China's SpaceX Copy Destroyed in Bizarre Test Failure - Booster Static Fire Becomes Flight Test

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Scott Manley

Scott Manley

4 күн бұрын

In China Space Pioneer was performing a static fire test of the Booster for their Tianlong 3 rocket, a design which is a close copy of SpaceX's Falcon 9.
Due to an engineering failure the rocket broke free of the test stand, flew under power for about 30 seconds before crashing back to Earth in a spectacular fireball.
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@amyshaw893
@amyshaw893 2 күн бұрын
Probably because they didn't say "that's not going anywhere" after they tightened down the ratchet straps
@Rob-ky1ob
@Rob-ky1ob 2 күн бұрын
Don't forget to tap it while saying it. Otherwise it doesn't work.
@paulmichaelfreedman8334
@paulmichaelfreedman8334 2 күн бұрын
Those ratchet straps have the word "Aliexpress" printed on them.
@MysterDaftGame
@MysterDaftGame 2 күн бұрын
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 It's important to support your national industry !
@dancingdog2790
@dancingdog2790 2 күн бұрын
Straps must have been twisted. 😞
@CJ-jo6do
@CJ-jo6do 2 күн бұрын
​@@Rob-ky1obno, it needs a hardy slap. A tap is not sufficient enough for the magic to work.
@ElectronicsExplored
@ElectronicsExplored 2 күн бұрын
We had RUD, now we have RULE - Rapid Unscheduled Liftoff Event
@jorgenskyt
@jorgenskyt 2 күн бұрын
Immediately followed by a GALB (Gravity Assisted Litho Breaking) - and a classic BARP (Bucket Assisted Recovery Procedure) ... 😀
@CumulusGranitis
@CumulusGranitis 2 күн бұрын
hehehehe.... love it!
@johnnemeth6913
@johnnemeth6913 2 күн бұрын
Anybody remember the old movie from the 80s, called, "Space Camp"?
@atigerclaw
@atigerclaw 2 күн бұрын
@@johnnemeth6913 What's Chinese for 'Jinx' ? Because I'm not sure Jinx sent anyone to space this time...
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 2 күн бұрын
We darn near had RUUD: Rapid Unscheduled Urban Demolition. But luckily this would be the exception to the RULE.
@kerry7932
@kerry7932 Күн бұрын
Rocket scientist #1: "I thought you tied it down?" Rocket scientist #2: "I thought _you_ tied it down?"
@carljohan9265
@carljohan9265 23 сағат бұрын
the better question is "why the fuck didn't the engines turn of"???
@HUgdJHf64
@HUgdJHf64 18 сағат бұрын
"should have ask for more funding. but private investors won't give more. Suck to be a private company"!
@berkeliumk
@berkeliumk 15 сағат бұрын
Rocket scientist #3: We follow the schematic from spaceX pixel by pixel. Wait... what? The document supposed to be 1000 pages and not 50?
@carljohan9265
@carljohan9265 11 сағат бұрын
@@berkeliumk I think this is a clear case of "copying the form but missing the substance", in this case the software. Because Falcon 9 is made of tech that the industry has had for decades, just more optimized. The real magic however that makes it a falcon 9 is the software. Remember that the rocket has to come to a complete stop at the exact moment the legs touch the ground, if the timing is of it either hits the ground hard or goes back up (which also ends in it hitting the ground hard). This means it has to make thousands of adjustments to it's landing approach that are unique to every single flight, and it has to do so completely autonomously.
@any1alive
@any1alive 11 сағат бұрын
wait, we were ment to clamp it down
@syjiang
@syjiang Күн бұрын
The truly spectacular failure here is that the test was performed in this region. This was located in Henan, the province where my family was originally from and the population density here is huge. That mountain is located right in between Luoyang at 50 km west, the old imperial Chinese capital, and Zhengzhou at 50 km east, the current provincial capital. Luoyang has a population of 7 million, Zhengzhou has a population of 12 million! Yeah lets test fire rocket right in the middle of the most dense urban population centers on the northern China plain. Real big brains.
@minhtrungle9117
@minhtrungle9117 Күн бұрын
... bruh
@riskinhos
@riskinhos Күн бұрын
like ccp cares about people.
@simongeard4824
@simongeard4824 Күн бұрын
Not unprecedented. The Soviets used to test rocket engines in St Petersburg on an island in the river... surrounded by the actual city a few hundred meters away. Only engines, I believe, not large launch vehicles, but still... Quite a good little museum now, though... a variety of Soviet rocket engines on display.
@Martingray7875
@Martingray7875 Күн бұрын
Should tell your people to quit being stupid and quit trying to badly copy everything
@Martingray7875
@Martingray7875 Күн бұрын
Should probably tell your people to quit being stupid and quit badly copying everything the next time your handlers call you from the CCP Intel
@beast2120
@beast2120 2 күн бұрын
Sure it was supposed to fly next month, but look at it this way: Space Pioneer has launched their first rocket way ahead of schedule!
@TonyChan-eh3nz
@TonyChan-eh3nz 2 күн бұрын
Reminds me of the F-16
@MistedMind
@MistedMind 2 күн бұрын
CCP guy: "SUCEESS!!!"
@schlenbea
@schlenbea 2 күн бұрын
such extreme pioneers it even launched before they wanted it to!
@Jack.3077
@Jack.3077 2 күн бұрын
Why? ​@@TonyChan-eh3nz
@johnbuchman4854
@johnbuchman4854 2 күн бұрын
Boeing SLS, Starliner listening?
@absenttk4213
@absenttk4213 2 күн бұрын
When you copy your friend's homework - but don't understand the answers...
@skytron22
@skytron22 2 күн бұрын
I’d expect nothing else from China
@ki5aok
@ki5aok 2 күн бұрын
This statement sums it up perfectly.
@22Epic
@22Epic 2 күн бұрын
Don't be so harsh on Blue Origin.
@zognaldblormpf5127
@zognaldblormpf5127 2 күн бұрын
Let's hope they don't copy Apollo 1, Challenger, Columbia etc
@snipelite94
@snipelite94 2 күн бұрын
They'll produce it improved and cheaper soon enough.
@MoraneAI
@MoraneAI Күн бұрын
Way back in time the Americans had a static fire turn into a launch. It was a Viking rocket, an immediate successor to the V2's that the Americans obtained from Germany. The early models had a steel tube frame but they upgraded to a monocoque aluminium design. For the static test fire they could no longer bolt the steel frame to the launch pad so instead it was held down by two bolts through the aluminium. On firing it built up to full thrust and departed. When they looked afterwards, two long triangles of aluminium skin were still bolted to the launch pad. Being a test launch, all the theodolites and tracking cameras were not arranged, but one guy happened to be at one station so was able to get one track on it. That didn't pinpoint it but at least they had some idea where it had gone and were able to locate it. This happened at the White Sands proving ground in New Mexico. Not to be confused with the later Viking probes, this was a suborbital sounding rocket.
@ncdave4life
@ncdave4life Күн бұрын
Thank you for this!
@owatahfuhlaiyem4776
@owatahfuhlaiyem4776 Күн бұрын
See! See! The Chinese _are_ copying the US space program! 😘
@nomenclature9373
@nomenclature9373 Күн бұрын
Technically they did terminate the flight of number 8 by commanding an inflight engine shutdown. I think Viking 10's tail explosion on the launch fixture was one for the oddity books when during the firefighting efforts they equalized a tank by shooting it with a rifle to prevent a catastrophic implosion allowing for recovery of the payload.
@alcelaya1365
@alcelaya1365 20 сағат бұрын
That was about 75 years ago.
@HUgdJHf64
@HUgdJHf64 18 сағат бұрын
Americans = NASA? this chinese project is a privately funded company which can disappear tomorrow with investor pull the plug.
@EthelJung-j5w
@EthelJung-j5w Күн бұрын
I can’t believe how small the safety zone is around the launch site! That city is 2 miles away! I know that China’s geography isn’t favorable for launch sites, but this is beyond reckless!
@uzlonewolf
@uzlonewolf Күн бұрын
I mean, this is the same country who thinks it's okay to drop spent hypergolic stages onto villages.
@karstux
@karstux Күн бұрын
It's probably a test stand, not a launch site. If the worst you're expecting to deal with is the explosion of a fully-fueled booster - well, it's still reckless, but they probably never expected to fly from there.
@VIJAYzk
@VIJAYzk Күн бұрын
one cloud seeding rocket came back down through a concrete ceiling into a guys body making a hole in his head
@riskinhos
@riskinhos Күн бұрын
isn't favorable? are you mentally challenged or you are you a narrowminded ameritard? china is huge. there's tons of free empty space suitable for it in china. just look at a map ffs
@sursomsatan1225
@sursomsatan1225 Күн бұрын
You mean their habit of dumping toxic waste where people live gave off a sense of otherwise caring?
@pyalot
@pyalot 2 күн бұрын
Aliexpress: „100% genuine Falcon 9, 90% off, free delivery.“
@azsoftware
@azsoftware 2 күн бұрын
Ships in 2 months
@Salty_Balls
@Salty_Balls 2 күн бұрын
It delivers itself..... somewhere.
@josephc3276
@josephc3276 2 күн бұрын
That made me laugh out loud 😅😂😅😂😅!!!
@CptHer
@CptHer 2 күн бұрын
Only dropped once.
@branduncensored3896
@branduncensored3896 2 күн бұрын
Yes, that is actually embarrassing because Amazon is not capable of doing that.
@solandri69
@solandri69 2 күн бұрын
I can just imagine a conversation before this. "Shouldn't we put a self-destruct system on this, just in case?" "Why? It's a static test. It's not going anywhere."
@oberonpanopticon
@oberonpanopticon 2 күн бұрын
That would be entirely reasonable… If only the restraints keeping it static weren’t made in China.
@rolanddeschain965
@rolanddeschain965 2 күн бұрын
I wonder if they knew it was about to explode so they just let it go lol
@ellayararwhyaych4711
@ellayararwhyaych4711 2 күн бұрын
Why expend time, effort and money on a self-destruct system when a nearby village will do much more cheaply?
@surgemeister01
@surgemeister01 2 күн бұрын
I know they didn't say "it's not going anywhere", otherwise it wouldn't have. You MUST say those magical words. 🤔🤔
@fghjconner
@fghjconner 2 күн бұрын
Honestly, a self-destruct is overkill for a mission like this. Much more reliable to just turn off the engines the instant the rocket is no longer physically attached to the test stand. Of course, they didn't manage that either.
@AlexanderWright1
@AlexanderWright1 Күн бұрын
"It has grid fins, it has landing legs..." And it successfully executed a Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly. A Good Falcon 9 Clone!
@Penfolduk001
@Penfolduk001 Күн бұрын
They copied the SpaceX files far too early in Falcon 9 development. 😁
@johndoh5182
@johndoh5182 Күн бұрын
I'm trying to figure the joke, but since SpaceX rockets blew up into pieces over an area where it wouldn't destroy homes, as opposed to Chinese boosters which have fallen to the ground and even killed people or left their homes and land a toxic mess, I'm just not getting the joke since these boosters disassembled stuff on the ground including homes. There are many videos of boosters from Chinese rockets hitting the ground and exploding over rural areas and then they show the aftermath. And these are from ACTIVE programs, not test programs. That's the sad part.
@Penfolduk001
@Penfolduk001 Күн бұрын
@johndoh5182 Well firstly, it appears the Chinese may have copied the Falcon 9 initial designs a bit too faithfully. The other funny thing us that, if it wasn't for the pesky FAA and other regulatory bodies, SpaceX would have probably blown up or poisoned people on the ground too...
@kataseiko
@kataseiko Күн бұрын
And just like the Falcon, it had some engine rich exhaust..
@snakevenom4954
@snakevenom4954 Күн бұрын
​@@johndoh5182 One Falcon 9 blew up when it was refueling for a test fire. I think that's the joke
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Күн бұрын
You can see a skirt on the base, so likely it was lowered onto the stand and sat on the skirt. Then they likely used multiple clamps to hold the skirt to the stand. Most likely is that one or more of the clamps either were not tight, or the bolts had been machined undersize, leaving not enough thread engagement, or only a part of the thread was engaged. Then the thrust snapped those, and the others that held tore the skirt loose, which accounts for the damage, as that skirt likely also damaged the engine bells as they rose up past the stand centre, and either bent them or fractured them. Bent ones got hot spots that later on failed, and the cracked ones were losing lots of cooling fuel till the uncooled areas melted away, and caused that engine to shut down because controller saw dropping thrust. Then the remaining engines were slammed to 110% to compensate, and this extra stress meant that one of the dented ones split open, and the parts blown off into the plenum damaged piping and such on others, and also likely destroyed the guidance controls, as it did not recover. Thus the big black cloud of burning fuel and hydraulic fluid, and bits of engine rich exhaust. Controller saw thrust was dropping on those engines, or pressures were dropping and flow rates were running wild, and shut off them, trying to correct attitude with the others by throttling them back and trying to correct with steering the remaining engines, and then it went horizontal. It probably detected a launch abort, and attempted to blow the destruct charges. Of course, seeing as this is a test firing, those likely were not fitted, just had the test bypass units in place, to pass the regular self test cycle.
@aspuzling
@aspuzling 2 күн бұрын
I always wondered what would happen if a rocket broke free of its restraints during a static fire and well, I guess we answered that question.
@dermotdobson2700
@dermotdobson2700 2 күн бұрын
One of the early US Vikings broke free from a static test too, as I recall.
@Salty_Balls
@Salty_Balls 2 күн бұрын
Answer - hilarity ensued. (Unless you live near these clowns)
@Sammasambuddha
@Sammasambuddha 2 күн бұрын
China is first in many things....paper, print type, gun powder....copying stolen blue prints and failing miserably.
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 2 күн бұрын
If that rocket had flown like my first model rocket, it would have left the pad, then flown horizontal at full thrust at the launch controller (in my case, me and a lantern battery about 20 feet away). Weird things happen when one fin breaks off right at launch. Our SECOND launch was done with my half-brother's car between us and the launch pad. That one flew perfectly.
@TheAgamemnon911
@TheAgamemnon911 2 күн бұрын
Now I wonder what you were wondering _would_ happen... Like... sure it has a couple options when going up, but after that the directions it could go become rather limited.
@h.a.9880
@h.a.9880 2 күн бұрын
Flight control: "Countdown 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, ignition! T+3 seconds all engines nominal. T+5 seconds we got lift-off, T+7 seco- WAIT A MINUTE... *LIFT-OFF?!"*
@Flumphinator
@Flumphinator 2 күн бұрын
NANI?!!?
@seneca983
@seneca983 2 күн бұрын
@@Flumphinator 什么!
@StonyRC
@StonyRC 2 күн бұрын
Don't you mean "We hava rift-off"
@FredFredrickson-bip-bang
@FredFredrickson-bip-bang 2 күн бұрын
@@StonyRC I think they "riffed-off" Space X.
@jeromethiel4323
@jeromethiel4323 2 күн бұрын
China forgot to copy the hold downs... ^-^
@halepauhana153
@halepauhana153 Күн бұрын
Love the way Scott says "Bangs and Booms"! That should be a new series!
@RaderizDorret
@RaderizDorret Күн бұрын
What's crazy is if we go off what Wiki says about the TL-3's first stage, that thing is putting out 850 ton-force at maximum thrust. For comparison, I work in a steel stamping factory, our largest presses cycle at 300 ton-force at a rate of up to 68 strokes per minute and there's more than a few larger firms that have 3000 ton presses that they run day in and day out. Making bolts and mounting points to hold the tooling that is delivering that force into the material being processed into parts is definitely a very well-understood bit of engineering so the TL-3 breaking loose from its test stand was a VERY easily avoidable. Stamping presses run through hundreds to thousands of work cycles PER DAY, so holding back 850 tons of thrust for the duration of the stage's burn time shouldn't be all THAT complicated in the grand scheme of things. Edit: I typed this before Scott hypothesized that it was more likely a structural failure on the rocket body and not the bolts.
@kpnconsulting8739
@kpnconsulting8739 2 күн бұрын
"I said lunch, not launch!"
@valtyger
@valtyger 2 күн бұрын
"CHOW-FUN" (spit!)
@thalanoth
@thalanoth 2 күн бұрын
Lol queue kevin Malone quote
@beenaplumber8379
@beenaplumber8379 2 күн бұрын
Far Out Space Nuts!!! Us 70s kids get that one!
@gm-zz8so
@gm-zz8so 2 күн бұрын
😂
@cynvision
@cynvision 2 күн бұрын
Wonder if someone yelled "This is going to be loud!"
@masteronone2079
@masteronone2079 2 күн бұрын
It's interesting to note that the observation "You can never have too many clamps" has currency outside the woodworking community.
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266 2 күн бұрын
I'm a small woodworking shop and the competent ish woodworker and I have roughly 40 clamps. I just moved my gigantic Bessie's which I think 6 ft long. For clamping oddly-shaped stuff, I've got two rolls of that rubber tubing the half inch and the big 1-in that I can wrap around to clamp oddly sheep things without marring it
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE 2 күн бұрын
​@@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266 You claim to be a small woodwork shop, but your YT handle indicates a *completely* different profession... 😏😅
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata Күн бұрын
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Woodman by day, Weedman by night.
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Күн бұрын
@@SuperCatacata Ha!
@RaglansElectricBaboon
@RaglansElectricBaboon Күн бұрын
underrated comment!
@dannywhite132
@dannywhite132 Күн бұрын
when you copy your friends homework and then the teacher asks you to explain your work to the class
@AJ-jq1js
@AJ-jq1js Күн бұрын
The worst part is that SpaceX designs are all open source. They have access to all SpaceX data
@EddieTheGrouch
@EddieTheGrouch Күн бұрын
Obviously a result of having to read their own Operating Manuals. "Please press this TWO times for lovely using experience, dear."
@ericlotze7724
@ericlotze7724 Күн бұрын
Granted if someone asked me to write a manual in Chinese i would probably *not do the best job* myself.
@nomenclature9373
@nomenclature9373 Күн бұрын
When the manual is written in Mandarin and given to a person who speaks Cantonese or vice versa. I worked in marketing and some brainy executive decided to do an ad campaign targeting the Chinese community. Problem is the ads were in Mandarin running in a Cantonese speaking area. Executive was shown the exit door.
@SpiraSpiraSpira
@SpiraSpiraSpira Күн бұрын
>be me >just hired as static test supervisor >show up to work >it’s dynamic
@GetInMyMinivan
@GetInMyMinivan Күн бұрын
The Party is disappointed with your performance comrade.
Күн бұрын
And then they take you out back and shoot you 30 times as part of your severance package..
@death_parade
@death_parade Күн бұрын
Recruiter: We need a dynamic personality for this job. U: Oh I know how to be dynamic! Everything I do is dynamic!
@GetFitEatRight
@GetFitEatRight Күн бұрын
@@GetInMyMinivan Why my carrer is soaring to new heights?
@rh906
@rh906 Күн бұрын
@@GetInMyMinivan Party there doesn't work like that anymore. It's really more a super "Democrat" party without a Republican Rodeo Clown party to make it look like things are normal.
@bricc9964
@bricc9964 2 күн бұрын
This is the sort of accident I would expect in a typical KSP playthrough, not in real life
@dominichines9996
@dominichines9996 2 күн бұрын
When you put the engines and launch clamps on the same stage by mistake
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE 2 күн бұрын
​@@dominichines9996 I basically came here to say similar lol "Check yo stagin!" S0 - blow hold-down bolts S1 - ignite engines
@fcgHenden
@fcgHenden Күн бұрын
​@@DUKE_of_RAMBLEYou got those stages mixed up. You light the engine before you release hold down clamps lest you risk dropping the whole thing. 😅
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE Күн бұрын
@@fcgHenden The main point was _"Check yo stagin!",_ and so my example still does a great job of doing that 😁
@EthanX1ao
@EthanX1ao Күн бұрын
Where is my Return To VAB button
@brightboxstudio
@brightboxstudio Күн бұрын
This accident is why Adam “Mythbusters” Savage likes to say “failure is ALWAYS an option.”
@thomashiggins9320
@thomashiggins9320 Күн бұрын
3:54 : "One would imagine that it's a lot easier to hold a rocket down than it is to make it lift off; that's why it's rocket-science." You were in rare form throughout this video, but that one cracked me up. Seriously though, who does vertical static tests that close to a populated area? I mean, there's a *reason* why NASA tests rocket engines in middle-of-nowhere Alabama, or SpaceX does so with a wildlife sanctuary on one side and the Gulf of Mexico on the other; and there's a *reason* they only launch rockets from Cape Canaveral *after* they've been tested the hell out of, very far away. (And yes, I'm well aware that Huntsville isn't exactly "middle-of-nowhere Alabama" any longer -- just as I'm also aware that the *reason* it's no longer a one-stop-sign town is *because* people do rocket science, there.) Here in Colorado, Lock-Mart's Waterton Canyon test facility isn't that far from Denver's southwest suburban cultural wastelands. However, that's only used for engine tests; the engine is pointed toward (and braced against) the side of a mountain; and if you put that much granite between the test site and, well, *anything else* , nothing goes anywhere it's not supposed to. 🤨
@dewayneblue1834
@dewayneblue1834 2 күн бұрын
For those asking where the Flight Termination System (FTS) was, the Chinese space agency calls its FTS "village ", and the rocket simply needed some time to reach it.
@jeffery7281
@jeffery7281 2 күн бұрын
For real, that's obviously because, well, you won't installed FTS for a stage that wasn't supposed to *actually take flight.*
@LuciousDeMorte
@LuciousDeMorte 2 күн бұрын
That shouldn't have made me laugh quite so much as it did LOL
@IiIytIi
@IiIytIi 2 күн бұрын
Technically US does the same but their "village" is called "Gaza" at least for 2024
@JZsBFF
@JZsBFF 2 күн бұрын
I don't get it. It MISSED the village.
@Earth-To-Zan
@Earth-To-Zan 2 күн бұрын
@@IiIytIi 🤣
@sebastianahrens2385
@sebastianahrens2385 2 күн бұрын
The dude filming the booster following its path the entire time except for the explosion is driving me insane. WHY MAN, WHY?!
@tissuepaper9962
@tissuepaper9962 2 күн бұрын
probably was a little bit more focused on figuring out whether or not he was going to be injured in the blast.
@beenaplumber8379
@beenaplumber8379 2 күн бұрын
Some people prefer to view the world with their eyes rather than through their phone.
@deaffeb
@deaffeb 2 күн бұрын
It's quite understandable, imagine you're filming something then unexpected event happened and you want to see it by your eyes instead of by the viewfinder, and lost the object in the film.
@jessicacolegrove4152
@jessicacolegrove4152 2 күн бұрын
He suddenly realized that the ccp would probably not want the crash on the net
@The-KP
@The-KP 2 күн бұрын
Because China state police were closing in, arresting them for filming a secret rocket launch. "But officers, I love the smell of rocket fuel in the morning.. smells like.. authoritarianism."
@stirlingr.buchanan6570
@stirlingr.buchanan6570 Күн бұрын
China claims the world record for altitude in a static test. Another glorious win.
@m.moolhuysen5456
@m.moolhuysen5456 22 сағат бұрын
What a brilliant conclusion you make at the end of the video.
@CalgarGTX
@CalgarGTX 2 күн бұрын
schedule so ambitious theres no time to tighten the bolts
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff 2 күн бұрын
Temu bolts
@my3dviews
@my3dviews 2 күн бұрын
Like Boeing getting a new plane to their customers. 😐
@CalgarGTX
@CalgarGTX 2 күн бұрын
@@my3dviews They learn from the best 😅
@CJ-jo6do
@CJ-jo6do 2 күн бұрын
You mean those 'super hd high quality professional industrial grade bolts' that started to pull the threads as they attempted to torque them.
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 күн бұрын
Well, that's what the safety bailing wire ties are for. Just in case the special high temper +++ATH grade bolts fail. But, for the wire ties, bread ties and hook and loop fastening system to fail, unimaginable!
@johnladuke6475
@johnladuke6475 Күн бұрын
So the brain surgeon says to the rocket scientist, "How hard can it be? We're not _designing clamps_ here."
@feldamar2
@feldamar2 Күн бұрын
To be fair, Scott mentioned it's more likely the rocket structure tore. Which meant the clamps were fine...the ROCKET wasn't. Which IS a bit harder to manage right. Because you have to build the thing LIGHT. Not strong. So the fact it failed is a bit more understanding. But why the full fuel tank for a 30s flight? And why so close to people? I don't care how grounded it was supposed to be. That's close enough an explosion could launch shrapnel that could kill. They majorly failed and screwed up in multiple major critical ways. But it doesn't look like it was the clamps...At least directly. Perhaps if the clamps were designed better they wouldn't put as much shear on the rocket for the rocket to then fail.
@MrBoatman46
@MrBoatman46 Күн бұрын
Safety ain’t quite the emphasis there…its “catch up to the west” as fast as possible
@jamiem7007
@jamiem7007 Күн бұрын
@@MrBoatman46 Exactly. In these autocratic countries, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...
@stejer211
@stejer211 22 сағат бұрын
Is this the comments section for autistics who wouldn't recognize a brilliantly adapted classic joke?
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 21 сағат бұрын
​ @ feldamar2 _"why the full fuel tank for a 30s [burn]"_ Additional weight? Testing of full tank under vibrations and what not?
@thentil
@thentil Күн бұрын
Who are you to tell me i can't land my boosters horizontally, while on fire?!?! 😂
@MateuszAd
@MateuszAd Күн бұрын
Bolt science... :D I love this new format of up-to-date spece related commentary.
@MegaMetroidZeldaMan
@MegaMetroidZeldaMan 2 күн бұрын
When you buy your launch inhibitor chip from Temu.
@johnbuchman4854
@johnbuchman4854 2 күн бұрын
Or Alibaba?
@ThatOpalGuy
@ThatOpalGuy 2 күн бұрын
more like flight termination system.
@Mad_Catter_
@Mad_Catter_ 2 күн бұрын
@@ThatOpalGuy Launch inhibitor..... Flight Termination. huh, sounds oddly similar for some reason. Almost like these are inaccurate claims for this stage of testing and they were actually supposed to lock the rocket down to a structured scaffold that holds it in place.
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, they just got a bad spin of the wheel.
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 күн бұрын
@@Mad_Catter_ that's just crazy talk! Everyone knows one just needs to use hook and loop fasteners to hold a rocket to the launchpad supports.
@kapteinsuperskoot6986
@kapteinsuperskoot6986 2 күн бұрын
The test rig engineer heard "100 tons of thrust" and thought, sure, 16 or so M8 bolts will do. They never told him there were nine.....
@whateverwhenever8170
@whateverwhenever8170 2 күн бұрын
Amazon bolts, made with fresh chineseium
@user-fu8vn7xo6c
@user-fu8vn7xo6c 2 күн бұрын
@@whateverwhenever8170The state of the art in beer can alloy technology.
@armastat
@armastat 2 күн бұрын
Someone couldn't follow Elon's translated instructions?
@andrewhicks982
@andrewhicks982 2 күн бұрын
​@@whateverwhenever8170 you mean Temu bolts
@user-fu8vn7xo6c
@user-fu8vn7xo6c 2 күн бұрын
@@armastatUsing Google Translate doesn’t always convey the correct information 😂
@Adam.NavyVet
@Adam.NavyVet Күн бұрын
Excellent analysis. Well done Sir. BZ
@candear
@candear Күн бұрын
I love your analysis. Thank you Sir ;)
@geomacaulay
@geomacaulay 2 күн бұрын
Our static test exceeded expectations.
@JamesPerkins
@JamesPerkins Күн бұрын
I once was once working on a prototype engineering project for a customer. My team sent them the latest drop of test code, which they loaded on the equipment. In the next weekly call, they started the call by describing they were astounded by it... by how broken it was. Oops!
@icekick1173
@icekick1173 2 күн бұрын
I love how Spacex didn't publish Patents cause when you file a Patent you have to show your detailed work and it gets published and China is known for not respecting American Patent law
@somewhere-else
@somewhere-else 2 күн бұрын
there’s a thing called ITAR..
@mattr8128
@mattr8128 2 күн бұрын
​@@somewhere-elseITAR protects against shipping and selling items. Not gonna help when the China patent scrappers are living in the patent off to return home with the info
@axlfrhalo
@axlfrhalo 2 күн бұрын
Not just American, i was at a Chemical process, distillery, and waste management site and had the opportunity to ask the staff some questions on my visit (Sweden), they stated very clearly they keep their work as company secrets and file no patents specifically because they know China will steal it right away.
@shubashuba9209
@shubashuba9209 2 күн бұрын
Pretty sure publishing rocket patents is illegal because it is military technology.
@dphuntsman
@dphuntsman 2 күн бұрын
Elon years ago publicly said SpaceX would not do the whole patent thing because of one word: China. He wasn’t afraid of any US company. - Dave Huntsman
@sangomasmith
@sangomasmith Күн бұрын
I'm unreasonably upset at whoever took that video for being unable to pan down to get a full-frame shot of a GIANT FREAKING EXPLOSION.
@whatthefunction9140
@whatthefunction9140 2 күн бұрын
Its a new age of static liftoffs. What a time to be alive
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 күн бұрын
Well, the management was objecting to the cost of such static fires and demanded some distance traveled for the expense...
@SocksWithSandals
@SocksWithSandals 2 күн бұрын
Hold onto your papers 📃 👋🏼
@FreeRadicalX
@FreeRadicalX 2 күн бұрын
I always appreciate how Scott approaches these events with an enthusiastic analysis and curiosity, without any unnecessary and distasteful nationalism or jingoism that many others seemingly can't help but be distracted by. He was both critical of the failure and directly cautious of how bad it could have gotten, but to the same degree that he would have invariably been of a similar incident happening here in the US.
@EditEvidence
@EditEvidence 2 күн бұрын
I am not like that. I will state clearly that china is a 'one-copy-country'. you don't like to hear that? I don't care.
@MiTheMer
@MiTheMer 2 күн бұрын
@@EditEvidence Well, the rocket may be copied from visuals, but still developed by them since it isn't as if SpaceX is giving the whole blueprints or allow you to buy and study one...
@oberonpanopticon
@oberonpanopticon 2 күн бұрын
⁠@@EditEvidencewhat about all the US companies copying the falcon 9? You seen the Terran R?
@MiTheMer
@MiTheMer 2 күн бұрын
​@@EditEvidence Being from the EU with the not all that innovative Ariane 6, I kinda wish our ESA would have done the same, lol.
@xc43t
@xc43t 2 күн бұрын
@@EditEvidence It´s a phallic object that is supposed to fly. Nobody is reinventing the wheel here, perhaps with the exception of SpaceX and I am quite certain that when the first "car" was invented people were not thinking... I should have mine with 5 wheels instead of 4 so I am better and people don´t think I am copying the other guy. It´s a bit like AK-47 is supposed to be a copy of StG 44 because they look similarly or vz. 58 should be a copy of AK-47 despite having different internal mechanism. Just grow up.
@rickydeldo8596
@rickydeldo8596 13 сағат бұрын
Very well done, i guess they learned from this more then from only a static test.
@Skip6235
@Skip6235 Күн бұрын
It is absolutely outrageous that they are allowed to test like that so close to an urban area. That is crazy dangerous and they are super lucky it just happened to head in the one direction that was unoccupied.
@kingjojojo1
@kingjojojo1 Күн бұрын
its china
@tonfleuren3536
@tonfleuren3536 Күн бұрын
newsflash: China doesn't care about the peasants
@ifedhimspaghetti
@ifedhimspaghetti Күн бұрын
The Wuhan Institute of Virology Liked this Post
@JR-kx3jr
@JR-kx3jr Күн бұрын
Who’s gonna tell them not to?
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 11 сағат бұрын
Only some innocent people may die. So what?
@ajnaguy
@ajnaguy 2 күн бұрын
Scott Manley: "...which would result in leaks, fire, engine failure..." Bill Murray: "Dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!"
@UnitSe7en
@UnitSe7en Күн бұрын
So which one of you has the small penis?
@vincewilson1
@vincewilson1 2 сағат бұрын
When I was a kid my parents had several dogs and cats living together. They were the best of friends.
@ajabusamra3901
@ajabusamra3901 Күн бұрын
Wow ! Thanks Scott! Fly safe ! (Ly) 😊
@shaggyofwv
@shaggyofwv Күн бұрын
Copying everyone’s homework is what china does best.
@jonathanwarnes2230
@jonathanwarnes2230 2 күн бұрын
I've never heard the end "Fly Safe" hit with more meaning and impact. Thank you Scott, and thank you China! This has been a blast.
@simongeard4824
@simongeard4824 Күн бұрын
"Fly... not like that."
@alexgamer3312
@alexgamer3312 19 сағат бұрын
That's beyond reckless behavior! Hope China could get their own FAA after this ridiculous accident.
@greggoog7559
@greggoog7559 Күн бұрын
Rocket flying off during static fire is one of the funniest launch failures I've heard so far 😃
@danuttall
@danuttall Күн бұрын
Isn't the reverse of a launch failure? You did not want it to fly, but it did.
@mobiuscoreindustries
@mobiuscoreindustries Күн бұрын
​@@danuttallrapid unscheduled flight
@michaeldemarco9950
@michaeldemarco9950 21 сағат бұрын
Personally, I liked the launch last year that went sideways.
@richard.20000
@richard.20000 21 сағат бұрын
But once those clamps failed to hold, then the rocket has to be let leave. Otherwise it would fall down and explode at launch pad and destroy everything. So it looks reasonable up to here. However the auto destruction should have been activated in safe altitude, manually from control room. Certainly they didn't expected it will launch so explosive charges wasn't installed? It might seem funny but from engineering stand point there not much you can do when the rocket flies off during static test. It reminds me grasshopper explosions. However Chinese have some balls to fly these experiments in close urban area 🤟 Looks like China doesn't have Bezos who will sue and slow you down for any bended grass straw.
@mobiuscoreindustries
@mobiuscoreindustries 15 сағат бұрын
@richard.20000 there was no FTS since you do not usually install one before any flight operation since it is not needed. Also, China routinely has first stage boosters uncontrollably land near or into populated areas, which has caused casualties. They also have yhe 5B which leaves its entire first stage in orbit to uncontrollably re-enter anywhere on the planet. Having a rocket accidentally flies, while only a few KM from a population center is not going to bother the Chinese gov.
@daktus05
@daktus05 Күн бұрын
I love how the wikipedia page now says for the announced flight tests with the numbers "Y1" "Y2" and "Y3" outcome: planned and for this rocket outcome: unexpected liftoff
@tealpacific7029
@tealpacific7029 Күн бұрын
Thank you for this analysis of the video. There was a whole lot I did not know or realize, and am glad you covered.
@petera6984
@petera6984 2 күн бұрын
60 years of watching rocket launches, My lifelong question has been answered.
Күн бұрын
Something got built TOFU, the metals might have been the same quality as what Boeing bought that was CCP counterfeit.. Chinese titanium is actually gold anodized cast aluminum, so maybe those bolts that were specked to hold 10,000 pounds each at 4,000F held 200 pounds and melted at 500F.. This is the same reason engines fall off of passenger jets when they are taking off..
@PsychoticWolfie
@PsychoticWolfie Күн бұрын
In all likelihood they just forgot to account for the extra thrust from not having a second stage on top. Rookie mistake honestly, but would result in exactly what we see here.
@francom6230
@francom6230 Күн бұрын
​@@PsychoticWolfiethat is a biG oversight ..but a reasonable possibility too.. 😮
@mintheman7
@mintheman7 Күн бұрын
Oh yeah, the CPC is the root cause for all Boeing’s problems, there’s no limit to US “exceptionalism.” 😂
@prastagus3
@prastagus3 Күн бұрын
you do know CHinese rockets have the HIGHEST launch success right?
@JeffBilkins
@JeffBilkins 2 күн бұрын
Well, at least it was just Kerosine and not Hydrazine so there is that.
@recurvestickerdragon
@recurvestickerdragon Күн бұрын
would have made Bhopal look benign
@JohnDoe-420
@JohnDoe-420 20 сағат бұрын
@@recurvestickerdragon Intelsat 708 launch ('96). Chinese rocket went sideways, crashed into nearby village. Hundreds dead. The village no longer exists and has been scrubbed from places like Wikipedia (thanks, CCP), but you can find old news articles talking about it since the Intelsat team was on site for the launch. That launch basically killed export licenses to China singlehandedly and is the reason American companies won't launch Chinese, NASA won't cooperate with CNSA, etc.
@gregrich91
@gregrich91 Күн бұрын
this is why FAA requires a Flight Termination System on our rockets.
@user-oo1yk6is9e
@user-oo1yk6is9e 8 сағат бұрын
Great video.
@UnscannableDrew
@UnscannableDrew 2 күн бұрын
The tables have turned in the longstanding rocket-scientist/clamp-scientist rivalry.
@richardcallihan9746
@richardcallihan9746 Күн бұрын
Looks like you've had too much to think!!! Don't speak out or question. Closed minds Stop thought crimes!
@PsychoticusRex
@PsychoticusRex Күн бұрын
I'm honestly more amazed they ran, let alone launched a rocket within 20 km of a freaking city. OMFG.
@animattronic
@animattronic Күн бұрын
Save Face > Safety
@dcc70
@dcc70 Күн бұрын
It wasn't supposed to launch
@kenoliver8913
@kenoliver8913 Күн бұрын
Virtually everywhere in eastern China is within 20km of a city - 1.5 billion people take up a lot of space. OTOH launching it from western China means it has to overfly those cities anyway. They really needed to be launching from Hainan, not Hunan - but then their recovery barge would have to be in the South China Sea with obvious political difficulties.
@VanquishedAgain
@VanquishedAgain Күн бұрын
Um... Kennedy Space Center is within 20km of a city lol. This looks closer than 20km tho.
@olligesd9343
@olligesd9343 Күн бұрын
The communists don't really give a crap about their citizens. Look at all their test launches over the last 5 years. Lots of launched material landed in high population density areas.
@TheRigmarol
@TheRigmarol Күн бұрын
They did a great job on the belly flop maneuver!
@AleksRokitski
@AleksRokitski Күн бұрын
I've asked before a few times Scott, but this is the prime opportunity - please do a video on test stands and how these tests manage to hold back the fury? (When they work!)
@DanielRichards644
@DanielRichards644 2 күн бұрын
"Which is NOT what this Stage Did", Savage Scott Manley is the best Scott Manley
@user-od1fo3lj4q
@user-od1fo3lj4q 2 күн бұрын
If you say so, I find him rather dull and boring
@SpiritOfFire88L
@SpiritOfFire88L 2 күн бұрын
​@@user-od1fo3lj4q Then why are you here?
@thomashiggins9320
@thomashiggins9320 Күн бұрын
@@user-od1fo3lj4q Then WTF are you doing here?
@koffeekage
@koffeekage 2 күн бұрын
This is Civilization 5 where you put the spaceport and have bunches of neighborhoods around it.
@williambrasky3891
@williambrasky3891 2 күн бұрын
If you can dodge a ball, you can dodge a rocket.
@SmilingImp
@SmilingImp 2 күн бұрын
to be fair, I dont think they *intend* to launch rockets from there. i laughed though
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 күн бұрын
Well, there's the US model of small airfield layouts. Where at the end of every runway is a school and a church...
@Gizmadin
@Gizmadin 2 күн бұрын
Starship OLM is located only 8km from the closest 2 populated areas. That is literally nothing.
@koffeekage
@koffeekage 2 күн бұрын
@@spvillano i mean most planes aren’t loaded with hundreds of tons of toxic hypergaulics.
@Nil-js4bf
@Nil-js4bf Күн бұрын
I checked Billibilli for the native's reaction. They even reposted your video with subtitles :P One of the videos says that after the test structure holding the rocket down failed, their onboard systems automatically shut down. Another commenter referenced your video and says that did not look like a controlled shut down given that engines were burning up.
@timothyskattum950
@timothyskattum950 Күн бұрын
Absolutely love your take on this Scott. My Gawd, how fortunate are those in the surroundings. In my minds eye I really wish the US/Musk would clearly give support to this program so as to further the advancement of the entire “let’s see what else is out there” program. Scary shit right here.
@18robsmith
@18robsmith 2 күн бұрын
Newspaper headline in China - "Rocket engineer runs sub-four second mile"......
@MGZetta
@MGZetta 2 күн бұрын
It ain't western media. Lol
@danielxia7708
@danielxia7708 2 күн бұрын
“china has launched its first commercial missile”
@ronjones-6977
@ronjones-6977 Күн бұрын
@@danielxia7708 And like most commercials, it only lasted 30 seconds.
@stevenclloyd
@stevenclloyd 2 күн бұрын
when your launch clamps are on the same action group as toggle engines
@DandSCreations
@DandSCreations Күн бұрын
Underrated comment
@recurvestickerdragon
@recurvestickerdragon Күн бұрын
check yo stagin'
@FutureSystem738
@FutureSystem738 Күн бұрын
LOL :-) Great job, launching well ahead of schedule. LOVE it ❤️
@ResortDog
@ResortDog Күн бұрын
To be honest, there has never been an espionage ring of such high quality ever before.
@WWIflyingace62
@WWIflyingace62 2 күн бұрын
A sadly catastrophic example of why ground equipment is just as important as flight hardware. There's a reason why SpaceX calls it "stage zero".
@JZsBFF
@JZsBFF 2 күн бұрын
Unfortunate accidents like that make one appreciate the extraordinary trackrecord of SpaceX people even more. It appears that reaching orbit IS rocket science afterall.
@sigmasquadleader
@sigmasquadleader 2 күн бұрын
They learned it from NASA.
@filanfyretracker
@filanfyretracker 2 күн бұрын
And why most other countries tend to test their rockets at the ass end of nowhere.
@Tevon93
@Tevon93 2 күн бұрын
@@sigmasquadleaderReally? Where are NASA’s reusable rockets then? Why does NASA rely on SpaceX to launch astronauts to the international space station? Why didn’t they just build their own rocket to do that? Not saying that NASA couldn’t do it, but SpaceX deserves all the praise and credit for what they are doing.
@MistedMind
@MistedMind 2 күн бұрын
@@filanfyretracker It's not even that China doesn't have uninhabited areas... They just don't seem to care :D
@jaroslavpesek6642
@jaroslavpesek6642 2 күн бұрын
@@filanfyretracker You mean like SpaceX testing their biggest rocket two kilometres from a village?
@ShipinPro
@ShipinPro Күн бұрын
Looks like with all that thrust there could have been a structural failure of the rocket shell ripping it off the test stand and taking off. However I am impressed that the on-board computer managed to gimbal the engines and it took off straight.
@vorlon81
@vorlon81 Күн бұрын
Wow a Video from Scott so fast when it is a Chinese Rocket Mishap. Gotta be a Record.
@mashiniwami
@mashiniwami 2 күн бұрын
My guess is not fully loaded with LOX. When the LOX ran out, black smoke and of course, no thrust. Kerosine remaining makes a nice fireball.
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266 2 күн бұрын
It all depends on the internal structure of the tanks you can't fully fuel one section of it and leave the others empty because it won't hold the other section up
@ryelor123
@ryelor123 2 күн бұрын
@@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266 It depends on the rocket. Some rockets have a rigid enough structure they're not relying on take pressure. I'd imagine that a rocket designed to land would be more rigid.
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266
@weedmanwestvancouverbc9266 2 күн бұрын
@@ryelor123 it would be designed to land on completely empty tanks, but not with probably much more than a partial fuel load
@dphuntsman
@dphuntsman 2 күн бұрын
We don’t want to be so arrogant that we think there is nothing that couldn’t be learned from this- if only we ever found out what the exact failure mode was. I’m really worried that we never will learn, either. FOR EXAMPLE: Years before the first three Apollo astronauts died in the Apollo 1 fire, a Russian cosmonaut died in a similar situation- but, the USSR kept the whole thing secret. IF they had been open about the whole thing and shared information, the Apollo 1 fire could have been avoided, because NASA would have been forced to re-evaluate its own design flaws and redesign things. - Dave Huntsman
@MrEnyecz
@MrEnyecz 2 күн бұрын
And that would help a lot to the Apollo program, which the Russians didn't want at all...
@ki5aok
@ki5aok 2 күн бұрын
First, the Soviets weren't going to say anything for two important reasons: 1. To be open about any of their failures would, in their eyes, make them look weak to the rest of the world. They wanted to look like a powerhouse to the rest of the world and any failures, even those that were considered learning experiences during testing, could never be seen by the rest of the world. 2. To be open about the failures would also give the United States an advantage. You are likely correct that NASA would likely have evaluated the design and made modifications, but that could mean the United States gets to the Moon sooner. The Soviet government was not going to have that happen if they could help it. Second, comparing on how NASA has treated safety issues during the Shuttle program, I would doubt that anything would change, even if the Soviets were opened about their incident. The United States government were just as hellbent on beating the Soviets to the Moon as the Soviets were to the U.S. They would likely deny that there were any issues with their craft, even go as far as claiming that their Apollo capsule is superior in design over the Soviet's. This would likely still ended up with the on-board fire that killed those three astronauts. NASA may have some of the most skillful engineers and scientists out there and those guys would likely see the flaws in their design if the Soviets were more opened and would go to great lengths to fix it if given an opportunity, but I don't hold the same feeling for NASA's management. History showed time and time again that NASA's management is more concerned about looking good than safety concerns.
@dphuntsman
@dphuntsman 2 күн бұрын
@@ki5aok You’re saying contradictory things; that NASA would have acted on any Soviet release of information, or NASA management would have ignored it. I spent 46 years at NASA; started as a GS-3- lower than most secretaries- up thru 9 years as a Senior Executive. If you have any specific questions about the agency, just ask; don’t pontificate. - Dave Huntsman
@ki5aok
@ki5aok 2 күн бұрын
@@dphuntsman Am I? Wouldn't be the first time I contradicted myself. What sounds logical in my head doesn't always come out on paper that way. Well, I guess my thought goes back to the Challenger incident, where engineers were telling management that it was dangerous to launch with a frozen o-ring, but management pressured Thiokol to give the green light. Seventy-three seconds after liftoff, no more shuttle. Then, four or six launches later (forget how many, but it was not long after the Shuttle launches restarted), a piece of foam insulation hits the leading edge of the wing on Atlantis, causing damage to the wing. The only saving grace was that the foam insulation it an area that housed the communications antenna, which was reinforced. NASA didn't do anything, and in 2003, Columbia was hit with a piece of foam insulation, only this time, it hit an area that wasn't reinforced, causing the loss of Columbia upon re-entry. Maybe NASA wasn't like that in the 60s and 70s and I'm just projecting my bias on those people responsible for getting us to the moon based on more current events. If so, then that''s wrong of me to do, and I apologize.
@beenaplumber8379
@beenaplumber8379 2 күн бұрын
@@ki5aok It seems to me Apollo 1 was simply a matter of not respecting the difference between pressure and partial pressure. They knew the difference, but they didn't act accordingly. I think they knew that exact fire scenario was a possibility even without knowing the nature of the Soviet accident, but they didn't appreciate how much the risk was made worse by their wiring. I mean, the whole point of pure O2 is to allow breathing at a much lower pressure, allowing a lighter pressure vessel structure, so it's the pressure (& therefore density) of the O2 only that matters. Other gases are irrelevant. Adding N2 or Ar to allow the correct partial pressure of O2 would not have interfered with their testing. It was a stupid risk (in hindsight), but I think they took that risk knowing what could happen.
@mururoa7024
@mururoa7024 Күн бұрын
On the contrary, they perfectly replicated a typical SpaceX test. I say mission accomplished. 😉👍
@frallorfrallor3410
@frallorfrallor3410 Күн бұрын
I did not know uli behringer would go this far cloning space rockets 😂
@alexandergordon_me
@alexandergordon_me 2 күн бұрын
US rocket launch regulations: Don't disturb the turtles. Chinese rocket launch regulations: Next to a city, yeah sure.
@draker769
@draker769 2 күн бұрын
I think it is a village, look at the style of building
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 күн бұрын
Well, they simply cut corners similar to SpaceX, but the blast deflector held, instead the backup Temubolts failed and the primary hook and loop fasteners failed, resulting in the unintended lock release of the spacecraft. Should've had a third backup of zip ties...
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE 2 күн бұрын
​@@spvillanoAh, that was where they made the mistake... Rookie move using velcro instead of duck tape! 😅 If you're going to use velcro, you've *gotta* supplement it with zipties.
@iFryTube
@iFryTube 2 күн бұрын
They had another rocket failure, literally landed on villagers homes, burning their homes, killing people and CCP absolutely WILL NOT compensate. In fact if you complain and make a big fuss on it, your social credit score could get low enough that you cant go to school, hold a job, board trains, even leave the country. And that's why North Korea and China are BFF's with Iran too
@wilroyjonta7282
@wilroyjonta7282 Күн бұрын
@@draker769well actually it’s near by a city with population of 800K
@otpyrcralphpierre1742
@otpyrcralphpierre1742 2 күн бұрын
What goes Up, Must come Down. Except StarLiner...
@CumulusGranitis
@CumulusGranitis 2 күн бұрын
Ohhhhhhhhhh...... Love it. ROTF-LOL
@richardnicklin654
@richardnicklin654 2 күн бұрын
It’ll come down when SpaceX deorbit the space station.
@weschilton
@weschilton 2 күн бұрын
Zing!
@gorgonbert
@gorgonbert 2 күн бұрын
🤭
@ionicwake
@ionicwake 2 күн бұрын
Best comment. Hands down.
@miklov
@miklov 17 сағат бұрын
I never realized it might be a good idea to include some sort of remote detonation feature for static tests as well.
@DelverRootnose
@DelverRootnose 22 сағат бұрын
Awesome report, Thanks Mr Manley. I'm hoping china will continue to experiment with throttleable engines at unusual attitudes as I feel this is an important research avenue.
@smile768
@smile768 2 күн бұрын
The good news is I've saved loads of money on the launch restraints. The bad news is... We'll need a new rocket and a new mountain.
@donaldli1864
@donaldli1864 Күн бұрын
Congratulations to you Scott
@Greenmachine305
@Greenmachine305 2 күн бұрын
"clamp scientists" lol
@outtakontroll3334
@outtakontroll3334 2 күн бұрын
you can never have too many
@beenaplumber8379
@beenaplumber8379 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I think that's an engineering thing, not so much science.
@Greenmachine305
@Greenmachine305 2 күн бұрын
@@beenaplumber8379 Agreed. Mechanical, structural and civil engineering. I don't recall there being a "clamp scientist" course being offered. It just struck me as really funny terminology. 😂 I have designed material storage devices, does that make me a "rack scientist"? lol Going forward, you know I'm going to attach the word "scientist" to every mundane thing I design. I once had a friend who also went to university for engineering. One area of study for him was "computer science". He ended up helping to design an artificial heart among other electro-mechanical devices and some purely electronic ones. He does write code. However, when asked what his job is, he will say he is a Computer Scientist. He is not. He's a skilled and gifted engineer, but he did not invent the transistor. I would like to design a clamp that restrains his ego and put it in one of my storage devices. Perhaps then I could call myself a psychiatric engineer. Such a device would be made entirely out of words. They could be written, spoken or beamed directly into his brain.
@beenaplumber8379
@beenaplumber8379 Күн бұрын
@@Greenmachine305 Rack Science sounds like a course I would have taken in college! As a retired (neuro)scientist, I don't think the terminology of scientist vs. engineer means one is more important or more prestigious than the other (unlike Sheldon Cooper - Big Bang Theory, Young Sheldon). I credit engineers for our space program, not scientists. I don't know what Von Braun called himself, but to me he was an engineer and a visionary (and all that ugly stuff from his earlier career). Most of the knowledge to get us to the moon and beyond was already there. Maybe they needed research in materials science, maybe fuel chemistry (did they already have hypergolic fuels?), but not much else. It was mostly a matter of applying existing knowledge in incredibly clever, complex, and surprisingly robust ways. I can understand the basic principles behind most of the Apollo & Saturn V systems, even its navigation, in broad, general terms, which is what NASA engineers had to start with (plus mad, mega-nerd math skills and the almighty slide-rule), but I wouldn't have had a clue how to turn that knowledge into something as magnificent as an Apollo-Saturn vehicle. That's way above my head. I generally tip my hat to engineers. I could never do their job. It's FAR more complex than science. Scientists are generally into generating, validating, interpreting, and disseminating knowledge and its meaningfulness. (We do experiments, write papers about our experiments, attend research conferences where we drink a lot and talk about our experiments, consult statisticians to help us with the tricky parts of our experiments, and usually teach at some level.) Engineers have to figure out what the hell to do with it all. They're also the ones who often have to tell us what we got wrong. And as a retired scientist, I'm also a nerd with a lot of time on my hands. Sorry for the long post!
@Greenmachine305
@Greenmachine305 Күн бұрын
@@beenaplumber8379 Thanks for the reply. An interesting read. I'm such a nerd it took me a minute to catch on to what you meant by a college course in "Rack Science". 😂 Are you a Rackologist? Racks aren't gonna study themselves, you know.
@facsimile-io3dd
@facsimile-io3dd Күн бұрын
It was just super eager!
@jamesg2382
@jamesg2382 Күн бұрын
Thanks, great analysis. Much appreciated
@escarfangorn
@escarfangorn 2 күн бұрын
I think I'm stressed at work, but now I'm thinking about that guy who was responsible for fastening this rocket down to the pad... Dude... yo so forked...
@ald1144
@ald1144 Күн бұрын
His family's going to be like, 'what's this bill for a single bullet?'
@CumulusGranitis
@CumulusGranitis 2 күн бұрын
RUH - Rapid Unscheduled Hop? 😇 Nicely put together Scott with good engineering analysis as usual. I did notice at 3:22 Scott where you show the "blue print" view, that they even have a SpaceX style Pusher Piston tripod for stage separation. Clearly very original engineering work here by China's Pioneer Space.
@tomgidden
@tomgidden 2 күн бұрын
Rapid Unscheduled Hop Right Over Henan province. Or, "RUH ROH!" for short.
@ATH_Berkshire
@ATH_Berkshire 2 күн бұрын
When there is a technique that works why reinvent the wheel? Totally standard in any industry to look at what works on a competitors product and reproduce it.
@Sableagle
@Sableagle 2 күн бұрын
SUP? Short, Unscheduled, Parabola.
@otpyrcralphpierre1742
@otpyrcralphpierre1742 2 күн бұрын
@@ATH_Berkshire Yep. Elon even said that he's hardly patenting any part of it, and if anyone has the balls and the funds to copy it, have at it!
@CumulusGranitis
@CumulusGranitis 2 күн бұрын
@@Sableagle heheheheeh love that one.
@HendoAU
@HendoAU Күн бұрын
Everyone that worked on that rocket just lost 1000 social credit score.
@teebob21
@teebob21 Күн бұрын
Looks like they've got work to do on the mix ratio. That appeared to be somewhat engine-rich exhaust.
@genericfakename8197
@genericfakename8197 2 күн бұрын
Really quite shocking. I know the Chinese space program doesn't really care about safety, but man it was sheer dumb luck that prevented this from being a disaster. Nobody can deny their impressive progress on their space station and moon landing projects, but I wish the powers that be over there would smarten up a bit on safety.
@SifisoMoabj
@SifisoMoabj 2 күн бұрын
Bruh, what are you people even on about? This is a private company. Of course they will face failures while trying to master such a complex technology. SpaceX and NASA also experienced a lot of failures while developing rockets...
@beenaplumber8379
@beenaplumber8379 2 күн бұрын
@@SifisoMoabj I think the point is that the site was surrounded by densely populated areas. NASA and SpaceX have never done that. A test like this should be done in a remote area, even without the launch.
@SifisoMoabj
@SifisoMoabj 2 күн бұрын
@@beenaplumber8379 that's incorrect.... SpaceX starship launch site in Boca Chica Texas, is located close to populated areas.... Literally there are houses close to the launch site. Also, 6 miles from the site, there is a highly populated area called "port Isabel". A rocket could easily fall in that area if it experienced a similar failure... And in other directions, there are highly populated areas like 7/8 miles from the site... Don't try to claim "but 7 miles is very far" LMFAO. That's literally nothing for a rocket that is falling uncontrollably.... It's absolutely nothing.
@SifisoMoabj
@SifisoMoabj 2 күн бұрын
@@beenaplumber8379 it all boils down to the anti China narrative. However, I don't think these people understand that being this dramatically negative against anything China does, won't stop China from developing advanced technology. People clowned Chinese EVs in 2008.... Even Elon musk himself. Now, Chinese EVs are literally turning heads around the globe.
@sdelmonte
@sdelmonte 2 күн бұрын
@@SifisoMoabj No private company in China sneezes without getting permission from the government. They clearly had permission to build there.
@MrPinguinzz
@MrPinguinzz 2 күн бұрын
Some dude let his inner voice win and press the release clamps button
@LeCharles07
@LeCharles07 Күн бұрын
[shakes fist] Damn you intrusive thoughts!
@Ed-ts4bj
@Ed-ts4bj 15 сағат бұрын
My first thought for those hold downs what unit of measurement was the engineer using and what unit were they supposed to be using!
@IngieKerr
@IngieKerr 2 күн бұрын
pro tip: When copying designs for launch vehicles, always remember to copy the designs for the clamps! 👍
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff 2 күн бұрын
And flight termination
@krasslofw.4393
@krasslofw.4393 2 күн бұрын
When copying designs, make always sure you got an hold on the according German rocket engineer.
@asandax6
@asandax6 2 күн бұрын
And the location which is away from cities.
@Qwarzz
@Qwarzz 2 күн бұрын
@@TheWebstaff Don't need flight termination when the vehicle isn't flying... isn't meant to be flying.
@JonneBackhaus
@JonneBackhaus 2 күн бұрын
And dont use chinesium for clamp metals
@1voluntaryist
@1voluntaryist 2 күн бұрын
State subsidized? Is any big project really "private" in China? I respect SpaceX more and more every time I see the competition.
@hwg5039
@hwg5039 2 күн бұрын
As if SpaceX didn't get any help from NASA
@peterwilson7532
@peterwilson7532 2 күн бұрын
You're kidding right? Who do you think is funding Starship significantly.
@whocares427
@whocares427 Күн бұрын
There is no real difference between public and private in China. The state has absolute power and can purge anyone at any moment, so all private companies try to pro-actively work towards state policies and national interests. The CEOs essentially are allowed to manage their companies as long as they follow objectives the state sets. So really, everything is Public. It's just that some public enterprises are managed autonomously by businessmen, some are managed by co-operatives, and some are managed by the government directly. If the CCP told Tencent to close all it's games immediately, it would do it without question. Remember that the richest man in China was just made to disappear for months without a trace.
@kristoffereberius2476
@kristoffereberius2476 Күн бұрын
​@@whocares427That's the same in US, the government and national intelligence agencies would be all over a rocket launch and have ultimate control to shut it down. The crackdowns on tech giants was an attempt to pull them inline and control them, the patriots act allows for further monitoring and control, investment from politicians and military industry and tax incentives/tax cuts are all ways the government controls in thing ls like this.
@Shrouded_reaper
@Shrouded_reaper Күн бұрын
SpaceX wouldn't even exist without NASA funding Falcon 1, not to mention the huge amount of money in development contracts (F9, Dragon, Crew Dragon, HLS and now ISS deorbit) as well as government agency payloads. Obviously they have done exceptionally well, but you just can't develop these kinds of launch vehicles without substantial state backing...
@TheSafierdrgn
@TheSafierdrgn 20 сағат бұрын
The camera guy in the first video had one job...just one job.
@johndone5906
@johndone5906 Күн бұрын
Great report Scott.
@dat_chip
@dat_chip 2 күн бұрын
Thank you for the fast analysis and break-down of this fiery situation.
@rustandmagic
@rustandmagic 2 күн бұрын
"Sorry boss, it got away"
@user-vh5di2gl9b
@user-vh5di2gl9b 19 сағат бұрын
China be like, “let’s start a war where the world’s only superpower is likely to get involved. What could go wrong?”
@dyjis1yds
@dyjis1yds 18 сағат бұрын
I respect all human endeavour to space, no point laughing at others failure, hold up the spirit of science and engineering, learn from each others failure and success
@simonp4184
@simonp4184 2 күн бұрын
As Tom Lehrer sang, "Once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down..."
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 күн бұрын
Said NASA before getting the bill for a family's roof and upper floor repairs when a battery shelf from the ISS blew through that roof and upper floor. And SpaceX, before a chunk of their upper stage hit someone's roof in North Carolina and a 90+ pound chunk hit a popular hiking trail on private property in the same state.
@bofh85
@bofh85 2 күн бұрын
That's not my department says wernher von braun. Thanks now I have this in my head for hours 😂
@TheEudaemonicPlague
@TheEudaemonicPlague 2 күн бұрын
I really need to figure out where the rest of my Tom Lehrer CDs went, so I can rip them...or find them for download somewhere, 'cause this song is not on Revisited, the only CD I've found in my messy house. This song is particularly vicious in the way he went after Werner von Braun...but the truth is, he deserved it. Without him, those rockets might never have crossed the channel.
@bofh85
@bofh85 2 күн бұрын
@@TheEudaemonicPlague yeah but also without him the Americans probably never would have landed on the moon until this day
@BeardyBaldyBob
@BeardyBaldyBob 2 күн бұрын
Jesus cameraman.... You had ONE job!
@FlapJacks7
@FlapJacks7 2 күн бұрын
Man I was gonna say that
@robbybobbyhobbies
@robbybobbyhobbies 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, work out whether they would survive when the enormous tube of fiery liquid came down. I might be a little distracted in these circumstances.
@Bear-form
@Bear-form 2 күн бұрын
Yes, survive.
@kevy1yt
@kevy1yt 2 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@JeffreyGroves
@JeffreyGroves 2 күн бұрын
@@robbybobbyhobbies The breaking glass all around might have been a little distracting.
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