Well one reason would have been to use stunt doubles, too.

Oh grow up, this is great without any comparison

@@ShadowSonic2well I enjoy the marvel films very much but his statement is still true

So true

Capeshit is for man babies

My favourite thing was the way the director ultimately used the scenery that really defined the film to literally illustrate the pointless futility of the two men fighting at all. By not showing close-up this intense and impassioned brawl, but instead showing these two tiny men slugging away at each other in a landscape that makes them utterly insignificant. It's just a fantastic piece of cinematography to convey to the audience the point you're trying to get across without having a character spell it out to you.

@@Blisterdude123 Exactly! None of their stupid problems add up to a hill o' beans. It's not called THE BIG COUNTRY for nothing 🙂

Nice comment. Judah would have a hard time in a court room....and Atticus is no good in a chariot, so I guess both have job security.

It was on TCM a while back.

Best Western, for sure, which is saying a lot because I have a lot of favorite Westerns.

Very true! No one can take his vacated place in Hollywood. Ever!

Lol.....he did put those pants on like a boss.....😅

Zephyr. The way Heston put on his pants was epic indeed

Gregory Peck also died in 2003.

They proved a hell of a lot.

"All I can say, McKay, is you take a hell of a long time to say goodbye!"

"Huh?"

Greg didn't hate anyone. Not at the beginning and not at the end. He was better than that.

Heston no esta tan musculoso como en Ben Hur

In Ben Hur Charlton has a perfect body

Exactly ❤

I Love this comment

No. Greg's the clear winner. You're expecting Chuck to dust him in thirty seconds but instead he hangs in with him and goes mano-a-mano for what seems like hours. Finally Chuck taps out and then Greg pisses all over his macho bullshit with one simple line.

I often wondered how the bare knuckle boxers fought without breaking their hands. Sometimes they would backhand their opponents.

Agreed. And what about the damage to one's knuckles? If a blow lands on a bony skull or the jaw, the impact absorbed by the victim has to be about equal to the fist doing the striking- that's a basic law of physics. One or two such blows and a fist would swell up to the point of being ueless. Great for movies- kinda laughable to anyone who understands real fighting.

True enough, but it's hard to have a third act in the film with super fat lips and eyes swollen shut. haha

Exactly. You'd fight it out with fists. When it was over it was over

I mean...I don't know what you think is wrong about that point, the whole film is about Peck constantly having put up with people questioning his integrity, courage, and masculinity because he doesn't play the same false-bravado game the rough and ready cowboys do. Peck's character time and again is doubted, questioned, and insulted, because his stoicism and personal code don't 'fit' the image the people around him interpret as being 'masculine'. And you see, repeatedly, the dangerous, violent, and hollow results of that in his fiance, her father, and the other clan of ranchers and their futile feud.

"Pervavisive toxic masculinity", that's ideological baby talk and non-thought, a slogan.

@@michaelm6948 But it actually means something here. The movie is about how that attitude really just leads to death and unnecessary violence as opposed to genuine masculinity like Gregory Pecks'.

@@ShadowSonic2 It's defiled human nature, as is the attitude of Peck's fiance, who sees her relationship in terms of social approval. Her potential husband serves as a conduit for her power in the community. Toxic feminity? No, those are idiot ideological terms, bandied about for presentist agendas. Depraved human nature is on display throughout the film.

SO DID GREG

Yes especially the chest ! So huge !! The best male physique in Hollywood that era.

They are having a manly contest of strength. Hitting below the belt would only prove you are weaker and therefor you would lose.

Not that kind of fight

And cheating which, of course, people have no problem with nowadays.

It is ok to knee someone in the nads if you are in a fight due to an unprovoked attack, which is the only reason to get into a fight anyway.

You fight to win, not for the gentleman of the year tittle@@clintonleonard5187

What?

@@msudawg685 Peck proved that he was not a coward. And Heston gained respect and even admiration for him. It’s also a very important scene for the audience.

@@andreawilkerson2006 Peck was never a coward to begin with and had nothing really to prove. His woman was a selfish brat and in the end of the film it was explained to her by her friend that it was stupid of her to make him feel like a coward because he didnt want to show off whether it be riding a horse or fighting a man. The only reason to ever be in a fight is if you are attacked physically.

@@msudawg685 yes we all know that. However how would you feel as an audience member if he’d never fought Heston?

@@msudawg685 all of what you are saying is true, but imagine the movie without the fight scene. It’s story telling at its finest. Didn’t you enjoy seeing him rough up Heston? Of course it proved something, not only to us but to Heston. And yes Pat is a spoiled little girl who idolizes her father. She actually belonged with Heston but was too foolish to realize it. And Heston saw her for what she really was, a shallow vane creature. I love this film, one of my favorites and the music is stellar. I personally like it more than the score of The Magnificent Seven. I don’t know why it hasn’t endured as well. And of course the pivotal character is Burl Ives, one of the most charismatic actors to ever grace the silver screen.

Neither.

Agreed.

What are you talking about?

@@clintonleonard5187 In "Frostbite's" description of the video: See above. It's a small poke at his/her 2022 evaluation of a 1958 film. Wokeism not even being a consideration back then.

@@mikejohnson9118 Are you going to whine "Woke" anytime you hear anyone with an attitude beyond the 1950s? The whole point of this was McKay repeatedly refusing to debase himself with Wild West BS because he was already certain of his masculinity and didn't need to prove it to anyone. Even now his motives for this was to get Leech to see that it was really pointless.

Movies are totally known for their unparalleled realism and accuracy. It's practically a documentary, right?

Go watch some bare knuckle fights

That’s not what Heston said later. At the time this film was made, Heston’s career was still developing, whereas Gregory Peck was a long-established star who was also co-producer on the film. Heston took the part because he wanted to work with William Wyler. He was fully aware that his was a lesser part, but he later said that he was very glad that he had taken it. It definitely was a plus for his career. He had the greatest respect for Greg Peck.

@@danstracner9053 OK, you might be right. But they did get into a big fist fight where nobody won

The audience won. It was brilliantly shot by Wyler. Heston later said that he couldn’t figure out what Wyler was doing with the camera up on a high ridge so far away. Beautiful film-making.

@danstracner9053 The opening with the stagecoach is one of the best openings I've seen in a movie, other than High Plains Drifter

No,he was mad as Peck got his girl in the beginning in the film.

Yep super homoerotic. Rather than ridiculously so, it's blatantly and amusingly and intelligently homoerotic.

@@thomasosullivan2285 Heston being in his tight longjohns as he got out of bed added to that