An Incredible Chess Problem 😮

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Puzzle FEN:
8/5R2/1r6/8/3R4/q5kp/7p/7K w - - 0 1
Puzzle Details:
Y. Hoch, 1980
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@mono1931 Жыл бұрын

anyone notice the exact same position is on the board in the background?

@ashvinla 9 ай бұрын

Couple of questions: 1. In an actual game, how do I realise that I need to seek a draw instead of trying to win? 2. How do I see the difference between RC1 and RE2? Does that come with practice?

@strange9863 5 ай бұрын

if u lose your piece for nothing you might seek a draw

@yyyy-uv3po Жыл бұрын

A really peculiar puzzle! I would have needed several magic blueberries to solve it.

@soogers Жыл бұрын

Assuming your elo is 100 and assuming u meant like 5 blueberries, you would have 2500 elo. If the multiplications didn't stack together, you would be 312,500 elo. (The magic blueberries multiply ELO by 5)

@shreyjain3197 Жыл бұрын

magic blueberries dont exist grow up

@rockmcdwayne1710 Жыл бұрын

@@shreyjain3197 Who knows these days. Some individuals are suspected of putting things in their anus... whos to say you cant swallow couple of ''berries'' that start beeping morse code in your gut?! Call it... magic.

@hassanalihusseini1717 Жыл бұрын

@@shreyjain3197 They do....and better than Hans Niemnanns method. 🙂

@soogers Жыл бұрын

@@shreyjain3197 Know what you're talking about bruh There's a series on this channel involving magic blueberries, that's what we were talking about

@prathyush4583 Жыл бұрын

nise puzzle! i thought i found some loopholes, but when i went back and checked, they were all covered.

@philippevanelderen6052 Жыл бұрын

I was about to ask the same question but then realized that when the king moves it's no longer defending the h pawn hence rook b1 is no checkmate

@Qoko88 Жыл бұрын

Crazy qeens and rooks is probably the weirdest tactical concept chess has: one of the reasons I'd absolutely hate for the stalemating rule to change (which has been called out for a couple of times). In this case, it shows that planning a deperado spree is necessary at times which is, looking at other games of similar origin just a mind blowing concept. As for the puzzle itself, I got the Kf3 line quite quickly, but seeing the subtleties in the Kf2 line went over my head.

@foisalmahdi Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the qeen is my favorite piece

@prithvirajs Жыл бұрын

It’s annoying but the rule makes sense

@dragansimeunovic3255 11 ай бұрын

Great analysis

@gamerplayer3 Жыл бұрын

although its pretty hard to do so in a game this is a good example as to why doubling up pawns is bad (especially at the edge of the board)

@alexanderklychkov6716 Жыл бұрын

Ok, I heard about this case. It's named "Frantic rook" 😅

@ianorr1388 Жыл бұрын

Quite Incredible.

@dermexikaner9279 Жыл бұрын

Agree.

@aguirejamiryo-bf7jt Жыл бұрын

Indeed so

@stockpisces Жыл бұрын

Yep

@stockpisces Жыл бұрын

But easy to see sacrifice for draw

@BobChess Жыл бұрын

This is an incredible puzzle. Which rooks should be moved which checks you should delivery are the main ideas of this puzzle! If you move the wrong rook or wrong check, you lose.

@aidangraham9270 Жыл бұрын

At 2:53 there is a quicker way to draw the game with RG3+ KxF4 and RxA3 but as you said black with best play will play the other move

@ParthkrGarg Жыл бұрын

yes i thought the same you win the queen but you also loose a rook and black will secure 1 pawn so you wont be able to draw.

@dieschachbrettfee2060 Жыл бұрын

@@ParthkrGarg Actually the situation would be the same if Black plays Kf4 at 2:57. I think it's a draw because black won't make progress after securing the pawn.

@ParthkrGarg Жыл бұрын

Yeah actually black will losse the pawn as well and then both will have one rook And i think it will be a draw not sure about rook endgames

@dimitriskontoleon6787 Жыл бұрын

@@ParthkrGarg easy draw from sure not even need to watch endgame tablebase the black have to lose the h2 pawn next move, and the H pawn was full guard from king.

@JustAnotherCommenter Жыл бұрын

Don't you love it when there's a crucial h2 pawn from your enemy that you want DEFENDED and every move you keep sacrificing your ROOOOOOOOK just to keep yourself (as the king) trapped?

@christopherheckman7957 Жыл бұрын

I got to do something similar in a tournament game. I blundered early on, and my opponent swarmed in, surrounding my king and taking most of my pieces. The fun (for me, playing Black) begins with the position 8/7k/4R3/2N1B3/1P4R1/2PP3P/r1K2P1P/8 . White blundered with 43. Kd1?? Rd2+ 44. Ke1 Re2+ and I keep my rook on the second rank, checking. (I capture the pawn at f2.) When I got to 48. ... Rg2+ (White king on g1) 49. Kh1 Rg1+ (not Rxh2, because Bxh2 releases the stalemate) and no matter how White captures the rook, I'm stalemated.

@brianbeltran7337 9 ай бұрын

At 3:03 when you illustrate e3 you can come down and check with g3 and once the kings moves out of the way the queen falls.

@come.inside.me.join.now. Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah a great puzzle from Chess Vibes 👍

@WithYourArms Жыл бұрын

Hi nelson love your vids!

@user-fm3no5gm9t 9 ай бұрын

INCREDIBLE!

@shady8045 Жыл бұрын

this one was really good, well done

@shreeshaurya1270 Жыл бұрын

this type of chess puzzles makes my mind bow🤯

@user-gm8qm8dv4u 9 ай бұрын

5:59 but nelson you can go on c file for couple of moves and keep checking with your rook and keep sacing it so it cant go under the queen

@virgodem Жыл бұрын

The stalemate wasn’t exactly the only trick white could use to draw. It could also trade the rook for the queen if the black king was far enough. Then the white king could take the two pawns and it would again be a draw.

@virgodem Жыл бұрын

Also at 2:10, if you use the left rook first to fork the queen and king, with the intention of getting black to take with king and skewering to take the queen, black will simply take with the queen.

@aaronscott7467 10 ай бұрын

If the black king ever got too far at the end it's actually a win for white because you can checkmate with just a king and a rook

@sirranhaal3099 Жыл бұрын

Now that was a crazy puzzle

@magicmulder Жыл бұрын

The funny thing I got the first couple moves right despite only being a lowly 2000 player (and waaaay lousier at fast time controls).

@NoobNormalGuy Жыл бұрын

So amazing!! 🤯

@Reversed-Reality Ай бұрын

5:35 rook e5 also makes a stalemate right after queen takes

@kiffygreene4598 Жыл бұрын

Could you still get a draw after check on E2 by taking the pawn with the rook and queen can’t take bcuz she and the last pawn would be captured

@ahmetemirylmaz9115 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was hopeless but Nelson, you tricked me!😂❤💭

@reubenmanzo2054 Жыл бұрын

2:50 What about Rg3+, skewering the queen?

@VoidDragonFunds Жыл бұрын

Me getting deja vu:

@locrianphantom3547 Жыл бұрын

I looked at the thumbnail for 5 minutes. Just find a way to sac the rooks. Rf3 obviously because black is forced to take that, but idk how to sac the other one before checkmate.

@f3m7ar 11 ай бұрын

Kf3 line, if black leaves the queen hanging for the second rook attack (fork): that option was not explored. Stockfish is disappointed. It has many potential if you are not thinking as a human.

@awequayzngs1780 7 ай бұрын

The beauty of Chess !.

@fantomghost6213 4 ай бұрын

Nice puzzle

@bhavadharanim9884 Жыл бұрын

Incredible puzzle 🧩

@walterengler5709 Жыл бұрын

You never showed why the Queen pinned due to the king while on row 2 also leads to a draw. Say the king moves. Rook takes queen, king takes rook, king takes pawn, king moves, king takes other pawn .. two kings only stalemate.

@kirilgeorgiev751 11 ай бұрын

Why at 2:56 King F2 doesn't work?

@sergeyshimanovski6883 Жыл бұрын

Great video. There is no way I would find it in a real game.

@MichaelHarrisIreland 3 ай бұрын

A bit like finding a needle in a hay stack for me.

@stonvasila9631 Жыл бұрын

It's not the only way to draw cuz u can also do this backwards with rd3 forking queen and king forcing capture then after qxd3 another forced move with rf3 and then takes with king to f3 and making it stalemate

@stonvasila9631 Жыл бұрын

If black doesn't take rd3 then u take blacks queen and ur already winning

@stonvasila9631 Жыл бұрын

It's wrong actually cuz there's the rook which can mate u and instead of the king black can capture f3 with queen so Im wrong I'm a shitty player and I should quit

@stonvasila9631 Жыл бұрын

Oh I'm actually right if you sacrifice the rooks in the third move u will only have the king making it stalemate cuz the king has no moves yeah I'm great cuz I saw this

@user-fm3no5gm9t 9 ай бұрын

4:13 What if Black continue moving the King? Then White play Rook to e1 or Rook to e2!!!

@prithvisinghpanwar6609 Жыл бұрын

alternate title: how can white farm brilliant moves?

@GuyThatCREATESRandomStuff Жыл бұрын

i paused at 0:09 and i think you give up the rooks so you can draw.

@vantrinhthe1948 Жыл бұрын

0:21 F3 isn't actually a threat, since white can take back with the rook and check, buying white some time.

@mujtaba21_05 Жыл бұрын

4:00 Ra7 Qa7, Rb1 Kb1 stalemate😅

@RUSSIA-007 Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's too good if you want to get mated in one move 😂

@mythbusters866 Жыл бұрын

That is not stelemate Kxh2

@cxpKSip 10 ай бұрын

I was thinking e1c1 c2c1 stalemate, but black can run.

@hyzercreek Жыл бұрын

Ay 2:00 Kxp is pretty good

@Trixbeat Жыл бұрын

What if black plays kc2 after rd7+? Edit: figured it out. Re2+. If black king stays on c file, check with rook on e file, if black king goes to b file, check with rook on d file. Black king can't reach a1 or a2.

@sillum Жыл бұрын

On the queen skewer, cant you just sack the queen and checkmate with the rook if they take it?

@Darthrevan333 Жыл бұрын

There is no checkmate since white can take the pawn on h2

@samirlofty8899 5 ай бұрын

RF4. Re4

@nicholasgad2781 Жыл бұрын

Nelson, I love your puzzle videos, however the recent few have excessively artificial setups. Can you try to do more puzzles from real games? They are far more enjoyable.

@SenseiSathya Жыл бұрын

If Rook on f7 was on e7 its too easy but this tricked me . Like always stay sharp, teach smart and take care !! (Ref:Nelson)

@jebbush3130 Жыл бұрын

Rg7, Kf3, Rd3, Qxd3, Rg3 But I'm not sure about Kf2

@IamExeller Жыл бұрын

Even though I am a 1400 player but I still manages to do all of it right! IT'S NOT LUCK!! It's about deep calculating that I made.

@nwoDekaTsyawlA Жыл бұрын

I thought you would address the case when you fork the queen and king with the white rook, but instead of taking the rook, black lets you take the queen. They still have another rook and the white king is trapped. Perhaps it's trivial but I think we have homework.

@peterhawes9680 Жыл бұрын

I noticed that possibility but if you take the queen, the black rook gives check but Kxh2 is available and you draw easily

@OrganAndyG Жыл бұрын

King and rook vs King and rook and (multiple) rook's pawn is a draw when the king blocks the promoting square.

@zagrosqazy3798 Жыл бұрын

How on earth did a position like this come to be 😂😂🤣 And if you had the chance to look at that 😂

@gamingwithhamim5188 Жыл бұрын

In 2:52 why can’t we just skewer the back king and take the queen?

@alimollahosseini7838 Жыл бұрын

great and cool

@pptai 10 ай бұрын

Black can't checkmate in Qf3, because the rook captured the Queen. 0:18

@tahmidahnafalvi4187 Жыл бұрын

Bro if black king steps out of the way and white rook takes the queen there is rook b1 and the game is simply over for white.

@flyurs1675 Жыл бұрын

Best chess channel

@samirlofty8899 5 ай бұрын

Rd3+ Rg3+

@mythbusters866 Жыл бұрын

2:50 what if Rg3+ Kxf4 Rxa3 is this white lose?

@mythbusters866 Жыл бұрын

Nalimov say white can play draw

@m.z.671 Жыл бұрын

All these stalemate shenanigans are soo boring! I really wish chess had the same "skip" rule as Go, so that any player can skip turns, and if both players skip, well, in chess that would be a draw and in go it's the end and start of points counting.

@aaronbreider4788 Жыл бұрын

Awesome

@morange6837 Ай бұрын

1:21 what if black plays Kf4

@morange6837 Ай бұрын

Nv mind white takes the queen as there is no mate threat

@sahasmajety8857 Жыл бұрын

1:34 you dont take right cus of the rook checkmate threat you cant take the queen?

@sahasmajety8857 Жыл бұрын

so blakc wins right?

@sahasmajety8857 Жыл бұрын

you can always sac the queen cus of rook check mate just ignore the skewer for black

@sahasmajety8857 Жыл бұрын

im 800 elo btw so im prob stupid

@truthterrain3484 Жыл бұрын

At what level can players calculate all this in their mind before making the first move shown here?

@Ibrahim-ld9vz Жыл бұрын

Probably Cn or even im if they are in a tournament

@RitmosMC Жыл бұрын

Calculating it all at once is incredibly difficult, but intermediate players can probably follow steps towards the general direction of stalemate and come up with the correct moves as they go.

@Ibrahim-ld9vz Жыл бұрын

@@RitmosMC yeah but that guy asked at what level one should to be able to calculate it all at once

@YashaswinPathangi-hi4kl 10 ай бұрын

Actually if it was black’s turn at the start of the puzzle black could win

@letsplaycz1695 Жыл бұрын

Somehow i got it correct lol

@GreenMango27 Жыл бұрын

1:10 Couldn’t black just move the king down and sac the queen, once rook takes queen then rook b1 with rook is mate for black no?

@Darthrevan333 Жыл бұрын

White can take the pawn on h2 so it's not checkmate

@GreenMango27 Жыл бұрын

@@Darthrevan333 ohhhh I see now ty

@vgamerul4617 Жыл бұрын

very nice one

@divyanshagrawal982 Жыл бұрын

Continue fisher ,story

@kenzionn.c6366 Жыл бұрын

No the white lose the black just move the rook to check and checkmate

@Anshdhall8932 Жыл бұрын

Rook to c2 I see but I thought rook Can work straight but when I saw rook to d2 I shocked and now I know chess is ultimate game many things matter 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮