Be interesting to see a fuel consumption comparison.
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
A few people have mentioned this. The fuel consumption difference would never offset the extra cost of the premium fuel, so it’s something we didn’t bother doing. It will always cost you more for the premium fuel regardless of the small consumption saving. The only tangible benefit you get from spending more is the better engine performance and additive.
@aufaryafibaskarakadi44098 ай бұрын
@@CarExpertAus Well I don't mind spending more on the premium fuel but saving more fuel rather than using lower grade fuel but costs more fuel l/100km😅 It's hard to refuel when you're in rural areas
@w_stanky8 ай бұрын
@@CarExpertAus Yeah true.. In an earlier video a while back you mentioned a rough idle at times. Has your Raptor been inspected for broken valve springs?.. I noticed the Raptor content went quiet for a while straight after. Am I’m reading to much in to it?
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
@@w_stankyIt’s due for its first proper service at the end of December and I’ve asked them to check it out. I loaned the car to Dad for a couple of months between him selling his car and waiting for his new one.
@acde93558 ай бұрын
@@aufaryafibaskarakadi4409 To help save fuel, the government should invest to replace RON91 with RON95 in the rural area.
@tethadam76578 ай бұрын
Sometimes 95 is a slightly higher rating than adervertised and 98 is sometimes lower. 95 is by far the best value. Gains in 98 are usually minimal / non-existent.
@eyecontrol490028 күн бұрын
Only chuck in 98ron if its needed. Like for a BRZ, Mustang GT, M3 or AMG. Otherwise most sportscars and high end cars can take 95.
@thearlongpark8 ай бұрын
The big difference between regular 91 and premium 95&98 is sulphur content as well. ULP is 150PPM and the premium is 50PPM. The lower the number the cleaner the fuel is. I can't wait until Dec 2024 when the new regulations kicks in that only allow 10 PPM for all fuel to see if makes a difference again.
@word19018 ай бұрын
91 octane has been garbage for years i won't even run it in my lawn mower
@YZJB8 ай бұрын
*up to 150ppm Doesn’t mean it’s always right up there at 150
@thearlongpark8 ай бұрын
@@YZJB yes but so does the premium. Independent tests usually come up to be around 20 to 30 PPM.
@thearlongpark8 ай бұрын
@@word1901 Agree. The only time I bought 91 is to top up the hire car or work pool car because the fuel card only works on 91.
@coreyw4278 ай бұрын
Why do you care how much sulphur is in the fuel? Not going to make one iota of difference to performance.
@mjpt578 ай бұрын
My personal experience is that if it says "91 RON or higher" then you're wasting your money going higher. Our Mercedes C300 (2l turbo) was 95 RON (or higher). I often had to run 98 in it because 95 wasn't available. All I noticed was an increased cost. I use apps to monitor fuel and other car usage. The average 1/100km figure never varied between the two grades of fuel. And with my motorbikes, one of them, a Honda 1100cc Blackbird used 91 RON. I ran 95 and 98 in them. Performance-wise, I couldn't pick it from day-to-day riding which included the mandatory fanging of said bike. Fuel economy didn't change. My current bike requires 95 or higher. Again, being a litre+ V twin it doesn't make any difference if I go higher. BUT, if I do put 91 in it as I had to recently up around the Snowies on a ride as nothing else was available, the damn thing rattled and pinged its sorry way to the next servo and I had to take it easy to stop it pinging, despite it having the fancy-dancy ECU, knock sensors and so on. Then there's diesel and "premium" diesel. Makes no difference in the 3.2 Ranger except for the cost of filling up is greater. If this article wasn't sponsored by a fuel company which enjoys massive margins when selling higher octane fuel I'd have taken it a bit more seriously. Sorry, but that's how it came across to me.
@ashc37658 ай бұрын
Good to see you did this test properly by starting with premium. It can take a while for engine to adjust to better fuel but swapping to lower grade 91 the difference is felt straight away.
@jasonfields27938 ай бұрын
They adjust the timing several times per second in a modern engine so it will adjust faster than you could ever expect.
@turbostyler8 ай бұрын
@@jasonfields2793 Nah, the way it works is if it detects knock it'll drop timing super quick to save the engine. Once you put in premium fuel it takes a while for the ECU to learn you have a better fuel because it detects a lack of knock and slowly feeds the timing in until it finds the happy amount of timing again.
@jasonfields27938 ай бұрын
@turbostyler they actually continue to advance timing all the time until it detects knock than it pulls back its about being as efficient as absolutely possible at all times
@coreyw4278 ай бұрын
@@turbostylerJust here to second what Jason said. There could be a small delay but that would only be due to the actual RON entering the engine not yet being 98 due to 91 in fuel lines or rail. The ECU monitors knock on every ignition event and will adjust extremely quickly to either knock or a lack of knock. It has no RON sensor, it is reacting to knock through knock sensors mounted to engine block.
@chrisneale67818 ай бұрын
He dropped to 91 and came back up to 95 and it responded straight away. Doesn't take anywhere near as long as you think to feed timing back in.
@bugged1208 ай бұрын
80L fuel tank and price at the pump right now, 91 = $145.52, 95 $157.52 and 98 $163.92. 91 to 98 fill up difference is $18.40. Almost a $1000 saving over a year if you are filling up weekly.
@MJSE-of7gs8 ай бұрын
IMHO anybody using RON98 in a Raptor cares little about money.
@Steve-Mcgarrett8 ай бұрын
Buy a raptor and be a fuel jew! Makes sense!
@nickycrea60758 ай бұрын
its the same as putting 91 in a mustang
@eyecontrol490028 күн бұрын
Its not the miles per gallon. its the smiles per gallon!
@Wedgetail968 ай бұрын
Confirmed what many of us have learned via experience. Use 91 for day to day in a town environment and fill with 98 for a trip (where power for overtaking is needed). Also I know from recorded observations from a 2009 AWD Territory, it would get about an extra 50km plus range from the higher octane option.
@ozflyer14 ай бұрын
never use 91..... its dirty crap fuel in Oz.... and contains a high amount of sulphur.
@nhraandnascarfanatic59073 ай бұрын
Interesting.. the wife had an 07 territory years ago… we ran 95 in it, loved it! Loved E10 aswell but was abit on the thirsty side… put 98 in it and it just played up like a second hand lawnmower.. really really weird..
@dennisjohnstone47398 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, we have a FG G6E Turbo that requires at least 95ron, on occasion when 95 was unavailable running it on 98 only made minimal differences to performance and fuel consumption. However on occasions when we towed a caravan 98 was a winner in terms of performance and fuel consumption in marginal figures for both.
@PaulyDTheKiwi8 ай бұрын
Hey Dennis, I have an FG F6 and it has the 98 Only sticker on it. I wonder if it’s because the FPV has the slightly larger Turbo or maybe it’s a Tuning issue?
@EYESWIDEOPEN008 ай бұрын
You will notice the difference if you tune the car for each fuel. BP 98 is usually the best of the bunch also
@MJSE-of7gs8 ай бұрын
@@EYESWIDEOPEN00 You mean remapping? The difference will be noticeable but still marginal.
@EYESWIDEOPEN008 ай бұрын
@@MJSE-of7gsin all the years of being involved in cars and discussing tuning, iv never had one person come back and say "you mean remapping" anyway. If octane and quality of fuel didn't make a difference, nobody would bother switching fuels, including myself.
@MJSE-of7gs8 ай бұрын
@@EYESWIDEOPEN00 I'm not sure how you "tune" an FG Ford other than remap it. I tune my lawn mower and brushcutter.... with an FG Ford where do I stick the screwdriver? :) Of course different octane fuels make a difference... I said the difference will be noticeable but marginal. IMHO RON98 in a RAPTOR will be noticeable but my goodness, it is a over 2500 kg brick. Waxing on about off the mark acceleration differences with different RON fuels is in a Raptor is silly. It is marginal in a FG Ford as well. But people are free to do whatever they want to and kid themselves their off the shelf dime-a-dozen car is so much better for it.
@kelvinwatt85358 ай бұрын
Would love to see a comparison on L/100kms on different fuel types as that is how vehicles are sold. People who live in rural eareas drive further than people in big cities
@acde93558 ай бұрын
I also support that, but a more suitable vehicle must be chosen for this comparison.
@peterj57518 ай бұрын
There are 2 parts to this. In terms of economy, driven without taking advantage of the extra performance, I’d expect similar gains in fuel economy with the better fuel from my experience. But the big if is what sort of engine you are running. If you are driving a normally aspirated economy car designed for 91 RON you gain virtually nothing. If you are running a high performance turbo designed to run on 98 RON the differences will be huge. To do this comparison well you should have had an ordinary car like a Camry for comparison to show the difference.
@acde93558 ай бұрын
@@peterj5751 Exactly, and I think this also affects the performance result, as Paul has done in this video. The Ranger Raptor has a 3.0 litre V6 turbo engine which is always better to run on high octane petrol. I don't believe this engine can really accept RON91. Instead, it should require RON98 as a minimum, just like the Mercedes AMG.
@garreysellars55258 ай бұрын
That's the real test provided he drained all previous grade before refilling or he has created a blend
@tomw46378 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree, would love to see if premium is more efficient and therefore more cost effective
@ashokeb8 ай бұрын
I’ve only used 98 in mine so far, as I haven’t been anywhere remote enough not to have it, yet. On a related note, tried Sport mode on twisty, hilly roads for the first time last weekend. JEEEEEZUS, it’s quick, loud, angry, wild!
@ashokeb8 ай бұрын
I’m not sure what you actually did to wash out each preceding fill of fuel, but the first transition seemed to happen at “26km to empty”, which means there’s still the reserve in the tank, 15-20L, so your quarter tank fill is actually diluted by the residuum. If you did a full washout, I suspect the differences would be even more significant. Anyhoo, thanks for this test, as it confirms that those of us who care about performance, should always use the best fuel they can find. However, it also demonstrates that, if you’re in the middle of nowhere, and all you can find is 91 RON, the car will run fine!
@dannyrexknight8 ай бұрын
Love this. Been wondering the same thing. Would like to see a consumption comparison too. E10 too please!!!
@samuraidenis8 ай бұрын
Thanks for all your videos, I really value and enjoy them. When I first saw this video appear in my feed my expectation off the cuff was a L/100km economy comparison. At this point and apart from the obvious performance benefits, I'd love to be convinced about the Cost L/100km comparison and in the current economic climate it would be quite relevant. Hoping this might be something you might consider for a future video. PS while you're at it, how about Diesel vs Premium Diesel comparison as well. Thanks again.
@johnlambert17448 ай бұрын
Over the years I've tested using 98 fuel in standard cars (ones that didn't need anything higher than 91) and I never noticed any fuel economy difference/gains. I think the people that say they do notice a difference are experiencing the placebo effect.
@eyecontrol490028 күн бұрын
98 is only useful in sports cars or if the fuel cap says its needed. Like the M3, BRZ, Wrx STI or AMG.
@stevieg38058 ай бұрын
I am interested to see the other fuel companies stacked up against each other. BP v AMPOL v Coles Express v Caltex etc - I am curious to see how their RON95/98 fuel competes with each other
@paulsimpson89907 ай бұрын
They’re all the same mate. The additives they put in are upper cylinder lubricants which help a bit.
@levitrevisan28345 ай бұрын
@@paulsimpson8990what about some of the cheaper brands such as metro or other independents like that, are they any worse or still just the same as the big companies but cheaper.
@paulsimpson89905 ай бұрын
@@levitrevisan2834 unless they have their own import terminal then they’re buying their fuel from either viva energy/caltex/bp/terminals/vopak. Viva and Caltex (Ampol) have refineries in Geelong and Lytton. 91% of Australian fuel is now imported from overseas. The only thing that varies is the additives that is put in at the terminal. Vpower has additives as does bp and Ampol but others may not. At the end of the day the octane rating and density is the same. Now 15 years ago vpower WAS different as it was a high density fuel made by shell for Ferrari to increase the molecules of fuel in a 100 litre tank but those days are long gone. It’s all the same now. Biggest thing to worry about is whether the small independent will look after you should they damage your car with contaminated fuel. Some out there have bad reputations for that. Tanks at servos have water detection but sometime after heavy rain this can end up in your fuel tank.
@levitrevisan28345 ай бұрын
@@paulsimpson8990 Yeah okay thanks for that info, might be worth the extra few dollars to go to one of the big ones just to be safe, is one brands additives better than any others? I have a Mini Cooper currently so I try to look after it as best I can.
@paulsimpson89905 ай бұрын
@@levitrevisan2834 if it’s a direct injected engine I wouldn’t bother as the additives don’t make contact with the valves but if it is port injected then any of the majors. Shell/bp/ampol because the additives will keep things clean 👍
@4g5y8 ай бұрын
95 is the sweet spot, in terms of both performance & value for money!!
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
It appears that way!
@interceptor79058 ай бұрын
Also for lawn mowers
@roberthocking91388 ай бұрын
Confirms the tests I have done on Bp fuel, 95 is the best value for money, and you still get the cleaning additive to keep your injection system clean . 95 for me . Good video
@LIFEat1108 ай бұрын
Do you notice a difference in fuel economy?
@roberthocking91388 ай бұрын
@@LIFEat110 yes, I tested them over 15 years as a sales rep, on the road every day, the 95 made the car run better and gave a small decrease in fuel use. Where the 98 made the engine run less smooth and the fuel saved wasn’t worth the extra cost. The last car I had did 200,000 Ks on Bp 95 and it still went like a rocket and never used oil or had the injectors replaced
@TheIrishman0078 ай бұрын
You’re not going to see the performance differences unless tuning it specifically. However, using only 98 all the time will keep the inside of the engine in better condition for longer. And it’s especially so when you have a GDi engine, they build up a hell of a lot of gunk in the intake chamber.
@allthingsgoodtalk8568 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? Was a clear performance gain by switching from 91-98
@graemebee6 ай бұрын
For my 2012 Volkswagen Jetta TSI I have always used 98 RON. I'm absolutely delighted the car runs as well today as the day I purchased it.
@PJ-rf4uw8 ай бұрын
Great performance comparison but like a lot of other people I would like to see the fuel consumption difference between the fuels for everyday driving
@mattyp3558 ай бұрын
E10 would have been interesting to add as well. Many people say it’s garbage would be nice to see that backed up with facts
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
That might be another video we try. I’d never use or recommend E10 and based on what I’ve read the money you save is offset by higher fuel usage. But granted it would be another great test to do.
@speedline378 ай бұрын
In markets where there's only 95 (Thailand for example) the available E20 gives a higher octane rating (approx 97)then 95. The fuel system and engine are rated for e20. So e20 will give the best performance in those markets.
@AussiePom5 ай бұрын
I have a Ford FG G6E N/A and I've found that yes 98 gives it more "pep" but that 95 and 98 see fuel consumption increase whereas with 91 that's where the best fuel consumption is achieved. I can run it on E10 which is 94 but never have. For some strange reason driving in the more remote areas at consistent high speeds (110-130kph) and car "feels" more lively performance wise even on 91 which is basically what it's designed to run on.
@luke783338 ай бұрын
I definitely noticed the difference of fuel grade with my motorbike, but also in each brand of fuel station. At the extremes, my 650cc parallel twin could either feel lumpy, sluggish and hard to start.... or smooth, rocket-ship-like and starting first turn.
@ScomaAus8 ай бұрын
I woulld be interested to see what E10 would do for performance as it has a octane of around 94 without being a premium fuel.
@mikeycassey85077 ай бұрын
I found it just as fast at the 98. The raptor loves to advance the timing when it senses it has ethanol in the fuel lines. Cheap but fast.
@angelapotter83328 ай бұрын
Our Kia Rio was always pinging under load with 91. Now use 95, no pinging and just drives better.
@davidcori24408 ай бұрын
I still remember when Shell had 100 Ron. Noticeable difference in my xr6 turbo
@TheShandylua8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your confirmation....yes i have noticed the difference...I now only use 95 within the city and 98 when driving long trips
@Piecenotwar8 ай бұрын
Run anything modern on 91Ron and under load listed to that engine knock…even as a pedestrian I’ve heard cars set off and the engine pre ignition knocking like mad. Knock is out of control combustion, can cause damage in multiple parts including engine bearings and ring lands etc.
@GregsKitchen8 ай бұрын
I always use 98 in my gardening power tools, they always run better
@bobbrown15288 ай бұрын
Any chance of some heat soak affecting performance difference. Great video as always.
@Thanx4alldafish4 ай бұрын
In all my cars I've noticed a significant difference when using premium. The biggest was when I had a manual v6 Jeep Wrangler 2 door. It was very eager on 98, and even kept up with cars it really shouldn't have. The best example was an xr6 turbo, the driver didn't believe me that my engine was stock! It also seemed to use about 2 litres per 100 k's less on premium 98, which usually made up for the difference in cost.
@timmcdonnell65658 ай бұрын
Great video with interesting results. Would have been good to see some dyno runs with each fuel type also. Cheers.
@johnthompson23485 ай бұрын
I've got one of the last 4.0Lt V6 Hilux SR5's and used to always run 91 but I swapped to 98 a couple of years ago, made a slight difference to the economy but the big difference is in the mountains as I spend a fair bit of my work in the Snowy Mountains. Using 98 makes it not kick back gears anywhere as much as when using 91 so drivability is so much better. I have every tank of fuel in an App on my iPad and the average has dropped from 14.7 down to 14 even over 200,000 Km.
@peterorth21498 ай бұрын
Was the 98 fuel fully purged before refilling with 91? And. Ambient temperature and humidity also play a role in performance. A test for ltrs/100 would be awesome too.
@vaughanscott73088 ай бұрын
Paul fit the herrod performance pack and do a vid on that. Currently theres no vids on the hugely popular pack. Cheers.
@holykarmaaus8 ай бұрын
Insightful! Nice comparison. I was waiting for such a video. Thank you!
@somat1118 ай бұрын
While back I had a manual DE Mazda 2 hatch, which I ran on 98 as it hardly used any fuel. Out of curiosity I tried all the other fuels, anything lower than 95 and it would take longer to crank over when cold and some hills required a gear lower to climb. Fuel economy was also noticable worse using 91 or E10. But before that I had manual BL 2.0L Mazda3 sedan, that had an adjustable crank angle sensor. Before I adjusted the sensor it was absolutely gutless in 6th gear on the highway. After the adjustment and running 98, it actually wanted to accelerate in 6th on the highway. So, really the answer to does higher octane fuel increase performance/ economy is.... it depends!
@tolrem8 ай бұрын
I've always used 95 in my old two litre Toyota but last time I used 91. I'm sure it's slower with 91.
@tareskisloki85798 ай бұрын
When 98 first came to Australia I had a V6 4Runner with a long range tank, I spent a few months playing with it to see if it was worth it. My only metric was range, I had no way to track other performance figures. from First click to the warning light I had almost 100km range difference from a 200lt load between 91 and 98, while the cost difference at the time was about $10 between the two. Ever since then I have run 98 in all of my cars whenever it was available. Two of them I had tuned specifically for it to actually make the most out of it. The cost difference between the grades these days varies quite wildly from one servo to the next, one day to the next, so I don't really think about that anymore.
@mightygood18 ай бұрын
Needs to be a blind test. Need to see the brake boosting off the line for each run.
@lazhwar8 ай бұрын
Would love to see a comparison between the main brands on 98 only.
@rickb3148 ай бұрын
What difference would you be expecting?? They're all the same octane rating.
@002GEO8 ай бұрын
1-bp 2-shell 3-7 eleven
@S9RUT8 ай бұрын
How long would it actually take for the ECU to adapt to the different fuel and ensure max performance on the given fuel? Also would love to see a fuel consumption comparison on a car that usually runs on 91. 👍
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
The knock sensor is constantly listening so it should be as soon as it senses knock. That’ll happen as soon as the fuel octane rating changes. Keep in mind that if you go from 98 to 91, for example, you’ll have a mixed blend until the 98 has been diluted out of the tank.
@turbostyler8 ай бұрын
I'd have loved to have seen a e10 run as well. Despite having a lower octane number the ethanol is an excellent knock suppressant. It's also the cheapest fuel and I'd bet it would have performance on par with 98.
@mrz12818 ай бұрын
its also shit for your car would not recommend
@turbostyler8 ай бұрын
@@mrz1281 why is it shit?
@sturobertson10072 күн бұрын
I've had more cars than I care to remember, economy aside, I've found that 98 seems to make engines run more smoothly. It's kinder on the mechanicals I think.
@scar62748 ай бұрын
The proper way to do this test should be on a dyno to compare hp and tq figures.
@HandleCarefully9258 ай бұрын
Agreeing to a previous comment below; I would like to see the difference in Litres/100km for the three fuels on a long run (open road). I’m sure we will see more interesting information.
@dansearle70248 ай бұрын
Haven’t watched this video yet, but I did my own experiment recently and found that I get better fuel economy in my next gen Raptor using BP fuel over the others, about 1-1.5L/100km better off.
@taman828 ай бұрын
Be interesting if you also tried E10 to see how much of a performance difference there is using Ethanol blend
@mikeyphoto488 ай бұрын
agree 100% would be more appropriate for most people
@jacksonwelch98708 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for them to say it’s fine to run 91 Then it can be just like the good ole days at VW when we had a 5x5 room filled and stacked 3 engines high all with cracked pistons from detonation because people ignored the sticker on the fuel flap that says “premium only”
@Family_and_Happiness8 ай бұрын
Heaps of Y62 owners are running 91 when they aren't meant to.
@jacksonwelch98708 ай бұрын
@@Family_and_Happinessand then they wonder why fuel economy goes to shit Can always tell with a y62 when people fill with 98 or 91 they don’t drive as good on 91 Just because you can run them on 91 doesn’t mean you should especially when towing
@Stevegrande18 ай бұрын
@@Family_and_Happinessthat’s all I use in my Y62 is 98 since the day I bought it new. I’m hoping using the 98 with direct injection is helps reduce the carbon build up being direct injection
@user-jw1em7wb6e8 ай бұрын
Very interesting Paul, I would love to know what the difference would be you driving a diesel with Ampol fuel and the cheapest one. Is one really better than the other. Love your videos and love learning. Nick
@honda1169698 ай бұрын
I'm in the United States most newer cars if they require premium for the added performance they will still run fine on 87 octane cuz they have the knock sensor... I just run 87 octane or whatever the recommended ⛽ is unless the vehicle is dyno tuned with higher grade ⛽ than you need to run that obviously 💯👍👍
@benjim_8 ай бұрын
CX5 with the 2.5 Turbo 4. Massive difference between 91 and 98. Its had 2 tanks of 91 through it purely because 98 wasnt available. Substantially better both with spirited driving and highway driving. Better on fuel with 98 too.
@aussie81147 ай бұрын
Testing showed only over 3,500 revs do you get a power benefit. My CX-5 is almost never going over 3,000.
@benjim_7 ай бұрын
@@aussie8114 testing is wrong :)
@aussie81147 ай бұрын
@@benjim_ I doubt it, it was thoroughly tested by those that know this stuff. There’s a performance graph that shows zero improvement until around 3,500. My CX-5 turbo has lots of zoom zoom on standard, I literally wouldn’t need any more. Rarely even need the zoom zoom I have now. Mazda don’t recommend high octane, they only recommend standard.
@benjim_7 ай бұрын
@@aussie8114 it's not all about power. Fuel economy is better and all
@SoheilEsmaeili8 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, try it with Shell and BP please.😊
@Bobtubeau8 ай бұрын
I'll save this video for Ron.
@CruzeUK8 ай бұрын
We have 99RON and 102RON here and in a performance car that can take advantage of the higher octane it's quite noticeable.
@Deezeerider6 ай бұрын
@CarExpert ok so agreed and tbh pretty obvious in those extreme conditions of a drag race and higher speed track work( so any higher performance requirement) the 98 is always going to have the edge(0.5secs approx on the 1/4 mile and 0-100) but what about normal everyday driving, doing some 40-80km commutes mixed motorway and town driving without being a plonker on the throttle at every traffic light because you cant as there’s always traffic ahead of you and the lights keep changing during your commute. And then taking the kids to sports practice, going to visit some relatives doing a couple of 100ks round trip. In other words fill the tank and let’s see what you get out of the tank full with each type and do a cost comparison. With today’s rising costs of everything - actual cost of ownership( after initial purchase and service costs) the most expensive part is day to day and week to week budgeting. If I want to go hoon I can budget for that, if im towing the caravan for a weekend away I can budget for it.- so towing costs with different fuel would also be useful. I suppose it’s not as fun and more time consuming but certainly what most people will be interested in.
@Mountainbaseddweller8 ай бұрын
98 Ron is 93 octane for the us not 91.
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
Sorry that's fixed in the title!
@paulsimmons77148 ай бұрын
Wheels mag did a comparison about 10 years back with a commodore. They used e85 e10 91 95 and 98.the 98 got the furthest but after doing the calculations turns out 95 is the most cost efficient fuel.
@davidperry35318 ай бұрын
Whilst I hate vehicles like the Raptor and you cannot say that the handling is very good with that body roll in the video BUT this is a very interesting comparison and the stop watch does not lie. I would be more interested though in a long term test showing economy differences and even longer showing any advantage the 95 RON and 98 RON may have in terms of cleaner engines and engine life. I always use 98 RON in my 2019 BMW 330i and am always impressed with the economy, both around town and on the open road. With lower sulphur fuel coming on line in late 2024, (whether it will still be 91 RON we do not know) it would have to be an improvement on the current 91 RON. My old 2000 E46 323i is always run on 98 RON and to date has done over 350,000 kms, so that must say something for the cleaning properties of 98.
@akar27558 ай бұрын
People that tell you it 'makes no difference' are basing it on old info for outdated tech cars. 91 vs 98 has always made a difference for my cars power- and even if it didn't, the higher fuel efficiency (for me, approx extra 50km range) and potential additives are a bonus.
@KevinL77358 ай бұрын
Nice video, interesting result. BTW, is it true that in Australia, fuel brands don't matter because all fuel is produced in the same refinery per state?
@Hutchy868 ай бұрын
Good luck getting an answer with this knockout!
@john_barnett8 ай бұрын
Almost all diesel in aus is the same. A lot of the petrol we get comes from Singapore too
@copuis8 ай бұрын
yes and no is the fuel produced in the same refinery's often, it is, and the fractions will also be the same however the aditives and extras, (and sometimes the controls of those) can and do differ from brand to brand
@nickycrea60758 ай бұрын
shell still have a refinery in Australia that supplies only shell and liberty. but if I run out of fuel in front of shell, I would get a jerry can and walk to a different petrol station.
@Hutchy868 ай бұрын
@@nickycrea6075 why?
@mkarafi18 ай бұрын
The simple answer is Yes. Modern engines have knock control systems that allow for the engines to run closer to MBT depending on the fuel type. So lower quality fuel = less spark = less performance.
@nhraandnascarfanatic59073 ай бұрын
Unless it’s an older or a performance base vehicle.. 98 might aswell be a donation to the servo in my eyes
@shauncochrane81597 ай бұрын
I have a heap of scrapped cars and some have premium and some have normal, the ones with normal after sitting for about 6 months the fuel gunked up into a black tar almost, had to take the fuel pump and fuel lines apart to clean it, don't use normal if your car is going to be sitting for a while
@kingjulian15498 ай бұрын
Based on those numbers I’d just fill up using both 95 and 98 each consecutive fill and save a few bucks.
@makhuvelelazarus23458 ай бұрын
Here in South Africa we have 93 as entry and 95 as top of the range
@essendon728 ай бұрын
Yeah I drive a 2021 Mk4 Focus ST which takes 95 and 98 RON. I see a notable difference between these two. Especially off the mark.
@Mongoose5408 ай бұрын
it would be interesting to see what a RON/Octane booster to 98 could do for performance like the STP Octane booster or similar.
@TheStigHCE098 ай бұрын
Ford's own literature states that the Raptor will only output the full 292kW of power on 98RON. They don't state how much of a power drop from using 91 but there is one. I feel like it would have been interesting to have another car that wasn't a high performance machine just to really double down and prove the point that its not worth your money spending on premium fuels on a car that runs on all of them.
@benkmori8 ай бұрын
I had a 2014 Lexus 300h Hybrid, basically a Camry , I used 98 most of the time , but I did drive from Melb to Brisbane, and tried 91 against 98 , I got a bout 80kms more on a tank of 98 ron , motor slightly more punch , but not a performance motor ,
@andrewlevine88167 ай бұрын
Should of mention about the cleaning properties as well. I always put a tank full of 98 in my petrol car every few months
@semklm75798 ай бұрын
95 in my 2023 swift...runs much sweeter than 91....98 doesnt seem any better than 95 so 95 it is
@rameshmenon54858 ай бұрын
Hi Paul. Good question to answer but maybe could have been examined better. Firstly you should have been blinded to what the fuel is to reduce personal bias. It would also help if there are more than one participant. That Ampol funds the "trial" does not help as they would surely like more people to buy their more expensive fuel. The result of a good comparison would help choose fuel for most everyday cars and not the performance ones.
@regsmith35358 ай бұрын
Hi, I do enjoy your Segments, thankyou and keep doing a great job.
@kspau137 ай бұрын
I am more interested in seeing the difference in the claimed cleaning properties of the 98 fuel and if it is truly better for the engine. Project Farm video in a different setting suggested these higher octane cleaning fuels were better as long as the engine burnt it properly, but it did result in higher engine temps on some engines with greater wear on seals, exhausts and rubber/plastic items under the hood/bonnet.
@adamroberts91598 ай бұрын
Was more interested in fuel consumption on highway rather than just performance, If the fuel consumption is significantly better the expensive stuff might end up costing the same, on a cost per km basis
@LIFEat1108 ай бұрын
Also interested in this
@juliandlamb8 ай бұрын
Another excellent video Paul, the results were interesting. You kept referring to affordability, and I’d really like to see that point tested. I’ve always understood that the premium fuels, whilst delivering better performance, also delivered better economy and so could in fact be more affordable. How about you partner with Ampol for a longer treat to determine a cost/kilometre comparison?
@rickb3148 ай бұрын
There's plenty of data already on the internet on this exact issue. The consensus is that premium fuels will yield about a 2-3% improvement in efficiency but when you consider they cost about 8-10% more than 91 you'd really have to have a performance car tuned for 98 fuel to get the benefits. Filling your average everyday car with 98 over 91 is a waste of money.
@tareskisloki85798 ай бұрын
It's not something you could give a consistent answer to, over the years I have been buying 98, I have seen the price gap be anywhere from 5 cents to almost $1, it became even less consistent when they started adding ethanol to the lower grades (most BP's don't even have 91 anymore, the minimum being 94 using an ethanol mix).
@aaroncruisyazz81818 ай бұрын
I only put 98 BP in my raptor. My 0-100 times have been all over the place. My best time was 5.1 seconds and it actually felt like it was that fast. The rest of my times have been anywhere from 5.7 - 6 seconds. I don’t know what I did differently to get that quick time but I can’t replicate it for some reason. I’ll check again after the Herrod upgrade coming this Thursday 🎉
@coreyw4278 ай бұрын
What did you measure with?
@aaroncruisyazz81818 ай бұрын
@@coreyw427 it was on this app called GPS race timer. Probably not very accurate. I had another crack today and only manager 7.6 seconds. It felt slow too. I do get the feeling that my raptor is inconsistent when putting the boot into it. Like I said that one that registered 5.1 felt really fast. Missus was in the car for a few runs and she said the same about that run over the others.. same settings too
@coreyw4278 ай бұрын
@@aaroncruisyazz8181 Yeah I reckon it’s probably the app giving inconsistent results to some extent. I would suggest getting a Dragy if you want to get good measurements. Not overly expensive and works really well - have got one. This is what Paul is using in the video.
@zapher0078 ай бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong but the difference from 0-100 was 0.72 seconds and the quarter mile was just 0.53. Does this mean the 91 octane fuel was quicker from 100-150 hence more power and the main difference was traction off the line?
@creke20078 ай бұрын
Only ever put 98 in my cars, best way to sleep well at night. Hey Paul the number plate holder, im awaiting delivery of my new Raptor, how did you customise this so is not hanging down over the radar sensor? Plate attached at the top or the bottom. Love your reviews btw. Thanks!
@RandomActsofGibberishАй бұрын
A real world fuel consumption comparison between the 3 different fuels would be nice please. Based on 1/4 tank again. I'm interested to know what the real world figures are between fuels as daily driven, not track driven.
@mindsnare19828 ай бұрын
Would love to see this with E10 for cars rated for it.
@mindsnare19828 ай бұрын
@@wanderer397 I've definitely read a LOT of conflicting details on it. Given the price difference to 95 the efficiency difference would need to be vast
@itsSpiiCe8 ай бұрын
Seems like it could be beneficial to just use 91 when going on a long trip and day to day use then only use 98 for when your going off-road or just looking to have some fun.
@LIFEat1108 ай бұрын
Great video, would love to see a similar video on fuel economy for 91 vs 98 in the raptor.
@tonygreen82218 ай бұрын
Great test. I’d always wondered how much difference it really made. 👍
@froggy01628 ай бұрын
If a car has a map for 95 from the factory, it will usually run on 91 in a safe reduced power mode. The knock sensor will pull back ignition when it detects detonation. But you get nothing from 98 - the engines are not designed to feed in more ignition timing etc. And you cant increase the compression... 98 is basically snake oil - there is a reason the oil companies spend so much on advertising, its extremely profitable!
@stuartferguson79478 ай бұрын
Can you do a “real world” test, not having fun on a private track day? I’d like to see the results in $ per 100km over a 5000km test. Years ago we had a 2 litre Impreza that gave us an extra 100km per 40 litres round town on 98 compared with 91 but the $ saving was minimal due to the difference in cost, we ran it on 98 because we believed it was better for the engine.
@surefry8 ай бұрын
I am doing this comparison now, after advice from mechanic.
@Sold_a_dummy8 ай бұрын
I didn't expect that much of a change. I thought it was more about engine life. I drive an m240i I always use 93 octane (US) because sometimes I drive spiritedly and want to protect the motor. But now I know on your vehicle at least, octane makes a huge difference
@aussie81147 ай бұрын
Only made a big difference on this test because he was driving like a man possessed. Drive normally and it will be a different outcome.
@shanewenzel2618 ай бұрын
yep got told about this years ago and thought it was rubbish, back then Driving an EA Falcon i averaged about 470 kms per tank on 91, changed to 98 after a couple of tanks was getting 590 per tank, Later on my BA the difference was only about 90 ks per tank but did feel the performance difference, Great test it is quit interesting the difference between them usually more noticeable over a couple of tanks .
@nickycrea60758 ай бұрын
@@wanderer397 I noticed that where I filled up my little Mazda with 91, I was putting 40-50 litres. considering my tank was not close to empty and the Mazda had a 50 litre tank something didn't add up. I switched it up and put 98 one week and only put 30-35 litres in. same amount driving similar fuel. lets say 95% of people blindly fill up with the cheap stuff but only get 90% of what they pay for.
@manujha47588 ай бұрын
Bp ultimate 98 fan. Really noticed the difference in my ex colleague's toyota rav 4 once.
@jWizard7 ай бұрын
The test results may* not be 100% accurate. To get the max out of these comparisons, usually you need 2 or 3 fuel cycle to let the mixture become full tank of the currently tested out fuel. I think it allows the ecu will have sufficient data to adjust to the new fuel as well.
@tonymustanglombardo95738 ай бұрын
Great video keep up the good work
@RustyDemons19878 ай бұрын
Nice comparison mate. Do you still have rough idle issues? My gearbox occassionally shifts very rough. I also experience rough idle which is also inconsistent but more noticeable and worse in the afternoon during the hotter part of the day. Performance still seems good though
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
Yep rough idle is back. Not as bad as it was - but definitely noticeable!
@simmo60358 ай бұрын
Valve spring issue?
@IanHard138 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to do this as a blind/uninformed test. Have the host/driver not know which fuel is in during each test. Just to eliminate any conscious or unconscious preconceptions.
@giggygiggy13938 ай бұрын
I used to run my VY commo on 91 and it ran like a dog............went to 95 and ran wonderful. I would like to see some Dyno runs with different fuels. With the tank fully drained each time etc.
@joshuavanderham72398 ай бұрын
Could you do an explained video on how to effectively use the Auto function on climate control? When setting the climate control to LO and pushing the auto button, the fan speeds up and doesn’t slow down or do anything else. Not sure how to use this function correctly.
@CarExpertAus8 ай бұрын
Have a video to do with this coming soon.
@Tigermoto8 ай бұрын
We can't even get 91 in the UK. Our normal fuel is 95 RON E10, and our super unleaded is 97/98 RON E5, with Shell and Total super being 99 RON.
@trythis28217 ай бұрын
In my Yaris I noticed no discernable difference between using hinger octane fuels. Just stick to 91RON and use fuel injector cleaner every year or so. Personally, I would use what the manufacture recommends, if I'm not mistaken in your fuel cap it says to use 91RON.
@kspau137 ай бұрын
My car says > or = to 91RON in the cap. What is the recommendation. The greater than or the equal to. I use 98 always as I do notice a difference.
@trythis28217 ай бұрын
@@kspau13 Good that you notice a difference. In my case felt like throwing money away. For most people higher RON is a placebo.
@kspau137 ай бұрын
@@trythis2821 To be honest I am surprised my car even says 91RON is allowed given its a 2.5L turbo with engine rated at 180kw and 390Nm from factory. But hey, im sure the really smart engineers have said its OK.
@rhoderzau8 ай бұрын
I drive the raptor on long dirt roads multiple times a week with plenty of potholes, corners but really can't feel the difference in the suspension settings. Would love to see a video detailing the modes in more detail and perhaps how they differ if you just change the suspension vs changing the entire drive mode to something like "off-road".
@nickycrea60758 ай бұрын
I think you bought the wrong ranger, the raptors is the sports variant and not set up for comfort.
@aezean56188 ай бұрын
Have you ever checked the cost per distance travelled. Sometimes things are not what they seem. We may be surprised the 98 is cheaper than the 91.