all jihad are hateful and violent. The only difference between them all is the reasons given by those who perpetuate them.

Good message. As a Muslim I approve this message.

I was pretty sure that Frank Herbert's primary message was that charismatic leaders, no matter intent lead to evil ends, do not follow them as they will destroy you.

Question: I know what happens to Leto over the next millennia, what he becomes and how he meets his death. But what I don't know is what happens to his sister, does she live as long as he does, does she leave the planet, does she get married or does she have children? Do you perhaps know that?

This is a really, REALLY bad reading... The reason paul failed was because he was biologically incapable of bearing the weight of the golden path. Why do so many people forget that he wasnt the end point of the breeding plan? He was an incomplete specimen.

Agreed.

I had an older brother who I loved dearly pass away barely a few years after I almost died from an accident. When I watched this scene and knowing Alia's loving adoration worship of her brother Paul made me cry like a baby with the actors who did a good job tearing up to support the tragic scene. Herbert's book version never did that for me, his was too matter fact Alia's possessed evil no remorse showing but to toss herself out the window. Like a ragdoll, I laughed when I read it back in the day.

She's probably gone to him now.

It always breaks my heart.

That scene mirrored the scene in the miniseries when Jessica was explaining how it was a terrible thing she did awakening her to concours ess. Then she cries and Aliya takes her tear and puts it to her lips, then she says ‘I want my brother.’

Thank you. Just watched this and couldn't quite hear what she said.

Jessica should have used the Bene Geserect's forbidden anti-aging technique like Alia did and start her own life over again.

@@subliminalfalllenangel2108 by this point everything Bene Gesserit has sickened her. She returns to Caladan after this and stays out of politics. Even The God Emperor Leto doesn't bother her

@@subliminalfalllenangel2108 That's not the point. ''Aging'' has nothing to do with this at all. She lost everyone and everything that was dear to her, so what's the point of ''starting over''?

The twins were protected by their parents - read the book around that. Their parents ego stood guard against the other memories.

@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Yeah. It'll be like reliving that pain again. Some losses just can't be completely overcomed, especially those of children.

It must be absolutely wild for your average Freeman to live your everyday being ruled by the literal pantheon from your myths

Sometimes I wonder what it felt to the ancient peoples of Egypt, which believed the Pharaonic line to be divine. Or the Ancinet summerians living under their Kings of Kings

Dune is all about escalation and over-escalation.

The problem is verbal and emotional acting is hard enough for a child, add physical acting on top of that and you really just can't expect to put a child through that kind of treatment. Even Hollywood has its limits, if only for the sake of appearances.

@@mnomadvfx Yeah, aging up children in screen adaptations is usually the way to go. Game of thrones did it as well

The Golden Path was Muad'dib's vision. He recanted the turning of the desert, which makes sense, the desert was where he met Chani. He was blinded by the path set before him, and the death of his wife. In the desert he had a new vision, the Golden Path. When Leto II was in the desert with his long lost father. Muad'dib relayed this new destiny to him. Upon Leto II's death, Arrakis became a desert once more. A lineage, a mere semi-catastrophic heart throb in time. The desert consuming what was once Muad'dib. The sands of time consume everything in the end. But sand does not disappear, it only changes form. The Atredes had many descendants. Were it not for The Golden Path, the Atredes would have been wiped from history completely. They might have lost their dynasty, but they preserved their name. The skies of Arrakis weeped because of Muad'dib.

The New Alia is being played by the great Anya Taylor Joy, credit will be given

​​@@LetsGetitBoah pretty ironic if you think about it

*Crys knife.

pure atreides

Well you don't step into a intra family fight. Even Gramma wasn't going to step into it and Leto already laid waste to the Fedykin guards. No one else was being attacked, why run just turn on your cellphones and post the wedding disaster on Instagram!!☺ eta & TIKTOK!

A wedding without at least 3 deaths is considered a dull affair. Oh wait, wrong universe...

More like "spice is a hell of a drug"

@@mike140298 A Greek wedding? haha per movie stereotype The Atreides are Greek descendant family that settled on Caladan

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Low budget, but more lore accurate. I think that's a fair trade.

The miniseries far better catched how multidimensional politics in Dune are. The Bene Gesseret, the Padisha family, the guild navigators, the Tlailaxu, the Fremen, the new imperial cult, they all do not simply take sides for or against Paul Atreides, they have their own agendas and form a complex web of alliances and intrigues. Villeneuve's Dune is far more simple in that regard.

It does a solid job of telling the story to those who have never encountered it as well. As much as I like the look and vibe of villeneuve‘a films, they are probably the worst at explaining the lore to someone who has never encountered the IP before. They look incredible, sound amazing, but blow balls when it comes to relaying the complex story.

So true

Where can I watch the full series?

"I will not let them come close to seizing me. But I will give you the knife, and you will have to choose what to do with it."

Nice.

If anything, it was the Bene-Gesserit’s fault for creating that abomination doctrine.

@@Stitchman3875 Don't follow your reasoning. Doctrine or no, Alia was possessed, by the memories/persona of an evil ancestor.

@@marysueeasteregg Made possible by slow mental breakdown started by the Bene-Gerrserit's proganda

@@Stitchman3875 Alia was both unplanned by Jessica and the Bene Gesserit and mutated by the Waters of Life. She suffered from other memory of Baron Harkonnen.

Dune is full of tragic characters. Alia, Paul, everyone named Leto, etc. The Dune Saga did "Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" better than any other. The greatest of them all being Leto, who knew he was choosing to be the villain for millennia to come, and could only hope his plan would work and save Humanity and maybe someone in the deep future would understand his choice and redeem him.

Alia is basically Ikarus. Her genetic memories are the sun and the spice are the wings. Point being she flew a little too close to the sun and got burned down.

@@mnomadvfx Except that Icarus had a choice and he flew too close to the Sun because of his pride while Alia didn't have choice and later even control over herself. So no, not a valid comparison.

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"It's far better scene than the book" - Strongly disagree (not that you're obliged to care). It's a good scene, and effective scene, but just different. In the book, she still calls out for her mother and ends up jumping out the window because it's all she has within her strength to do (and it's one of her two choices from the Leto II, the other being the Fremen trial of possession, which she will fail.) Here, Leto II gives her a knife, kinda saying "taking your own life is your only way out of this". The window was probably omitted more for budgetary reasons, given the scale of sci fi's limited sets, then any narrative purprose.

It is a good scene, but I prefer just the utter tragedy of her death in the book. It's so sad and brutal in the book and I love it. I do like this version, but not over the book.

It has been successful my friend ^_^, I hope they do another rendition of Messiah and Children of Dune

I actually agree with you here. The beauty of the simplicity in this adaption's version of this scene just speaks wonders for the characters. Not that I don't like the book version, but they did the series so so well that I have to agree, I find it's beautiful and tragic and brutal all at the same time but it's subtler brutality, which somehow seems even more tragic. The acting is phenomenal. I wouldn't say that you prefer anything over the book in public though, because you'll have people jumping on your back from every direction. The following for the book is absolutely massive and quite a bit obsessive, not that that's bad, but it means the Dune loyalty is to the book over anything else, so saying something is better to do with Dune won't go down well. :)

This wont be in the sequal and neither will leto ii

the problem is there isnt any chance at all that the knife would pierce his not skin. Hes pretty much indestructible at this point in the story.

lol that is another reason why I like this version vs the books because it shows ALIA of the Knife lore about her fighting knife expertise. She was fully possessed in the thrall of the Baron personae SHE WILLINGLY EMBRACED ACCEPTED TO CONTROL HER TO MAINTAIN POWER and support her hate of her mother & jealousy of her niece&nephew. She chose to respond & feel that way as if a poor wittow girl victim with all the Rev Mother ancestor power she had at her fingertips but CHOOSES the BARON, she killed, as her protector mental power. As a reader fan I don't feel sorry for her once into Dune Messiah she was given power during Paul's reign & full tyrant leadership after.

Oh Its really him, I was like is this him? Nah but very similar face

I was completely captivated by Amavia and her portrayal of Alia The Knife!

The greatest irony is that Alia had her mother to protect her from the worst of abomination and yet the twins managed to escape it without a mother or a father capable of helping them (Irulan does not count, she's a Bene Gesserit but not of a degree capable of helping them).

The twins had each other. Their parents were mostly absent aswell. Sadly Alia was pretty much abandoned

LOLMAO, but Leto wasn't fully enveloped yet and those few on him just would have SPREAD wider across his body trying to trap block the water. It would not have hurt Leto anymore than spraying a normal person with a water hose, as Leto could have super sped away from the streams.

@@klyanadkmorr 🤔 LOL 😂

lol, reminds me of the aliens in M. Night Shyamalan's Signs

Or to shed a tear. And he did that himself.

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That was the whole point of the Golden Path.

The writer. He sacrifices what his father, Paul, couldn't resolve himself to: his humanity, for the sake of Humanity as a whole.

Some E. Euro religio fascist tried posting forfkssake the JIHAD of mindless religious worship slaughter in Paul's name was the Golden Path and Paul was somehow restricting it and that was his failure- when the TRUTH FRANK'S MESSAGE is Paul's fatalist thinking LET THE JIHAD CRUSADE GO ON MAKING IT A MASSIVE FAILURE HORROR! BECAUSE IT REQUIRED a godhead forever ran by fake religious powermongers who had no wish to prepare or develop the human race for self reliance independence survival. Seeing the farfuture danger to the human species Paul's Muadib Jihad had created Paul REFUSED was SCARED of an eternity of LEADING humanity on that GOLDEN PATH to fix his WRONGS & SAVE HUMANITY. A mindless Jihad of reactionary slaughter was not the answer NOR WHAT FRANK HERBERT WAS TEACHING. AND whenever some 'Bot(USA ,russian,Iran, or ISIS reactionary)conservative & religious fanatics try posting online try coopting twisting DUNE into their hateful violent narrative please REBUKE them!.

I always though it was the coolest part. Gotta love God Emperor of Dune

Herbert wrote very weird stories

Jessica DID show Alia love and left by the time Alia was a grown woman and a priestess. It was ON Alia to not hide her internal problems when people asked she only opened to Duncan a 'robot' sworn to her. So stop blaming Jessica. People complain when others try forcing help on people who refuse and Alia was full on her greatness feeling she should have been the Kwitzach or had the messiah baby. Alia FELL to grandfather Harkonnen because she as her own choice became greedy for power attention and looked to the voices without protection ON HER OWN KNOWING THE DANGERS from centuries of memories. She knew and Jessica had nothing she could do to stop or help any more than the internal knowledge ALIA ALREADY HAD.

​@@klyanadkmorr the books were quite clear on the problem being that she was never allowed the time needed to form an identity of her own. She was stuck with the mentality of a child and used the memories to give the illusion of maturity. Like modern age of consent/conservativorship laws, jessica should have known better.

Rest In Paradise

Quiet? I'm pretty sure they made a whole feature film about Professor Xavier resisting working with the Borg Queen again! (after that one time he'd done it already)

I found this more theatrically engaging and vivid, the display of Alia as she gains control to finally end it was better this way Shakespearean than the Book has her suddenly go robotic jerking walk to a window and disappears from the scene and no reactions from the family, GRRMartin would have done this way Shakespearean but Herbert kinda forgot that theatrical concept and only was lieral literary reader envisioning the scene Also the TV version knife attack by her showing how changed superior Leto II had become was better action exciting IMHO than book's written her trying to kick him and he throws her around like a ragdoll by her feet

They had to condense a lot for the series and this played better for a television audience. It also captured Jessica's grief that was shown through internal dialogue at the end of the book.

@@ComeauSoftwareSolutions Jessica can grieve but she abandonned her daughter.

The thing is Alia NEVER ASKED HER MOTHER TO STAY. She was all wrapped up in being the new Regent Emperor and only asked Duncan to stay by her side. IMHO how could anyone have realized how unstable Alia was when she was running around leading so well and kept everyone at a distance trying to look perfect(I am the Rev Mother & holy with all Rev Mother memories bow to me Bulls#) like as if she was like Paul. Only her niece/nephew could pick up on it early and Jessica only AFTER being alerted of the drastic things happening on Arrakis and reports of Alia's new behavior. Alia was too far gone by then so fully tired of the Jessica BLAMES GAME going on as THERE WOULD BE NO PAUL NOR ALIA if Jessica had NOT TAKEN THE WATER OF LIFE or fought off Stilgar.

@@klyanadkmorr Who could know? Jessica and The Bene Gesserit knew what she was. I know Jessica had *almost* no choice than to take the Water of Life during her pregnancy but she could have stayed at her side. She's her mother and Alia was her responsability. I need to reread the books now because I don't recall why Paul couldn't foresee that.

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I think their doing a trilogy, with an adaptation of Dune Messiah being the final act

Quite possibly

The sandtrout have already gotten to his vocal chords & more in the books, this just SHOWS/you hear LetoII has transformed to become in-human part worm. The fact everyone suddenly turned their heads in shock hearing him roaring while both he & Ghanima enter did not seem like GLOSSING OVER hearing him roar.

@@klyanadkmorr yeah I know all that. I was more referring to no one mentioning it in the comments. It made me laugh since a good roar sound effect clearly wasn’t in the budget. They did the best they could tho.

well Sandworms are FICTIONAL and you hear the WORMS thru the series, so those SAME roars come out of Leto's mouth slightly less rumbling because SMALL HUMAN body. really there is no proper Roar to be had from a 5'9" actor just gaping his mouth open.

@@TheEarlThePearl1 I like how they went ham in this show at a few parts such as that. Something the 2021 movie is missing.

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The Bene Gesserit are the SW Jedi Order. Alia would have sided with Palpatine and the Sith as she's anti-BG who damned her as Abomination.

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Which is why I criticized the new Dune movie viciously because there was 15-20min of filling scenes to bring out the internal & intergalactic politics and character traits arcs cut left unincluded and the director REFUSES to release for blueray or DVD or HBO stream a longer version edit. Making the 3 movies like he's just did the first section is worthless IMHO, because the 3rd is going to gut truncate squeeze Dune:MESSIAH into. If Deni had instead replicated the scenes script of the Syfy TV 3 day DUNE only series THEN this new effort would be worthy but then people are only interested in pure action spectacle now that Disney MCU has taken over theater content style. Things like Lord of the Rings would nowdays be considered too talky bloated.

​@klyanadkmorr Thank you. Villeneuve is a good technical filmmaker, and Arrival wasn't bad, and neither was 2049, but his Dune is garbage. Aside from what you mentioned, the Harkonnens are just so off the mark, in terms of tone. Way too obviously sinister, from a visual point of view, and the Baron just grunts a few words here and there. The Baron is one English literature's greatest characters, let alone villains, and he's just reduced to a bad Marlon Brando impression in a suspensor suit. And ffs what the hell is with that stupid vocal thing in the score every ten minutes? It's so on the nose. Incredibly corny. The movie _looks_ great, and I really have no issues with the casting even, but again, it needed to be a series. It's a very valuable story about human nature and to reduce it to just an entertainment product is incredibly cynical.

ITA, I review Denis recent movies as epic eye candy real desert feel that needed the Syfy WRITER SCRIPTS. Syfy has Better Fremen village seitches feel life scenes than Dune2 Chani gossiping with her Mall chick friends ogling dragging boitoi Timothee-Paul

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I'd have to double check, but Frank Herbert said himself he didn't think much of Dune Messiah - a book he himself wrote. Said he was basically asleep writing it or something.

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I absolutely agree with you! It seems so hard to say anything at all in contradiction to the books being God given gifts and should not be discussed unless only saying the books are better than all else. Frankly, I adore the books. I read them long before it came back into the public eye with all the news on the new film, and I'd watched this adaption too. Frankly, this adaption, Dune miniseries and Children of Dune miniseries both, are absolutely beautiful. They capture everything I saw and so much more from the books. They summed everything up so so well, and they made it art, they made it relatable while being epic and respectful and representative of the books, yet having their own take on it and being creative. When I watch a book adaption I'm not looking for accuracy, I'm looking for something more, something that sees right into the souls of the characters and bases it off of them rather than the plot that includes them, no matter how much I like or don't like the plot. I want something character driven, and that's what this is. Plus it's format is incredible sci-fi fantasy, and that's my favourite genre by far. The visions for this were amazing. This miniseries won so many awards for it's brilliance, it's incredibly highly regarded, and yet now with the new film nobody cares nor do they even know/refuse to look and find that it exists, and actually will not acknowledge it even when they do research on Dune, just because it's not a film, because it's television, that's the only reason. Well, they're only hurting themselves, missing out on this wonder of all wonders. I'm curious to see the new film, but frankly I don't need to because this IS Dune for me. Why fix something that isn't broken? Why redo something that is already perfect?

@@bobojo37 - Yeah, Dune Messiah is almost like an epilogue to Dune.