CHINESE CLONE ENGINES TAKING OVER THE SNOW BLOWER MARKET COULD PUT BRIGGS & STRATTON OUT OF BUSINESS

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6 жыл бұрын

I decided to check out the snow blower and lawn mower dept at my local Home Depot and I saw Ariens, Toro and Cub Cadet snowblowers all with Chinese Clone Engines on them. No branding except for the equipment manufacturer. The label on the engine was 3 different Chinese Engine companies on the respective machines. On the lawn mowers, the Toro had a label, Made in China. The Ariens snowblower had a USA built sticker, but the label in the engine was a Chinese Engine company. Damn shame! Look, I'm also of Chinese decent and I'm all for competition and understand that companies like Ariens, Cub Cadet, and Toro will try and save money if the Chinese engines are cheaper and just as reliable, but c'mon Briggs, step up your game! You don't want to end up like Sears, JC Penny, Kmart etc. Get er done!
For as long as I can remember and have worked on hundreds of small engine equipment, ive only had experience with BRIGGS, tecumseh, kohler and Honda engines...looks like as time goes on, I'll be encountering these engines from the Far East. The proof is in the pudding, haven't seen one break yet! I'm still a clone virgin.
UPDATE: Apparently Tecumseh sold their assets to LCT engines, who make the Chinese Clone Engines. The engines are so exactly made that Honda parts are interchangeable with the clones. In the end, everyone has a price!
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@damnyankeerider5959
@damnyankeerider5959 5 жыл бұрын
We live in a throw away world now. How many tv repairmen are still out there? Snowblower dies just like your tv you buy another it’s just the way it is now a days
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
True that...I used to see tube TVs on the curb on a daily basis...now I see plasmas on the curb...soon LEDs. Good for guys like me though!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Thx for the comment bud. Please subscribe, I look forward to more of your comments.
@MrThatnativeguy
@MrThatnativeguy 4 жыл бұрын
Every time I had tried to bring a newer tv for repair I’m always told , it would be cheaper if you just bought a brand new tv , so we are relegated to throwing our stuff out because there is no other option and all our electronic waste is shipped overseas which is also horrible.
@ragingbullhcwf
@ragingbullhcwf 6 жыл бұрын
Ariens Snowblower (AX) engines are made by a company called LCT (Liquid Combustion Technology) LCT used to be Tecumseh. My small engine mechanic reports very little issues with LCT motors other than fuel-related problems due to stale/unstabilized fuel. They use cast-iron cylinder sleeves and have dual ball-bearings to support the crankshaft. I don't know anything about the other Chinese clone engines.
@wesleyhoare789
@wesleyhoare789 6 жыл бұрын
ragingbullhcwf ariens sound good if its Tecumseh related it should good grand father has a cub cadet 2000 or so dual wheel one and its tecumseh its not bad
@pagodad2036
@pagodad2036 4 жыл бұрын
My 3 year old lct already has a fuel leak. Always use non oxy fuel and stabilizers over summer for the blower.... never had that problem on a Honda motor
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
Good to know: Tecumseh and Kohler were the ONLY engines that could compete with Briggs & Stratton for quality, and serviceability. Back in their day, they too, were easy to find parts for. The clone engines are very difficult to find parts for. I have no trouble finding parts for Briggs & Stratton. Honda is pretty good, but, the parts are very expensive.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
@@pagodad2036 My only complaint with Honda, is that they burn too much oil. Other than that, they run great, very reliable.
@jeffstewart3978
@jeffstewart3978 5 жыл бұрын
US Tecumseh used to build all the snow blower motors and sold them in over 120 countries world wide...no longer. SAD! Now it's Chinese clone motors.
@TheOldGord
@TheOldGord 3 жыл бұрын
When Tecumseh moved their manufacturing to China, they killed their company.
@dr.detroit1514
@dr.detroit1514 2 жыл бұрын
I have lawn, garden and snow equipment ranging from 1967 to 2001. Lawn-Boy, Craftsman, MTD, Yard Machines. OMC, Briggs, Tecumseh engines. AFAIK, all made in USA everything. I keep 'em inside the garage, religiously maintain and care for them, I fully expect them to be still running as new at the estate sale after I'm gone.
@ROK-lp3cs
@ROK-lp3cs 4 жыл бұрын
I see Briggs and Stratton 1&2 stage snowblowers at Menards. They used to be Murray snow blowers with Tecumseh Engines. My 828 John Deere snowblower has a Tecumseh engine. I know several people that are still using snow blowers with Tecumseh engines and they are working great still.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 4 жыл бұрын
Me included...I have a lot of Tecumseh engines.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
Tecumseh engines were every bit as good as Briggs & Stratton, and , along with Kohler, was Briggs & Stratton's biggest rival.(Sad to seem them go!😪)
@renhoek1967
@renhoek1967 3 жыл бұрын
I'll take a Tecumseh on a snowblower any day. Damn shame.
@crisprtalk6963
@crisprtalk6963 3 жыл бұрын
I got a 10 year old generator with chinese engine.. still kicks ass.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 3 жыл бұрын
You maintain it well I’m sure.
@cardo1111
@cardo1111 6 жыл бұрын
Good vid. I like the way you covered a lot of equipment in a short time. Briggs Snowblower engines are manufactured in China. You Will find 420cc Briggs engines on many Ariens Pro series snowblowers. Ariens is now using EFI technology on a few of their machines. You will not find an American built engine on a 2 stage snowblower today. Honda 2 stage snowblower engines are made in Malaysia or Thailand. LCT is an American company like Briggs that manufactures in China. LCT took over Tecumseh's technology and hired many of their engineers.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+cardo good info cardo. I'd love to see an efi engine.
@jamesorsby7553
@jamesorsby7553 4 жыл бұрын
The Chinese can build an engine cheaper, but they can’t come close to building them more reliable than the US. Briggs and Stratton and Tecumseh engines were workhorses that were literally like the Energizer bunny...refused to die.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, the Briggs flatheads and Tecumseh snow Kings
@applianceman6009
@applianceman6009 3 ай бұрын
I got nothing against the Loncin and LCT engines. They are actually decently built. I just like the Tecumseh Snow King engines the best. Tecumseh ruled the snow blower market for several decades.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 3 ай бұрын
Yes great snow king engines
@crisco1818
@crisco1818 Жыл бұрын
Thats what you get at a big box store. The Chinese engine. If you want to get a Briggs order from a Aries a or Toro dedicated supplier. Many engine options.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers Жыл бұрын
Hah! Ariens are LCT engines made in China, toro has Powermore zongshen engines. Unless it’s high end, it’s chinese
@elfiero50
@elfiero50 3 жыл бұрын
Something that so many people miss is: ALL major manufacturers of lawn and garden equipment are publicly held companies. They MUST return a dividend to the investors( you and I) each and every quarter. Part of that process is to reduce costs. Part of that is using the cheapest engines they can buy. If there was American engine to pick from and any of the manufacturers used them, no one could afford to buy their snowblowers or anything else they sold,effectively killing all their sales. Would this be a good business model? I think not.
@EuropeanMedia
@EuropeanMedia 3 жыл бұрын
Well done for pointing this out just about 3 years ago...........You where right!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 3 жыл бұрын
Thx for noticing.
@UhBuddy1976
@UhBuddy1976 5 ай бұрын
OK it looks like I commented on this video four years ago. However, Briggs & Stratton does have engine factories in China that they own an operate. It just may not be on the engine, but those engines very well could be Briggs & Stratton motors this just not labeled that way.I do hate to see them not making them here in America though. They still have the market when it comes to gasoline push mowers.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 ай бұрын
If it was a Briggs engine, I’m sure they’d put the label on there to get more money.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
I tested a generic engine called a "Predator" from Harbor Freight, and was shocked what a good engine it turned out to be, for the low price. Briggs & Stratton have their hands full with this one. It's not as good quality, but, at less than 1/2 the price for the same horsepower rating, they are good value.(I, myself, am going to stick with Briggs & Stratton) The Honda clones made in China, often referred to as "Chonda's" are actually BETTER than the actual Japanese Hondas. They don't consume nearly as much oil as the original Honda engines. I find that the Briggs engines are better yet. (well worth the extra money) The Briggs & Stratton engines are more expensive than the Chinese engines, but much less expensive than Honda, but better than either one of them.
@scrambler69-xk3kv
@scrambler69-xk3kv 7 ай бұрын
B&S engines in recent years are not the B&S of old. quality has gone down tremendously in recent years. Every time I start my father in law's lawnmower with a B&S engine it smokes like a you know what. and no, it is not overfilled. I did grounds maintenance working for a local school district for 35 years, and I have a lot of experience with B&S. So when I bought a new snow blower, I bought an Ariens with a LCT engine and three years later no problems and no smoke when I start it.
@mib20000
@mib20000 6 жыл бұрын
here is a list of snowblower engines>>> Briggs & Stratton Snow Series: All B&S motors are labeled as such. B&S snow engines are warrantied by B&S, not the snow blower manufacture it is mounted on. B&S snow engines that are made in the USA have the “made in USA” sticker on them. Ariens Polar Force engines are B&S. According to the Briggs & Stratton website the following engines are NOT made in the U.S.A. 800, 900, 1150, 2100 Snow Series™ Source: Briggs & Stratton Engine Manufacturing Locations LCT: Ariens AX, LCT Snow King and Storm Force, LCT engines have LCT on the valve cover. Storm Force, Ariens AX, and Snow King are LCT engines. You will mainly see this brand on Ariens, Sno-tek and Husqvarna Snow blowers but there are a few smaller brands now using this manufacture. LCT reliability on the Ariens and Husqvarna snow throwers is becoming legendary. LCT engines on Ariens and Husqvarna snow blowers are warrantied through the respective Ariens and Husqvarna dealers. LCT engines mounted on Power Smart snow blowers are warrantied through LCT PowerMore™ OHV Winterized Engines: This motor is usually labeled the same as the snow blower it is mounted on. In other words if you buy a Craftsman snow blower it will be labeled as a Craftsman engine. Cub Cadet, Troy-Bilt, and Yard Machines engines are PowerMore. All PowerMore engines are warrantied through the snow blower brand they are mounted on. Loncin: Toro’s Premium Engine is made by Loncin, one of China’s largest motorcycle manufacturers. They make their 87cc, 99cc, 163cc, 212cc, 265cc and 302cc engines. Like LCT and Powermore the reliability is way up compared to your old Tecumseh or Briggs engine. All Honda single-stage machines for the USA and Canada market are manufactured at the Honda plant in Swepsonville, NC. This includes the entire engine, from casting to final machine work and assembly. I believe Honda is the only current USA-market snowblower manufacturer who makes both the engine and snowblower at a USA factory. Starting in May 2015 all Honda 2-stage snowblowers for the USA and Canada market are manufactured at the Honda plant in Swepsonville, NC.. Tecumseh: Lawson Power Products (Tecumseh:) quit making engines in 2008. LCT has partnered with them and is now using the technology and brand names from the old Tecumseh product line.
@jakp8777
@jakp8777 5 жыл бұрын
The problem is simple. You are looking at snowblowers at Home Depot. There’s some good stuff at Home Depot like Klein tools and some Dewalt. You really need to go to a professional store that sells quality to the pros. I was looking at pressure washers at Home Depot this week and all were Ryobi junk or a $700 dewalt with a Honda. None with brass pumps, especially a Cat pump. Drove 4 blocks to Lowe’s, they have a American made craftsman with a American made Briggs motor for $300. It’s a mostly aluminum pump (as expected at that price), but if I do more research on that model and it’s pump I’ll get it.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I know what to expect. The average home owner would be fine with this selection.
@M70ACARRY
@M70ACARRY 3 жыл бұрын
My new Yardmax wood splitter has a Briggs
@andybub45
@andybub45 4 жыл бұрын
Its not like the newer briggs and stratton engines are built that much better than the chinese ones anyway.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 4 жыл бұрын
True, I think Briggs only makes the commercial turf in the USA
@107retired
@107retired 6 жыл бұрын
My ariens wasn’t an engine issue...it was cheap made drive gears a poor belt alignment
@geraldwilcox2427
@geraldwilcox2427 6 жыл бұрын
Hay, Cole, you haven't been around long enough to know much about tecumseh engine. I worked on them befor your dada was born.
@schomminater
@schomminater 4 жыл бұрын
I'm still using a 1997 9 horse YardMan with a Tecumseh. Still a very good engine and it runs like new. My small Toro snowblower was made in 2007 and still uses the Lawn-Boy 2-cycle engine. It too runs like a Swiss watch with no issues.
@jonienglish3231
@jonienglish3231 6 жыл бұрын
i have a 300o psi , BE Pressure washer with clone engine , still working , after 4 year not bad for price $300 at home depot
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Joni English yeah, I guess the Chinese know what they're doing, briggs is going to go out of business if they don't start doing something fast.
@jonienglish3231
@jonienglish3231 6 жыл бұрын
the BRIGGS EXECUTIVES all about Numbers and Bottom Line, thats what GM did before flooding the MArket with OLDSMOBILE, Pontiac clones of Camaro and Buick . not before Honda , Kia and Hyundai Shut them Down .look at the Harbour freight Predator engines !!! less than $200 bucks for new engine .
@iiweeldman
@iiweeldman 5 жыл бұрын
I’m actually in the market for a new unit and I stumbled across Simplicity. I was told they are owned by Briggs and Stratton and still use Briggs engines.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Thays what I heard too, but most of Briggs engines are made in China too! Their high end commercial stuff is still made un the USA.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
@@MowersNBlowers Some of the V-Twin "Vanguard" engines are actually made by Daihatsu, a sub-division of Toyota motors. None the less, they're very good engines.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 4 жыл бұрын
Vincent Robinette I had a friend who actually owned a 3 cylinder daihatsu, it ran forever!
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
@@MowersNBlowers With any decent maintenance, those engines will often out-last the equipment they're on. They seem to last forever in forklifts, and man lifts.
@bobleonardsnowplowserviceo2632
@bobleonardsnowplowserviceo2632 4 жыл бұрын
If I know two things it's Briggs & Stratton probably makes one fifth of the world's small engines under many brand names. In those Chinese clone Motors are awesome quality you can't knock it. I've owned Predator Motors Titan Motors MTD Motors and Briggs & Stratton motor they all look exactly the same. Probably all manufactured by the same company. Briggs & Stratton originated in America but they are very much a global company now
@brianallen0826
@brianallen0826 6 жыл бұрын
So the manufacturers have all gone to cheap engines but the price is the same or higher, then with a Briggs
@billyW-d2j
@billyW-d2j 6 жыл бұрын
Fairly sure that Tecumseh was the engine utilized by Ariens, not that it matters, you made the point.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Billy Walter tecumseh hasn't made motors for many years..that Ariens engine was a LCT or loncin engine.
@aol11
@aol11 5 жыл бұрын
I'm installing a predator 6.5 HP on my Ariens 724 to replace the Tecumseh. $550 at the hardware store for a Tecumseh or $99 predator from Harbor Freight. Both come ready to bolt on and run. With Harbor Freight when your warranty is up you can just pull the engine off bring it back and get a fresh one for free. After seeing this video I don't feel so bad about using a Chinese engine
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Thats why almost all small engines are chinese made. Only kohlers are american.
@aol11
@aol11 5 жыл бұрын
@@MowersNBlowers a Kohler engine to me is the Pinnacle. Just didn't have a coupon LOL
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Ive jad about 5 kohler commands...bulletproof...kohler 6.75 push mowers engines...runs great, 1 pull everytime, but i dont trust the courage.
@jakp8777
@jakp8777 5 жыл бұрын
Mowers N Blowers some Kohler engines are chinese.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
I've tested the "Predator" engines from Harbor Freight: They're amazingly good, despite the low price. Like any engine, the first oil change during break-in is key to the performance and reliability of those engines. They're difficult to get parts for, but, at that price, you can afford to replace it after a few seasons. Be careful though, the shaft size could be metric, while the shaft size on the Tecumseh is undoubtedly SAE. You might have to get a different pulley or coupler, to adapt to the new engine output shaft.
@rbhe357
@rbhe357 Жыл бұрын
LCT makes them all now.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers Жыл бұрын
Some not all! Powermore from zongshen is most of the MTD products
@UhBuddy1976
@UhBuddy1976 4 жыл бұрын
Briggs & Stratton engines are not going to go away. They have simply started having theirs made in China. I have a new chipper/shredder with a Briggs & Stratton engine that is a Honda Chinese clone. In my opinion they are better than the ones that are made in the USA. Even the USA Briggs engines have gotten better though.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt be so confident...they had a 31 million loss. And layoffs, plus Wisconsin factory closure. Those are not good events for a company.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
You will find that the "Chonda" engines are better than the original Honda engines. They burn less oil, and seem to start just as easy. I STILL like Briggs & Stratton better, and I am sad to see Tecumseh go, but the Chinese version of the Honda is a much better value, than genuine Honda. The clones are difficult to find parts for, but oh well: You can go to Harbor Freight, and buy a "Predator" engine, for ~$100.00, to replace it, Same fantastic engine at a low cost, just sold as a "general purpose" engine.
@UhBuddy1976
@UhBuddy1976 4 жыл бұрын
@@vincentrobinette1507 I’ve had several predator engines. They are fantastic!
@scrambler69-xk3kv
@scrambler69-xk3kv 7 ай бұрын
No way. they always smoke when you first start the damn things. And those plastic carbs are garbage. I'll pass on those junk B&S engines.
@caretakerfochr3834
@caretakerfochr3834 Ай бұрын
And you know where B&S is now made?
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers Ай бұрын
Yes! China
@billmarshall3082
@billmarshall3082 5 жыл бұрын
MTD makes most blowers for the various companies to their specs,I presume.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Yes MTD makes some craftsman products as well. Thanks for the comment! Hope you subscribed and I look forward to seeing your comments in the future.
@alexg7856
@alexg7856 4 жыл бұрын
Cub Cadet is MTD as well. They have a listing of the brands they make on their site: www.mtdproducts.com/equipment/mtdproducts/our-brands
@raymondj8768
@raymondj8768 6 жыл бұрын
if we dont come down on the $ for our stuff we will go outta biss. they make the same type engines just like the hemi head briggs are !
@mattweeks2272
@mattweeks2272 6 жыл бұрын
The engine on thatAriens is built by LCT which bought the Tecumseh engine designs and patents. The toro is a Chinese clone and so is the cub cadet
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Matt Weeks yep, and I've heard good things about the Chinese engines.
@mattweeks2272
@mattweeks2272 6 жыл бұрын
Mowers N Blowers biggest thing to keep in mind about both the LCT engines and the Chinese engines is that they like to burn oil out of the box. Always check the oil level before running them. I’ve seen many of them come in seized or with blown rods due to no oil. Blowers that I service each season that I’ve done oil changes on
@Attohertz
@Attohertz 5 жыл бұрын
@@mattweeks2272 What's it like replacing a rod on these LCTs? Are the cranks usually salvageable?
@mattweeks2272
@mattweeks2272 5 жыл бұрын
Attohertz I haven’t had one come in blown up yet on them. I had one come in for a bad oil seal but that was the worst thing I’ve seen thus far.
@jonienglish3231
@jonienglish3231 6 жыл бұрын
i have a 2004 craftsman single stage 5hp briggs snow thrower made in china,a 2008 craftsman single stage 22" 5 hp briggs l head engine made in china and a 2014 craftsman snow shredder 250cc ohv briggs looks like assembled in usa the 250cc ohv looks very clone like !!!!!!!!!!!! only rated for 250 hrs !!!!!!!!!!!! thats it got it used with seized engine if you look at my video i rebuilt the engine but it only lasted 1/2 running then developed a knock all self tapping screws no nuts same unit also sold as a murray /snapper / and simplicity
@troyhulbert7794
@troyhulbert7794 3 жыл бұрын
Briggs and stratton engines are also made in China, now.
@carterxiong8878
@carterxiong8878 6 жыл бұрын
Just a recap on Ariens snowblowers. They do use Briggs & Stratton but they name it as their Ariens Polar Force engine on their Platinum and Professional model snowblowers. Ariens make their own engine so pretty much it not quite a Chinese engine clone. Toro also makes their own engines on all of their outdoor power equipment. Most snowblowers company nowadays make their own engine for it. Except for Honda snowblowers since they use their own reliable Honda engines. You might wanna check the snowblowers company websites before saying that the engine is chinese clone, you'll never know if it is or not.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Carter Xiong no..they are stamped Ariens and toro in the valve cover, they are loncin or LCT engines. Ariens and toro do not make their own engines. How about listening to yiur own advise and do some research before you say complete nonsense!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Carter Xiong while the polar is b&s, the rest are LCT, based in China with engineering from tecumseh, building engines similar to honda....thus, Chinese Clone Engines. movingsnow.com/2013/makes-ariens-ax-engine/
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 4 жыл бұрын
In this day and age, unless verified, the assumption that the engines are made in China is a safe bet. Even major brands like Briggs & Stratton and Kohler import, and rebrand engines.
@algorel4763
@algorel4763 6 жыл бұрын
The Chinese engines are Honda clones, they are built very well. (Hate to admit it)
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Al Gorel that's what I hear...cheaper and more reliable. Thanks bro for the comment.
@drakewesterman9798
@drakewesterman9798 6 жыл бұрын
Not more reliable but they are cheaper
@algorel4763
@algorel4763 6 жыл бұрын
greatoutdoors Lawncare I don’t know if they are more reliable, my LCT engine is only 3 years old, too early to tell. I have (2) 33 year old Suzuki 4 cycle engines on my Toro mowers, now that’s reliable! My Hondas don’t last that long.
@michaelmactavish1728
@michaelmactavish1728 6 жыл бұрын
kubota has there own 9.6hp up to 23.4hp gas/diesel engines options for snowblowers wich kubota engines are cheapest and reliable from japan wich kubota accully bought out kholer and briggs and making kubota briggs and kubota kholer and kubota diesels
@wesleyhoare789
@wesleyhoare789 6 жыл бұрын
I thought my power more engine carburetor looked honda industrial engine carburetor
@jackfairweather199
@jackfairweather199 6 жыл бұрын
As I understand it there are no snowblower engines made in the US anymore. Rather, they are made in China to the specs of the US manufacturer(s). i am old enough to remember when people would laugh at a "Made in Japan" label. Not anymore. I wouldn't sell the Chinese short, either.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Jack Fairweather that's a wise assessment.
@pcar5
@pcar5 5 жыл бұрын
@@Revolt2010 Chinese manufacturing technology is well ahead of the US. Their plants are new and make many of ours look like they are in the dark ages which they are in some cases.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly bro...really?
@pcar5
@pcar5 5 жыл бұрын
@@MowersNBlowers Yes, really.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
But...a discussion about mowers to a derogatory comment about jews?
@thomasjsanford6296
@thomasjsanford6296 6 жыл бұрын
Briggs & Stratton has never been a builder of Engines for snow blowers. That part of the market was, in the past, almost completely dominated by Techumseh, as the company had designed a special Carburetor for cold weather use, something B & S never spent any research time on.... It was always that simple... A Techumseh would start at 10 below zero, while a B & S probably wouldn't... My old 1970's vintage MTD 15/48 used a 15 hp Techumseh Single Cylinder engine that could be electrically started in the garage (110v Motor & Extension Cord) or you could use the Manual (pull) Starter out in the driveway I was always a B & S guy, but that ol' Techumseh would just Go and Go and Go .....
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Thomas J Sanford I had a craftsman 8.5 28 SNOWBLOWER with a briggs engine on it.
@JustinK0RPL
@JustinK0RPL 6 жыл бұрын
Do some research before polluting someone's video with your useless drivel. Briggs and Stratton DID in fact make snowblower engines. Doesn't take more that a three work Google search to find that out, but you type there paragraphs of your uninformed drivel, to make yourself sound smart..... It does just the opposite....
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Justin Korpal not sure what you are talking about, I owned snowblowers with briggs engines, I said they aren't putting them in snowblowers now as you saw in the video. Why are you so angry?
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Justin Korpal it's my video, so why would I pollute my own video?
@johnnybratsch6019
@johnnybratsch6019 5 жыл бұрын
Tecumseh didn’t make a 15hp snowblower engine dude
@northdakotakid8787
@northdakotakid8787 Жыл бұрын
Briggs did it to themselves. The engines they’ve put on zero turn mowers in the last 12 years are garbage. They have a major design flaw in their valve train design. My dad bought a new MTD snowblower about 8 years ago & I was so upset to see a foreign engine on a snowblower. I pounded the absolute snot out of it for 2 winters after he passed away and I couldn’t believe how good the motor held up. Now I’m working on the same motor for my neighbor & I’m finding these knockoff motors are not that difficult to work on.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I got a couple of cub cadets with the Powermore engines, they ran well and easy to work on.
@joestihl2234
@joestihl2234 6 жыл бұрын
change the oil after the first use,then after the second use,theyll last for ages then,gotta get all the break in crap outta them.
@noahpro7000
@noahpro7000 Жыл бұрын
the lct motors are more like a briggs copy than a honda and they are an American-owned company they are not true replicas if you are going to get a snow blower get one with lct motor both Ariens Husqvarna and yard max use them, and thay come stock with metal cam shaft
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers Жыл бұрын
They have a shell company registered in the Carolinas as their “headquarters”. Mostly administrative! Nothing is made in America. Their manufacturing is in China! 100% of their engines are made in China.
@michaelfollett2562
@michaelfollett2562 6 жыл бұрын
False! Well kinda...LCT (liquid combustion technologies) is an american based company. The engines are built in China, just like most things these days! They're actually a great engine. Had a 6 year old 208cc version in a craftsman snowblower that i sold last month. Never did a damn thing to it other than change the oil and it always started first pull.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Michael Follett yes while the websites state it as such, you're not taking the Chinese at face value. I'm of Chinese descent and a friend of mine told me that the website was designed that way to sell more engines in the US. The website is LCTUSA.com, the USA is in there to have the perception of American made! USA USA usa!! However, it's like a shell company..why not the web address LCT.com? They have offices in China and Australia. While they claim their corporate headquarters is in South Carolina...theyre main operation is China! Made in China! Who really knows what what, but someone us making a killing and I doubt it's USA. Next week theyll say theyre an Australian company. Thanks for your feedback bro.
@michaelfollett2562
@michaelfollett2562 6 жыл бұрын
I believe the only company not utilizing the LCT engines is Honda. Top of the line machine, but man do you pay for one! Similar situation going on in the powersports industry. I believe most everything polaris produces is made in Mexico. Arctic cat is utilizing Kymco engines in their ATVs and snowmobiles. CFMoto entered the american market a few years ago and their products are keeping up with with the major OEMs! Sucks that manufacturing is shipping over seas, but its proof Chinese manufacturing has come a long way!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Michael Follett hell yeah man...all the companies are making moves to stay profitable, no one really knows what's going on behind the scenes except for the ones making the big bucks. Whatever man...as long as the quality is still good.
@pattayperformance
@pattayperformance 6 жыл бұрын
Briggs and Stratton have their bigger engines made here in USA. You can tour their plant. The smaller engines that we see on mowers are made overseas. The engines you see now are made by LCT. This is a reason why I never buy a new machine. Snow King is the best engine made!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+foreverfalcon40 bring back tecumseh
@125southernnh2
@125southernnh2 6 жыл бұрын
Building a single-cylinder 4-stroke utility engine isn't rocket science. The Honda in my lawn mower was probably manufactured in Asia somewhere too.
@1995dresser
@1995dresser 6 жыл бұрын
Ever Since Tecumseh went down the Tubes ( Snow King Engine ) almost all Snow Blowers had their Engines never saw too many Briggs Engines on a Snow Blower until about 10-15 year ago now Briggs Engines are made in China and even the one that were made here had their Problems like the Oil fill Plugs falling out while Operating and Toasting the engine I had a Craftsman with a Snow King Engine that is 17 yrs old and still running I gave it to my son . now I have a Ariens compact 24 with the Ariens Engine hate to say it But it Runs Great no problem Moving the deepest snow
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+1995dresser 100% agree! Tecumseh was indeed the best engines for snowblowers. All my current snowblowers are tecumseh. LCT engines today own the rights to tecumseh as well as the snow king name, all made in China. Briggs has basically lost a ton of business on the snowblower market. I have heard good things about the chinese engines, and I have yet to encounter one, which means they're still running. I guess the proof is in the pudding.
@emanuelnamseth1469
@emanuelnamseth1469 4 жыл бұрын
It is sad when reliability has become a non issue in all aspects of life.
@coolbluelights
@coolbluelights 6 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my 20+ year old machines. The new snowblowers are garbage. they use plastic components that break easily. I have a 30 year old Ariens that will out perform these newer pieces of junk any day of the year.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+coolbluelights yes some oldies are goodies
@carlstclair-it8ij
@carlstclair-it8ij 6 жыл бұрын
So right my 1979 Ariens Sno Thro will outlast any new Ariens built today.
@Jsalrulz
@Jsalrulz 6 жыл бұрын
Even July 29th?
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Troy bilt 5/24 storm at lowes is good. Its only $599
@christinesmith7625
@christinesmith7625 5 жыл бұрын
worked on a lot of ariens years ago they would run forever and sold a lot too
@stsid1
@stsid1 3 ай бұрын
Some of the Briggs engines are Chinese clones and Briggs doesn't even carry parts for them. The model and serial numbers don't even come up on Brigg's web site. Throw away engines now.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 3 ай бұрын
What a shame
@leelantern805
@leelantern805 6 жыл бұрын
this is why my snowblower says Honda on it
@107retired
@107retired 6 жыл бұрын
No Husky?
@harrimanfox8961
@harrimanfox8961 4 жыл бұрын
Cub cadet has been garbage ever since MTD bought it from International Harvester.
@petefroud5308
@petefroud5308 6 жыл бұрын
Sad state of affairs . Even Briggs have the motors built in china . The china built stuff is junk the carbs and the components hard to sauce . Just to say you and your family have a great christmas and a happy new year. Regards Pete.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Pete Froud thanks brother, you as well!
@wesleyhoare789
@wesleyhoare789 6 жыл бұрын
I got a little somthing i want to add to this unless you work with briggs or are apart of the company the CEO of brigg was on the stock market last year say all ower motor where built in good old royal America so and he siad ower engines are ready for future from generator to mowers unless he was a American guy with a lot of story but he was on mad money with crymer
@43128lucky4
@43128lucky4 6 жыл бұрын
those are honda gx clones
@jonienglish3231
@jonienglish3231 6 жыл бұрын
AriensAX engines are supposed to be very Good !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also the POWER MORE SNOW ENGINES
@jamesorsby7553
@jamesorsby7553 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you used the appropriate term, "supposed to be". The Ariens ax engine is a Tecumseh clone, but it's not as good. The Powermore engines are Honda engine remakes, but nobody in their right mind is going to think it's as good as a true Honda engine. America is a joke now, we don't make any of our own shit anymore. SMDH
@loktom4068
@loktom4068 6 жыл бұрын
Hurray! Now these machines are no longer use by the upper class fat S anymore. It's affordable for all folks . You no longer have to wait to save enough money to purchase one. Time to celebration. Yahooooo!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
@@Revolt2010 oh...my bad bro.
@keithjg1
@keithjg1 5 жыл бұрын
Your in a box store. Why would you expect the exact same product actual dealers sell for more money? The same snowblowers a d tractors sold at the actual dealer are not the same as box store models. The serial numbers are different. Ever wonder why if you have an issue you need to call the box store 800 number to find a participating service place? Actual licensed dealers don’t want to work on box store equipment.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah man, I know that! When did I say I expected them to be the same as dealers? Just pointing out what's at home depot and their faults! Who said I was comparing?
@keithjg1
@keithjg1 5 жыл бұрын
Mowers N Blowers your whole damn video is comparing Chinese knockoffs to Briggs. 🙄
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Not comparing to dealers. Just saying theres an abundance of knock off engines and hardly any briggs engines out there. That's it...what's the arguement?
@wenli7694
@wenli7694 6 жыл бұрын
zongsheng Oem for MTD, Loncin Oem for toro. This is it. They all made in China.
@wesleyhoare789
@wesleyhoare789 6 жыл бұрын
I would rather buy a poulan my tractor is a brother hood of ariens and husquavarna and CRAFTSMEN and poulan and poulan pro and very rare brother mine is a weed eater tractor and if i had to choice i would buy that poulan because they are reasonable and more American! There all the usa has to offer for the mower world snow blowers arent the best to biggen with but i would say you would have to do some serious research
@wesleyhoare789
@wesleyhoare789 6 жыл бұрын
This is for the new stuff husquavarna snow blowers have trouble so i dont no there snow blowers are a tuff one to answer
@dsciarrino3663
@dsciarrino3663 5 жыл бұрын
Junk.
@troyhulbert7794
@troyhulbert7794 6 жыл бұрын
Briggs and Stratton are made in china too!
@stacycanady3216
@stacycanady3216 5 жыл бұрын
No
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jakp8777
@jakp8777 5 жыл бұрын
Some models not all
@chargerhp1
@chargerhp1 4 жыл бұрын
Your not at home depot in the United States the voices on the intercom are chinese behind you. The name is Ariens not Aryans
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 4 жыл бұрын
Here in NY, we say Ariens! You say it whatever way you want! I didn't hear any Chinese in the background, you should put down the pipe.
@edwardlanegraff5423
@edwardlanegraff5423 4 жыл бұрын
I heard it also you said it like aryan nation. Listen to a Ariens commercial it's not pronounced that way
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 4 жыл бұрын
@@edwardlanegraff5423 I understand that! In NY we say it that was, like some people pronounce tecumseh, or husqvarna...whatever you wanna say, you must be right! I must be wrong. Its not the end of the world. I'm not getting a fine for pronouncing. Arens wrong. Have a wonderful day.
@christinesmith7625
@christinesmith7625 5 жыл бұрын
briggs motors are poo poo years ago they were good
@jaystheone1
@jaystheone1 Жыл бұрын
From what year they drop in quality?
@christinesmith7625
@christinesmith7625 Жыл бұрын
@@jaystheone1 about 2011 retired small engine mechanic for what it is worth briggs is out of business ..
@Mr_Tecumseh
@Mr_Tecumseh 6 жыл бұрын
Well it appears these engines already have nearly 90% of the snowblower industry, only high end blowers use Briggs and they arent so great either. Its like when Tecumseh was around 90% of blowers had Tecumsehs, only a small % used Briggs, it wont put Briggs out of business though, because nearly every lawnmower and most summer equipment still uses Briggs like when Tecumseh ruled the snow. Briggs did move operations of building their engines to china to stay as profitable as possible though in 2013.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Fearless very true...lawnmowers mow are either briggs or kohler.
@loktom4068
@loktom4068 6 жыл бұрын
I have purchase 2 new Briggs & Stratton machines . One lawn mower & one snowblower . I am impress with the 1 pull first starts up quality of theses very affordable machines. Assembled in USA but manufactured in China. Great company planning and nice products from both countries to made this happens for consumers.
@Mr_Tecumseh
@Mr_Tecumseh 6 жыл бұрын
Lok Tom My backyard is filled with machines with Briggs engines and Tecumsehs and others as well. I can tell you from experience the older equipment and engines are of much higher quality than any thing they build now, especially the Chinese/American combined crap. I ran one of Briggs newer OHV engines, one that was still fully built state side. Was not impressed with it. The carbs are made of cheap porous metal that breaks down into a talcum powder substance if fuel is left in the carb accidentally. I also do not like the way those new engines run. The older L heads were much higher quality that and their updraft carbs, they were top notch engines, and as most owners and users of machines know Tecumseh made a much better winter engine. If your buying something new, you have no choice, you get what they make now and where its made. I don't buy new. All my machinary was built in the early 2000's and back. I will do my best never to buy new either, unless its honda or something of that nature. Older machines were built much heavier duty, to last, of quality. You can still buy an older used machine in good shape for a fraction of the cost and it will be a lot better than anything new. The Briggs engines built now are all copies of Honda just like honda clones. Honda was the company that first cane out with these slant head OHV engines, everyone else followed. You will pay around $400 for a Briggs honda clone when you can buy a Predator honda clone for $100 bucks, same design and the Predator is as good/better than the Briggs you pay 4x more for. The only one actually better than all of them are the original poineers of these engines in the first place, Honda, and you would pay them the most.
@mib20000
@mib20000 6 жыл бұрын
high end zero-turn mowers like Exmark, SCAG, Gravley, etc use Kohler or Kawasaki engines. My Gravely has a Kawasaki engine. Gravely is also made by Ariens. its their Heavy Duty section
@Mr_Tecumseh
@Mr_Tecumseh 6 жыл бұрын
Ed Yager I know. Its 5000 dollars just for a gravely walk behind tractor. The sno-thro attachment is another $3000 and the mower is is another $3000. Their are also a couple other attachments also super high priced. For that money you have to be a pretty wealthy do it yourselfer or doing that work commercially and making big money. But if your in that line of work you have many high end brands and options to choose from. I have the original Trac Team line machine built by Ariens in the 60's for the 10000 series. I got the blower for free and I paid $75 for the rotary mower attachment. The snowblowers 47 years old still going strong and the mower for it is the best mower I ever used. But they built stuff that was industrial grade for homeowners at that time. Now if you want something industrial grade you gotta pay big money, most residential grade made equipment is low or much lower quality. Even that new gravely attachment line is not as well built as the attachment line from 50 years ago. On the upside the Technology on this stuff today is much more advanced. Gravely used to be another fine American company like many that were around in the day. Ariens bought up Gravely in the 80's, 87 I believe. Outleast Ariens got it and kept it a quality name, not all brands were as fortunate. Ariens also owns Stens replacement parts and a few other brands at this time. Ariens is still a good American company. Most of their products arent as strong as they were 20 to 30 years ago unless you pay for the higher end stuff, but they are still a lot bettet than other companies, like MTD which owns over 30 brands now and makes a ton of garbage.
@toddjohnson7133
@toddjohnson7133 6 жыл бұрын
Sad state of affairs.
@Jeg_er_grim
@Jeg_er_grim 6 жыл бұрын
cub cadet use to be good when case-international owned the company, but since MTD bought it out cub cadet is garbage
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Tyler Kruckman MTD is gonna buy everyone out.
@Jeg_er_grim
@Jeg_er_grim 6 жыл бұрын
Mowers N Blowers yup!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Tyler Kruckman and if briggs doesn't step it up, the Chinese are going to take up the entire small engine market and MTD will buy up Briggs.
@Jeg_er_grim
@Jeg_er_grim 6 жыл бұрын
Mowers N Blowers there really is only two big names that people know anymore briggs and kohler..... i really wish Tecumseh and would get resurrected...
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+Tyler Kruckman well...tecumseh was bought by LCT engines which are the Chinese clones you see.
@wildman4642
@wildman4642 3 жыл бұрын
Send a message to these manufacturers! Don't buy this junk... There's a reason Briggs is buying out mower companies.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 3 жыл бұрын
Briggs? They’re barely hanging onto their lives!
@drakewesterman9798
@drakewesterman9798 6 жыл бұрын
Only honda snowblower don't have honda clone
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+greatoutdoors Lawncare unless the Honda engine breaks, they replace it with a cheaper clone, the parts fit...lol
@drakewesterman9798
@drakewesterman9798 6 жыл бұрын
Mowers N Blowers I did not know that thanks for the information
@loktom4068
@loktom4068 6 жыл бұрын
Honda produces lots of HONDA engines parts in China now. From cars to small engines Their managements were excellent. It's a myth about quality where they were built but whether it's the company's planning toward their product quality. That how companies do business these days to stay competitive. Or go bankrupt. That's why you don't buy Ford Pinto and GM's Chevettes. Because they were proudly made in USA but lousy as hell.
@jonienglish3231
@jonienglish3231 6 жыл бұрын
the briggs engine cheaper made than the clone crank not ball bearing !!!!!!!!!!!!! at least the clone has a ball bearing crank
@damnyankeerider5959
@damnyankeerider5959 5 жыл бұрын
Apparently you don’t understand global economy! Where do you think most of you clothes and appliances etc. are made?
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
I understand 100%, cheap labor and natural resources mean cheaper prices for the consumer. I'm not knocking it..just pointing it out.
@brickit26
@brickit26 6 жыл бұрын
Toro great American company???? Garbage
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 6 жыл бұрын
+brickit26 I dunno man...ive worked on probably 30 toro lawnmowers, the oldies are built like a rock. I've had about 20 toro snowblowers, everyone ofnthem, reliable and strong. Don't know about the new ones, but toro has never failed me. I even had two toro #wheelhorse riding mowers...both starts right up. I can only go with my own experience, but I fix my own stuff so I know what's good and what's bad.
@danielteichroeb7200
@danielteichroeb7200 3 жыл бұрын
These LCT engines are actually built in the USA. They are not a Chinese clone.Liquid Combustion Technology Why Use LCT Engines Liquid Combustion Technology (LCT) is a US owned, managed and operated company that manufactures air-cooled four cycle gasoline engines for related outdoor power equipment markets.
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 3 жыл бұрын
No they’re all made in China! LCT had administrative and engineering in South Carolina but they are built in China! Google it partner!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, they manufacture it in China but they are US owned
@joefran619
@joefran619 5 жыл бұрын
Thank Bill Clinton for the wonderful Legislation called NAFTA!
@MowersNBlowers
@MowersNBlowers 5 жыл бұрын
Love how you take a video about lawn equipment into politics. I can talk about ice cream, and you'll convert that into someone's political arena. Stay on topic.
@keithjg1
@keithjg1 5 жыл бұрын
Last I checked NAFTA meant North American Free Trade agreement. If my globe is still correct, China isn’t in North America 🙄
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