Logitech X-56 Rhino HOTAS for DCS World, Star Citizen & MSFS

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Leadnap Gaming

Leadnap Gaming

3 жыл бұрын

New title releases this fall for Microsoft Flight Simulator and Star Wars X-Wing have pumped new blood into the HOTAS market - so this week Lead looks at the X-56 by Logitech for DCS World & Star Citizen. If you're playing any of these titles and considering this kit - make sure you watch this review!
Unlike many other reviewers, Lead used this stick for the last 10 months in a variety of titles. This isn't one of those unboxing and "used for an hour" what's cool reviews. This is in-depth, letting you know what you're really going to get. It should also be noted, the X-56 is normally a $250-300 HOTAS unit. Due to COVID and new releases demand has skyrocketed and it is now listing in the $400 range! Make sure you watch this before you buy now!
For the viewers who remember the TM16000 video - fear not - there is no music in this one.
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@taliru8846
@taliru8846 3 жыл бұрын
this is an awesome review from someone who actually talks you about the details on the controls, how the inputs fell, any problems with different parts, and goes deeper than just the feels of the controls.
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I felt those things were lacking in a lot of reviews I watched in deciding what to buy - so I try to include them when I do a review
@ImpendingJoker
@ImpendingJoker 2 жыл бұрын
Except he has no real world experience. I have this very stick. Not only do I have the ~lightest spring installed I also have a zip tie around it to compress it further and make it even lighter. He has it exactly backwards. You don't want stiffer for precise movements, you want smoother, and to get this you need lighter movement weight not heavier. As myself has flown UH-1H's in real life, I can tell you, the amount of force needed to move a hydraulic powered flight control is so minute that you pretty much just have to think about it. If you try to move the stick a lot, you'll end up dead real quick. The same is true for the F-16 stick, where in real life it only moves 1/4" in every direction ~that's how sensitive it is, and it was initially designed with only 1/8" of movement but pilots didn't like it because it didn't move enough. Even in a Cessna, you'd be surprised how little force is actually needed during normal flight. It's like driving a car. You only move that sucker a little bit at high speed for a major change, and they only find center through gyroscopic forces, that have nothing to do with the steering wheel. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I love this stick and as both a real world aircraft mechanic and sim enthusiast, I can tell you, this stick is a great and low price alternative to the Thrustmaster Warthog, and the Virpl flight controls. The prices he's talking about in this video aren't set by Logitech but the retailer. I got mine for $249 last year, you just have to know how look at other places other than Amazon, and Ebay for deals. I have no issues with helicopter flight or precise movement with this stick.
@mdo
@mdo Жыл бұрын
Pretty much this. After having flown a real GA plane for the first time recently i was surprised that 1) the stick doesn't want to return by itself to a neutral position and 2) it is extremely sensitive to the slightest movement. I finally understand why some simmers who are also real world pilots mod their sticks and remove the spring entirely.
@LayneBenofsky
@LayneBenofsky Жыл бұрын
@@ImpendingJoker it really reveals how much of the question of stick tension/centering is simply up to the user's preference. Buggy inputs can certainly be one thing, but adjusting sensitivity and dead zones for minute control with a fairly soft return spring can be pretty great.
@ImpendingJoker
@ImpendingJoker 2 жыл бұрын
I have this very stick. Not only do I have the ~lightest spring installed I also have a zip tie around it to compress it further and make it even lighter. He has it exactly backwards. You don't want stiffer for precise movements, you want smoother, and to get this you need lighter movement weight not heavier. As myself has flown UH-1H's in real life, I can tell you, the amount of force needed to move a hydraulic powered flight control is so minute that you pretty much just have to think about it. If you try to move the stick a lot, you'll end up dead real quick. The same is true for the F-16 stick, where in real life it only moves 1/4" in every direction ~that's how sensitive it is, and it was initially designed with only 1/8" of movement but pilots didn't like it because it didn't move enough. Even in a Cessna, you'd be surprised how little force is actually needed during normal flight. It's like driving a car. You only move that sucker a little bit at high speed for a major change, and they only find center through gyroscopic forces, that have nothing to do with the steering wheel. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I love this stick and as both a real world aircraft mechanic and sim enthusiast, I can tell you, this stick is a great and low price alternative to the Thrustmaster Warthog, and the Virpl flight controls. The prices he's talking about in this video aren't set by Logitech but the retailer. I got mine for $249 last year, you just have to know how look at other places other than Amazon, and Ebay for deals. I have no issues with helicopter flight or precise movement with this stick.
@tsalVlog
@tsalVlog 2 жыл бұрын
While it could have been significantly less-toxic, this comment was useful. I only say this to explain that at least one of the "likes" is for some info hidden in all the hate.
@grkobylka
@grkobylka 2 жыл бұрын
Same her. I cut spring to make stick more loose. Also removed part from throttle- now can't change throttle stiffnes, but it's not that stiff as it was. Really hard to be precise if you need two hands to move stick, right?
@ImpendingJoker
@ImpendingJoker 2 жыл бұрын
@@tsalVlog Where was I even a little toxic? Where I called him out for being wrong and not knowing what he's talking about? Sorry the truth hurt your feelings.
@veqlargh81
@veqlargh81 2 жыл бұрын
@@ImpendingJoker You are on-point though. I own a prehistoric x45 and the first thing that I did was remove the spring completely.
@erichhartmann1
@erichhartmann1 2 жыл бұрын
Here we have a pilot who has supposedly flown UH-1H’s (oddly specific model given the complexity of the many different variants), has flown the F-16 as well as Cessna’s though is now a mechanic all the while being subscribed to gaming channels. That would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? I don’t know many pilots who would leave KZfaq comments as it is, though in such a condescending tone supplying their supposed resume? Yeah, right.
@flighttherapybullisticfpv133
@flighttherapybullisticfpv133 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who just barely scraped one of these from a store with a few left and has it in the mail... this was a rollercoaster lol
@matthiusmunday3628
@matthiusmunday3628 2 жыл бұрын
fr i thought i made the wrong decision lol
@thestupidcupcake8334
@thestupidcupcake8334 3 жыл бұрын
Very well said and executed. The detailed description and the attention to every part let alone the comparison with other products blatendly depicts the effort you put into the making of this brilliant commentary. Thank you for posting this beyond helpful review to the public!
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@artyboy1377
@artyboy1377 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent review, i was considering this and the Warthog and ended up with the Warthog. My decision was sealed after I read about the X56's lack of tension/stiffness (which was the same reason i sold my X52 Pro many years ago) and it being equally lacking in weight for assured desktop usage. Your comments on the buttons/levers were especially useful.
@myachizero
@myachizero 3 жыл бұрын
"Fly an adult jet with one engine" *Me locking up said engine in EO in my Flanker*
@TheRandomSqueak
@TheRandomSqueak 3 жыл бұрын
Boo non clickable aircraft
@candle_eatist
@candle_eatist 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRandomSqueak non clickable but sure is damn fun to fly
@TheRandomSqueak
@TheRandomSqueak 3 жыл бұрын
@@candle_eatist you ain’t wrong. Nothing like flying the 27 with an ushanka, drinking vodka, and blasting hardbass
@candle_eatist
@candle_eatist 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRandomSqueak damn right comrade
@abstract0014
@abstract0014 3 жыл бұрын
Say what if I flew the hornet with one engine one. hmmmm this is big brain time
@znek4288
@znek4288 3 жыл бұрын
I dont know why so many people are having trouble with this hotas. I do fine movements on BMS and DCS almost everyday and I've never had any problems with it. The HOTAS is just working fine for me.
@Krashulka
@Krashulka 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, never had any problems with mine and very happy with it for $250 new in Australia. Cheers
@potato1499
@potato1499 3 жыл бұрын
It's my first hotas and I love it. I have somewhat smaller hands so pressing multiple buttons at the same time isn't a problem for me. Also as for the USB bit, my motherboard has a ton of ports on the back. Some of them are Usb 3.1, which I use for both the throttle and stick, and those don't give any problems with random button inputs. The motherboard is a TUF B450-PLUS GAMING. There's also a ton of other crap in the other USB ports at the same time; mouse, keyboard, a controller, headset and there are no issues this way.
@johndagdelen3860
@johndagdelen3860 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Logitech x56 (same HOTAS, Logitech just bought Saitek) and I have experienced none of the power issues that he describes here. I agree that the deadzones need to be set larger than i would like due to the mushiness when the ring isn’t engaged though. However, the presence of the ministicks on the throttle and stick make this a really great option for VR DCS players.
@Gtapolice123
@Gtapolice123 Жыл бұрын
Stock from factory, do I need to adjust with that ring? Im going to use it for MSFS, will the deadzone be just okay out of the box for that?
@engineerv8696
@engineerv8696 2 жыл бұрын
I upgraded from a Logitech Extreme 3D stick to the X56 when playing Elite Dangerous, and the change in my gameplay was incredible. I also use this a lot in combination with the Logitech G923 wheel for Farming Simulator 19 and 22. The number of available mappings makes gameplay much more immersive for me, especially when combined with VR.
@patricktho6546
@patricktho6546 Жыл бұрын
I am still on my Force 3D Pro^^
@Coolguykylor
@Coolguykylor 4 ай бұрын
@@patricktho6546same🥹
@skyeranger
@skyeranger 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that awesome and indepth review, showing some of the problems and quirks not talked about usually.
@williamwatkins821
@williamwatkins821 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I forgot I bought star citizen. Jeez, that was like 8 years ago
@ssp712
@ssp712 3 жыл бұрын
If you remember what email you used and have a decent PC it’s playable now and some of the final big hurdles in the game’s development (server meshing and some other back end tech they need) are about to completed which is going to allow the devs to begin pumping out features and content really quickly.
@ashcosmo3854
@ashcosmo3854 3 жыл бұрын
@@ssp712 Don't lie to him lol the game is still hot garbage and they have not even finished the FIRST system. The game is a pipedream.
@linusfootballtips2838
@linusfootballtips2838 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashcosmo3854 they aint finished the FIRST system cause of server meshing and icache.................we know they have a few systems near complete behind closed doors. it also runs pretty well in the current patch.
@h3llb1lly889
@h3llb1lly889 3 жыл бұрын
i just got into it during the freefly held in the end of November. i enjoyed it so much that i decided to buy a package. IMO its freaking amazing. the visuals, the intricacies, and strangely the interactions with other players are what sucked me in. yeah, its been in development for a long time. but lets see... what other game has taken well over a decade(+) to make... oh yeah, Cyberpunk.... and i would strongly argue that the tech and mechanics behind Star Citizen are FAR more complicated.
@ashcosmo3854
@ashcosmo3854 3 жыл бұрын
@Ferinir I'm a troll ? Hows crashing on Hurston every 30 minutes ? 9 years in development and the first system isn't even complete but they'll sure as shit keep shovelling new ships down your throat lmao
@OBOGS
@OBOGS 3 жыл бұрын
I actually quite like the lack of centre tension, I find it useful for formation flying and refuelling.
@ONI09100
@ONI09100 3 жыл бұрын
same here
@ahmadyahia2367
@ahmadyahia2367 3 жыл бұрын
growling mentioned that too though
@jingle1161
@jingle1161 2 жыл бұрын
Agree, some may think I'm crazy but I recently swapped my thrustmaster hotas warthog for an x56. Yes, the quality of the warthog is much better but the amount of joystick pressure you need to put in is ridiculous and very annoying. In fact it left me with a shoulder injury because of this. The x56 is far more relaxing to fly with, given its low tension.
@victorhartman1904
@victorhartman1904 3 жыл бұрын
07:15 I had the same issue. It is quite easy to solve in DCS: use user curve for axis tune. Adjust knobs in that way that responce curve has flat part in your "usual" zoom position.
@faroukm4148
@faroukm4148 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t just creating a dead zone do the same thing?
@victorhartman1904
@victorhartman1904 2 жыл бұрын
@@faroukm4148 It would. The problem is one cannot create a dead zone in the arbitrary place on the axis, it can be done only around zero.
@detectiveinspekta
@detectiveinspekta Жыл бұрын
Same issue here, had to just ignore it as it's a common problem. I now use the one on bottom has is slightly better.
@andreilarazboi
@andreilarazboi Жыл бұрын
after 3 years of use for this stick i can vouch for it, this stick is good for a-10c f16 and f18 in dcs because of the all 190+ programable buttons, as for the stick i had 0 problems with it, i use the lightest spring and i can say that it moves like butter, i even got a guy to make the x56 joystick all metal wich feels more durable. If you want a dcs experience for starters this is the one thing you can get now. Good review!
@Tyblerone
@Tyblerone 3 жыл бұрын
Also thank you for the in depth review. I was considering this thing but I feel like it could be done better for the price point.
@VKanto
@VKanto 3 жыл бұрын
Bought this set when Microsoft flight simulator 2020 came out. It works so im happy
@christopher5846
@christopher5846 3 жыл бұрын
Update?
@VKanto
@VKanto 3 жыл бұрын
@@christopher5846 still works great
@christopher5846
@christopher5846 3 жыл бұрын
@@VKanto glad to hear!
@user-xv4he4mt4x
@user-xv4he4mt4x 3 жыл бұрын
So technical and detailed. Thank you so much.
@MachineCode0
@MachineCode0 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this extremely thorough and high quality review. It has saved me a lot of wasted money and headaches, Ill be going for a VIRPIL setup I think. Can buy it piecemeal, its upgradable, hopefully it's as high quality as I've heard (and with broad usage options as you described). Amazing, thanks again. I would love to see more reviews like this on as many sticks as you can!
@joemunk
@joemunk 2 жыл бұрын
How's that virpil these days. Thinking about upgrading from this to that. X56 for 3 years now it's held up ok some buttons failed though.
@RudeMan1016
@RudeMan1016 3 жыл бұрын
I can attest to the USB issue especially being a owner of the original Saitek model and I didn't see that USP issue till I plugged in not only the sticking throttle but the foot pedal and I was playing Elite dangerous in VR
@Fedack
@Fedack 2 жыл бұрын
Have you considered a powered USB hub which is a lot cheaper and make sure you can keep the power separate while retaining data?
@RudeMan1016
@RudeMan1016 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fedack I just separate all 3 controller's in different 1 proprietary motherboard usb,1 front case USB, and 1 into a USB hub though it's not a 2.0 nor connected via pci slot. If I do that the issue does not appear.. not to mention I'm still using my z120 plus motheboard
@SeraphX2
@SeraphX2 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fedack i don't think it's a powered issue. i think it's a congestion issue. i stopped seeing ghost button issues when i rerouted my unpowered external hub (so that my sticks can be mounted to my chair and then i only have one wire running to my PC) from my Mobo USB ports (which were all filled up) to an unpowered USB PCI card, thereby isolating my external hub/flight stick communications from the other communications.
@Michelsen77
@Michelsen77 2 жыл бұрын
I use a usb 3.0 hub with external power supply. No more ghosting and disconnects
@Wind_Lord
@Wind_Lord 3 жыл бұрын
i had the saitek version, which had an issue with the cam sticking, when i sent it back I got a replacement under warranty to the Logitech version. The plastics and electronics have definitely received an upgrade with the logitech version and I find the cam much better on the stick. Also I find that using USB 2.0 ports (or a PS/2 to USB adapter for those with older motherboards with the dedicated PS/2 mouse port) are much more stable than using the newer ports on my inputs. maybe this will help for those with USB issues. I also have just invested in a VKB stick to go dual stick and even thought the build quality and smoothness is noticeably better, the price of the stick alone was what I paid for the entire HOTAS for the X56.
@JonBowe
@JonBowe 3 жыл бұрын
Bought my X-56 for approx $130 second hand a couple of years back as the throttle part had a few input problems. I figured out with reference to sites on the common failures of the throttles. There was a great set up for me in SC at Alpha 3.4, but when they changed the flight system it failed to work and I haven't really sat down to remap it yet. I do have a problem with the throttle box disconnecting from the PC from time to time, but your video may have helped me, as it might just be a power issue to resolve as most of my USB's are being used on my ROG Hero VII motherboard along with an RX 5700XT and artic 34 eSports Duo processor cooler. Having tried on a real military simulator for air to air refueling of a multi engine aircraft, it is one of the hardest things I have ever tried and failed multiple times, the longest I stayed connected was 0.5 seconds. This was part of our training as RAF aircraft technicians at RAF Kinloss.
@bakunincervantes4372
@bakunincervantes4372 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Review. If I ever go into Sticks again I will try to remember you!
@Astral_-_King
@Astral_-_King 3 жыл бұрын
Yep that makes sense, my x55 is also a no refueling stick lol. I have however doubled up on the spring by lining them up and melting a pipe sleeve to help hold them in place. Tensions better but not perfect.
@sirwalkman
@sirwalkman 3 жыл бұрын
Nice idea! I'll have to try this.
@MikaelLevoniemi
@MikaelLevoniemi 2 жыл бұрын
Those loose springs are a must for space and helicopter pilots. Actually wanted even weaker spring on mine, but it ended up not centering too well. I'd need different axis system / cams for which i have to invest to virpil.
@einarabelc5
@einarabelc5 3 жыл бұрын
I saw this video before when evaluating the X-56. I only remembered the USB part, what's wrong with an externally powered USB hub that takes current from the same outlet your PC does and skips the Power Supply altogether? All it's doing is acting like a HUB with higher power levels. Also the problem with the X-56 isn't the power consumption but the Signal to Noise Ratio that creates the problems you're talking about, in Electrical Engineering that's called Crosstalk. That's actually solved through Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineering (the FCC/CE logos you see in products) and it has nothing to do with power intake at the USB port. That's just a work around to deal with bad EMC design and probably a lack of filtering. I got my X-56 off of ebay for less than 100 and you're totally right about all of its symptoms. I returned the X-52 before and you're also right about the stick(when it comes to behavior not really about stiffness being the cause). Because I knew all as well as learning the mechanical engineering reasons of what constitutes a good gimbal that I went with VKB and I would have gone with VKB for the throttle as well and not with Virpil. In short even though Virpil is famous their EMC design is just as bad if not worst than Thrustmaster's and TBH VKB are the only ones who have a clean EMC design.
@Kempi1
@Kempi1 3 жыл бұрын
You are 100% correct.VR has the same issues, nothing to do with power drain just signal noise. All you do is change your plugged in configuration.
@PapaShuffler
@PapaShuffler 3 жыл бұрын
I just got a T.16000M dual stick set for MSRP! I love em so much. I'm still new to world of Hotas/Hosas, but it's incredible! Once I get used to it I'll check out some nicer sticks.
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you love it. Honestly the deeper message of this review was that unless you need the features of far more expensive set ups, the TM16000 is amazing and as you go to higher models the satisfaction isn't as assured.
@PapaShuffler
@PapaShuffler 3 жыл бұрын
@@Leadnap yeah especially since the price jump is even worse if you want twin stick. I hope that another ambidextrous mid-range stick comes with the huge bump in demand for Hotas since MS Flight Sim launched.
@flighttherapybullisticfpv133
@flighttherapybullisticfpv133 3 жыл бұрын
I actually got my T.16000 from a walmart clearance rack in a small town for $40 canadian lol I also found a pair of logitech flight pedals in a staples in that same small town, all in 2020 which is crazy. I really dont like the button setup on the T.16000 for DCS but the actual joystick travel is amazing for the price! Even after I upgrade to winwing for DCS, Il still use the T.16000 for Elite Dangerous... its just too smooth for space games
@garyweston3269
@garyweston3269 3 жыл бұрын
I went from x55 to X56 to a t16000m. Go with the tmaster. While none are perfect, the x55/56 is built like garbage. It looks cool yes. Cool buttons yes. Made like junk.
@John-pi4id
@John-pi4id Жыл бұрын
Excellent review, very detailed and exact. You helped me make up my mind!
@berzerkinglemur6534
@berzerkinglemur6534 Жыл бұрын
Great in-depth review! Thanks.
@Not_An_Alien
@Not_An_Alien 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, thank you.
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ChrisLichowicz
@ChrisLichowicz 3 жыл бұрын
One of the many reasons I've stuck with CH Products since 1992.
@truckerallikatuk
@truckerallikatuk 2 жыл бұрын
I run my X52 pro on a USB3 hub. USB3 has loads of power available, which fixed the power issues for me no worries. I also run a button box with 20+ controls, which does help with complex stuff.
@excalibersc5849
@excalibersc5849 3 жыл бұрын
Works good for me. I have found that no Hotas system out there is perfect. And It works great in Star Citizen!
@MegaRoflgames
@MegaRoflgames Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I found this cause I've been on the fence about it for a few weeks.
@chaadlosan
@chaadlosan 3 жыл бұрын
I've been using an X-56 RGB for a couple of years and I got it for the $250 I got it shortly after it was released. I've never had any issue with the hardware in star citizen or elite dangerous. I have it plugged into an external wall powered USB HUB from anker. It's been a great HOTAS and a joy to use. IMHO.
@Q5Grafx
@Q5Grafx 3 жыл бұрын
im old school i run the saitek x51
@questofknowledge8788
@questofknowledge8788 3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of the phantom button press problems stem from not enough power going to the hotas. I have found people who have more than enough power in their pc or a wall powered usb hub don’t experience the problem. Is that true for you?
@chaadlosan
@chaadlosan 3 жыл бұрын
@@questofknowledge8788 Yes you should use a wall powered USB HUB. That way you don't have to worry if your board is providing enough power.
@imhollywood1015
@imhollywood1015 3 жыл бұрын
Sotas, the quintessential piece of equipment for all virgin starter packs everywhere.
@TheCarbonade
@TheCarbonade 2 жыл бұрын
I have the X55 HOTAS which is basicly the same, and this review is pretty much spot on with all the issues I've had as well. Looking to swap it out
@glassfullofmilk
@glassfullofmilk 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with the finite controls issue (had an x55), the spring and centring mechanism has a weird breaking point (force required to move the stick and get a response) where its too much so you over and when you correct for it you over correct causing PIO in Air to air refuelling that you don't notice in any other types of flight. Personally I have never had any issue with the Control layout or size/position that other reviewers have had, but I suspect that this may be because I have larger hands than them. But yea good entry level hotas.
@ahmadoudiop8547
@ahmadoudiop8547 Жыл бұрын
I end up using the mode knob for Nav -> M1, Air-to-Air -> M2 and Air-to-Ground -> M3 in DCS. Pretty useful for me.
@inf3243
@inf3243 2 жыл бұрын
I have one of these, and have exactly the same issue with the rotary on the throttle, which I'm using for my zoom axis too. It's the perfect spot for it, but jitters around like crazy.
@richardswede
@richardswede 3 жыл бұрын
WOW, what an unbiased appraisal of the X56. GREAT video and most helpful to someone looking to replace their trusty but aging X52pro Hotas. I was (Am) looking to the X56 and the Warthog, and your video has certainly made me think very hard. Whilst i don't play DCS (Why Not i wonder as it looks right up my street), i flight sim in X-Plane, MSFS 2020, Elite Dangerous, so am after a setup that will do all 3. There are plenty of 'USED' X56's on the bay and other markets, but after watching your video, it makes me ask the question 'Why are they selling'? Hmmmm Faulty switch, wobbly joystick....Alarm bells ring............... STAY AWAY FROM 2nd HAND X56! Thanks Man, often on here reviewers give a false positive as they have bought it and want it to be good, but this video of yours is a in depth breath of fresh air exposing some critcal flaws of the X56, whilst showing the possible benefits. Thank you Sir!
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped you in deciding what to do. The Warthog has been great so far for DCS and MSFS 2020, but it's not been nearly long enough to do the review on that yet. X-Plane and MSFS - DCS is worth checking out! Thanks for watching!
@BOTzerker
@BOTzerker 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure the dimensions of the spring, but you may be able to use a 1/5th or 1/8th scale shock spring from Radio Controlled cars. You can cut the shock spring if it's too long.
@OffRoadQC
@OffRoadQC 3 жыл бұрын
Personally, coming from a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro... I think this thing is great. And I "only" paid 325$ CND (about 250$ USD) for it, new. I consider it a fair price. Now, I agree with all the things you said that are wrong with it. It's far from perfect, but so far, I'm happy with it. I have no issues with USB power, although I make sure to use different headers (one from the back and one from the front) so maybe, in my case, it does the trick. And I have a good motherboard. The Logitech software is frustrating to use... and I'm still debating if I should use it with modes or just map my controls in games... Right now I have a mix of both and it's kind of a mess. But... at least it offers options. So.... I don't know. It's not perfect, but overall good enough for a casual gamer if you want more than a basic joystick. If you want more, just accept to pay more than what it offers, and move on to the high end options right away.
@ReallyMaxPayload
@ReallyMaxPayload 3 жыл бұрын
And that pretty much mirrors my view. I really like my X56 for Star Citizen/Elite Dangerous and as I'm not a flight sim player, I guess I don't really experience some of the annoying aspects of this HOTAS. I've not suffered with some of the issues around USB power, again like Eric, I didn't cut corners with my system and have smaller hands, I don't have an issue with pressing the wrong switches inadvertently. Still, good review :)
@OffRoadQC
@OffRoadQC 3 жыл бұрын
@Kxwala Well, the tightening screw broke a month ago on the X56... not a surprise since it's a known problem... Other than that I'm happy with it. Lots of options to map stuff. Is it worth it? Depends on the price you pay I guess. There are better, higher quality, options... for twice the money or more. And not much in between. I'm not serious enough about this stuff to put more money into an HOTAS, so for me, yes the X56 was worth it.
@OffRoadQC
@OffRoadQC 3 жыл бұрын
@Kxwala Good question, I haven't looked. It's quite easy to open though. But a quick search didn't provide any diy fix. That doesn't mean there aren't.
@godofm3tal1
@godofm3tal1 Жыл бұрын
You paid $300+ for a $40 stick?
@zat132
@zat132 3 жыл бұрын
Nice looking stuff. As a Logitech man myself I have been looking at it for the future
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
The build quality is on par for Logitech, and I don't mean that as an insult. If you're already using products in their line, the X-56 won't jump out as very different, just an upgrade in mappable controls. If you like the other offerings from them, you'll certainly enjoy the X-56 I would think.
@aiden7440
@aiden7440 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best X56 review on KZfaq. Please look at the VKB Gladiator NXT.
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
I've had so many requests on this I will try to get one and do so.
@malachi8151
@malachi8151 3 жыл бұрын
Waiting for my virpil hotas set, watching reviews for other sets in the meantime :p
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it! Certainly do want to eventually test their set up out for a review!
@capt-rex2894
@capt-rex2894 3 жыл бұрын
@@Leadnap are you a real f16 pilot????
@richardswede
@richardswede 3 жыл бұрын
Malachi 81, How long are you having to wait for the delivery of the virpil from hitting the 'BUY' button? Looking at their site, they do look good, but i don't (Can't) want to wait 2-3 months as my X52Pro is really dying very quickly now. I have such a large dead zone on X and Y that makes flying ridiculous.
@malachi8151
@malachi8151 3 жыл бұрын
Well, they do have a massive back order due to MSFS, but customer service is top notch. They called me that my order is being dispatched, details came with an email. Took a month from buying to dispatch. Perfect timing because my right t16000 is dying :p
@richardswede
@richardswede 3 жыл бұрын
@@malachi8151 Thanks, might give it a go
@cantfeelthis3288
@cantfeelthis3288 3 жыл бұрын
what stick/thrttoel combos would you recommend at different price points right now? I have to have it stand on my desk and cant mount it for now because i have a racing sim which means i need my desk for normal work etc.
@Nukeaon
@Nukeaon 6 ай бұрын
I know the review is 3 years old but as of 2023 December, the issues talked about in this video still persist with this HOTAS. Thank you greatly for the video, I had purchased it before seeing your video, and searched when i noticed the issues, promptly sent back to Amazon
@Ian-zb3rp
@Ian-zb3rp 3 жыл бұрын
Nice review, question is the X52 Pro similar in it's power hogging because I have been experiencing similar input problems?
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
So I don't have an X52 Pro, but if you experience similar problems you can be pretty sure it is the same problem. I love that manufacturers are trying to clean up wire mess and make this stuff easy and PnP - but all these products really need more than what the single USB is providing. Even my keyboard has two USB connections to provide enough power.
@sirannikus
@sirannikus 3 жыл бұрын
When my stick gets floppy, I just double click her mouse wheel!
@ephraimawesome4447
@ephraimawesome4447 3 жыл бұрын
Huh?
@cwagner122
@cwagner122 3 жыл бұрын
I doubled up my springs down recall what one but definitely using 2 springs
@bretttrommler756
@bretttrommler756 11 ай бұрын
A while back I upgraded from an old Logitech G940 FFB (which i still use on occasion) to an X56 HOTAS. Initially I liked it although I did miss the FFB. I liked the abundance of switches and axis' and I liked that it was a very generic setup because I use my HOTAS for a number of flight sims and space sims. However, it wasn't long before two big issues became very apparent. First, the slop in the joystick was extremely noticable and problematic. The second and much larger issue was the ghost inputs, mostly from the throttle. I tried every fix and remedy I could find on Google and various forums, and while a few of them decreased the frequency of the ghost inputs, none of them eliminated the problem completely. The slop in the stick was something I could fix. But the ghost inputs were a deal breaker and I have since upgraded to a Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS.
@SlyNine
@SlyNine 7 ай бұрын
Same here, the Ghost inputs killed it for me. The ferrite core would probably work. But why is it my job to fix a bad design suffering from interference. ferrite cores help prevent wires from acting like antennas. But again, not my job. I should have heeded the warning from others. But I crossed my fingers and bought that junk.
@rebilacx
@rebilacx 2 жыл бұрын
With the usb power issue, you can buy powered usb hubs that plug into the wall. A lot of sim players will mount a powered usb hub onto the bottom of their chair, and plug all their hotas controllers into that.
@l0rdcroissant
@l0rdcroissant 3 жыл бұрын
doing my research and appreciate your input
@LokiDWolf
@LokiDWolf Жыл бұрын
My main purpose is to use this for MSF 2020. Though I have other games to play with like DCS, Elite Dangerous and even Ace Combat, I know this joystick will be enough. Though I dream of having an all out great hardware set, this will be a good upgrade from a simple console joystick on my pc. Thanks for the real input. Especially about the USB scenario. I never even thought about that. And I'm almost out of USB ports! Cheers!
@Ehawk_
@Ehawk_ 3 жыл бұрын
will be looking for a new hotas in the next year or so, the t16 has been good but limited and very flimsy, wish there was more choice in the hotas market
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
The X-56 wasn't bad, though if you think the T16 is flimsy you might be best avoiding the Logitech line altogether and going up to the Warthog - which is solid enough my kid can't push the stick over.
@hudsonr.218
@hudsonr.218 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot recommend the Gladiator NXT from VKB enough. Even without a throttle, its a solid build and amazing at everything. Ergonomics are on point and it has more switches than the warthog stick in a similar layout. For every fault that the X-56 stick has, the NXT solves.
@kithid
@kithid 3 жыл бұрын
Great input, I probably would shop around for something with a bit higher-end feel given review. I would also recommend upping your intake of biotin judging by your fraying cuticles.
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
I've never had anyone toss me some health advice in a comment, you are a first. Thanks for watching!
@sennabullet
@sennabullet 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this excellent review!
@MikeSmith-eo6ft
@MikeSmith-eo6ft 2 жыл бұрын
I personally own this exact, model. I have had some issues with centering and rotating buttons value output changing when it wasn't moved. typically in +/- 50.(5% change) For those that don't know this stick goes on a scale from 1-1000 as output values. I solved the centering issue by adding a dead-zone of 5. I do agree with @ImpendingJoker the lighter spring is much better for precision. After calibrating both controllers. it solved most issues mentioned. For some buttons yes the clearance is very tight and sometimes hard to hit the right button. However, after a couple weeks, you settle in quite easily, and learn the proper positioning for those buttons on the controller. I do wish that rest stop on the stick was actually adjustable. Would make hitting those hard to reach buttons much better. I use this joystick/ throttle combo for all of the games mentioned. without any issues. By far the best Stick/Throttle combo I've ever owned. on the precision site. for minute control, with deadzone set to 5 on both x/y axis, minute changes occur right as you start to feel spring pressure. Which helped with mid air refueling in dcs. @leadnap Gaming I would suggest changing to the lightest spring, deadzone on the stick set to 5 on x/y axis, and try it again. The stiffest spring, sucks as much as you say it does, but not trying to other springs, means you only tested the worst of this system. Alot of people i know that use this controller all use the lightest spring.
@MarekUtd
@MarekUtd Жыл бұрын
Fantastic review!!!
@Rhamnus
@Rhamnus 3 жыл бұрын
This review is quite accurate. I owned one of these, and hats off to you for lasting this long with it because lasted about 5 minutes before I hit the refund button on amazon. I had to set a massive dead zone on the stick because it was that lose even after changing out the spring to the stiffest I could find in the box. Loaded up War Thunder Sim battle, the hotas didn't even register, loaded up Elite Dangerous and I had the input situation you were talking about, moved the throttle and every single command possible activated. Honestly, this was a lesson learned for me, I found it for $400 on amazon (price hike thanks to Microsoft Flight Sim), but with all these issues, hell I wouldn't want to pay more than maybe a $100 for this.
@christopher5846
@christopher5846 3 жыл бұрын
It comes out of the box with the stiffest spring attached. Wdym? 😂
@damonvonschweikert131
@damonvonschweikert131 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is considering a hotas setup, I would really like to learn more about the ergonomic considerations and options available. Specifically what I can use to make switching between mouse/keyboard and hotas more practicle; mounts, cabling options, etc. I'm sure there are videos out there I just haven't found them yet but I really enjoy your perspective. Thanks and keep up the great work.
@coleepley8985
@coleepley8985 3 жыл бұрын
The ergonomics of a hotas is super important, especially when you want to keep your keyboard and mouse fully functional as well. To preface, this video does not mention that the bottoms of this hotas are fairly light, and especially on the throttle, can slide around when doing fast movements. I've seen some cheap builds where people will use two folding tv trays on each side of their office chair and using adhesive velcro strips to keep the hotas blocks from sliding. While this could be a solution for someone just wanting to keep their mouse and keyboard functional (I super care about his as when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey comes out it is going to have me switching from cockpit to on foot a lot), I think some of the best things on the market for hotas ergonomics is Monster Tech. They make great mounts that either attach to the arms of office chairs or ingenious mounts that hang off the front of the desk (they can adjust way up though to compensate). While these mounts can add 200 or so dollars to your hotas purchase, it really completes the feel of a genuine gaming input rather than a gimic you put on your desk when its time to zoom in space. I like to think of it like if you spend a lot of money on a nice PC, why would you buy the cheapest monitor? While this X56 isn't the MOST expensive, if you're going to pay $250 US (minimum because the market is whack) for a stick you'll use for maybe 3 games, you're probably invested enough to complete the investment.
@damonvonschweikert131
@damonvonschweikert131 2 жыл бұрын
@@coleepley8985 Thanks for taking the time to respond, much appreciated!
@HuntingFalconn
@HuntingFalconn 3 жыл бұрын
I had the x55 same stick different skin. Was great at first. Half a year later developed a lean to the left aft side when you released the stick. Couldn’t fix the issue ether
@franciscobroseta546
@franciscobroseta546 2 жыл бұрын
this is interesting! I got the x 56 as wedding present and after 4 years and 300 hours in elite dangerous and 250 in dcs never had any problem except for the very fine control when flying in dcs. I always thought it was just that the game is difficult. Motherboard is a 250 Euro one so maybe that's why I never noticed any power problems...
@kreyepticgaming6170
@kreyepticgaming6170 2 жыл бұрын
Love the review, love the X56. Also, oct 2020 you had lots of ash too? We might live in relatively similar areas hahaha
@Dervraka
@Dervraka 3 жыл бұрын
Funny, I have the X55 (basically identical except with the Saitek logo instead of Logitech). I had the opposite problem with the springs, they were so freaking strong I would nearly rip my stick out of my desk if I got too vigorous.
@fixit9844
@fixit9844 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, I don't have this USB issue with the X56, but I did get my stick about 5 months after this review came out, so perhaps the X56 was updated behind the scenes? I do have issues with the fine stuff though, but that's alright because I don't do much precise inputs in DCS. The most precise thing I need is landing, which is fine on the X56. Great review!
@ccetc1
@ccetc1 2 жыл бұрын
That lever axis on the front of the stick will be cool when I’m using the mig 21
@dtrjones
@dtrjones 3 жыл бұрын
I own and use the X55 which I really like - had it for years but only recently it's had some button issues. I'll probably buy the X56 - it's not perfect - I have small hands so have to re-adjust for the top buttons but button clashing has never been an issue and the low resistance I quite like. Inaccuracy of the stick honestly has never been an issue either, the dead zone is quite large but I don't mind that. The great gains for this HOTAS are in the name - it's the ability to map everything so you don't have to rely on a keyboard, the software is great and the mapping combinations numerous with the 3x toggle selection triple your available mappings. For VR this stick is fantastic. The biggest issue for me is that I can't really find an alternative that works as nice across those big three titles and Elite Dangerous.
@AdjudicatorBrbal
@AdjudicatorBrbal 2 жыл бұрын
I have a X52 and been plotting on going Virpl but the X52 is too perfect button wise. I wish the right stick was more sensitive to movement, but other than that its perfect.
@635_
@635_ 2 жыл бұрын
Having bought and used the x56 after watching this video i must say its suprisingly good i have had mine for about 10 months now and i was never short of buttons (not even with the a10 in dcs) and i have also never had any problems with any buttons not working the stick is kinda loose after a while but i guess thats just how springs works (they do give you the stick with multiple springs)
@DerickMasai
@DerickMasai 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, I just saw a comment from someone asking if it is possible to use more than one spring in a helix formation so maybe you can share your thoughts on this. Is it possible in your opinion and would it help the stick be more stiffer?
@635_
@635_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@DerickMasai that might actually work.. ill have to try it
@josearmas1511
@josearmas1511 3 жыл бұрын
dude i got a x-55, the layout is the same but it doesnt have as many issues as you listed (like the electrical ones, and the wobbling of the switches)
@quecksilber457
@quecksilber457 Жыл бұрын
The part with the USB hub was really important information. I just ordered an X56 to replace my reaaaaally old X52. And i have one of the best USB hubs available still in my old PC. First i will try without and if i encounter any issues i am gonna switch it into my new PC and bam. So that is a W for me. Thanks a lot lad. :)
@aaronmurray2691
@aaronmurray2691 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if those springs could be doubled up, like a helix, to give more tension?
@EgErSudlandVikingr
@EgErSudlandVikingr 2 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about that. Or getting a heavier after market spring to throw on.
@timp2751
@timp2751 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't help. It's less the strength of the spring and more that the tolerances between the cup & ring as well as the cup and the shaft it slides on means there's an untensioned hole in the center. What has helped some owners is adding external springs between the mounting bolts in the corners and the stick
@UchihaSasuke02
@UchihaSasuke02 3 жыл бұрын
got the X55 years ago, still using it now. Some of the issues were present then but the 56 seems to have developed more since the 55
@Jacobarch1981
@Jacobarch1981 Жыл бұрын
simple fix for the multiple command issue. Unplug and plug back in. Works like a charm
@erick7656
@erick7656 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought the X-56, I have the older blue version. I actually love mine, but my previous hotas was my ps3 Thrustmaster T-Flight X. There is now a shortage on Entry Level Hotas and this was the first one that became available under $300 ($250). I couldn't be happier with this HOTAS, I use it for Elite:Dangerous and Star Citizen. Still a very new user, I think I have my Elite setup finally the way I want it, but Star Citizen is still a work in progress... I may end up using the software to map to keyboard shortcuts to get more options. I think the problem I came across in Star Citizen is on the thruster side, the up down button on the front is mapping as z-axis, which is the same as the actual thruster moving forward and back, and also the rotating knobs are considered all z-axis on controller 2. I am still working on getting past that issue to make all those extra knobs and switches to work.
@erick7656
@erick7656 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, I just retested my hotas mapping using the star citizen advanced controller configuration. I think what happened was I was pushing on the thruster as I was trying to set the rotating knows on the thruster and it kept registering my slight push instead of the rotating knob. I had to have my hand off of the thruster and just rotate the knob making sure not to accidentally move the thruster and the rotary knobs worked just fine. So please ignore the comment above regarding this...
@thedudeabides3138
@thedudeabides3138 2 ай бұрын
This was a terrific review. keenly observed and nicely balanced. Thank you. Immediate Sub and Like.
@TimberStiffy_
@TimberStiffy_ Жыл бұрын
On point review. if this had come out before I bough one. I would have just saved and waited for virpil.
@ChrisCO930
@ChrisCO930 3 жыл бұрын
I do have the ghost button issue as well due to the power draw and it was infuriating whilst I was trying to trouble shoot it. Fix for me was to deactivate the LED's in the X56 software and I haven't had the issue since. Not great however if you love the LED's. The review is also spot on with A2A refuelling in DCS, very difficult due to having to set a slight dead zone at centre.
@ChrisCO930
@ChrisCO930 3 жыл бұрын
So in the end the ghost buttons ended up coming back no matter what I did plus a few of the hats stopped clicking, they did work but were impossible to use without the tactile feedback. Thankfully I purchased mine from a local retailer and they gave me a full refund.. Absolute junk. I have since spent 3 times as much on a Virpil stick and throttle and it has been worth every sent, simply flawless and makes DCS as good as it possibly could be.
@Purenrgy
@Purenrgy 3 жыл бұрын
For the springs, aren't you supposed to stack some of them together for more stiffness. I thought they sat inside each other.
@ast-og-losta
@ast-og-losta 2 жыл бұрын
wow...an honest review. Thanks!
@glennledrew8347
@glennledrew8347 7 ай бұрын
One should set a dead zone on a stick only if the output signals are 'noisy' and hence inducing a jittery response. The really bad thing about dead zones is that they remove the center zone where the smallest deflections are effected. That is, the dead zone results in a sudden jump from zero to some larger value, with no intermediate scaling. This is how to REMOVE the ability to make the very fine inputs for such precision control necessary for, e.g., aerial refueling. To illustrate with an extreme example. Suppose one set a dead zone that cut out the lower 50% of deflection. One would then be able to push the stick through half its range to no effect at all. Then once crossing the dead zone threshold, suddenly the deflection output would jump to 50%. To counter this the curve of response would need to be re-scaled so that at the half-deflection threshold the output would be just commencing to rise from zero. But if there is overall 'noisiness' in the sensor, there will remain the problem of jitter at those small output deflections anyway. And the need of setting that center range of zero response is by itself detrimental to fine control. The ideal always is to have crisp response, with output deflection being completely continuous and uninterrupted through the center range of movement. To that end, non-noisy sensors are your best friend. If potentiometers, periodic replacement is wise under heavy use. And if the manufacturer or a 3rd Party make them available. A Hall effect sensor should be free of this issue.
@mrhumans6453
@mrhumans6453 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome breakdown and review. I know this video is almost a year old now, but do you have a setup now that you have stuck with since? You have a similar background to me (from what it looks like) and you play all the same games and sims. Interested to see what you found to be the ideal setup. I've had the TM T16000 and currently have a slightly modded Warthog setup. The 16000 was great for space games, the warthog is almost perfect for DCS but I want to know what you ended up with.
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 2 жыл бұрын
I've since released a Warthog review which is what I have been using. Will be bringing some other tools in to test with in the next few months but the WH has been my HOTAS for the last year.
@LordTiberius52
@LordTiberius52 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you came back to it towards the end, that this is a very good stick for Star Citizen. I've never played DCS. so I can't relate to those issues that just sounded "Not-Picky" to me. Those minute adjustments for your midair refuling are PERFECTLY done with the 2 little thumbsticks. Though I don't know if you can program them for that in DCS. I have my left thumbstick as strafe up, down, right and left. And my right thumbstick as Strafe forward and backward. In essence, you get HOSAS with those thumbsticks. I've got speed limiter and thrust limiter on the split throttle. So with cruise control the speed limiter acts as a throttle, but when you want finer, or more temporary control, turn off cruise Control and use the strafe. I wonder if you got a bad stick, Christmas will mark 2 years for mine, and with the lightest spring, mine centers well. Recently I get a tiny yaw left. So I put a tiny X dead zone in the SC settings. And that fixed that. Your best points were the sad truth that in the flightstick world, we go from cheap $30 crap, to barely adequate at about $100 to this colossal jump to $500-$1000. With only the X55/56 in the Gap. (and forget about the 55. Those thumbsticks are well worth every penny). I've had many org mates complain about Drift settling in to their T16000 within a few months. And that it has very few programmable buttons and switches. I still have a good dozen unassigned spots on my X56 just waiting for things like shield hardening missile select. A while ago I made a 5 minute video showing my Keybinds for SC. I've made a couple of tiny changes since I got a Khartu-Al. But I'd take it as a courtesy if you'd take a look at that vídeo. I actually made it for Cobra when he was considering to buy a stick. MY ONE COMPLAINT right now is I need a side handle button, like on my VR controller. I used to have Weapon group 2 on the pinky, but with the Khartu-Al I need afterburn to NOT be thumb activated, but not be a reach (tried putting it on the pinky lever, but that's just a bit awkward) I really wish I could design my own flightstick. But have a list of top notch parts. I just don't have the resources to R&D every part to make sure I find wires that won't break in 6 months and triggers that won't malfunction after 50,000 pulls.
@LordTiberius52
@LordTiberius52 3 жыл бұрын
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@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Well as I mentioned, SC was far less "demanding" as far as the sorts of precision I was looking for especially in DCS. In games like that that stuff just falls to user preference, and it would have been wrong to tell people it was a bad stick because it didn't meet my personal preference. Overall it's not a bad HOTAS at all, just over priced, now more than ever. I'll be working on my own custom throttle build here in the next year or two. I'll check your video out.
@themusketeer9458
@themusketeer9458 3 жыл бұрын
What's the best alternative in a similar pricerange? and why are there no new hotas from these guys since that came out like 4 years ago? I am totally new to this, but always wanted a hotas, so first time really looking at the different types
@SixStringflyboy
@SixStringflyboy 2 жыл бұрын
I still have the original, old-firmware version of one of its predecessors, the "good" old X-52. The zoom-bounce is a huge problem on that one too, along with the spring tension. Sounds like they didn't learn from their mistakes, used some of the same hardware in the X-56, and spent the real money on adding the split throttle and the additional switches. .
@JuanAguilar-tc8kx
@JuanAguilar-tc8kx 3 жыл бұрын
you can stack the springs inside of each other
@nathanebbinghaus2375
@nathanebbinghaus2375 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense
@driedink
@driedink 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense
@bugsy3209
@bugsy3209 2 жыл бұрын
I personally do own an X56 and i franly think its great. I dont see myself going any higher than this unless FOMO gets the better of me. The reason i got the x56 is because i wanted a stick with magnetic sensors and this one did. I actually am 100% fine with what you consider a problem with it when it comes to finite controls. After modifying the curves a little bit, the x56 performs AMAZINGLY and i actually love the sensitivity in the center. I fly in elite dangerous which is probably why i dont find the centering an issue. I actually want that sensitivity, because a slight movement of my hand translates into very critical and needed adjustments when flying flight assist off. Also for me the throttle was too hard to move even on the lightest settings, i actually needed to take the back off and take out some of that goop for me to be able to move the thing how i like. The button layout on the throttle is problematic if you have average to large hands, i have small hands so i can navigate that area much easier than the average user so i dont have any issues with those. Also i dont have a detent on the black knobs on the base of the throttle so im not sure if its broken. All in all the x56 is an amazing stick especially for its price range and i encourage everyone to get it.
@f-22raptor25
@f-22raptor25 2 жыл бұрын
has it been good after the 5 months
@CK-oz8nn
@CK-oz8nn 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, great channel, glad to find ya as we fly mainly the same sims. Have you had any experience in the Warthog HOTAS setup? Also which rudder pedals do you prefer? I would like to update my t16000 setup, however the stick and hotas with modifiers work best in most situations but the rudder pedals suck! I was kind of thinking Logitech’s rudders with the t16000s are just about a perfect lower price level setup for most... let me know your thoughts, hope to see you out there. -c_jr
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
Hi CK, I am currently testing out the Warthog and there is certainly stuff I like and don't. I prefer to give reviews after extensive testing instead of a few hours (hence so few reviews) but it matters. I'm still using the 16k rudder pedals, which are not bad but when it comes to pedals I've seen this far you either have entry level or something that could be installed on the real thing with no in-between. When possible I put the pedals more forward and use my toes to push since what the 16's lack is finesse. I'll give you an unofficial Warthog thought via email if you like. submit@leadnap.com
@TheArcticFoxxo
@TheArcticFoxxo Жыл бұрын
My tip for this stick is to snip the lightest spring at a desired level, and it will have a small amount of give before the spring "engages". This will allow for small micro adjustments that make little to no difference in normal flight, but huge difference when refueling or formation flying.
@gamesturbator
@gamesturbator Жыл бұрын
Had the Saitek one, now I have the Logitech one. I remember stacking springs with the Saitek one because the tension was so weak with just one. Is there a visual guide for your method I can look at so I don't screw things up? Thanks! ❤
@TheArcticFoxxo
@TheArcticFoxxo Жыл бұрын
@@gamesturbator The point is to make it as loose as possible, and snipping it both makes it loose and gives it a small deadspot where its entirely loose and wiggles around. I use this for any EOTS system or formation flight. It's too minuscule to make a performance difference, but it still gives you fine control. I don't have any visual guides to it, just snip small sections off of a spring you WOULDN'T use and see how it feels, or order extra sets of springs and screw around with them. Remember, always cut off less than you need, as you can keep cutting off more but you won't be able to reattach it
@pjohns9532
@pjohns9532 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything he said and I’ve had mine for years now. I haven’t had the power issues tho where he got un-commanded inputs
@rainerbehrendt9330
@rainerbehrendt9330 Жыл бұрын
Started with DCS and a new PC in 2020 (Lockdowntherapy). My first Stick before was a Thrustmaster FLCS (F16 Stick and Throttle) but sadly don't work with newer PCs (without USB, DOS Software). Bought a X56 Rhino. Got in the Game but upgraded quickly to the Warthog. I miss the F16 like Throttle of my old Thrustmaster but the two separate Throttles are usefull for many DCS Birds and Helis. I still have the 56 and the Twist Axis is a quick Fix for my missing Pedals in Helis.
@droninginpeace
@droninginpeace 3 жыл бұрын
Just a simple suggestion which worked for me with the X52 - Elongate the spring for more "Stiffness"
@jackogg5776
@jackogg5776 Жыл бұрын
I like what I've seen so far. Still struggling getting it programmed for DCS F-18
@catdaddy57
@catdaddy57 3 жыл бұрын
Could you tell me where you got the brackets for mounting them??? I've been looking for something like those....tks
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 3 жыл бұрын
JPein from Amazon. They work really well for the X56
@shaneebahera8566
@shaneebahera8566 3 жыл бұрын
i had the x56 ghost button presses when i first got it but after a month of using it and going into silent running on its own and opening the gal map in elite dangerous the issue disappeared havent seen it again in almost 2 years lol
@multifaceteddoall
@multifaceteddoall 2 жыл бұрын
I heard after Logitech bought Saitek, this HOTAS was reworked and is a much better HOTAS now. There are tons of good reviews on this on Amazon and I am planning on getting one. That blue one is the one by Saitek. Logitech one is grey.
@Leadnap
@Leadnap 2 жыл бұрын
The version tested in this video is the Logitech model.
@DemonYaz
@DemonYaz 2 жыл бұрын
Hey good vid.. those mounts that you are using for the x-56 on the desk.. who makes them? because I need them lol
@Izarial
@Izarial 2 жыл бұрын
Love mine, except for that USB issue! Playing Elite and sometimes it'll switch from combat to discovery on it's own, or lower my cargo hatch and/or landing gear without me wanting it to
@madmikesch2453
@madmikesch2453 2 жыл бұрын
That's not a USB issue. Your cables inside the stick or the throttle start to break because of bad quality and wrong construction So Logitech didn't change anything and it is the same garbage than before with Saitek.
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