Thanks!

This channel is awesome

You are doing the job that Consumer Reports used to do.

I would go so far as Legend.

Truly is a hero.

Good to know. Thanks for posting this.

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This is good info.

Robert L I've got mine sitting on a 2'X2' rubber pad from harbor freight, which they sell for ten bux for four of them, it also cuts down on transmitted vibrations. I move it slightly on occasion as the feet tend to sink into the pad a bit, but it recovers.

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He does that all the time.

Not to mention and oscilloscope and vibration meter. And to think this guy started off his channel doing crazy experiments on a lawnmower engine. Now he's building up a testing lab

Thanks!

Thanks for the suggestion.

@@ProjectFarm i'd like to see more walmart stuff; hyper tough, blackmaxx (they have a generator at my local store for about $468), and so on. The stores are everywhere and the have numerous forms of credit like their Capital One card and affirm, which makes them pretty easily attainable options. But the question is, are they good?

Thanks for the video idea.

@@ProjectFarm I'd love to see a dual fuel generator added to the mix to compare the benefits/tradeoffs of gas vs. propane.

Really amazed that Yamaha wasn't included or another brand like Generac (Generac's tend to be used as whole-house generators).

i would buy a champion over a honda any day The older Honda Generator were good and lasted there inverter generator are JUNK just to replace that one part is more then the generator itself and good luck buying that Inverter part unavailable and the warranty is also a joke good luck with that Honda Generators are very expensive boat ankers if you got to Tray fixes all youtube channel he has a very good video about Honda Generators and why not to buy them he speaks highly about Champion Generators and why they are worth the money over a Honda very over price equipment Harbor Freight is good but its a hit or missed you get a good product or a piece of junk product as for Yamaha never really worked on them not sure how good they are

My only experience with Champion generators is people who think it's a good idea to run one in a campground. Lots of watts for cheap isn't necessarily good. I've also camped next to someone with a pair of smaller Yamaha generators with the parallel adapter and, given their reputation, I was blown away by just how loud they were. For cost/performance/noise I like Wen generators as they are very reliable, quiet, good on fuel, and inexpensive.

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Although China may be getting better at COPYING, Nothing compares with HONDA!

Ok fanboy now get back to your well@@kennethrhodes7143

Predator is better than a Honda. We use both almost every weekend.​@@kennethrhodes7143

@@kennethrhodes7143dipshit: HONDA IS STILL AN ASIAN MAKE 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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$2k is frozen meat? Are you at 1890s fur trapper or preparing for the zombie apocalypse?

Thank you very much!

@Dr Poo exactly he is the real Consumer's Report and I have purchase many items base on his testings

He’s on a mission from God 🤣🤣🤣

I completely agree...Thank you!

Messiah is a bit much. How about, “truth teller”?

I love CR!

Thanks!

Unfortunately Consumer Reports have gone way down hill over the past few years. Doing things like testing many products, but from only a couple manufactures.. all of which are very similar to each other. In the past they'd test products from many more manufactures which is much more useful that rating 20 "vacuum cleaners" (using as an example only) from only 3 manufactures. Canceled my subscription over a year ago. I find Project Farm does a much better job. Keep up the good work.

@@pfitz4881 These days, I consider "Consumer Reports" to be nothing more than PAID-FOR BS falsehoods to get people to buy products." This channel does the real thing, which is refreshing.

@@pfitz4881 couldn't agree more. we can say that about a lot of niche KZfaqrs these days. budget doesn't dictate quality. and quality can't be driven by corporate relationships. PF is quality with authenticity.

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Can I run the Honda EU2200 outside during a rain storm?

@@petergriffin383 It's best to shield it from rain. I have run mine in the rain - although I did put a trash can next to it with scrap plywood board on top on the can to keep most of the rain off the front panel. My current house has a 3 ft soffit over hang that keeps most of the rain off - as long as the wind isn't blowing sidewise.

@@CoolBlue87GT Thank you for the reply

I was under the impression these Hondas came out in like 2015 😂 but that's when i first saw a review on my KZfaq feed

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Impressive!! JB Weld can fix just about anything. lol

@@ProjectFarm j. B. Is my favorite welder!

No duct tape?? What are you people up there?? Animals????

​@@twistedhillbilly6157 😂

@@twistedhillbilly6157 He didn't watch Red Green.

Great video idea! Thank you

I’ve seen videos where they convert the Honda to run on propane considered it for the storage benefit

A lifetime ago I worked at Penco making lockers and industrial shelving. The forklifts in the factory ran on propane because it was safer. I'd like to know the carbon monoxide differences between running on gas v.s. propane with a genny.

ya agreed I'm saving up for a duel fuel myself I'll take the performance hit of propane just need to get the bigger gen..

​@@bansheedearg safe"r" being the key there. You are still combusting oxygen in an enclosed space and producing co (among other things). Think about the whole natural gas/propane oven debacle recently (and the fact no indoor gasoline ovens exist), it's safe-ish, depending on the size of your house, ventilation, season, airtightness of the home etc.

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Could you explain what the dirty electricity means? Is it just not a proper polarity change within the certain frequency?

I too would like to know 🤔

@@alfredotovar8984 It means the frequency is either too high or too low and the voltage has too much variation. I'm guessing the cheapies are using cheap components and less than stellar invertor circuits. There's also probably missing filtering circuits like what the Honda has. Alot of newer electronics will not have a fun time on a generator with too much variation under load.

@@IronArmPanda Actually, it's quite the opposite. Most "newer electronics" are the ones that will suffer least from bad sine waves. Anything with an SMPS (computers, phone chargers, etc) have no problems operating at anything between 40-80hz and really don't care how clean the power source is. "Older" electronics or things like amplifier that often still have linear supplies will be more heavily affected. Most likely anything with a motor as well.

​@@imkaneforever dirty electricity means two things. Here in the USA we have 60 Hertz and 120/240 volts. The first aspect of dirty electricity is called total harmonic distortion. This basically means there are voltages present at the higher harmonics so we can have 30 volts at 120 Hz or 15 volts at 240HZ. These voltages are basically not doing anything to power the load but instead create waste heat which can shorten the life of electronics. The utility grid states that you will never see anything beyond 5% harmonic distortion. That's considered very clean. Portable generators non-inverter type can have harmonic distortion as much as 20%!!! Most low-power switch mode power supplies are tolerant of high THD because they are overbuilt to handle the excess heat. Make no mistake though over time high THD will cause these devices to fail. The second aspect of dirty electricity is RFI. This is especially present on inverter type generators. It's basically the same as harmonic distortion but at a much smaller voltage at a much higher frequency somewhere in the 20k to 50khz region typically. The noise comes from the transistors turning on and off very quickly in order to approximate the sine wave that we would normally find in our house outlets from the grid. This on/off action creates the RFI noise. Normally there are filtering components added at the inverter output to keep the level of this interference noise below certain established industry limits called FCC 15. Sometimes this could cause problems with some electronics. There is always going to be some of this RFI on inverter generators even with proper filtering and can be heard with high quality audio devices. There are filters that you can buy however to make this noise go away pretty much.

I agree

Great suggestion! If there's enough interest in this video, I'll do it.

Dual fuel generators are definitely interesting.

I have a champion dual fuel. I've never run it on propane because gasoline is much cheaper (Colorado). I have modified it for remote start, which also saves fuel. If I was using it for emergency only than I might use propane because more stable storage than gasoline.

I converted my generator to propane as a 2nd fuel option. I test it on propane, and keep the fuel tank empty for when I really need it. Good to have 2 fuel options, although propane is much more expensive than gas.

Thanks for the video idea.

You made a poor decision by buying generac. I worked on generators my whole life and I'll tell you that you never see 30, 40 or 50 year old generec (not sure if they even existed then) only honda and Yamaha. That's alright if everyone was smart who would keep generac in business.

@@anthonynicholich9654 Thanks ever so much for your opinion. Show me a 50 year old Honda 2200, lol. I wanted the most power from the quietest one I could get and this is it. It also has a handy shore power outlet on it. We had a Generac Generator at our house for 28 years and it was fine.

The Hondas are on sale right now for $999

@@mveaglespirit Asking me to show you 50-year-old Honda 2200 is like asking to show you a 50 Toyota Prius! Your question doesn't make any sense. Just like 50 years ago Toyota had a Corolla Cressida and a Pickup Honda had different models of genitors then. I am most likely wasting my time with a low intelligence grown man like you having to explain this! If you had any intelligence you would not be believing the generac is better than Honda to begin with so of course it's time wasting for me. I can show you a models of Hondas that a 50 years old like EX 400, 500 EX Ex1000 EX2000. Honda's first generator on Canadian and US market was 1962. Where was genetac then? I bet you are one of those people that have a Chrysler or Ford in the driveway believing is as good as Toyota and Honda. If I was you I'd be careful where you say generic is better than Honda or Yamaha because people might laugh at you.

@@SeaPro360 Not a bad price, but I don't need one now.

Thanks for the suggestion.

@@ProjectFarm no problem I hope you have a great day

Great suggestion!

I agree we need help on what to buy

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Thanks, will do!

I second this request!

3rd!

Guys, what's about fridge on 18v platform like Makita, DeWalt or others?)

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YES!

Thanks for the suggestion.

that would be incredibly expensive.

You saw it. Generac is Chinese just like the off brands

@@thetazva I guess we need to buy a bunch of stuff and donate a bunch of money.

I second that

Thanks for the feedback.

ME TO....

I've heard good things about Yamahas> Thanks for sharing. Would have been cool to see that one in the mix

Not sure where you are getting that price on the Yamahas. They are similar to the Honda price.

@@SiXiam Just bought a Yamaha 2200 @ $1,299.00 US + tax

We always use STABIL in the fuel and we always run the carburetor completely out of fuel before we store it and we've never had a problem in 20 years

​@thecloneguyz yeah but Taryl fixes all showed all fuel additives dont work. Its really just ethanol in the fuel or not that matters

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@@happydogg312 "you never know..." In this case, you might discover you need 3500 watts... or whatever.

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Thanks! Thanks for the constructive feedback.

Thanks, will do! Glad to hear!

As a vibration analysis you must have a vibrator up your @ss all the time 😂😂😂😂

Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.

I agree here, Champion and Yamaha are 2 other big ones along with Ryobi.

You can see how clean the oil was when it came out of the Honda too. The other generators had much darker oil.

@@volvo09 yea, that's not surprising between those two brands.

The champion is junk. I was really hoping the Firman would be tested, by the paper it seems to be the best value option. I imagine the generac would also be good. Yamaha is great, just as good as the Honda. Has more weight due to piston design then the Honda though

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Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

I'll do it if there's enough interest in this video. I'm finding myself breaking the budget every month. lol

Pls do more on the cheaper gens we can afford better

I'm currently shopping for a generator so I stopped here a few months back to see if there were tests. Those costco firmans and Cabela's champions are tempting

Most people seem to really like the Champion brand , also ...

DuroMax XP12000EH please

Thanks for the suggestion.

I like that clear pressure washer hose from Tractor Supply ... Seems pretty tough after several years use and best of all... Does not leave all those black marks all over anything not black like cool decking and concrete.

Been in the Water Blaster industry for a few years... Flow rate is negligible in a hose... the important things is that the ends have not been over crimped (and even then that often doesn't affect output flow/pressure, but will increase pressure of the hose at low pressures (like when using a large "soaper" nozzle to use the detergent venturi (often built in with a cheap machine. The venturi requires a high pressure on the pump side and a lower pressure on the output side (to create a vacuum on the output side that sucks the detergent in through a non return valve at the end of the plastic pickup hose... restrictions in the hose can act like a nozzle which can increase the pressure in the hose enough that the venturi ends up with the same pressure on either side.. so no vacuum, no soap. (This is why you have to use the "black" nozzle on QC nozzle units to get soap... and thin hose (usually 1/4" (measured in ID not OD) hose) does effect the low pressure)... 3/8th (industrial standard) can run up to about 30m long before pushing all that water through ends up leveling out that pressure either side of the venturi again... I personally hate venturi's. Spray and walk away.. then pressure wash later!)

@@TheButlerNZ I decided years ago that if i want to add soap or bleach it is better to do it with a 60 dollar garden tank sprayer that can spray it right where i want than my 3000 dollar pressure washer set up

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Thanks!

Thanks, will do!

Yes and when you need it to start and function in emergency times, Honda is the way to go.

Buy once, cry once.

100%. Gave up cheaping out on tools a long time ago. Buy the best I can afford and have never regretted that.

Yep... That's why I stick with Makita tools. They aren't big on HYPE, but are always up there in performance and always last forever

@@scowell So true...not as easy as it used to be with less options these days. Everything is Chinesium, Mexican, Indian etc. and nothing easy to find from the USA. I blame the warehouses for much of this.

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Thank you for the video idea!

Jackery don't even compare to the others, 500 charge cycles compared to 2,000 for the others. And Bluetti has nearly no customer service based on all the reports.

Add Goal Zero in there too. They're a major competitor.

Would like to see this too!

@@ProjectFarm I second this video idea. I like having a battery backup since the entire thing is self-contained. No gas, oil etc. Nice to top it off occasionally and leave in a closet.

Thanks!

Thanks for sharing.

That would be a very interesting test!!!

good point

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I just ordered the Genmax 4k and plan on changing the oil at 20 minutes and then at 5 hours or so.

Would be interesting, as propane is really the best since propane is cleaner burning and stores forever, unlike gas and diesel.

I am also curious to know if and what the benefits are of propane powered generators, versus gasoline.

I saw a test where a generator was ran on propane and checked. Then on gas and checked. The ammount of oil gunk and wear on the engine was drastically worst running gasoline

I would be very curious as to how the Westinghouse performs.

thanks for the channel contribution🐱👍🏿

You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.

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​@@ProjectFarmI Love to See Comparison of Champion inverter generator and Westinghouse inverter and Honda inverter generator 👍 Enjoy your videos

Yeah MY EU2000i has over 10,000 hours and still runs like new....Also the Honda probably only uses more fuel till it breaks in which takes several hundred hours. The Honda clones probably all have pretty loose tolerances so start off with a lot less internal friction...At the cost of many of them not lasting as long as the Honda's break in period.

I have 2 that have at least 4000 hours on them still going great.

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And EVERYTHING has sensitive electronics in it, nowadays.

You see this a lot on cheaper UPS battery backups. Usually it’s ok for electronics that convert the power to DC since the conversion process also smooths out the irregularities. Some devices with active power factor correction will freak out with the non-smooth voltage, though.

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When powering digital electronics, you'll want "pure sine wave" inverters instead of "modified sine wave". They cost more but are well worth the investment!

Definitely an eye opener!

I got the same one with 2000 + hours , bigest isue i had is ajusting the exost valve about every 1000 hr or so , other than runs great .

@bobmunz7877 no doubt it'll make it that far. Haven't seen any people on KZfaq with more than 150 hours. Cheers bud.

I ran a Honda 2000 for 6 hours a night every night for 12 years and it was used on several jobs running saws and cement mixers. I only had to change the inverter once at the 8 year mark and got a replacement for 200 bucks.

My Predator 3500 has almost 600 hours on it and runs like a top. I put a remote start kit on it which was a great investment. I’d like to see it compared to some of the other brands of generators.

I also have a 5 year old Predator (Harbor Freight). During a hurricane it ran 2 weeks straight. It regularly gets used and is one of the best buys I ever made.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks and you are welcome!

TBO its not necesary, show any mechanic those sparkplug pictures from this video. If they came from a car: 1 engine will do 200+K miles even with modest servicing. 1 engine will do 100k, but will need serviced every 6k on the nose. and 1 of those engines wont make it from one service to the next without an oil top up and fresh plugs. I dont need a generator, but seems clean cut to me ifi did, buy the honda, or buy the cheapest non inverter thing I could find and put up with it, and treat it as disposable.

Check any tool rental shop, and see what small generator they rent out. That's a business model that is based on getting the maximum return on investment from a tool purchase, and it's all but guaranteed to be a Honda. These small generator reviews always ask "Is it as good as a Honda?" If you get a Honda, you don't have to ask.

@@om617yota7 Exactly, there is a reason all of our tool rental shops here in Australia all have Honda 2200 and 7KVA versions in the fleet, clearly they just last the abuse and test of time otherwise they would be using the cheaper ones.

@@denisohbrien he got a bad one and should swap it, i have two predators and neither use oil like his did. i have over 500 hours on one and over 300 on the other and i have never had to add oil between 100 hr intervals. that being said obviously the honda is a better build quality and will last longer, but by how much is the real question.

For the price of that Honda you could have bought 4 genmax generators... you have four times the power and four times the life

Go Honda

Legendary name like Randy Savage. Love it!! Also, thank you for the positive feedback!

@@ProjectFarm Your welcome ! We are very fortunate to have such a non bias channel for product testing

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You are welcome! Glad to hear!

Thanks for the feedback.

I also got a 3500 after looking at the sparkplug im putting it up for sale right now.

Just sold it.

@@dangda-ww7de How much did you get for it?

I bought 1 for $60 at an auction. Works good so far

Thanks for the feedback.

3db is a small but noticeable difference. Takes 10db to double volume

​​@@texasfrontiersman8245dB is measured on a logarithmic scale so 3dB more is twice the impact on hearing or essentially twice as loud. 10 dB represents a tenfold increase, for example 20dB is not twice as loud as 10dB, but rather 10 times as loud.

@@thunderusnighttexes frontier man is right. From a physics standpoint you’re right. You see humans hear in reversed logarithmic fashion and it’s not the same at all frequencies. Look it up, it very interesting. MAF curve is particularly strange.

@@briankissel7661 that's pretty interesting

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Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks so much! Thanks for sharing.

just cant beat a Honda, when we get new equipment at work I get excited when it has a Honda, lol

The 2000i actually DOES have an hour meter. It tells you, in code, by flashing lights when you first start it (on the panel). Count the number of flashes, and that's how many hundred hours it has run. This is a little known trick that can help you find a smoking deal on a used 2000i with low hours. Also, learn which model numbers are made in Japan (another thing the average person doesn't know how to find) I got one with 200 hours for $400.

I tend to attach an hour meter to all my appliances. ;)

​@@PolPotsPieHole Don't forget Yamaha. Also made in Japan and in some cases better than Honda.

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Thanks and yo are welcome!

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Great suggestion! Thank you

I don't have a channel, but I've been testing power stations at home. I've got six of them from Anker, Bluetti, EcoFlow, Goal Zero, and Jackery. The Jackery Explorer 1500 was the first one I got, and I really like it, it's very well thought out and easy to use, but it's a traditional lithium battery. All the others are LiFePo. The small Anker 521 is the one I end up grabbing most often, it's extremely easy to use and very well put together. Both EcoFlows are good, I have the 3.6kW Delta Pro and 1000W Delta 2. The fast charging options on those are their party trick, and they have ridiculous numbers of outlet ports on them. I like the Bluetti and Goal Zero least. They're both packaged well, but fall down on ease of use

@@ProjectFarm Would love to see a comparison of some of these more pricey ones to some cheaper ones. It can be very expensive and many people dont realize the panels are sold separate, but I've found some combinations with the panels and generator for under 300.

Yes, we would love to see a comparison between the battery powered stations. Especially the Bluetti.

I kinda short changed the Projects With Everyday Dave channel. He's not as technical as Will Prowse but he does a good job of making practical use and review videos.

Good points, have a dual fuel option being tested would be useful as well

My recommendation exactly!

agree too- Champion is all I could find for dual-fuel at my local farm supply shop

Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.

Generac is also common here in the states

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for the video idea!

I've been using aviation snips for over 25 years. So far, WISS brand was on my top list but, lately, I've noticed that another company took over and kept the WISS logo. What I mean is, I see a pair of WISS in a BENCHMARK package. They are not so good anymore so, I'm giving TASK a test. So far, not a problem but, they're barely 3 weeks old.

@@Evil_Joe My huge pair is a Malco. Damn thing is around 40 years old. I only had to sharpen the blades once. I just can't find the small ones in Canada. Just those generic ones, you find in hardware stores.

@@rverro8478yea the new crescent wiss snips are garbage. great idea for project farm I’m looking forward to the video!

In my experience using them in work for 20 odd years nothing for me has beaten Midwest ones.

Great point. Thank you

Damn 110 from the Util? Talk about an undervolt. I do not want to see what's at the last receptacle.

my house has 128 volts at the panel. Double pole breaker reads on my fluke at 257

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

If you rephrase the question into comparing a used Honda, to a new China brand, that's how you can get that smooth quiet engine at a low price. I did a lot of research and patiently waited until I found one for $400 at a pawn shop. If I was in a hurry, I could have paid a bit more ($600). From the research I did, a used Honda is likely to last longer than a new China thing, and parts are easily available, as well as videos here, showing how to repair them.

@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Gr8 post, thx, Smart😊

Chinese junk vs Japanese ingenuity equals American entertainment. Go team Honda!

Honda will still be running as quiet and smooth as the first day ten years from now. Genmax and the Predator would have been replaced at least three times by then.

Thank you!! I used to destroy about 1 engine mower every couple of weeks and had plenty of mower decks on hand. Thanks again!

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Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.

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Thanks for sharing.

EU2000i. I have one of those and paid around that so we likely got them at a similar time. It really came in handy for The Great Texas Freeze in 2021. We don’t as yet have a whole home generator. I only thought I’d need a generator for hurricanes. I knew I could run a refrigerator, a freezer, or a coffee pot with it. What blew my mind was it ran our large Breville toaster oven. It was wonderful having hot home made pizza while freezing our butts off. When you really need it to deliver, the Honda does.

@@kevingray8616 -- A word of advice, install a wood heating stove!! Maybe even a wood cooking stove. I have both including an outdoor rock fire pit with implements and cast iron for cooking. If the power goes out here, and it has, I'm warm and can cook, boil water, etc. Oh, a good supply of beeswax candles, candle lanterns, and kerosene lanterns are a good idea as well. I'm not a "prepper" in the normal terms, but I don't trust what's going and I don't trust utility companies. Besides, I live remote and always take precautions..........

@@ironcladranchandforge7292 My house doesn’t lend itself to that. I do have a propane lit wood fireplace and we used that to stay somewhat warm. The problem is that we have an open floor plan with soaring ceiling. Normally it is amazing. Just too much area to heat using a fireplace. Since the freeze I do keep 30 gallons of water in stackable containers. (in addition to some bottled water) That came in handy when the well pump failed on a weekend. I also have propane and some propane cookers; not to mention charcoal and a kamado grill. Like my neighbors I hope to put in a generator one day.

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Thanks for the suggestion.

I think it's safe to assume replacement parts will be more easily available.

Yea me too I bet that's where the Honda truly shines.

I have a year 2005 Honda 2000 generator with 6800 hours on it with no issues other then cleaning and rebuilding a carburetor twice in 18 years of service

My Predator 3500 powered my natural gas home furnace during the Texas Snowmageddon a few years ago for 12 hours (1 tank of gas) at -2 degrees. You can’t ask more from a generator than that!!

Thank you for the video idea!

@@ProjectFarm Please make the contest between dual-fuel (at least) only... home backup gen sets should get away from gasoline, not a proper long-term storage fuel.

I'd like to see that myself. Even with regular factory-authorized servicing, my 11kw Generac has been more troublesome than I'd expected. But doesn't he buy all the equipment he tests? Buying 3-5 home-size generators would get into some serious money.

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Thanks for the feedback. No yard sales. What I don't save for future episodes I donate in my community.

Bingo. The reason for the cost difference is not just materials and production quality.

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Mine has over 3000 hours and still clean filters.

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Just get a second Honda and run them in parallel

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I always put stabil everytime I fill up a gas can, never had any issues. If its something I don't plan to use for about a year or more I'll run it out of gas. Those two things would save people a lot of trouble will small engines. You can get ethanol free gas but its pricey. If you already have a bunch of tanks around, or the bigger tanks I can see the use for the propane ones, but otherwise it seems like a pain.

@@Dan-yk6sy I run ethanol free high octane in my chainsaws as well as my dirt bike. But when it comes to power outages in my area they're very rare. So a generator for us is something that would be on standby for a very long time until it's needed. We already have a small duel fuel generator installed in our greenhouse plumbed up to a 100lb propane cylinder that we bought as a return from Tractor Supply. We fixed the minor problem it was supposedly returned for by the previous buyer. It was pretty much just user error because the guy was an idiot and the generator runs perfectly fine. But we've owned it for about three years and have yet to run it out of need. Ours is a small unit that's enough to keep the meat freezers going if the power goes out. But I'd like to see the performance of the bigger models. 😀

@@Dan-yk6sy you mention Stabil when filling a can... Think I should do that for jerry cans I have filled in my garage, with gas meant for my car? I cycle them about every 6 months but I don't use any additional additives. I never thought much about it, honestly.

FYI, Hutvch Mountain makes a great conversion kit for the Honda generators. Installs in minutes and allows you to use Gas, Propane or Natural Gas.

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