Thanks for this video. It really helps me for my trio. I have two 3/4 Bruce Barnett Sweater with 1/4 McLean Hatch and 1/4 John Bishop Kelso hens and a pure YLH broodstag given to me by Master Marcus of Lodyes Sisiw Academy.
@shannynwiggins84072 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation I’ve found so far and I have been trying to get a good understanding of this for a few weeks now. Thanks!
@ChickenWired2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helps
@berniebass35752 жыл бұрын
I think one answer is keep everything marked,wingband toe punched or tattoos, this way you know what's what,
@frustratedmajority8512 жыл бұрын
I'm like 1 youtube video away from selling a bunch of possessions and starting a game fowl breeding program. Not for fighting but the thought of creating a semi wild free range super chicken it so intriguing to me. I want my property populated by wild chickens that 99% take care of themselves year round. They'll roost in the trees, find their own food, cull themselves, restock themselves, and survive predators. I know its possible
@ChickenWired2 жыл бұрын
I seem to recall another person on youtube who is doing exactly that. I think he was in Florida. The feral chickens of Hawaii and Key West have a lot of gamefowl ancestry
@menyuam_vahchuamas11115 ай бұрын
I have a pair breeding. They are half siblings, sharing the same mom but the dad's are different. But the dad's are grandson's and grandpas. Will this be good?
@noemanzo48318 ай бұрын
Best talk ever.
@simoncrooks74413 жыл бұрын
thanks, I'm going to have to watch that a cuple more times, but good information, thanks
@ChickenWired2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@jonnyhayn333 жыл бұрын
Could you give me tips on starting with a brother/sister pair to start a line?
@georgiadailyr34482 жыл бұрын
After a few generations they lose fertility so after about 4 gens of in add a new one
@mariajesusguzmansalazar87772 жыл бұрын
Look for KENNY TROIANO ....KZfaq..
@rogercoody5442 жыл бұрын
To make a line breed brother sister then pick best stag and best pullets breed them for color or other qualities u want if they come out like u want them then u start best pullet to cock hen to best stag if not breed best brother sister once more
@simonmatthews6652 Жыл бұрын
Thats been a hidden utube jewel easily explained 👍
@HangNguyen-ty7zv Жыл бұрын
I think with your knowledge about color breeding,line breeding, cross breeding, you should make the diagram as bd book for sale
@mrdill7792 Жыл бұрын
I’m assuming these birds would need to be split from an existing flock to accomplish this with any certainty?
@j-quiz292 Жыл бұрын
I did this and had a stag 1/8 cock 7/8 hen1 and the same with a pullet 1/8 cock with 7/8 hen2, bred them and resulted with 7/16 blood hen 1 7/16 blood hen 2 1/8 cock blood Did that with opposing stag and pullet and both offspring where damn near identical with traits I desired and used that to create my own bloodline if you will. Had some amazing results.
@RichardGilbert27273 ай бұрын
Good explanation of what many do. Another way to do it, for less drastic inbreeding, is mate each hen after year 1 to the other hen's best stag. The cock to his best two daughters, maybe, but follow it with him to his granddaughters asap. And mate half brothers and sisters once and then cousins. Oh, and get another pair, or a bird, at least, if the first year's crop pans out. Cockers call parent-offspring matings linebreeding but this is also and primarily intensive inbreeding. Game chickens seem to have been selected to withstand this. All the same, inbreeding to this extent ruins many fowl. Makes them wild, crazy, small, less game.
@juanjoasis3 жыл бұрын
Great diagram. Really helpful. Thanks
@ChickenWired3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@theamerican67245 жыл бұрын
Excellent... Great diagram...
@frustratedmajority8512 жыл бұрын
Semper fi devil
@user-bv8tn2yd3y3 ай бұрын
Same way I've always did it my guy. Someone was badgering me cause I said I don't breed brothers and sisters that I'll keep breeding the stags back to there momma pullets back to daddy
@user-vk4tf5vi6t Жыл бұрын
Hi. I have a question. If you cross two fowl with different color, what would be the color of the stags? Example, a Lacy Roundhead crossed to a Regular Grey. Will the stags be both red and grey colors, either white legs or green legs? Thanks!
@white337810 ай бұрын
Some might be red others yellow, you will lose the white legs and feather color consistency afterwards
@frankmoua9509 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation and diagram. Does linebreed and Inbreeding cause birds to shrink in size?
@Bunny-ns5ni Жыл бұрын
Yes, continuous inbreeding and linebreeding can effect the adult size of chickens
@Jlind93355 жыл бұрын
How long can you do these pairings before defects start showing up? I work with Black Copper Marans and some pairings I get blind, or weak looking chicks. Most of them seem to be related somehow and it is hard to figure out which ones not to breed together. KZfaq just gave me this channel and I find it interesting. Great videos, thanks.
@ChickenWired5 жыл бұрын
Great question. Blind chicks could be genetic weakness due to inbreeding, though it may be outside factors as well. Getting back to your question, there is no set amount of inbreeding where you are guaranteed to see problems like these. I ran into trouble with Silkies one time after only the first back-cross (daughter back to father). If you're able to pair mate and keep records, that will narrow it down. Keep in mind that most Marans in this country are probably pretty closely related. I'm not too up to date on the happenings with the breed, but I know at one point there was difference between French and English imported lines. Whether English stock was discarded all together or assimilated into the French I can't say. But if most people did do away with the English stock then that limited the gene pool to just the French stock. Take into further consideration the heavy selection on egg color and it is likely that there are lines that are heavily inbred already to try to lock that dark egg color in. It is also possible that perhaps some of your breeders are carrying a form of Mareks that affects the eye.
@TheYokiMoki4 жыл бұрын
I know this is old but chicks hatching with no eyes is a single autosomal recessive gene. It doesnt spontaneously manifest due to inbreeding, infact no trait does. If you are hatching eyeless chicks you need to carefully track who both parents of your chicks are so you can find who are the carriers and remove them from your breeding pens.
@davidalvarado58032 жыл бұрын
@@ChickenWired so if continue to breed passed 1/16 on that would mean eventually the cock would be bread out. Is that correct?
@white337810 ай бұрын
Yup you got yourself a disease bother cull that hen
@ricardodelvalle31436 ай бұрын
This can be done with a trio of full brothers. Thx
@nutritionfartsdotorg46695 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Very helpful
@HangNguyen-ty7zv Жыл бұрын
I love your video but I am still confusing
@digitalinvasion4604 ай бұрын
why u didn't cross to their cousins?
@rorymaddoxjr48055 жыл бұрын
great description.
@reeseross36614 жыл бұрын
i m confused..and want to learn more
@ncoaAAAA3 жыл бұрын
search for "la tabla de felch" but It´s not very safe. You will have to discar many birds.
@asillai84962 жыл бұрын
how to make a purebred line, starting with 1 pure hen and 1 cock cross?
@insHektor11 ай бұрын
Can this be done with a trio with same fenotype but different lines ??
@teodoroortal9598 Жыл бұрын
Wow oky pobayan sir
@ChickenWired5 жыл бұрын
macoy sandoval I cannot get your comment to pull up for me to reply directly. For the roosters #1 and #2 They were both the same blood as the hen in the example given. However, you could easily Use one from that hen and one from the other hen as well.
@raffysungarngar36843 жыл бұрын
Is it ok if the first stags offspring will be put to the other hen and not to thwir mothers?
@jttp3623 жыл бұрын
This was a simple and effective explanation!!! Didn’t need to have a PHD to understand you. Thank you very much!!!
@ChickenWired3 жыл бұрын
@@jttp362 Thank you, glad you enjoyed it
@jttp3623 жыл бұрын
@@ChickenWired we have a mutual friend named Kenny
@ChickenWired3 жыл бұрын
@@jttp362 Yep he was telling me the other day he has been talking to ya
@bleedredonlyseegreen10 ай бұрын
3 lines two stags that are sons a hen 1 and then you breed the sons of hen 1 back to her and then you breed the offspring of stag 1 and 2 together and you get 3/4 quarter blood of the mom so a rooster that has 3/4 blood form the original Chicken 1 this only works if that chicken produce cutting machines this is how you produce a high class fighting rooster and save a line or conserve it
@HesedHof3 жыл бұрын
What’s the benefit of heavy linebreeding if you already have a wide gene pool? Just curious
@ChickenWired2 жыл бұрын
line breeding helps to weed out traits or lock in traits.
@HangNguyen-ty7zv Жыл бұрын
Could you make another diagram how to lock the gene
@peralesloft98063 жыл бұрын
Make a other diagram with pictures and more detail I’m interested in forming a family of some good asil/American cross chickens
@ChickenWired3 жыл бұрын
Will do
@jasonreyes68303 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ChickenWired3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@mr.swaringer51852 жыл бұрын
This is about a 2 yr process right?
@ChickenWired2 жыл бұрын
Its a however many years you want it to be project. This just shows you how to start it, from there you continue it as many generations as it suits you
@NaturesFlockingWayFarm2 жыл бұрын
I started with a pair and kept 4 hens out of the 1st generation, but then the original hen died on me. I then bred the cock to one of the daughters and kept 3 pullets and 1 stag . Do you think it's a good idea to breed the stag with the mom so I can then later on start line breeding?
@ChickenWired2 жыл бұрын
you can, or you can breed him back to one of his mother's sisters if you feel they would pair up better
@jerrykates46012 жыл бұрын
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@erickrivera55482 жыл бұрын
Traduce lo al spanich
@forkssports46123 жыл бұрын
This principle could apply when inbreeding dogs also right? I've been looking for a while for an illustration to explain this system to my wife
@ChickenWired3 жыл бұрын
Yes, though I am no dog breeder so I am not sure how tightly dogs can or should be bred compared to chickens. Check out my friend's channel, Chicken Corner, he has been a dog breeder over the years.
@alexnds13 жыл бұрын
in theory, that's how some dog breeds get started, like for example the Doberman was a combination of 3 initial breeds, of Rottweiler and regular Pincher and French Beacueron. The Greyhound blood and Hungarian Vizla blood and Manchester terrier was added later. So it involves 6 breeds to make one, but you had to cross back to " foundation" dogs in order to make the blood pure. However, in dogs, once a breed is started, you don't do this anymore. Instead, you do breeding such as 2-4 (or sire of male is great grandsire of female, or for example 3-2 , this is grandsire of male is sire of female , such as an uncle to niece mating. In other words, mating of father to daugther and back to same father, over and over, or back to same mother, is not done in dogs except in the very very beggining of a dog breed. It's then never done this close again.
@mr.swaringer51852 жыл бұрын
Just my opinion but with dogs skip every other one according to this
@felixalbertocubahechavarri22492 жыл бұрын
Quien entiende eso en inglés
@springersbirds14395 жыл бұрын
Why would you not start single mate breed ing first. Then you will know from the get go what you is working with no doubt on which hen throws better from him. Last year when I crossed Kelso bloods I started out with 3 sister that where 7/8 line bred and I single mated. 2 of the them throwed great but 1 hen didnt they where shorter and sleeker than the other 2 hens offspring. Point being( This on small scale quality over quantity) if I would have breed them all together then how would I know for sure who threw what with out a little guessing. I dont know I am big fan of single mate breeding I feel like then there is no doubt on what happened and what the result was. WHAT is your thoughts on single mating verses group mating????I complete agree on the point of pairing up the traits that you want to complement the other That's the point right. THE Whole point of doing this is Trying to add the traits of one bloodline to the other to come out with a more complete bloodline which you will start your new bloodline(Family)with
@ChickenWired5 жыл бұрын
Oh this diagram is meant for single mating, just showing using two hens and one male. So each hen would have her own pen and the male would be rotated. To me single or pair mating is the only way to go. There are advantages to other methods but I'll talk about that in another video
@springersbirds14395 жыл бұрын
Cool cool I got you. I know different people breed in a little different way than the other ,not saying one is better than the other. But I was taught to always start with single mating when trying to make a new family. Not saying one way is right and than the other is wrong Just wondering what you opinion was on the way to start.😁👍
@springersbirds14395 жыл бұрын
I went fed animals and got another cup of coffee.Sit down and watch the video again Now I here you say pair mate the hens to the cock lol which means the same as saying single mates to cock so I dont know I guess I was just was not quite awake enough to start thinking hahaha I bet you where like what the hell is Springer thinking!! Lol Have good day sir! Guess I was not firing on all 8 this morning.
@ziggyalvarezingalla29332 жыл бұрын
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@white337810 ай бұрын
Your missing a whole lot of steps some ppl will think this is all that’s to it
@R1M1r1m1 Жыл бұрын
So is this common to have inbred chickens? Sounds disturbing.
@ChickenWired Жыл бұрын
any purebred animal is inbred to some degree. they just call it different things to make it sound more agreeable.