Thank you for making this video Hoping to make more videos especially in history

Very informative

Noice

Love that you guys appreciate the historical significance of the ships in your game. It makes it not just fun ... but, educational too!

Nicely done, you even got the pronunciations right. I hope we get an episode from the point of view of Taffy 3.

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my dad was there he can tell ya

@@matso3856 ty :)

I agree, that was missing

Excellent lecture! I hope they can do a graphical version/mix with the very same lecture! They’re a graphic design/game developer after all!

agree quite dense stuff. I was a bit lost ....

If you’d like one with more visuals beyond Nick sitting in a chair, I’d check out Drachinifel’s video on the topic

@@curiosity802 Not just dense: huge omissions of important aspects while including all sorts of irrelevant details. A bad rushed job. Never seen anything this bad by wargaming before, nowhere close.

While listening while playing Wows is nice, some visual for those who are watching is probably better

Agree, not some really fancy graphics but something to get your imagination going...

What happened to Princeton also destroyed Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, and Hiryu. Bomb exploded in hangar deck, disabled firefighting systems, and triggered secondary explosions by planes, weapons, and fuel

If you haven’t read the book yet READ IT. It is superbly written, well researched and even after 75years brings tension to nail biting level. Yes, I liked that book😂

It is a PHENOMENAL book! Well researched, written and presented. I still can't wrap my mind around 3 destroyers and a frigate CHARGING an armada of battleships, cruisers and destroyers assisted by the pilots who often did "dry runs" (no ammo) to harass and distract the enemy fleet! That is pure courage, right there! If you haven't seen it, check out Drachinifel's video 'The Battle of Samar - Odds? What are those?'

Dogfights did an episode on this and got interviews with the sailers in the battle. It is very interesting

One of my Uncle's was in the 38th Infantry and had already landed on Leyte. He was up in the hills and saw a good portion of the "Last Stand." Of course, he couldn't tell who was winning or losing he found out later.

The Battle off Samar...also known as the US Navy's "Finest Hour"

It's a quote from the psychologist Maslow, not this dude.

@@whatisitthesedays Maslow wrote that in 1966, but by then it was already known as Kaplan’s Law after psychologist Abraham Kaplan who wrote something similar in 1962. The saying in various forms goes back over a century.

This reply may come 9 months late, but I agree. Nicholas Moran did a good job. He is a talented presenter. And while I - as a devoted adherent of the "beauty in simplicity" school of thought - do appreciate the stark, no-nonsense presentation, I do have to say that a few maps visualizing the area of operation and the movements of the different naval units would have significantly improved the video.

I was like, deadline ? okay let's take a break and enjoy this vid.

I was like ok lets watch some memes and I saw cheiftain and wows I just clicked on the video I am really happy because I live in the phillippines and I live in leyte

I know a plenty of people my age who love history so you shouldn't worry

@@Noisykiller12 that's a good news 😉 thanks

I would like to think most Philipinos remember history as well as I do. we fought side by side and died for each other

@@Magnus_Caramelo_55 sad reality

And we get kicked out of subic bay

Jeremiah Igbalic Yes

WG other action game company shouldn't be making history videos unless more strictly battle related. Japan was willing to negotiate and leave the axis with the US to end the embargo. The US figured the Philippines would be targeted but pressed with the oil embargo and unwavering posture in negotiations, prompting Japan seek seek oil in Dutch colony Indonesia. US position put the Philippines in harms way.

You might want to give the Americans a little more credit than that since there were 300,000 fighting in the PI and they did far and away the majority of the fighting. There were no Phillipino Infantry regiments or divisions organized. They served mostly as scouts and small units within the American units.

@@MrMattumbo There are two main points of time of "Japanese invasions". The first one was the 1931 invasion of 1931. The second one was the out-break of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. In both cases, the degree of "Japanese aggression" has been exaggerated. For the first one, when Japanese invaded Manchuria, there was no fight with the KMT because the KMT had no control of the northern area. If someone says that CKS had successfully took control of all of "China" by the end of the 1920s, then they are in effect saying that Manchuria was not part of China because the KMT had no control of the area. And they never did. After the collapse of Yuan Shikai, the warlord in control of the Manchuria area was the Fangtian clique. And Japan backed this clique because they were a useful buffer for Imperial Japanese territory in the Korean peninsula. But the Fangtian clique suffered some military defeats during the warlord fights throughout the 1920s. By 1928, the economy of the Fangtian clique fell apart. The top economy official abandoned the clique. In 1929, the Soviet Union attacked the left over government and easily defeated the left over military in the area. The SU attacked in order to reassert control of a railway that ran from the northwest straight down to the southeast onward to Vladivostok. KMT no where in sight. Comes 1930, still no KMT. So then comes September 1931, still no KMT. The Japanese moved in. A huge area worth about 30 million people was taken easily. If the KMT was doing well, then they had 3 years to move in and take over. But they didn't. Instead Soviet activity increased in the area. And what yje Japanese installed was a Manchu state, not a Chinese state. Mind you, Manchuria was part of China only during the Qing dynasty. Before that, the area was a Manchu country. So it wasn't even deeply Chinese like how the areas more southeast of it were. The whole, yet stupidly short phrase of "Japan invaded China in 1931" really ignores so much about the whole situation about it. However CKS was angry at Japan for taking Manchuria despite the fact that he had no capacity to take the area himself! An area that was a piece of cake for the Japanese to take. In addition to increased Soviet activities in the area, another reason Japan went in was because anti-Japanese Korean communists fighters were operating from the area north of Korea. So taking Manchuria helped eliminate area where Korean communists could make a base of operation. As for 1937, again, it wasn't a wholly unprovoked blatant invasion. CKS was kidnapped in December 1936 and pressured into ending his fight against the Chinese communists to form a "united front" against Japan. The war with Japanhad not started until the summer of 1937. Which means that CKS and the Chinese communists made preparations to start the war well in advance. This wasn't like your sudden Nazi Germany blitz on Poland here.. Chinese nationalistic sentiment and CKS himself wanted Manchuria back, along with anger at special provisions granted to foreigners in places like Shanghai. Shanghai I could certainly understand. But if CKS just accepted the Japanese having Manchuria, then there would never have been the motive to escalate the fight with the Japanese at skirmishes in the northern areas like at the Marco Polo bridge. By mid 1938, Japanese advances were stopped, but KMT was qjite beat up ane weak and they often appealed for foreign aid including lines of credit from the US on two or three occasions. The FDR administration preferred CKS China and so year after year more and more credit was sent to KMT. First time was 25 million USD, or about 450 million in today's dollar in 38' if I recall correctly. Another one was sent the year afterwards. On the Japanese side of China, the Wang Jingwei regime was established by 1940 and this reasoning was used by CKS to ask for more money from the US. The US kept digging in the preference to back this incompetent KMT regime, which had brutal and forced recruitment for soldiers, some being young Chinese being kidnapped and pressed into service. And the US going as far as direct and total war with Japan, all for what? ... the KMT losing to the commies. So the main is that the Japanese weren't just going across Asia to rape, pillage, and murder. There is a lot of historical back ground that is ignored. It actually isn't really your fault that you posted the way you did because the full historical context does not get broadcasted in the media. And just like those two examples, the PH attack was also provoked by the oil embargo and the unwillingness by the US side to meet with Prime Minster Konoye to find a way to end the embargo and improve relations with Japan leaving the axis. The Pacific War didn't have to happen.

@@leafyrocky80 You're a fucking apologist, sure the politics are interesting, but that doesn't change the fact that Japan's military leaders set out to create an empire across the region on the basis that they were racially superior and deserved to rule over the other peoples of the region. They institutionalized the mass slaughter of enemy POWs, pillaging of captured cities, and the rape and forced prostitution of their defeated foes' women and young girls. The Japanese empire committed atrocities as bad if not worse than those of the Nazis. Yet many of their crimes were covered up before the American occupation began, many of their criminals escaped justice, and their government still to this day attempts to deflect, deny, and revise the history of their actions during the war to a sickening degree and people like you eat it up and spread it wherever you can. Stop pretending Japan was a victim, they started a most brutal war aggression and attacked the US without a declaration of war, the Japanese military leadership bears full responsibility for what happened. War is war, don't start one you can't win and don't cry about it afterward.

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That was the North Carolina.

Just so the uninitiated know the Sammie B is the USS Roberts. The Tin Can Destroyers that fought like Battleships

Well, a few bits of her have been found. Most of the hull is likely at the bottom of that trench. Even so, the bits that have been found make her the deepest wreck ever discovered.

I think Halsey's choice of flagship was a big part of the problem. It's also worth remembering that the IJN always considered attacking non-warships as less than honorable. I still don't know what ships 7th Fleet had inside Leyte Gulf besides USS Pennsylvania, but for the Japanese going in and shooting up transports would have been less than attractive. And given everything Kurita's forces had already suffered, the thought of 3rd Fleet cutting off their retreat and Kurita being responsible for the fate of all the officers and men still alive is not something anyone who hasn't been in that situation can dismiss. When Kurita's ships started getting attacked by McCain's task group as well as by the Taffies I think he was justified in concluding that the plan had failed. I would rather be in his shoes than in the shoes of the officers who approved and conducted the Yamato suicide run.

@@MakeMeThinkAgain Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think transferring his flag could have played a part in his not activating TF 34. It isn't just a question of him clambering over the side - which was probably not that easy for someone who was not a young man - but - I have been involved in setting up things during an exercise and there is a whole lot of stuff that needs to be done. He - and his staff (!!!) - were all set up on the New Jersey and for him to transfer his flag would have cost him something in his ability to command his fleet until he was all set up where ever he went. As to Japan attacking non-combat ships ... I would say ... that it was more a factor of it being MORE Honorable to attack Warships rather than that it was LESS Honorable to attack cargo ships. But ... that's just a ... perception of mine. It is however a fact that the Japanese Submarines were used more against warships than in an anti-commerce role - like we and the Germans did. They scored some very real successes - but - chasing warships about is a lot more difficult and less productive strategically than singing cargo ships. Here - what you have is the Japanese of the day not really understanding what they were doing. Students of Mahan knew that the merchant ships were more important than the combat ships. The only purpose of the combat ships - was to protect their own sea lanes or attack the enemies. Other than that - they served no purpose ... other than maybe shore bombardment. Here - it should be remembered that Japan had only become a modern nation in 1870 with the Meiji Reformation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration So - they didn't have the long period of gradual development of technical and tactical change that existed in the west - they only had the west as a model. In their rush to modernization - there were things that weren't fully understood. Thus, my contention, that they didn't emphasize attacking the enemies supply lines or protecting their own - enough. It wasn't like they didn't understand it at all - it's more like they didn't appreciate the real significance of it. Yes - I can understand Kurita's not wanting to sacrifice his men - but - if you look at the suicidal efforts being made on land and in the air ... this was his chance for the Navy to make a contribution. As to the Yamato - that was just a waste. At Leyte Gulf - it was already there. The American Transports were right there a short distance away. With the Yamato's Death Ride - it accomplished nothing as the Allies sank it long before it could have done anything. And here is my point - what did Kurita preserve these ships to do? In the case of Yamato - he preserved it to sink uselessly and drown a lot of it's crew with it. The other ships were mostly just sunk in port - but I do believe they were manned. .

@@BobSmith-dk8nw By the fanatical standards of the time, the people on the Yamato simply got the privileged of dying for the emperor, but at least Kurita can say this waste didn't happen on his watch. Both Spruance and Kurita flew their flags from heavy cruisers which makes more sense than Halsey's choice -- and Kurita suffered when he had to shift to the Yamato after his original flagship was sunk. The Darter and Dace contributed to the USN victory in so many ways.

@@MakeMeThinkAgain Well ... what really should have been done - is that the Japanese shouldn't have created and aggressive military to further the aims of empire building - and concentrated on consumer products 20 years earlier than they did. That's what they should have done ... then no body would have died of anything other than natural causes. But - that's not what they did. Their plan - was to make the Americans pay such a price in blood - that they would quit. This is the same plan North Vietnam had. I'm not planning on writing a book on the differences there - so I'll leave it at that. But - the point is - that in support of their National Strategy to try and save their nation - making the Americans pay in blood - was Kurita's job. In any case - I've seen no evidence that it was - and normal Japanese behavior at the time would indicate that sparing his men's lives - was not Kurita's motivation. In fact - given the Cult of Death that permeated the Japanese military - the very thought of sparing his men's lives as the expense of the mission - would have been anathema to Kurita AND his men. What I believe you are doing - is attaching YOUR motivations to Kurita - rather than examining what HIS really were. This is actually very common but is something historians are not supposed to do. Now - how he felt about it in later years ... I couldn't say - but at the time he made his decision to withdraw - I don't believe he was thinking about sparing his men. He and they were both expected to do their duty - and lay down their lives for the Emperor. .

@@BobSmith-dk8nw While trying (without luck) to find something else I just ran into something you might find interesting if you haven't already read it: In "The Japanese Navy in World War II" edited by David C. Evans, there's a piece by Atsushi Oi about the failure of the IJN ASW effort because they, ..."disregarded the importance of the problem." The piece looks at all aspects of the problem but what I took away was the line about the difficulty they had finding naval officers willing to do something as inglorious as protecting merchant ships.

@Bj D A particular flaw that appears from Midway forward in Japanese planning, splitting the fleet into widely separated task groups that were too far apart for mutual support. At Leyte this can be partly accounted for by their fuel crisis.

@Bj D LT James "Jimmy" Thatch, a squadron commander and Wildcat Ace, introduced the weave tactic as a defense against the superior flying characteristics of the Zero. Many of the IJN pilots could not resist taking the bait thus the tactic became SOP for USN even after the F6F replaced the F4F as the first-line USN fighter aircraft.

I always found the "you go to war with the force you have" the kind of proverb made by a failure. You go into battle with the force you have but most wars you can see coming a mile away and it's your own damn fault if your caught with your pants down. US intervention in WW2 was almost inevitable so she should have been better prepared, but Pearl Harbor was not inevitable, in fact before the Battleship fleet was stationed in Pearl, it was stationed in San Diego, well out of reach of the Japanese.

@@Edax_Royeaux Yep

@@Edax_Royeaux, that's a valid observation, but my comment was actually meant to refer to today's military, which is essentially a cold war force built in the 1980's and designed in the 1970's. The US has not made any major upgrades to that basic structure other than to significantly reduce it (US had more troops in Germany in 1989 than it does in the entire Army today). If you were a planner in the 80's, what would you think warfare would look like in 2020, 2030, 2040? Pretty hard to say. Regarding the US in WWII, we were actually a lot better prepared than most give credit for. By the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Keels for the Essex class carrier, Gato class submarine, the Iowa class battleship, and the Fletcher class destroyer were already laid.

Thomas Wilson Yup. Modern war would be so quick that if a country isn’t prepared, it has already lost. There would be virtually no way to build up forces as the US did in WWII.

My Dad was also a Quad-40mm Gunner/Loader on a BB at Leyte Gulf ( I was not around until 11 yrs. later) I think he was about 18.

You should read "Nakajima B5N Kate And B6N Jill Units." It's very good

I take nothing away from the Chieftain, but for best KZfaq video I've ever seen/heard, I nominate Drachinifel's" The Battle of Samar - Odds? What are those?" Drach is not the narrator nor speaker that Chieftain is but the video is much more informative about the battle specifically and is much more entertaining. It is also much more accurate. The Chieftain's presentation is accurate enough, but there are times where he generalizes in places where a listener is likely to take the information as detailed and specific - it can, therefore be misleading. I blame this on Wargaming's regard for historical accuracy in it's other products; when accuracy gets in the way of marketability, then accuracy is irrelevant. It is the Chieftain's misfortune to be in a position where he must yield to this Wargaming failing; at least he "warns" viewers by wearing Wargaming swag when he is under t his onus.

Agree. IJN believed courage could overcome their numerical inferiority

" Don't worry, we're sucking them into 40MM range!"

He was born in Ireland.

@Douglas Moran. It’s important to note that saying Shokaku was not repaired in time for Midway is not technically correct. The IJN “decided” Shokaku was not ready and also “decided” not to use Zuikaku. Shokaku was not in worse shape than Yorktown. Maybe Yorktown had better repair crew where as IJN’s repair crew was kept on land. The IJN could have sent repair crew with Shokaku if they felt they needed her enough. Let’s remember. She was sea worthy enough to get back to Japan from Coral Sea area. They had time to do some repairs and the continue repairs while traveling to near Midway. Some of the issues which plagued the IJN is their inability to think outside the box. Yes carriers and planes were important and vital but what the IJN failed to understand and realize is that this isn’t where their true advantage was and it wouldn’t be in the long run. The Battle of Coral Sea should have taught the IJN that it takes too many planes and pilots to sink a US carrier and this type of fighting is more like trading blows. You get one of my carriers and I get one of yours. I lose planes and pilots and so do you. Also Battle of Wake Island should have told the IJN that a single bombing run wasn’t going to be enough to neutralize an island. Yamamoto had the right “idea” in mind in trying to get the US into a massive battle where the IJN could destroy the US fleet. Midway was that chance. Everything was perfectly aligned. His plan of attack though was very poor. Thinking that his main fleet could somehow “catch up” to the US Task after some initial aerial attack was seriously flawed. There is no way the Main Fleet could realistically catch up when they were positioned 300 miles west of Midway. Had the IJN decided to bring their battleships into action then an entirely different mindset would have come into play related to their carriers strategy. They would have said...wait a minute. Okay if we used some battleships to shell Midway then we wouldn’t need a possible second bombing run and in fact we can probably get away with less bombers. Wait. Let’s now load our planes with more fighter planes. We have plenty of those and we can send more rookie pilots to help since it’s a fighter plane is way easier to control than a dive or torpedo bomber. So now why don’t we use both Shokaku and Zuikaku but keep these carriers further back from the rest of the fleet. Wait a minute. Why don’t we keep all of our carriers further back and just have Shokaku furthest back and bring her into action only if necessary. Oh. Why don’t we also take advantage of our Kongo Class battleships and pressure the US into vessel vs vessel combat. This will also take away focus on our carriers. Okay. Okay. Starting to see the picture. Let’s formulate a more precise battle plan. Wait for next post.

@Douglas Moran. So the IJN has to be thinking this also. Wait. If we decide to use our battleships and send them out we will be much easier to spot. How will we attack without being seen first? The answer is. The element of surprise of being seen first isn’t always necessary. The “surprise” is making the other believe you’re coming but do something entirely different. In any battle plan it’s always discussed as to what the enemy can and may do. What would you do if you were the enemy. So let’s say we do the following: 1. Let’s cancel the Aleutians plan. We need to utilize the two mid carriers to help protect the battleship attack force. 2. Let’s make use of all 11 battleships we have. So we have 10 carriers available. 4 main, Zuikaku and Shokaku, Junyo, Ryujo, Zuiho, and Hosho. 11 battleships including Yamato. 22 cruisers 64 destroyers 20 subs What does the US have? At best 3 carriers. 2 battleships. 10 cruisers and 20 destroyers. Doubtful they are all together. Actual was 2 carriers and a wounded Yorktown. No battleships. 8 cruisers and 15 destroyers. So what will happen if we try the following: 1. Northern Lead Force - Let’s send out 5 subs a day earlier. We then send 2 Kongo class battleships with 8 cruisers and 12 destroyers first. Trailing will be Carrier Ryujo 45 fighter planes with 4 destroyer escorts. This body is 100 miles north of Midway and heads due east looking for the US fleet. 2. Central Midway Attack Force - 5 battleships including Yamato. 2 cruisers and 8 destroyer escorts. Subs leading the way. 3. Northern Carrier Trail Force - Supports Northern Lead Force. Carriers Akagi and Kaga. 170 planes. 120 fighter planes. 50 bombers. 8 destroyer escorts. 4. Central Carrier Trail Force - Carrier Zuikaku 75 planes along with Junyo 45 planes and Hosho 15 fighter planes. 50 bombers to hit Midway. The others are fighter planes to provide CAP for the battleships. Shokaku 50 fighter planes. Further back west. Protect either Northern or Central carrier force. 5. Southern Lead Force - this unit shows up last. Has 4 battleships including 2 Kongo class. The Kongo class can do 30 knots. 12 destroyers escorts and 6 cruisers. 6. Southern Carrier Trail Force - Carrier Hiryu and Soryu. 140 planes plus Zuiho trailing with 30 more planes. 50 are bombers. The rest fighter planes. The IJN didn’t know where the US was positioned. This force either takes on Us force head on or it cuts off escape route for US retreating force. This gives the IJN 550 planes or so where 400 are fighter planes and 150 are bombers. The key will be to slow the US carriers down with initial dive and torpedo bombs. Once wounded the IJN battleships are now in position to sink the Us carriers.

Mess with the Fletcher, you go to the scrapper

I’m pretty sure the IJN learned that in 42.

Scott L I don’t think so - the fights in 42 were never so one sided as the Battle Off Samar. The IJN should have been able to brush Taffy 3 aside and kill all the Taffy 1-3 forces. They found out that American DD and DEs were even more psychotic berserkers than the Japanese’s own code of Bushido demanded. The Japanese went in expecting to fight house cats - capable of causing damage but not a hugely dangerous opponent in their opinion. Instead, the Japanese found they were facing rabid angry bobcats.

I’d put Callahans charge on the 13th of November up there with any suicidal comparison, excluding kamikazes, you’d want to make. The big differences in my opinion are 1) Callahan didn’t have two other task forces tossing air power into the battle to cover him he had to do it on his own, 2) Callahans destroyers had unreliable torpedos and were limited to 5/38 guns, and 3) Callahan didn’t allow his charge to be damaged or incapacitated.

You forgot the Butler-class DEs...

I'm Retired Marine living in Albay. I actually own MacArthur Jeep hes famous picture at the landing site

My Dad was there, Radarman on USS COLUMBIA CL-56 Columbia returned to the Pacific, covering the landings at Peleliu and taking part in the Battle of Surigao Strait on the night of October 24-25 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whilst covering the landings during the Lingayen Gulf invasion on January 6, 1945, she was struck by a kamikaze, and was further hit by a second kamikaze three days later while laying close to shore due to the prior damage. Under repairs until June 1945, Columbia returned to the Pacfic, participating in the Allied invasion of Borneo and serving in the East China Sea when Japan capitulated in mid-August.

he sucked

A lot of documentaries in this battle.👍 The History Guy is awesome!

Jingles is a great narrator!

Charlie Harris agreed!

Yes, this was the crux of the battle, like Pickett’s charge at Gettysburg. Certainly there was much before and after, but the audacity of Cmdr Earnest E Evans and the crew of the Johnston was the pivotal point in this great sea battle. It’s a story worth telling and should never be forgotten.

Also Battle of Surigao Strait, last battleship vs battleship action

My Dad was there, Radarman on USS COLUMBIA CL-56 Columbia returned to the Pacific, covering the landings at Peleliu and taking part in the Battle of Surigao Strait on the night of October 24-25 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whilst covering the landings during the Lingayen Gulf invasion on January 6, 1945, she was struck by a kamikaze, and was further hit by a second kamikaze three days later while laying close to shore due to the prior damage. Under repairs until June 1945, Columbia returned to the Pacfic, participating in the Allied invasion of Borneo and serving in the East China Sea when Japan capitulated in mid-August.

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I did.

My Dad was there, Radarman on USS COLUMBIA CL-56 Columbia returned to the Pacific, covering the landings at Peleliu and taking part in the Battle of Surigao Strait on the night of October 24-25 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Whilst covering the landings during the Lingayen Gulf invasion on January 6, 1945, she was struck by a kamikaze, and was further hit by a second kamikaze three days later while laying close to shore due to the prior damage. Under repairs until June 1945, Columbia returned to the Pacfic, participating in the Allied invasion of Borneo and serving in the East China Sea when Japan capitulated in mid-August.