Is a $17 DVD player better than a $600 CD Player? You may be surprised! Sony DVD vs Rotel CD11ii

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@cheapaudioman 10 ай бұрын

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@jungtarcph 7 ай бұрын

Who does the clocking of the music? The DAC or the CD Transport? Some DACs also resample the timing for the SPDIF input, right...?

@tistenp2946 6 ай бұрын

I you believe that you could hear a difference between the digital signal from those 2 players, then you should stop making videos and find something else to do, as your credibility just got cancelled! I couldn't stop laughing at your ridiculous idea!

@laurelhardy4064 10 ай бұрын

One good thing that we can say about the Sony dvd player, is that its power cord is secured really well to the player.

@SyzygyNoon 10 ай бұрын

Yes. In the spec sheet, it clearly states that the cord connection is capable of withstanding 1g with a variance of .9g.

@danlahl 10 ай бұрын

Randy, will you please do a video twirling the Rotel by its cord, just like you did with the Sony cd player? Would like that comparison of the 2 products...

@cheapaudioman 10 ай бұрын

@@danlahl ha. Well that one has a removable plug

@sand0077 10 ай бұрын

Which is annoying being swung back and forth repeatedly!🙄

@mechamania 10 ай бұрын

@@sand0077To be fair, though, it’s not as annoying as deciphering 4th-grade grammar, having just made a direct comparison.

@RileytheBunny 10 ай бұрын

“They charge you more for less features, that is the audiofile way.” So funny.

@Cabal97 10 ай бұрын

This is the way

@jrms60r 10 ай бұрын

Porsche does this also.

@tubinonyou 10 ай бұрын

I am appalled to learn that there is a $650 CD player that does not support gapless playback. It's almost hard to believe that could occur.

@rosemeyer1939 10 ай бұрын

It seems to fail to meet the most basic 'cd player standard'. Gapless playback has been a standard feature of CDs and players since waaaaaay back when.

@crodoc69 10 ай бұрын

I have Marantz cd6007 and there is no gapless playback either. Call me old fashioned, but I don't like that feature. I like to have pause between tracks.

@tubinonyou 10 ай бұрын

@@crodoc69 I don't even view that as a feature... Not having it seems like a huge oversight to me. Imagine listening to Dark Side of the Moon and having it interrupted with a couple seconds of silence several times. Yuck!

@voltare2amstereo 10 ай бұрын

@@crodoc69some songs are ment to follow gap less. Eg pink Floyd the wall

@crodoc69 10 ай бұрын

@@tubinonyou @voltare2amstereo If you want to enjoy real Pink Floyd you should then listen on first press vinyl. Everything on CD is remastered. And vinyl has gaps. That's how Pink Floyd made their songs and albums. And concerts.

@graemeking7336 7 ай бұрын

The weak link in my system is my hearing

@riffraff9000 10 ай бұрын

I still buy all my music on CD, immediately rip them to FLAC, and load the files onto my hard drive, phone, and car stereo. Save the physical CD as back-up media.

@Downhuman74 3 ай бұрын

Me, too. You should try Plex. Leave the files on a single server somewhere (or your computer) and stream them anywhere you want just like any other streaming service. The best of both worlds.

@flaviomaia5377 Ай бұрын

I think so that is the best solution.

@krakrug3958 Ай бұрын

which program do you recommend for ripping CDs to FLAC?

@Downhuman74 Ай бұрын

@@krakrug3958 Exact Audio Copy is what I use but I hear Foobar2000 is nice, too. EAC works in tandem with a program called AccurateRip which has a database of known good rips of most titles to check your rip against to see if you captured an accurate one. EAC also has error correction which gives you a chance to get an accurate rip from a scratched disc. I've gotten 100 percent accurate rips from discs that won't even play anymore. It's really nice. Not every time, mind you, but it's nice to have.

@BrentCahill1 Ай бұрын

@@krakrug3958 I would highly recommend Exact Audio Copy.

@TheAgeOfAnalog 10 ай бұрын

I was fortunate to find a 2004 Pioneer DV-47ai player at a neighborhood yard sale last year for just $10. Barely a scratch on it. I had to buy a remote on eBay for $20, so all in I'm still only at $30. It plays DVDs, burned discs, CDs and even SACDs. It features Burr/Brown DACs and makes even regular run of the mill CDs sound incredible.

@David-bb7mt 10 ай бұрын

Nice find dude

@SyzygyNoon 10 ай бұрын

Dude! There’s a scratch? I’d have talked them down five cents.

@TheAgeOfAnalog 10 ай бұрын

@@SyzygyNoon it seemed rude, LOL

@michaelstanley5215 10 ай бұрын

@@TheAgeOfAnalogYou should have seen my Old Man at a yard sale, nothing was too rude for him

@jimfarrell4635 10 ай бұрын

Those old Pioneers were great. I still have a 757ai in a second system and it sounds grand as a transport and great playing SACDs. I also picked up an ancient 717 to use as a transport for about £30. Those things were built like tanks and have a dual laser system for playing cds, rather than relying on the dvd transport.

@MALI1185 10 ай бұрын

I'm a millennial born in 1985, and I still listen to CDs. In my room, I have a Marantz CD5004 hooked up to an old Harman/Kardon HK3480 stereo receiver, and not only that, I take good care of my CDs, with putting them back in their cases when done listening to them. I don't leave them out in the hot sun or anything, nor do I leave them in the car.

@MALI1185 10 ай бұрын

Oh yeh, and I may still be learning as a young audiophile, but GEE, ask me if i'm surprised that the Rotel trounced the Sony DVD player.

@larryh9525 10 ай бұрын

It's amazing that when you connect something like the Sony to a DAC it becomes a photo-finish with a product like the Rotel. Mating the Sony to an SMSL-SU1 would create an amazing system for $100. That's astounding. This would make an interesting test, get a Wiim Mini and connect it optically to the SU1 (running Amazon Music HD) and connect the Sony to the coax input of the SU1. Play the same track and compare the sound. I'd bet it's a lot closer than you'd imagine.

@Brian_Romska 10 ай бұрын

That’s sounds like a fun afternoon for a nerd like us! I have a WiiM too and I think I’ll give that a shot😊

@trevor245 10 ай бұрын

I mean what do you expect? There is not much gain to be had in the digital part of the cd player. Obviously it's going to sound the same using the same dac.

@tesmith47 9 ай бұрын

The popular commercial music doesn't really deserve

@gazzmanp 10 ай бұрын

I bought a 50 dollar Sony Blu ray player with only a coax out for this very purpose. Works great and sounds great.

@jerryrodriguez5431 10 ай бұрын

Nice video Randy. I picked up a Sony DVD/CD player at Savers for $10. I'm running it through the DAC in my NuForce integrated, and it sounds pretty darn good. Not to mention, I can buy used (but like new) CDs at my local record store for $4 or $5. At some point, CDs may become cool again, and future hipsters will start buying them up.

@paulc9564 10 ай бұрын

Always appreciate Randy's fun & cost-effective suggestions. I just picked up one of the recommended Sony players open box for around $13 (I resisted the urge to dangle the player by the cord)! Works great, but be aware this player has no front information display, so if you want to see track/time data (or adjust menu settings etc.) you have to connect the player to a TV/monitor.

@ReadMoreSayLess 4 ай бұрын

Yes! Excellent point. ...no info displayed. Wonder if the info would appear on a Sony receiver.

@ChrisStoneinator Ай бұрын

@@ReadMoreSayLess My dad owns a Sony UBP X800 and a matching receiver for home theater purposes, and no it does not display audio disc track info. I find it unacceptable to require a TV to operate a HiFi. Biggest oversight by everyone recommending these as such. Worst part is that the player doesn't even default to disc playback; you have to go down one on the main menu and press OK, blind. And sure, you can do that... but not an acceptable compromise for something being used as a dedicated HiFi. And that's before you even consider settings menus.

@funkho8756 9 ай бұрын

Thanks! I love to listen to music, and I want equipment with quality in mind. I find myself on your channel constantly as you point me to things I don't feel bad about spending my money on. I hope you continue to bring people to that step a little higher than whatever is handed to them. This gear really helps to feel what the artist was trying to convey.

@UTILITARIANTVUK 10 ай бұрын

I've performed this test with a Sony UBP x800 4k Blu-ray player , using it as a CD transport only. It sounded as good as any CD player I've ever had.

@clarencehoover6748 10 ай бұрын

Randy, how quiet is the Rotel’s CD mechanism? Can you hear it spin and index the laser when your listening space and music track is quiet? I have an old Sony DVD/CD player used as a transport and that is my only gripe with it.

@1980JPA 10 ай бұрын

I've used thrift store CD players for years. Some used to be $80, and some used to be $300. If they have a digital out I grab it and hook it to my bifrost DAC. Pretty much every single one has sounded the same... they all sound great. I've found that my DAC is what makes the difference. Thanks for spreading the hack that I've been using. I've been yelling it from the top of mountains, but you have a larger "mountain" lol.

@michaelkeefer4293 10 ай бұрын

I bought a "high quality" Sony Blu-Ray player a few weeks ago to mostly play CDs on my home office system. I'm running the coaxial output into a Fosi Audio DAC-Q4 and it sounds pretty darn good to my ears, certainly more than good enough for spinning CDs while I work. 👍

@mkshffr4936 10 ай бұрын

Big fan of records and CDs myself. Kind of enjoyed tapes too. I have a Philips DVD player that I picked up at goodwill for $5 that I used for testing and quickie setups. Back in the day we would have been delighted to have something like that for inexpensive high quality listening.

@modelrailroadingrevisited 10 ай бұрын

Is it worth pairing the Prozor 192KHz ($13.99 on Amazon which you've reviewed before) to this Sony DVD player? If not, what inexpensive DAC would be better than the internal DAC? I use this DVD player in my garage paired to a vintage receiver so pretty much background music.

@alexanderg26 10 ай бұрын

As a child growing up in the 80's I feel you on the nomenclature of CD player vs transport. Never heard the term until a couple years ago and just thought people were saying it wrong. And never bothered to look up the difference..... The more you know... hehehe

@josephpardue6277 10 ай бұрын

I did not want just a CD player, I wanted player that did SD Audio as well. So I bought the Sony UBP-X700/M, which is a 4K Blu-Ray player/Streamer/DVD/CD/SA CD player for less than $200. Love you videos Randy!

@jeremi96221 9 ай бұрын

I'm planning of going that route, any complaint with the player? does it have gapless?

@tjblues01 9 ай бұрын

@@jeremi96221 I have X800... No complaints per se... but there are few things worth to mention. Digital out does uncompressed 24/192 but only in 2 channels. If you want to play multichannel SACDs you have to use HDMI. And if your AVR / processor does not support DSD through HDMI then you are "limited" to 24/176.4 PCM. I don't use this player as a streamer.. but it's WiFi is not the strongest (or my unit is faulty?). It doesn't have a display. So you have to have a TV (or PC) hooked up to it. cheers

@Pidalin 2 күн бұрын

@@tjblues01 If digital out doesn't support more than stereo, then it's pointless to have it on blu-ray player. I think there must be some settings, it makes no sense to me, modern 5.1 amplifiers don't even have separate inputs for separate channels, there is sometimes just optical/coaxial in, so it must support 5.1

@tjblues01 Күн бұрын

@@Pidalin To be clear, I said: "Digital out does *uncompressed* 24/192 but only in 2 channels." Digital coax supports *compressed* 5.1.

@allanflippin2453 10 ай бұрын

Randy, There is one factor affecting results from cheap DVD/CD players: How they deal with disc defects. Once a CD starts going wonky, the quality of the transport makes a lot of difference. A cheap one may mistrack horribly while a better one can play it without any problem. Also, there's the issue of CD/RW. Many cheap players can't deal with these, while a quality CD drive or transport has no problem.

@dtracy03ss 10 ай бұрын

Also keep in mind everyone that a Quality CD player will normally have Firmware updates available even when you buy a Brand New unit it is Always good to check. Yamaha Midrange CD players that Skip on some CDs are not Defective but need the latest update!

@maximilianmustermann5763 10 ай бұрын

That's why I only rip CDs to Flac with Exact Audio Copy. You never know how much error correction the player or transport applies. It's amazing how many errors a cd player can mask by "guessing" the bits that it can't read correctly. It takes hundreds of those errors until you will actually hear a significant distortion or weird sound. When you rip with EAC in secure mode, the drive reads every sector twice and in the event of a mismatch, keeps reading that sector until it gets a match. In the end, the result hashes are compared with two online databases. If you get positive matches from both databases, the chance of reading errors is basically zero. The only downside of EAC secure mode is that it's rather slow on drives that buffer audio. And unfortunately, you can't really find any new DVD/Bluray drives anymore that don't buffer audio. I am lucky to still own two DVD burner that don't buffer audio, so I can rip with 20x speed in secure mode.

@allanflippin2453 10 ай бұрын

@@maximilianmustermann5763 Thanks. Very interesting!

@lukasg4807 6 ай бұрын

@@maximilianmustermann5763 It doesn't "guess" any data, it's redundant data on the disc.

@waltergist8923 10 ай бұрын

I use the Rotel CD player in one of my setups and I like it very much. One caution: the CD tray does retract automatically after a short time. That's great I guess if you are worried about leaving it open but not so great if you open the tray and then fiddle around a little bit deciding on the CD you want. I have managed to accidentally time it just wrong so that the tray clamped down on the CD just as I was sliding the CD in. No real damage but a little scary. Also, I think you mentioned Cambridge Audio CD players. Perhaps they have changed but the six year old player I sometimes use is not gapless. It is great for 98 percent of the CD's I play but for 2 percent, like the last half of the Beatles' Abbey Road it's annoying.

@melprophet1936 10 ай бұрын

I have the Rotel CD-11 Tribute. When I bought it from Crutchfield, the drawer closed automatically anywhere between 10 and 20 seconds after it was opened. It was different every time. I contacted Crutchfield, and they spoke to Rotel which said that wasn't normal. It's programmed to stay open for 1 minute. They took mine back and exchanged and the replacement is fine.

@janath9118 10 ай бұрын

I had Marantz CD 6001 CD Player which has the same feature of automatic drawer closing. But I found this feature as a bit of a hassle, because it sometimes takes a while longer for us to decide which CD to play next. Therefore this feature must be included as a switchable option.

@waltergist8923 10 ай бұрын

@@melprophet1936 Interesting. I think the issue with mine is more like a minute. I'll have to check. Mine is from Crutchfield as well but I didn't think about sending it back. I am trying to cultivate the habit of deciding on what I want to play before opening the drawer.

@pliedtka 6 ай бұрын

Some of the Cambridge machines unfortunately don't play gaplessly, be aware.

@danielwoodard680 10 ай бұрын

This channel always provides info on how to obtain good equipment that provides excellent sound. Thanks for the constant stream of new ideas, with high-end audiophile worthy humor. (I did in fact buy a wiim and some SSCS5 upgradable speakers. I blame you for the cheap thrills)

@blackpearl2133 10 ай бұрын

I have this exact DVD player hooked up to a Sony STRDH190 receiver. I’ve always thought it was good enough, but your video now has me thinking otherwise. I’m assuming I’d have to have a DAC since there are no digital inputs on the receiver. Can you recommend a decent DAC that doesn’t cost too much. Thanks!

@videoguy8958 4 ай бұрын

@cheapaudioman I too play my CDs using an old Sony combo dvd/cd player. I figured I’d improve the sound by connecting it to a Schiit Modi dac. Since the Sony is not hooked up to a tv I have no access to the settings menu. My Q is once I plug the coaxial out cable from the Sony to the dac is the internal Sony dac automatically disabled? I ask because, unlike you, I wasn’t blown away by any sonic difference, so I’m just wondering if there are Sony settings I need to adjust. Thx. Dave

@RadThings 6 ай бұрын

Great review. I was at my local Goodwill thrift store and saw a brand new Sony dvd/cd player with digital out with both coaxial and optic for $6.99. I use it as a cd transport hooked up to a YGGDRASIL OG DAC. Sounds amazing and can’t beat that price.

@aakardigi9 Ай бұрын

Which is the (jazz)soundtrack that was used in video in between? Can you named it

@makemoneywoodworking 6 ай бұрын

What cord do you use in the Sony digital output and where do you plug in to the back of the amplifier? Thanks for the video!

@DoubleMonoLR 2 ай бұрын

What to use just depend on what digital output(s) your player has, a coax spdif cable(basically just an RCA cable) or an optical(toslink) cable. Both will sound the same, personally I prefer optical though as then there's no potential ground loop hum, which could indirectly affect the audio, and just isn't ideal in general.

@SPetersonImages 4 ай бұрын

Randy, thanks for this video. I've been thinking of buying a new CD player such as the NAD C 538 to upgrade my very old Toshiba SD3109 DVD player but now I'm wondering if maybe its worthy of a new DAC to connect it to?

@MichaelLivingston-me 10 ай бұрын

I recently bought a Pioneer Elite DVD / SACD player. I use the coaxial output to connect into my Onkyo 7.2 receiver. I'm very satisfied with the sound quality just listening to CDs.

@paulfisher4660 10 ай бұрын

i have an arcam alpha 9. yup, quarter century old+. cambridge DM100 DAC a better sounding option for 2023 ? the arcam is sometimes droning a little on quiet passages and on some cd's it digital stutters. 99% of the time its running, but i am thinking i need to do a cheap upgrade ?

@randomsuper 10 ай бұрын

Coax out into a quality dac can sound amazingly good. I still listen to cd's from my Sony 400 disc cd/dvd/sacd changer into a SMSL dac. The sound quality is better than what I get listening to the same material on Qobuz.

@riccitone 10 ай бұрын

This was really helpful. I keep avoiding the possibilities of a cheapo option as a transport. Maybe you could try using an external dvd/cd drive into the Eversolo DMP-a6 via usb and do a comparo there too? Some have actually modified play stations to become very effective transports. I personally have a digital player (Pi2 Design Mercury digital transport/streamer) that accommodates cd playback via external cd/dvd drive, but still need to update my software to try that. But those can get noisy- depends on the kind/type of ext drive. So, still wondering about ways around getting an insane transport - even though I know I’d love one, still can’t justify a Jay’s audio player or even cheaper atm.

@gizmo903 10 ай бұрын

This is a great topic thanks for covering it!

@timf-tinkering 9 ай бұрын

I'm puzzled by the whole "gapless playback" thing, and why there are some players that don't do it. CDs contain a continuous stream of PCM audio, with a separate subcode channel to tell the player where the track boundaries (among other metadata) occur within that stream. There are no actual gaps in the audio recorded on the CD, so why design a player to hesitate when it comes across a track marker on the entirely independent subcode channel?

@MALI1185 10 ай бұрын

Oh, and sorry for my trio of comments, but there is an older DAC on the used market that I have my eye on known as the Mcintosh D150. If i were to use that DAC, would a Sony BDP-BX37 bluray player as a transport, or would you recommend a better transport for a DAC of that level? I ask because I have champagne taste on a beer budget.

@dexon555 10 ай бұрын

The benefits of a dedicated CD player vs a DVD play is the basic operation. For example the DVD player takes a lot longer to read the CD and make it available to play, also the controls on DVD players are very minimal at best, because it’s designed for TV menu use and remote use only. On a dedicated CD player, the dis is available to play very quickly and you can quickly use the play and skip buttons before you leave the machine for your listening position. DVD players are also loud during play back (especially the cheap examples) so if you are listening to music playback at lower levels or quieter sections of the music, you can clearly hear the whirring in a loud annoying manner. I own the Rotel CD11 Tribute and I’m absolutely in love with the quality of the sound. If you love CDs (like I do) there is no substitute for a dedicated CD player.

@tango_gru 7 ай бұрын

Buy a decent quality CD transport and instead of putting money into a quality CD player put the money into a Nice DAC. Theoretically this should make you change your mind.

@superunknown2812 5 ай бұрын

@@tango_gruI agree

@36424567254 2 ай бұрын

@@tango_gru problem is, no one sells affordable cd transports, which is stupid. If you want to spend less than like 600++€ for just reading cds, you actually have to pay for DACs twice in most systems since most amps already have a DAC and so do most affordable cd players.

@tango_gru 2 ай бұрын

@@36424567254 if you a power amplifier instead of an integrated amplifier then you will always have a better and cheaper system. You will avoid one DAC more also.

@Pidalin 2 күн бұрын

Yeah, these are valid points, my father has some CD player from Pioneer and when you close it, it starts playing in like 2 seconds and it's absolutely silent.

@Simon_Hawkshaw 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for your perspectives and keeping physical media alive. I'm going to stick to a high quality internal blu-ray drive in my PC and rip my cds to NAS for around $175. Many ways to skin a cat. Have a good weekend, Sir.

@mrkitewine7700 10 ай бұрын

The current dedicated cd transport I have manages to play the troublesome CDs that my other players had difficulty with. Certain tracks would always skip, but the transport manages to read them. I don’t know if it sounds any better, but that is one bonus.

@darkoresnik75 7 ай бұрын

How does a Blu-ray player with only HDMI out compare and would it be using an internal DAC or the receivers DAC?

@emmottataolcom 7 ай бұрын

ok,heres a question. when I see the question,"can you play a CD on a DVD player"., the answer is always, yes, you can,but it wont sound as good as it would if you played the same CD on a dedicated cd player. so why would I but a cheap sony DVD player to begin with? wouldn't it be better to start with a cheap dedicated CD player to begin with, then soax into the S.M.S.L.SU1? am I missing something here? help me...

@tommanseau6277 10 ай бұрын

I got to do an experiment with a really cool salesman at a hifi store back in the 90's. It was a $300 Sherwood Newcastle CD player vs a $2000 Krell CD player going into Krell pre and power amps & B&W Nautilus 804's & this was about mid 1990's. It was an amazing system. And once you equalized the line level out it became essentially impossible to discern the difference between them. And it wasn't just the 2 of us. Multiple customers came in and had the same reaction. We told them what was being done and they couldn't tell either and it was because the output of the Sherwood was using essentially the same AD converters. BTW, if you're wondering about the reason for equalizing line level comment, it's because the Krell had balanced XLR outputs. That's a whole other discussion. Essentially the balanced out output was at a higher voltate, but sonically the same.

@pliedtka 6 ай бұрын

But funny enough all players connected via digital out sound different, the biggest difference is when I use Panasonic BD player (mid range price, AKM DACs). The CD and DVD players sound almost alike, but the Panasonic has very bright/overly detailed signature - 'special DSP post processing' or a distinct feature 🤔

@tommanseau6277 6 ай бұрын

@@pliedtka All indications pointing to a bad DAC. If the digits are the same coming out of the disc, then the only place it could really change is the DAC. That CD player I mentioned had a then industry leading DAC, a Burr-Brown. Sounds like that particular unit you have has a bad DAC or alters the digital information of the disc. In other words, it filters the sound negatively.

@laika25 10 ай бұрын

Question is... which xTrnal DAC? (to keep it within budget?)

@jm.101 29 күн бұрын

My setup is DVD to HDMI to optical out on TV to Audio receiver, and finally to my ears. Is this a decent setup? I figure I’m using the DAC in my audio receiver which is probably better than the DAC in the DVD player..

@jjchmiel78 10 ай бұрын

I like how you pointed out the digital transport aspect. Same goes with SACD when paired with a receiver/processor that supports DSD. I personally enjoy music better in my setup using my Marantz DAC for both CD and SACD using room correction and my sub integration rather than Direct analog or taking the analog into digital for room correction and then back out to analog. I use a Reavon UBR-X200 for both video and audio and they to have Texas Instruments DACs only 192kHz though. My mains are old school JBL S312

@dalerupright8641 10 ай бұрын

My 1980's Sony ES CD player finally died several years ago so I've been using a $250 Sony Blu-ray player for CD with my 1990's Rotel pre-amp and amp. I have been thinking about getting an outtboard DAC, any recommendations? Or maybe I should just by a Rotel CD player?

@christopherhachet5184 3 ай бұрын

Geshelli labs.

@ChrisStoneinator Ай бұрын

Lol do not buy a modern Rotel, they use computer-spec rip-and-play optical drives, and don't have gapless. Amateur stuff.

@Tanner_SD Ай бұрын

So, I'm not exactly sure how to go about setting up a station built around the Sony dvd player in this video. I found a dac that seems to be considered great for the price- SMSL SU-1, and I think i understand how to pair them together? What im confused with is, if I want to listen to my CDs with this setup through my IEMs, how would I do so, I don't see a headphone jack on either the sony or SMSL SU-1? Is that where getting an amplifier comes in and if so, what is a good one around our under $100? If i don't need a amplifier to use my IEMs with this set up, could someone pls explain how? Sorry ive never done a CD setup, but really want to!

@iancurrie8844 10 ай бұрын

Running the HDMI from a blue ray player into your receiver would also be equivalent to the SPDIF, wouldn’t it?

@ChrisStoneinator Ай бұрын

Not a big fan of HDMI as an audio interface, unless it's I2S or you have isolation and reclocking in the chain. Mind you, you'd probably want to do the same with coax SPDIF unless the device outputting the signal has it covered.

@alanturnbull5668 10 ай бұрын

Informative video, thanks. I've probably got the $50 "very high quality" cord-dangly Sony blu-ray upgrade version of yours. CDs sound pretty crap, for reasons you've described I imagine, and I miss having a display (I have to turn on my TV to navigate), but question about coaxial versus HDMI - it's either or, I expect, and is one preferable to the other? All I know is that my receiver has a "32-bit/384kHz digital-to-analog converter." By the way, hearing that there is a cd player that doesn't play gapless blew my mind - to me that means it's broken (can't play Sgt Peppers or Abbey Road, for example... not that I'm a fan or anything). I'm hoping to pick up a vintage cd player with the optical digital out cause I miss the late 80s look.

@Jules-kv2sf 10 ай бұрын

How can they found different if you're outputting the digital signal to the same DAC, the sound should be identical?

@ChrisStoneinator Ай бұрын

Not necessarily identical, but it sure does remove the vast majority of the differences!

@nickbutler9943 10 ай бұрын

Using a Harman Kardon FL8400 5 disc changer into a NAD 302 integrated... now I'm wondering if hooking the changer up the SMSL SU1 that's being fed by the Wiim mini will make a difference - only issue is both the changer and wiim are toslink.. And where's everyone sourcing new CDs these days? Amazon or elsewhere on-line? Unfortunately all the decent brick and mortar stores (including a couple of great second hand resellers) near me have closed 🙁

@orelove 10 ай бұрын

I own 2 of the next model up Sony DVD players, the ones with HDMI outputs. I run the coax output into a DAC input on my IOTAVX SA3 and the HDMI to my TV, which is connected via Toslink to the Optical input on the SA3. It performs just fine either way. Since I rip all my CDs to FLAC files and then run the media PC into my Bifrost 2 I can resist buying a CD player pretty effectively for now.

@alanross99 4 ай бұрын

I had to come back to this video and leave a comment. I'm a vintage HIFI guy, still rocking my Pioneer system from the late 1970's. That said, I am also an AVR guy, and I have been more into video for the past couple of decades. Watching your channel made me fire up the vingage Pioneer system, so I set it up next to the video system in the basement. My original CD player died a long time ago, so I didn't have a good way to play CD"s on the Pioneer. After watching your channel I started to investigate DAC's and streamers, and added a Wiim Pro Plus and then a SMSL DL200 DAC. Long story short, after watching this video, it dawned once that I could take the Coax Digital output from my Pioneer Elite Blu-ray player and feed that into the Coax input in the SMSL DL200. Moved the Wiim to the optical input, and boom, Now I have Streaming Audio and CD's on the vintage system. I've learned so much about DAC's, and other Digital tech from your channel. Your channel really encouraged me to start listening to Vinyl again as well. Got a new stylus for the vintage Shure V15-type IV cartridge. That lead to replacing the vintage Technics turntable with a new Technics SL-1200GR. I always wanted a SL-1200, and the GR really hit the spot for me. So thanks for rekindling my interest in audio and HIFI. It was such a huge part of my youth in the 1970's and 1980's and it feels great to be enjoying it again!

@G3rain1 10 ай бұрын

Will a dvd player only output at 48k? My experience using TV digital out is they exclusively use 48k because that's the standard for audio for movies. Meaning if you're playing music audio it's often resampling.

@cheapaudioman 10 ай бұрын

cds are 16 bit 44.1 so I'd say it would probably output that. and this is an old school dvd player so I can't say for sure

@rft2001 10 ай бұрын

I've experimented with various cd and dvd players standalone and as transports. By far, the most important thing is the dac. A cheap dvd transport with a good dac beats most standalone cd players and more expensive transports (combined with an average or cheap dac). Most sigma delta dacs rob a lot of the atomosphere, warmth and nuance out music but it depends on the genre. For harder, more aggressive music, I actually like the sigma delta dacs better but R2R, Multibit and hybrid dacs win for any type of music that has space in the recording.

@425gabe 2 ай бұрын

How would I know if the DAC on my laptop is any good? I suspect that my iAudio U2 mp3 player had a better DAC than my current ACer laptop.

@kennethoransky4881 10 ай бұрын

If you've got a pc, is ripping your CDs to flac files also good? I think so.

@cheapaudioman 10 ай бұрын

yes. for sure. I do this to all of my cds and keep them on a NAS for streaming

@danlahl 10 ай бұрын

Randy, I'm sad you did not mention ripping CD's to a NAS at high quality in the video, and then organizing them with PLEX or another library product. I have >500 cd's on my NAS, and can play them on just about any device.... not as sexy as watching a cd tray opening and closing, but far more practical - AND cheap! Better solution imho...

@cheapaudioman 10 ай бұрын

@@danlahl I’ve mentioned that before in other vids. I wanted this more to beginner focused and just talk about players and transports

@danlahl 10 ай бұрын

@@cheapaudioman fair enough Randy. Keep swinging the cd players, love that!

@pervertt 10 ай бұрын

Can mere mortals hear the difference between one DAC and another? In a blind test? I thought a DAC simply converted a digital signal into an analogue one. It's not a stylus. Either it works, or it doesn't. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

@awesomereviews1561 3 ай бұрын

It’s a lot more complicated than that. A lot of videos have been made on the subject. The quality depends on the component, the laser quality/depth of reading, the decoder and many more factors.

@francoisdallaire127 28 күн бұрын

@@awesomereviews1561 But i'm sure anyone would be able to hear the difference in a controlled blind test, it's never been seen before.

@Brian_Romska 10 ай бұрын

Ok, I’ll bust out our old dvd/cd player hook up the J2 and listen to that Quad City DJ’s cd and see what happens 😊thanks again Randy! Hopefully no ‘stalker vibes’ this time, ha!

@pokepress 7 ай бұрын

One thing that might better illustrate the difference between the DACs is to record the audio that comes out of the RCA jacks, import that into a computer, and show the differences that way.

@ferrograph 6 ай бұрын

Better still show measurements from an audio analyser. I find these kind of comparisons extremely ignorant of how minute and inaudible the differences actually are.

@bpalpha 10 ай бұрын

That Rotel is beautiful. One source I've wanted to upgrade is my cd. I'm still using a sony 5 disc changer that I find hard to get rid of. Keeps me thrifting for new finds. Does the rotel come in silver?

@WisGuy4 10 ай бұрын

The Rotel does come in silver. I too am using a Sony DVD/SACD carousel changer for my CD transport, running it into a Geshelli Labs Jnog DAC. 20+ years ago I had a very nice Rotel CD player, plugged into a Rotel receiver, but sold it to buy a brand new Cambridge Audio DVD player. About the time my Rotel arrived at its new owners address, the Cambridge Audio DVD player went on the fritz. After the second one had the exact same problem, my local hi-fi shop stopped selling the Cambridge audio player because every unit they had turned out to be defective.

@CalCobra 7 ай бұрын

I've been out of home theater/audio for a decade (got married, had a kid, life got busy) and I cannot believe how much it's changed in the last decade! SO I could take my Sony X700 4K DVD player with a coax digital out, pipe the digital out to a DAC and I'll have audiophile output from my CD collection? Couldn't my Onkyo AVR do the same thing? Gen X'er here and managed to keep most of my music CD collection, curious to learn how these DACs will improve sound quality. .

@DoubleMonoLR 2 ай бұрын

CD players with spdif output were available in the 1980s, so that option has been available a good amount of time ;) CD data has always been capable of audiophile quality, but like any format it's dependent on the original audio recording/mastering of course. Even most audio engineers couldn't tell the difference between a normal CD and 'better'(higher sampling rate etc) digital audio fed to the same very high end audio system. As the guy running it said, moving his head about 10cm made much more difference than the source. Yep, your Onkyo AVR would do the same as an external DAC, it's just a matter of which DAC is best, almost all are excellent though. DAC is just a Digital Analog Converter, the actual DAC chips inside can be very cheap but still be very high spec. Likewise any player is going to sound the same over digital, as long as it can read your CDs ok.

@christianwilliamson9752 10 ай бұрын

Do you know anything about the dac in Xbox 360. When I play dad's it has 3 options for digital audio. Pcm and dts and another. I always thought it sounded ok. Any input?

@adsph 10 ай бұрын

Great take here. I have some older dvd players not to mention cd players. Can’t wait to start different hook up situations and hear whatever it is I do. Time to purchase a decent dac and find out and use my old players as transports. All the best Randy.

@robertmillar8246 10 ай бұрын

Hey Randy, I own a Sony 608ESD, CD player that I got on sale back in 1988 for $600.00 Canadian. It has the analog plus the Digital output (optical). The retail price was $1299.00 as it was Sony's top CD player at that time. The quality of the build plus the smoothness of the tray mechanism was the main reason I bought it. It has been a great player for the 35 years that I've had it. My receiver that I've had for about the time is a Carver HR 752 which more powerful than most at that time. The sound quality through my Bose 601 III speakers along with the sonic holography button on the Carver gives me incredible sounds like I'm in a live studio. Sonic holography on the Carver is an analog feature that acts like a digital output. I also run a pair of Polk audio monitor 4s as the B speakers option which kind of gives it a surround sound feel though it is analog. I love your channel. Cheers.

@anthonyyoung626 2 ай бұрын

The key takeaway watching this video for me was the dramatic improvement in sound using the coaxial output of the player to the coaxial input of the preamp or integrated amp, and why doing that improves the sound. Thanks so much.

@Sammy-34079 2 ай бұрын

back then we had to use cds on a dvd player cuz there no way to listing to music on a tv back then now days we do lol

@williamperdew4746 10 ай бұрын

When did cd players do away with optical digital outputs? I thought they were better than the rca type digital outputs.

@mrmojorisin8752 3 ай бұрын

So what external DAC do you folks recommend? Love the idea of high fidelity at 1/20 the cost. Who wouldn’t?

@DoubleMonoLR 2 ай бұрын

Why not just the one in your amp?, unless your amp is all analog of course.

@markrhodes4329 10 ай бұрын

Can you recommend an affordable good sounding DAC that takes a coax digital in and converts to RCA outputs?

@johnstump2433 10 ай бұрын

Your Band-Aid is matching your shirt this morning! Your color coordinated 👍

@cheapaudioman 10 ай бұрын

Yes! Thank you!

@1mctous 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for supporting The Vinyl Attack! I have my own T-shirt from Chris.

@MikeDS49 10 ай бұрын

I need to see proof that the digital stream out of really high end transports are digitally superior than a very cheap one. If they did, how do CD-ROMs work 100% of the time over all computer transports? I've used used DVD players as transports for a few years into the DAC of a NAD T755 or Yamaha RX-797. Some players out of the early 2000s look pretty sweet, with all the transport controls on front and with a relatively informative VF display. That said, nothing beats the tactile feel of a nice CD player with a big informative display, a solid, smooth gliding tray and immediate actions after a button is pressed. Besides the UX, I do not think there is any difference.

@theshadowman1398 10 ай бұрын

Using my 90s Sony bookshelf CD player and will continue to do so. These days only a couple of brands make a bookshelf size CD player and the prices are outrageous and quality is questionable

@adamant3844 10 ай бұрын

I have virtually the same identical looking Sony DVPSR310p DVD player and I compared it to Philips CD 160 with the at one time revered TDA1541 dac chip. The sound from the Sony was better when both were tested with Vibrapod isolators and the same quality interconnects. I don't know if the age of Philips (1987) played a part in it's performance but am surprised how well the Sony sounds in comparison.

@WildernessMusic_GentleSerene 8 ай бұрын

YES! I have the same Sony player, I could not believe it had a digital output for that price. I have a large CD collection, bought an entire new system in the mid-1980s just to play that first CD. So thrilled with the lack of noise and dynamic range I bought hundreds of CDs. It is in my kitchen system, but going to bring it over to my livingroom with a Schiit DAC.

@mrcyde 10 ай бұрын

This is great information! Thank you Randy!

@MrSlicer2424 10 ай бұрын

If a Cd component or streamer is transporting a digital signal of 1's & 0's to a DAC , why would it matter where the digital signal of 1's & 0's originated? Wouldn't it just be the same digital information deciphered by the dac?

@ValdemarDeMatos 10 ай бұрын

You can find several reviews on what are the differences between cd transporters. There’s the clock thing, the energy, and other stuff that can interfere… things that our ears will probably never perceive but our wallets do 😅

@maximilianmustermann5763 10 ай бұрын

Audio CDs, in contrast to Data CDs, contain almost no error-correction information. That gives them a lot more real estate for music, but it makes reading them perfectly rather difficult. A CD player/transport has a lot of room to "error correct" (=guess) whatever its reading. And you'd be amazed how much guesswork can be involved until you actually hear an error. Like a real distortion or weird sound. The only perfect way to extract the audio from a CD with a budget drive is to rip them to FLAC with Exact Audio Copy in secure mode. The author of that program has spent years in developing methods to circumvent the pitfalls of reading Audio CDs on computer drives.

@davids.816 2 ай бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed the video. You have a really comfy aura about you plus the presentation and structure of the video reminds me of old school youtube

@Sammy-34079 2 ай бұрын

back then we had to use cds on a dvd player cuz there no way to listing to music on a tv back then now days we do lol

@brrryan2908 2 ай бұрын

I'm glad you demonstrated the all-important AC cord dangle test! ;)

@Hush99 10 ай бұрын

What DACs did you use with the Sony player? Just curious.

@albertochalbaud2643 7 ай бұрын

Great Idea, my old 1988 Technics CD player passed. I hooked up a Samsung BD J 5700. Long story short, it's spdif output sucks, and then I conducted the signal through HDMI to the RZ series from Onkyo and what a difference. Now I can hear a very detail playback on my B&Ws.

@maximo90019 10 ай бұрын

Today’s debate and honest discussion is your competitive advantage over any other media form on the subject. Keep it coming!!

@tango_gru 7 ай бұрын

What if I have a good quality DAC and I just need a really good CD transport ? Which will be the best transport for my use case ???

@holgerhansen5643 Ай бұрын

Sony BD 350 Dac Project Dac FL Sounds Great

@Joel-m777 10 ай бұрын

Would be really interested to hear what you think of the Schiit Urd cd transport?

@gregmarcus3064 10 ай бұрын

Amen Randy! Amen! I use a 5 dollar 2nd hand dvd player. Just a tip. If at first, you don't have a DAC.( A DAC is a must when using a DVD player as a transport device and running it out thru the Coax output.) Plug it in your TV to see the menu and put all the cinematic sounds to neutral or zero. A lot of DVD players have a lot of sound adjustments in the menus that can affect the sound coming out of it. This was used do enhance the movie watching experience. Do that first. Once you get a DAC, you have the peace of mind that the DVD player is just a plain reading and transport machine.

@mattupload5808 10 ай бұрын

second this

@pedge66 10 ай бұрын

To be honest I’m a bit shocked that the emotiva CD player doesn’t play gap less, very annoying if you’re listening to Dirty Deeds for example. I recently shelled out on the Audiolab 7000cdt and have noticed a real improvement from my old Marantz 63 running through the same J2 dac

@llchristubell 10 ай бұрын

Agreed. No CD player should put gaps in.

@rauldon4596 10 ай бұрын

Nice. I own the audiolab 9000CDT. An end game.

@bgroovin1343 10 ай бұрын

That was the exact reason I didn't purchase the emotiva. I wasn't looking for anything fancy since I was going to use it as a transport anyways. My only criteria were coax out and gapless. Ended up buying a Yamaha unit.

@bgroovin1343 10 ай бұрын

@@rauldon4596if I ever upgrade I think that is what I'm going to get.

@pedge66 10 ай бұрын

@@rauldon4596 I bet

@stargator4945 3 ай бұрын

How would a Sony X700 bluray player end up, which is also a SACD player....? I want to omit to have a BR DVD and CD player in the rack.

@cheapaudioman 3 ай бұрын

I’m sure it would crush it. I don’t know how sacds would work on the digital output though if you’re going to an external DAC.

@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 10 ай бұрын

I'm a vinyl seller but I collect CD's secretely. In Canada the common price of used CD's is around $1 and that's 75 cents american. I mainly focus on private pressed CDs home brew stuff as that's what's replaced the tape and demo vinyl record for the last 25 years - but they are so ubiquitous I can get killer mainstream titles on CD any day of the week still. It's also a great way to hear albums I wouldn't spend the money on for a Vinyl pressing until I demo it ... Streaming does NOT mean better - the 'lack of interenet connection' is just one of several issues .

@luisbarao 10 ай бұрын

What was the DAC you run the Sony DVD through?

@mr.jazzfusionhiphop1298 10 ай бұрын

Recently bought the Sony BDP-BX370 for $35.00 to replace a broken Blu-ray player. To my surprise CD's sound great and it even has Optical and Coaxial inputs. Can't see spending $600.when I can put a Flac file on a USB and get CD sound quality.

@chrisveltman1795 10 ай бұрын

My hifi journey has had a similar path to yours (minus creating a huge YT channel). 3 years ago, I thought I’d spend a max of 1-1.5k on my whole system. But now, my system is definitely more expensive than my first car , Andrew Jones Salsa and a Pomeranian… and I have become completely ok with that reality. Because my system is a lot better than what I had when my system was 1.5k. And, if I’m honest, I really do think it is now much more enjoyable. BUT, I now only upgrade to components that my whole family actually uses, and that is the greatest challenge.

@catdeddy8427 10 ай бұрын

CDs and DACs: I have a no frills Yamaha CD player that I hooked up via optical directly to my new KEF LSX II’s that send bass to an Emotiva Xs8 sub. The sound was unsatisfying, so I attached the player via its RCA’s to use the Yamaha internal DAC and it was slightly better, but still not up to snuff. Then, I dug out my She-It Modi 3 and used Yammy’s optical output to feed the Modi. Believe it or not, the Yammy DAC gave more soundfield and definition in the mids and highs. So the Modi went back in its box in the closet. That’s when I ordered a Geshelli with Sparkos chips. The J2 beat the snot out of the internal DACs and it beat the She-It out of the Modi 3.

@silkhead44 9 ай бұрын

why didn't you compare the dvd palyer via coaxel out to a gisellilabs dac vs the rotel?

@shipsahoy1793 10 ай бұрын

Newer iPhones haven’t had a DAC since they got rid of the headphone jack. There’s a “little” DAC circuit in the lightning to headphone adapter, which is not great, but not bad considering how small and cheap. Some are better than others, but the actual iPhone version is considered reasonably good for its price.

@cefarther3945 8 ай бұрын

I've got an old DVD player and was hoping to see how to use desktop computer speakers with it, lots of questions.

@Bigheadedwon 10 ай бұрын

25 years ago I bought an open box Sony DVD player from Best Buy. Saved $50 and whoever returned it had left a movie in it so I got a free copy of American Pie too.

@bozersgal 10 ай бұрын

but....no recommendation of a decent inexpensive dac to try????...and no mention of which of your dacs you paired??? My 1990 Adcom was finally used to death and, according to the service center, no replacemet laser could be found. So I have an old Sony or two to try. Being old school I have 40-eleven pairs of speakers and components, but (sob) I am a dac-less woman. but wait...I lied...I was given an Andover Songbird so I could stream from my old college Pioneer 737..it has a Cirrus Logic dac with analog ouputs...so can I use that?

@jmad627 10 ай бұрын

I use a Pioneer DV-563-s. Got it for $43 in the original box with the remote. Sounds nice and warm thru my Pioneer SX-780. I’m very happy with it.

@GadZookz 10 ай бұрын

CDs are the best choice for the post apocalyptic lifestyle provided they don’t get melted and your player survives the EMP. Better enlarge the bunker though. A few thousand CD cases means less room for those delicious canned beans.

@GoggleAX 10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@cheapaudioman 10 ай бұрын

keep it in a faraday cage and you're all good

@1mctous 10 ай бұрын

Your bunker mates will thank you later for eating those beans😉

@GadZookz 10 ай бұрын

@@cheapaudioman How about a ferret cage instead? The ferrets can go build their own bunker.

@ProfessorHamer 10 ай бұрын

No, a portable DAP with microsd card is

@BrianHall-Oklahoma 9 ай бұрын

I just got the Eversolo AMP-D6. I installed a 2TB ssd in it for ripping my CDs to flac files. Plugged in a really cheap USB DVD drive (~$35). The ripped files sound great. Then I noticed that the Eversolo had the option to play CDs directly from the cheap USB drive. The CDs still sounded great, no noticeable difference from an Onkyo CD player (~$350) using a Modi 3+ dac. I think it is crazy to even consider an expensive CD player or transport. Bits are bits. Spend your money on better dacs / speakers / headphones.