personifies toxic positivity is Creek. presents the idea that the easiest way to deal with Branch is to simply ignore him as his sadness is his own fault. Is Poppy really a toxic person for refusing to do that? And while she isn't perfect I do think her attempts to reach out did have a positive effect on Branch. Joy from inside out represents toxic positivity because she acts like sadness is an inherently bad thing that should be suppressed. In comparison when Branch reveals his tragic backstory none of the Trolls tell him to just get over it or not think about it. Which brings me to my next point. 2. Did Branch just decide to be happy or did the events of the movie make him happier? Branch's sadness stems from his grandmother's death, but also from his isolation and the fact that no one takes him seriously. Over the course of the movie Branch starts to develop bonds with the other Trolls (mostly Poppy) and manages to interact with them as an equal. He also finally gets to feel appreciated and useful as one of the main problem solvers in the movie. Most importantly he talks about his grandmother's death, possibly for the first time since it happened. So basically he gains a support network, increased self esteem, and has the chance to finally talk about his trauma. It makes total sense that he would grow happier as a result. It's definitely a quick turnaround but Branch's character arc is like a speedrun version of real therapy. 3. What about the Bergens? This is the hardest point to contradict. The Bergens really do just decide to be happy on some level. To be fair though the Bergens are basically recovering drug addict's who are 2 decades sober. The lesson they learn is that they can be happy without abusing substances. It's kind of stupid that all it takes for them to realize this is a song and dance number but its mostly just stupid that none of them realized that on their own. The Bergens don't come off as depressed as a whole and 2 decades is a long time for withdrawal symptoms to last. If you did view the Bergens sadness as a legitimate portrayal of depression then you could make a good argument that that specific part of the movie is endorsing toxic positivity a little.

Trolls unironically has Spiderverse level animation, especially Trolls 2

Trolls would be the best modern DreamWorks property if it weren't for puss in boots releasing this year. I can respect a franchise knowing what to do with itself, especially THIS franchise. Happy surprises y'all, happy surprises

It is amazing how much the Trolls grew. The Netflix series is pretty good to check out as well 🖤💖

im so glad that trolls is getting better with each installment

This was honestly an amazing analysis, i've always loved these movies but i've never seen them be taken seriously like this! and it feels great to see someone make some really compelling points for the movie! what a great video, thank you so much for your hard work!!

i remember when the first movie of the trolls franchise came out. I was pretty young back then and it feels like the franchise has grown with me. There are even some adult jokes in trolls band together that make it even more enjoyable of a movie. I do wonder if there will be another movie after band together.

fan fact the twins and all the others in the city(i forgot the name) were originally going to be a sub species of bergen

I think I fully agree with you. I did like the first more than the second. I thought the second had a way stronger story, but the emotional pay off at the end wasn’t there for me. This third one was so good. The only issue I had with it was that I wanted it longer. I wanted more time with the characters and more time to live with their flaws for a stronger redemption to their developed selves.

I’m so happy that ppl are enjoying the movies finally. I’ve loved this franchise since even before the film came out. It always helped me through hard times. Also I really don’t think Trolls was about to ”stop being depressed, be happy” it was about overcoming trauma and finding happiness any way you can instead of just either hiding from the world or consuming things to escape it all. And that really helped by trolls came out when I ALSO lost a family member that caused a lot of trauma and depression. Branch had always been so relatable for me. Also I’m glad Branch stays a little dull bc trauma and depression doesn’t just go away like that. And we know this with Band Together where he still has more issues to deal with. Also although I’m not a Broppy fan, it’s such a good side plot throughout the series.

Lol I feel like I only show up to these trolls movies because Branch is such a MOOD. I also liked branch wasn't just completely over his emotional baggage aka his hair being black in the first two movies. He had a lot of stuff to work through after shutting everyone out for years.

The mashup they made with the song fits so perfectly