well it'd be a better idea to load the pan with the D-10, and then switch it out to a rubber tired or tracked tractor for the haul. or maybe just push the frickin' thing with the dozer in the first place? and D10? really? 'ive seen double bowl scrapers pushed with a D8 is shitty dirt...

It had been refurbished a while back and then sat for a while. Was an old 631 scraper which had suffered a burn out on the front end

Very hard, compacted material. A D11 would have been better, but more expensive and as there are only two in the UK, very rare

Drop the box - that’s how all the old school muckshifters slowed scrapers!

Because they were only running it for a week or two

How many operators are being paid here vs your method? how many engines are burning diesel and wearing out here vs your method, how many transmissions are wearing out here vs your method? what are your 2 operators doing when its wet with your method? this method has the lowest cost per cubic yard of mateial moved up to a certain haul distance...so many closed minds in this earthmoving game

@@Gavin84w I spent years on dozers and towed scoops back in NZ, definitely the way to move dirt in the right conditions, diggers and dump trucks were not thought of back then. In real crap material you top loaded a scoop with a dragline. They still use dozer/scoop combos over there, sometimes a LGP dozer on pyramid plates towing KOKUDU scoops in some situations.

I run a couple of Komatsu LGP - pull Scraper units in the summer season, removing topsoil and clay for future use at our controlled fill site in the Waikato nz. Great for poor underfoot loading conditions and short haul runs. Run a Cat 613B with them tidying up the ends and tight areas

​@@Gavin84w Excelent answer, I fully agree with you. 👍🏻

this is really dumb. track wear is an abomination...

HAHAHA you know nothing

So you'd replace a single D10 and box with 2x D10 and I assume 4 651s because it is unproductive... Tell me how you equate 6 engines, 6 lots of transport, 6 lots of wages, diesel and servicing over 1 as unproductive

Typical reply from someone who doesn't know much. more than what's out their front door

@@RPAMEDIA there is no world in which a dozer (esp. a D10!) pulling a scraper is cost effective, unless maybe that is the only two machines you own, and then a subcontractor that actually has modern equipment would be a better idea. track wear is a nightmare, not to mention operator comfort. there are so many other configurations for bad dirt. i have moved plenty of bad dirt in my time, and this was never even considered. and we didn't even have the newer MTS and K-Tec stuff back then. come to think of it, who's even using CAT scrapers anymore? the MTS and K-Tec stuff left those in the dust bowl of history.

You really have a bee in your bonnet about this! Just chill out. It's not your job. Not your money. Not your country. All parties involved here are experienced muck shifters in the UK, they know the cost implications and happily use the kit they have at their disposal to make a good living from it. Plenty of people globally still using CAT scrapers.

You Cannot Educate Pork