go find tokyo 1972...close as you'll get

...I think they peaked in 1972-73. The 7th album had too much fluff and not enough true originality. Mongonucleosis, Song of the Evergreens, Italian from NY, Hanky Panky. Terrible. The First side was, basically the only good stuff. Gone was the inventiveness in tunes such as “A Hit by Varese”, “State of the Union”, “Goodbye”, all of which were prime examples of jazz-rock or rock-jazz or whatever term to describe the amalgam of the two of them in sublime balance. These were the songs that evidenced their PUSH, their striving to bring their own new experiments to the fore, all the while making them “listenable”. Chicago VI was also good. “What’s This World Coming To?”, “Rediscovery”, “Feeling Stronger Everyday” were excellent vehicles for bringing out Danny Seraphine’s playing, his tight, in-the-pocket time. I, too, would love to hear their live stuff from 1974. I agree. But as for their peak, at both studio work and live playing, I gotta go with 1972-1973. Also, I saw them live from ‘71-‘75 when they came to Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse. Met them too.

@@jerrymammoser9857 Close ... I would say 1971-1972 was their peak (Chicago III and V).

Is that Castle Rock, Colorado?

Yes, Colorado.

Definitely

@@CastleRockSprinklerService My brother used to live there. He's now in Centennial.

@@oriolesfan129 Your brother didn’t move too far away. Do you get a chance to visit him out here ? I’m going to listen to that Chicago collection today. I have it both on vinyl and CD. I am so ready to go to a live event and see the band again. Hard to believe it was 50 years since that project was released.

To me, the core four are CTA, II, Carnegie and V. III displays great musicianship, but the songwriting is spotty to me.

That is true. 3 is the weaker of the first four or five. However, when the bar is that high, it's almost impossible to pull off every time.

My apologies - I made one slight error for 05). Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is (Disc 6 - Track 5) - it's actually (Disc 9 - Track 5)

Apparently this is no video from the Carnegie Hall concerts. The video clips in the promo was from previous shows.

Exactly.

Lee himself expressed his frustration with the recording at Carnegie Hall. He refers to Chicago Live in Japan 1972 as the complete opposite having better-recording equipment and acoustics. I hope that the 50 years of waiting will finally do the album justice, especially for Lee's sake haha

While I'm certainly looking forward to this set I would have have preferred hearing all the warts as they actually happened. Doctoring it all up just seems wrong.

@@mmee24 They did NOT doctor it all up. The remastered and they made a few corrections.

Hey John - I received the box about a week ago and have completely listened to all 16 discs. I hate to say this, but after all of the flubs (mostly in the horn section on the '71 release), all of these discs have been completely cleaned up. I can't remember hearing one mistake from any band member come through. Maybe someone else has noticed some, but because I'm also a horn player, I listened intently to them and heard no flubs that really stand out like the '71 box did. I, too, was disappointed about that because I also wanted to hear it as it was recorded each night. Of course, hearing Terry's tons of solos on these discs are worth the price of the box. Totally unbelievable in what that man could do on guitar. He never played the same thing twice. I would recomend this box just for Terry's performances throughout. And also, some of the banter between songs by both Terry & Robert can be hilarious at times.

@@zapped56 Thanks for your reply, I might go for this. My first show was Chicago in '73, and all my live shows with Chicago were during the reign of Terry Kath. I still listen to the first 3 albums, plus Carnegie Hall; I thought things really petered out after VII. The 43 years of the Peter Cetera Love Ballad Orchestra, followed by the Chicago Horn Section with Their Backup Cover Band have been of no use to me, so I sometimes forget how Kath could light it up.

@@johnshanley4407 You betcha!! My very first concert at the age of 15 was at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles - August 1972. They were touring for Chicago V and actually played every song on that LP except for Alma Mater. I, too also think VII was at the height of their creative juices although the remainder of the albums with Terry inluded some interesting compositions. After he died, I lost interest and went a different direction, musically. By all means, go ahead and but this set with full confidene that you'll be hearing some amazing performaces. I took notes throughout and have them all jotted down on which discs & tracks in this new box were actually used on the '71 box. Besides Scott Muni's band intro, the first song for the '71 box doesn't even start until the 5th show through the 8th Nothing was used from the first 4 shows. Enjoy!!!

@@johnshanley4407 In case anyone's interested, below is the breakdown of tracks from the new set that were used in the 1971 release. Original 1971 LP Release Side One 01). Tuning/ Scott Muni Intro (Disc 1 - Track 1) 02). In the Country (Disc 9 - Track 2) 03). Fancy Colours (Disc 9 - Track 3) 04). Free Form Piano Solo (Disc 9 - Track 4) 05). Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is (Disc 6 - Track 5) Side Two 01). South California Purples (Disc 9 - Track 6) 02). Questions 67 & 68 (Disc 11 - Track 5) Side Three 01). Sing A Mean Tune Kid (Disc 12 - Track 2) 02). Beginnings (Disc 12 - Track 3) Side Four 01). It Better End Soon - 1st Movement (Disc 6 - Track 10) 02). It Better End Soon - 2nd Movement (Disc 6 - Track 11) (Edited from 5:00 (1971) to 3:28) 03). It Better End Soon - 3rd Movement (Disc 8 - Track 4) 04). It Better End Soon - 4th Movement (Disc 8 - Track 5) 05). It Better End Soon - 5th Movement (Disc 8 - Track 6) Side Five 01). Introduction (Disc 15 - Track 2) 02). Mother (Disc 9 - Track 7) 03). Lowdown (Disc 10 - Track 1) Side Six 01). Flight 602 (Disc 10 - Track 2) 02). Motorboat to Mars (Disc 10 - Track 3) 03). Free (Disc 10 - Track 4) 04). Where Do We Go From Here (Disc 10 - Track 5) 05). I Don’t Want Your Money (Disc 6 - Track 6) Side Seven 01). Happy “Cause I’m Going Home (Disc 8 - Track 7) 02). Ballet for a Girl in Buchannon (Disc 10 - Tracks 6-12) Side Eight 01). A Song for Richard and His Friends (Disc16 - Track 3) 02). 25 or 6 to 4 (Disc 10 - Track 14) 03). I’m a Man (Disc 12 - Track 12)

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Is it just me? I do not like this mix on complete. Hot mess I think. Playing on vintage Marantz 2275, jbl 4311b.

Danny was very underrated as a drummer.

Love Someday and it was never on the original 4 album live set.

The original vinyl release was edited with songs taken from different sets that week. On this new release the Scott Muni intro is first and the band does Someday. We get all 8 performances over the 6 days (Mon-Sat with Fri and Sat having 2 shortened shows each). Most of the shows are over 2 hours except on the 2 days they did 2 shows. Those are about 90 mins. It's all there. The sound is way better than the original.

They simply chose to put "In The Country" as the album opener. Nothing that cannot be done with studio editing. Same thing happens on Kiss' "Alive II": the concert starts on the album with "Detroit Rock City", but the real concert opener for the "Love Gun" tour (from which the recordings were culled) was "I Stole Your Love". Actually, "Detroit Rock City" was part of the encore.

I really hope that they upload the collection via KZfaq, Spotify, SoundCloud, etc. I swear to watch them repeatedly without any adblockers 😆

Go onto the Rhino site - the track listing is posted. My biggest surpise was to see that Jimmy's Elegy Suite from Side 4 of III is performed. That's worth the price of this box. I pre-ordered mine yesterday.

@@zapped56 Oh man...I love that piece. Rhino, take my money.

@@burgessfamily5268 Yes, indeed. Along with Jimmy's Ballet on Chicago II, Elegy Suite is just as good. Where else can you find something like Progress?? with a flushing toilot at the end. Absolutely fantastic!!! But then again, that man never composed a bad piece of music in his life. We're all in for a huge treat with this box set.

Carnegie Hall was only their 4th album; it's not like they had a huge catalog to draw from at that point. The set lists look like pretty much the same songs in slightly different order on some nights. It's a lot of music, but not for that price.