94

I have a 96 1.6 that we gave my son. just make sure the differential stays full of fluid it will never quit

My 03 corolla has 325k on it still running strong.

97 is the year for sure, best cheapest car ever made, they are still driving them in the middle east, stands up to the punishment

I have a 97, and even though it burns a little oil its bullet proof at 34mpg

Different sorta whines!

​@@rsbreeze but oddly similar!

And more annoying and more expensive...

Just the opposite, I can't hear anything when she's in the car.

@@tonyt8807 think u missed it ?? I'm saying the whining noise is her

Shouldn't fail,

100% agree, had 2020 GMC Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax and they wanted $1000 to do transmission service. They refused to honor warranty for leaking back window, last GM product I ever buy.

9 speed on traverse also junk.

​@@omasis19 why the hell did you buy a traverse in the first place?

Most of the manufacturers are at this point. Everyone is making trash pretty much, if theyre not then theyre using substandard parts. Were in the dark ages of car ownership.

VTEC. No H

@@DONTCALLMETHAT right. Damm autocorrect, but you get the idea.

@@grapeseed427 I do😂 Not trying to be a dick 😂

Oh don't get Honda in this buddy. All Honda makes is shit now too. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

😂😂😂 so damn true

I like those odds

Just fire up the Malibu and drive it out. It'll be solid for another 20 years while the 2020 models live at the dealership

Can confirm lol. I’ve done it

2ND best transmission 1ST is the TH400

You're

That’s exactly what happened

Yup, both the GM and Ford versions of the 10L80 or 10R80 should be under the lemon law by now. 2018-present are junk. Really makes me wish I wouldn’t have bought my truck which I really enjoy except the transmission problems with less then 90k miles. My wife’s hemi ram is over 130k flawless drivetrain (2012)

Recalls are for safety related issues. Probably won’t be recalled. At most a TSB may be issued.

4 speed is better. But you're absolutely right about the old 300 6 cylinder. What makes them so reliable is the fact that there is no timing chain or timing belt. The timing is gear to gear. Never ever seen one sheer or jump time. Because they cant jump time. They are the best motors ever made. 79 f150

I feel the same way about my 94 straight 6 5spd dodge diesel

I was just thinking the same but couldn't remember if that was the case still. I drive a 2022 manual Ford so I should be good either way.

Correct!

I always thought manufacturers just bought the patent or the parts from a different supplier and used them…getrag, Aisin, Borg Warner, tremec etc

Alot of people don't realize ford design this transmission

​@@ryukuseymour this is about trucks. Not Mustangs or Broncos. Ford hasn't offered a manual transmission, in at least ten years.

Yes lets screw the customer that is paying 40-90 thousand dollars for a vehicle!

That should be worse and warrant a recall.

Not surprised at all…. Once you own the car the dealers don’t want to know or see you ever again and will do the absolute least they can to fix anything

Okay. Call your dealer and tell him to look up the following: "implied warranty of merchantability." Then let him know your lawyer will be in touch...

@@timc9893 Thank you! I am going to keep this in mind! I'm in the market now and am looking to buy a truck outright for myself and an SUV for someone else in September. This is great advice to keep in mind.

I have no problems with my 2019 Sprinter and all my stuff is dry!! Less expensive than a pickup even though it's a Mercedes Benz!!! Why buy a headache 😭

The older 8 speed are even worse. There's no where to hide with GM trannys.

I have a 2018 GMC Sierra SLT with the 5.3 & 8 spd transmission. I have no complaints whatsoever. 18-19 mpg with the range.

Personally I rather have vehicles no newer then 1977 and older even better. I rather put my money into a older vehicle then keep putting more and more money into a new vehicle that never going to be as dependable as the older vehicles are if their taken care of!

​@@warrenlilly2091Mercedes and head ache belong in the same sentence but you've got it all wrong

4L60 was even worse

4l80 is a beast

@@michaelm1573 yeah, I mispoke. Gimme a break it was late. I meant the 4l60 soup maker.

​@@therandomchannel2022 my 4l60e has 324,000 miles on it and is still going

​@@christopherswanson1628 the l60e transmission Works absolutely fine unless you modify the engine or abuse the vehicle. Everybody schitts on it and there's nothing wrong with it. If you actually make some effort to treat the vehicle the right way and keep the transmission from cooking, it works just fine. The issue is everybody keeps adding horsepower to their cars and the 5.3 is pretty much already putting out with a 4 L 60 can handle. If you're going to add a Turbocharger to it then that's what you get. When you leave them alone they work just fine. People forget that a lot of GM Transmissions are in heavy-duty off-road and commercial vehicles. Nobody has an issue with them. It's just the Ford Fanboys talking shit...meanwhile they can't make a work-related reliable V8 engine since literally the 351.

Maybe GM can consult with Schwinn! 😂

Funny that speeds on bikes are decreasing at the same time as speeds in slush boxes are increasing....

😂😂😂

​@@scottpearce7466Not anymore. Schwinns are made in China.

I’ve literally had a 04 accord come into my shop for hard shifting and shaking and it had no trans fluid In it fixed the leak and filled it up and it went on down the road just fine

Did the same thing with a 05 acura TL 6 speed. Noticed a leak, drove to work and went to change the fluid. Well, there was none! Fixed the seal and filled it up and never had an issue.

Crazy Tough units without oil, So I guess know what's leaking.

They already know.

The 4L60 is rock solid, but it did have it's own issues. The stock clutch packs are trash. Typically, the 2/3 clutch pack lets go, and you won't have 3rd or 4th.

My 4l80 is bulletproof.

@@Knight21030 like mine

@@crazyorwhat Yeah, I had a ‘05 GTO where the 2/3 clutch burned up. It was a sad day. Raybestos has an aftermarket clutch pack for the 4L60. That, along with a beefy trans cooler, and you’re gold.

EXCEPTION NOT THE RULE.... 4l60's are typically JUNK...

That's the domestic thinking....we'll "get them" with service and parts after the warranty period. Yet the Japanese thinking is...we'll "get them" with all their future car purchases due to building such reliable cars. You either make money on the service drive and parts and piss people off, or less in these departments, but more in the long run due to loyal customers for LIFE!

They purchase the least expensive parts manufactured to build their products. Ford is not much better.

It's actually a Ford transmission. GM should have stuck with a real Allison.

Probably not. Just looks like an upgrade of gears and possibly a hardened sleeve or bearing could fix that.

@@tomcocciand a snap ring to prevent it from walking

That's why I'd never buy an extended warranty ever again. Back in 2000,I bought a 95 Chevy S-10 4cyl. The head cracked,or it was cracked when I bought it about a week prior. I took it back, and they said they fixed it. I marked the head with blue paint before I brought it back. All they did was dump stop leak in it. I drove it for a couple of weeks,and I found the crack & it was leaking into the #3 spark plug hole,causing a random misfire. Brought it back down there. This time, they replaced the head, but they had the freaking detail shop replace it and didn't tell me. I was pissed when I found out,but I needed the truck to get to work. They assured me that it was done correctly, but they didn't. They had the spark plug wires mixed up. Believe it or not, the 94 & newer Chevy/Isuzu 2.2L will run just fine with the spark plug wires mixed up because it fires on both the intake and exhaust stroke,but it won't get out of its own way if they're mixed up. I figured that out about a month later when I gave it a tune-up. I will never buy an extended warranty ever again. You're better off just saving the money you would have spent on the extended warranty just in case you break down. They always come up with some damn reason(s) why they won't cover it. They're a waste of money and a false sense of security.

That's cool. He will get to replace a bunch of electronics at 32,000 miles instead, and then the transmission at 60,000. Trust me, today's Dodge ain't a 318 Mopar with a 727 my friend.

@@ashes2ashes863 You are correct. Except I don’t trust any manufacturer these days. Even if they want to genuinely make a good vehicle and not cheap out it’s gonna be screwed over by emissions bs. I mostly mess with classic fords, but I would gladly take a Chevy, mopar, or dodge from the old days. The only thing that I’d have to keep fixing would be the mopar lower control arm bushings if you know what I’m talking about.

No need GM ain’t taking a hit on these Faulty designed transmission. They know Folks will continue to buy them regardless of problems

Job security

😂 why they making money

Why they are making money.

The gm 10l80e and the ford 10 speed are two different transmissions

​@@jetmr_5043 no same exact transmission from hardware satndpoint you can even use parts from each other

@@jetmr_5043 of course they are, as they build the 9 speed front drive version of this trans. Ford design is responsible for the 10 speed rear, but it is a problem with the gear being too loose not the idea of it being a bad design. GM is responsible to see the design off paper and getting the parts, assembly and and installation/software. Either the coefficients of expansion are not calculated properly or better would be a herringbone gear and it doesn’t require so much attention to thrust

@@dennis-nz5im 8/9 speed are Transaxles, 10 speed is a transmission. Two completely different units. The GM 10L80 and Ford 10R80 are the same though except application specific parts.

My understanding is, that Ford and Gm developed it together to help meet fuel mileage and emissions requirements for new vehicles. As systems get more complex the fallacy of engineers becomes more apparent. I think they should be required to service the crap they design.

Yep 👍

same, any details on this ?

@@jasesnow still the same . Drove 20-25k miles so far

That is for 6L80 transmissions not 10L80s. The converters rarely fail on the 10L80/90. The 10L1000 in the Duramax-equipped diesels have way more converter failures.

lol

Stop buying GM.

@@jk-kr8jt Precisely

I think it’s an oil/ lube issue. Ford has the same set up and they don’t fail

I think the 10R80 is inherently noisier and that may have something to do with it

Brakes???

@@davidbryant3532 yep I fouled up. When it breaks down first go get Breakfast and then put the brakes on your wallet ectomy!

So does Ford!!! 😂