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Chris Franjola & The Lori Vallow Case

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Juicy Scoop™ w Heather McDonald

Juicy Scoop™ w Heather McDonald

Күн бұрын

Heather catches up with the hilarious Chris Franjola who explains to Heather that her sons may be scared for life by her recent nip slip. Then we get into the worst mom ever, Lori Vallow. All the latest twists and turns of this case that involves, cults, missing children, multiple marriages, and murder.
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@codyxw98
@codyxw98 4 жыл бұрын
Thank God! More of Chris and more normal shows as much as you can please!
@johndean4727
@johndean4727 4 жыл бұрын
Yessssssssss.
@Tu77289
@Tu77289 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Please!
@LC81020
@LC81020 4 жыл бұрын
Love when you have Chris on the podcast! You guys are hilarious together and have great conversation
@amyjacquelineg.9541
@amyjacquelineg.9541 4 жыл бұрын
I think your son has a future in comedy! 😄 Also, many of us are seeing our real age for the first time in a long time!!😣 Always happy to see Chris on The Scoop.👍
@booneymazz649
@booneymazz649 4 жыл бұрын
I really do love chris as a guest! Hes the best
@rx5305
@rx5305 4 жыл бұрын
I agree! They bounce off of eachother! He’s the best juicy scoop guest, we need him monthly or fortnightly
@booneymazz649
@booneymazz649 4 жыл бұрын
Rachel Solomon I agree!
@Tu77289
@Tu77289 4 жыл бұрын
Too had we didn't hear more from him!
@nightowl8172
@nightowl8172 4 жыл бұрын
That Melanie girl is like a Stepford person! This whole thing is so sketchy.
@judyengle7728
@judyengle7728 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping me get through the pandemic. Only wish you had daily podcasts.
@nwad3322
@nwad3322 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact...Keith Morrison is married to Mathew Perry’s Mother! They have been married since 1981. He has been his step father since he was a young child. His Mom and Keith have four siblings together (Mathew’s half siblings.)
@dinajacobs535
@dinajacobs535 4 жыл бұрын
That is a fun fact! I didn't know that! KM seems to be a stand up guy! Blessings
@jackselle4607
@jackselle4607 4 жыл бұрын
🤯
@farbotnik
@farbotnik 4 жыл бұрын
The neighborhood association apparently has records of phone calls at around 8:30 that night I believe complaining about the music and noise. Even if it wasn’t a “party”, if it was just Lori and Tylee and JJ, that’s still messed up that she was acting like everything was fine when her husband was just killed in that house.
@rOnda88
@rOnda88 4 жыл бұрын
farbotnik Yes, very! LV’s sister & the sister’s children were there. I’d say that alone would be considered a party. Colby left bc he found out his mom lied to him about Charles’ death. He said he stayed about 45 minutes. He just wanted out. Supposedly the party was celebrating LV’s million dollar inheritance from Charles’ death, which is sick. But, luckily Charles was way ahead of his demented wife & she got zip.
@gardener5857
@gardener5857 4 жыл бұрын
The six foot rule is arbitrary and ridiculous. If someone sneezes it can travel up to 15 - 20 feet. Regular breathing can exceed six feet. Plus, if someone is contaminated every single thing that was in their vicinity could be contaminated. The table. The mikes. Her glasses. The ipad. Geez people think for yourselves don't leave it up to the government.
@voges1001
@voges1001 4 жыл бұрын
it's a decent start. you gotta start somewhere, right?
@gardener5857
@gardener5857 4 жыл бұрын
@@voges1001 Not if it's ineffective. Just use critical thinking and evaluate the risks you are willing to make. Just know when you breathe out your saliva can and does travel more than six feet so this is just a stupid number they threw out at the sheeple. Don't be a sheeple.
@voges1001
@voges1001 4 жыл бұрын
gardener I’m agreeing with you. They just needed to say a number that corresponds to “don’t get near people.”
@MrPaultopp
@MrPaultopp 4 жыл бұрын
Does it really matter ? ....this is the smallest six foot ever
@gardener5857
@gardener5857 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrPaultopp I am so tired of watching people shut their brains off & just let that empty space get full of whatever the media and the government want us to swallow. It's so much more about "look teacher I'm following the rules" than it is about commons sense. SMH
@soxfan33
@soxfan33 4 жыл бұрын
This case has so many layers. I really needed this breakdown today. Thank you!
@Horseymama1
@Horseymama1 4 жыл бұрын
Kaye wanted to keep JJ. Charles said to her he and Lorinwould like to adopt him. Kaye and Larry decided that Lori and Charles could give JJ a great life and they agreed for JJ's sake. There was never ever any intention of them giving JJ to foster carers. They wanted him and still do.
@melaniesue8170
@melaniesue8170 4 жыл бұрын
I thought I heard Chris say that Chad Daybell was arrested. As far as I know, he has never been arrested.
@rodjames1693
@rodjames1693 4 жыл бұрын
How is this possible? Kay is Charles' Sister.....that would make Kay an Aunt?
@Horseymama1
@Horseymama1 4 жыл бұрын
Rod James Kaye and Larry have a son, he and his wife had a baby (JJ) but they had issues with drugs and couldn't cope with a baby. His parents - (Kaye & Larry) took the baby (JJ) and brought him up. When JJ got to about 18mths, Charles and Lori then approached Kaye and Larry and asked if they would agree to let them (Charles and Lori) adopt JJ. Kaye and Larry agreed as they believed that Charles and Lori could give JJ a better start and they would take on the role as 'grandparents'. So Charles is JJ's adoptive dad and uncle and Kaye and Larry are actually JJ's grandparents..
@improveyourspeakingscore380
@improveyourspeakingscore380 4 жыл бұрын
This is by far the most comprehensive information about this case. Thank you so so much. More true crime please please please
@mjbrownlee7979
@mjbrownlee7979 4 жыл бұрын
In my Danielle Staub voice ... pay attention Chris!!!!!😲😂😂
@OttawaAndy
@OttawaAndy 4 жыл бұрын
At the beginning of Alex's comedy set he says to the audience "You guys look good. Makes me wish I was straight". If that's true, it makes me wonder if he married that girl because they told him he had to be married to get a ticket to heaven. It would be interesting to find out if he had life insurance.
@francescawilliams8177
@francescawilliams8177 4 жыл бұрын
And was Lori the beneficiary
@survivaljulia9861
@survivaljulia9861 4 жыл бұрын
OttawaAndy or Lori needed someone to silence Alex, since Alex possibility killed the kids for her.
@jenjennitrite8146
@jenjennitrite8146 4 жыл бұрын
Well I believe the whole darn set of them have life insurance! Then when Lori gets low on money she has Alex to blow their damn brains out so she can pay for her new house!
@rOnda88
@rOnda88 4 жыл бұрын
OttawaAndy It is still under investigation.
@PurpleAngel88
@PurpleAngel88 4 жыл бұрын
Heather, I grew up in Utah and would love to tell you more weird stuff, that would tell you a lot about this case and people.
@ChivyD
@ChivyD 4 жыл бұрын
Heather really does not let anybody talk.
@Tu77289
@Tu77289 4 жыл бұрын
I know,,it's a shame!
@oui-nonmaybe2127
@oui-nonmaybe2127 4 жыл бұрын
It's a guilty as sin sign that Heather is Full Of __it. Can't fix stupid. It doesn't know we aren't as dumb as she tries not to sound. It's like watching Chris Watts go over in stupid sandwich and mayo and salt and pepper useless details of blah blah blah blah. Stay tune for the movie " The Black Widows of Nuts County. Give it up Amber. ~ As for Ian I really do hope he is only working undercover for the cops to find out the truth of this manner. Either way, he is in so much danger that guy.
@mscarolynnigro
@mscarolynnigro 4 жыл бұрын
Ugh. My very overweight mother used to wear sheer cotton nightgowns - no bra. Thanks for bringing that horror show back for me.
@justmissjamey
@justmissjamey 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. How vain.
@emmamartinez6476
@emmamartinez6476 4 жыл бұрын
WHERE ARE THOSE KIDS? EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THAT ABOUT CHAD DAYBELL AND THAT EVIL WOMAN LORI V> DAYBELL BUT WHERE ARE THOSE KIDS?! I MEAN IT STARTED OUT WHERE THE KIDS ARE THEN IT WENT TO SOMETHING ELSE! WE ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THOSE KIDS?!
@cosmokramer5055
@cosmokramer5055 4 жыл бұрын
Emma Martinez it’s all intertwined, they are building their case up with all the surrounding deaths. IMO those children are deceased
@oklahomagal7541
@oklahomagal7541 4 жыл бұрын
It dosent sound like you know very much about this case. Maybe you should do some further investigation into this matter, before you go on your show and sound so foolish.
@justsayin5865
@justsayin5865 4 жыл бұрын
Right!!! So much wrong info!!! Anything for a show!!😳
@justmissjamey
@justmissjamey 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. And no one wants to hear about a "nip slip" to their child. Its gross
@JJoeisCooking
@JJoeisCooking 4 жыл бұрын
Love it when you and Chris or Fortune do a show together.
@roguehouse8336
@roguehouse8336 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Heather! Oh, u are a gem! Great podcast on Vallow/Daybell story! Pls keep following it n updating us. I'm following this story fr start to finish but love how u recap b4 new details! Bc its SO twisted! Thanks for the comedy mixed in! Be well woman!
@deepatrick4754
@deepatrick4754 4 жыл бұрын
Why would a professional woman use the language she has used In this video ? So degrading to both her, her employer, and everyone that she is representing! ...and to laugh at this horrible situation of these precious children!
@rOnda88
@rOnda88 4 жыл бұрын
JJ age 7. Tylee-16. LV waited 2-3 days to TEXT Charles’ sons that their dad died. Then they call & text her for 3 days for more info. She never answers. AC had buddies in that police dept. Personally, I think that’s why he wasn’t charged with murder. They didn’t even run a background on him. & he had done time for what he did to Joe Ryan. Also LV told Charles well beforehand more than once that she was a “translated being” & she was sent to do whatever... & if he got in her way she would kill him. He had documentation & a recorded witness. Joseph Ryan was dead for about 3 weeks before anyone knew & even later when LV told Ryan’s sister via TEXT. The sister was devastated. And it’s Zulema, pronounced with short e.
@rOnda88
@rOnda88 4 жыл бұрын
First Last She did not. 2 weeks prior to what would’ve been her 17th, she was brutally murdered. I hope justice is soon served for ALL who had no right to take her life as well as other lives that they had NO right to take! Not for them to decide!!!
@reneeb9021
@reneeb9021 4 жыл бұрын
Who runs off to Hawaii to get married when your two kids are missing ?
@texasgina
@texasgina 4 жыл бұрын
Renee B She obviously killed them because she wants out of jail so badly she would have already said where they are if they were alive
@jenjennitrite8146
@jenjennitrite8146 4 жыл бұрын
Lori Vallow Daybell, that's who!
@voges1001
@voges1001 4 жыл бұрын
thank god for 1.5x speed.
@jacquesrichard3835
@jacquesrichard3835 4 жыл бұрын
Love this show, so entertaining 😎
@myzenlife1
@myzenlife1 4 жыл бұрын
Love Chris Franjola!
@123rosebuds
@123rosebuds 4 жыл бұрын
The best video on info. about Vallow I've seen.
@MrLisarn2
@MrLisarn2 4 жыл бұрын
Ohmygosh, the Carole Baskins comment cracked me up!
@Lucca531
@Lucca531 4 жыл бұрын
Oh you don’t look 50 yet - great show - just listened to the podcast and now KZfaq - it’s a ‘Heather’ day .
@Sweetie_PieLo
@Sweetie_PieLo 4 жыл бұрын
Lucca531 yes! She looks spectacular. I honestly thought she was early to mid 30’s
@dinajacobs535
@dinajacobs535 4 жыл бұрын
Did anyone notice in the interview that the niece referred to Tylee in the past tense saying was and the son Colby had Tylee in the present tense when they both were speaking about Tylee? The nice knows what happened to those kids! God I hope there's justice for the children! Blessings
@cyntmacz
@cyntmacz 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Cox's stand up was at a comedy club in Arizona.
@T.Rex33
@T.Rex33 4 жыл бұрын
I work with the elderly. Nothing is weirder than seeing an 80 year old woman still using Botox. They look like a manufactured human, which I guess they kinda are.
@lovepet4565
@lovepet4565 4 жыл бұрын
T. Rex heyyyy i love Botox! Im not 80 but ill be using it then too .
@farbotnik
@farbotnik 4 жыл бұрын
Chad is not arrested or charged with anything yet. They are investigating Lori and Chad for murder, attempted murder, and conspiracy.
@CS-pi5oc
@CS-pi5oc 4 жыл бұрын
Botox gone wrong means drooping face, lips, drooling, eye blinking gone-o or eye fluttering, etc. I think Brandi Granville can speak to this.
@jenuine182
@jenuine182 4 жыл бұрын
Love when you guys get together for this caseeeee
@SOS-ct9mv
@SOS-ct9mv 4 жыл бұрын
Tuned out until they brought up zombies now I'm lost. All us Californians call our governor Gavin, We all consider ourselves to be on a first name basis with him.😂🤷‍♀
@islaholbox7312
@islaholbox7312 4 жыл бұрын
This was the best and most entertaining podcast ever!
@jennifergolden9977
@jennifergolden9977 4 жыл бұрын
Also the part of Yellow Stone technically you can get away with murder.Alex took on his wife’s last name and the “devil” or “zombie” was Nick Schneider.Chad and Lori went to her storage unit while his wife was still alive and he slaps Lori on the butt.Tylee was 17 would be 18 soon.
@JustinColman-kz5fl
@JustinColman-kz5fl 4 жыл бұрын
144, 000 - So why are they still recruiting?
@catrinaFoye
@catrinaFoye 4 жыл бұрын
Tylee was 16 and last seen on 8th September 2019 JJ Last seen 23rd September the day before Tylee’s 17th birthday 😢
@5sallaround
@5sallaround 4 жыл бұрын
144,000 is about the 12 tribes of Israel, each of which had 12,000 members. That exists in the Bible, but it has nothing to do with how many people get into heaven.
@texasgina
@texasgina 4 жыл бұрын
mt0929 Amen
@justmissjamey
@justmissjamey 4 жыл бұрын
It depends on how you read/look onto it. Each nutjob religion looks at it differently. And each believe they have "the one" so it has many meanings and is throughout the Bible
@knaptmenneskelig2611
@knaptmenneskelig2611 4 жыл бұрын
Justmiss jamey ...... that’s because the Bible is just a poorly written book of fables !!
@LA-Purplicious
@LA-Purplicious 4 жыл бұрын
I need a Power Point Presentation 😂😜
@Stella88Iris
@Stella88Iris 4 жыл бұрын
Chad was never arrested.
@justsayin5865
@justsayin5865 4 жыл бұрын
Right!!!! Where did they get that from?
@elaineblack3692
@elaineblack3692 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with all you say about tis case Heather! so glad someone else is talking about it...since i feel since Covid-this case has not had the attention it still needs! also...GREAT BIG THANK YOU for your honesty in regards to how different many of us women are looking to those seeing us during this time of lockdown! You are not the only one whos kids are commenting! Maybe all of us, not only our kids, but us_will learn to find our inner beauty by the time this is thru!(then we can save a bunch on the outter stuff!)
@sassysandra245
@sassysandra245 4 жыл бұрын
A trip to “Rex brewery”??? Or were you reading when you needed your glasses on Heather? Lol and you meant Rexburg?? Or Rexberg?
@SD-co9xe
@SD-co9xe 4 жыл бұрын
The landlord was told about the pool party by neighbors. I heard him talk about it in an interview. I think it is legit. Could have just been family at the party.
@cyntmacz
@cyntmacz 4 жыл бұрын
Alex's new wife had something to do with his death. Her adult son was living with them at the time and did not even know her new husband's last name!!
@rOnda88
@rOnda88 4 жыл бұрын
cynt macz Zulema was ruled out as was anyone else. Autopsy reveals pulmonary embolism & cause of death - natural.
@cyntmacz
@cyntmacz 4 жыл бұрын
@@rOnda88 Anything is possible I guess. Everyone is second guessing the ruling. Who gets married that quickly? At some point they will move on to Tammy D and her results. Maybe people will forget about this one.
@bettebyrd
@bettebyrd 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are hilarious! Just loved it.
@mlkdf30
@mlkdf30 4 жыл бұрын
10$ says Gavin goes to Botox parties
@maxalberts2003
@maxalberts2003 4 жыл бұрын
How could she kill her own children? What a monster.
@farrahlillybarker1002
@farrahlillybarker1002 4 жыл бұрын
These 2 are hilarious
@rodjames1693
@rodjames1693 4 жыл бұрын
It is impossible for Kay(Charles Vallow's sister,) to be Joshua's grandmother! Would be aunt at most folks....
@mrs.cavalier3705
@mrs.cavalier3705 4 жыл бұрын
Remember...Lori and Chad 20 Burn-out phones? Not sure of the terminology. Many throw-away phones.
@Tu77289
@Tu77289 4 жыл бұрын
Why read it if Chris knows of the case? Just discuss it. You sound ridiculous...
@fiberinspiretahoe9177
@fiberinspiretahoe9177 4 жыл бұрын
Hylauron pen can do that for you.!
@PattiMoreno212
@PattiMoreno212 4 жыл бұрын
I love your friendship! So great to see.
@rosemarieconklin4683
@rosemarieconklin4683 4 жыл бұрын
It was dateline and nick
@ssmith8758
@ssmith8758 3 жыл бұрын
Heather is fucking hilarious! How is this podcast free? 💥💥💥💗💗💗
@MichelledeGuzman
@MichelledeGuzman 4 жыл бұрын
The 144,000 is in the Bible. That is why the same number comes up in so many cults trying to say they know the "secret" of the end times.
@justmissjamey
@justmissjamey 4 жыл бұрын
Any religion is a cult..
@purpleice7277
@purpleice7277 4 жыл бұрын
Did Chris say “molesty guy” 😂😂😂
@katelynmoyers9324
@katelynmoyers9324 4 жыл бұрын
Chris really is our favorite!!
@magnificentmakingmoves3046
@magnificentmakingmoves3046 Жыл бұрын
DO AN UPDATE!!!
@TracyLeaBeauty
@TracyLeaBeauty 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! New to the channel! Loved the video! I used to be a Jehovah’s Witness & yes, they believe that only 144,000 are going to heaven! If you have any questions, ask away! I was in it for 42 years!🌺🌺🌺
@JKGINS
@JKGINS 4 жыл бұрын
Tracy Lea Beauty how did u get out? Were u born into it?
@markc13579
@markc13579 4 жыл бұрын
They are not 6 feet apart people!!!!!!
@mrs.cavalier3705
@mrs.cavalier3705 4 жыл бұрын
Re: Withhy the various groups of law enforcement are not wanting to work together? Would some be involved in these casex? I think so.
@farbotnik
@farbotnik 4 жыл бұрын
The 144,00 is from the Book of Revelation. It represents 12,000 from each of the 12 original tribes who will be saved at the Second Coming of Christ. Most people believe it’s just a figurative number but some denominations like the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses take it literally from my understanding.
@theempathicsupernova6865
@theempathicsupernova6865 4 жыл бұрын
Rev 14:4 also states they are virgins... I'm not sure how they overlooked that part.
@jacobgaming8983
@jacobgaming8983 4 жыл бұрын
I live for Tuesday and Thursday 🥰
@johndean4727
@johndean4727 4 жыл бұрын
I know.
@rosemarieconklin4683
@rosemarieconklin4683 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing about witnesses but I used to tell them only 144000 witnesses are going the rest of us are good we all got a chance
@jenuine182
@jenuine182 4 жыл бұрын
"She's got a ticket to ride."
@hildahernandez6055
@hildahernandez6055 4 жыл бұрын
I love juicy scoop❤️
@jenjennitrite8146
@jenjennitrite8146 4 жыл бұрын
Tylee is 17
@myzenlife1
@myzenlife1 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Franjola you are a sexy guy! Love your voice too!
@jacquelinedirk3777
@jacquelinedirk3777 4 жыл бұрын
Do not say one negative word about Keith Morrison!!He is a national treasure from Canada!!Hes a legend damn it !!! HOW DARE YOU !!!! Your day is coming of looking old Chris !!
@talkalotakaka
@talkalotakaka 4 жыл бұрын
Did she know that the Covid was coming ? Hmm
@purpleice7277
@purpleice7277 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder why the grandma didn’t take the boy?
@purpleice7277
@purpleice7277 4 жыл бұрын
Katheryn *It’s all so sad for those kids 😞
@sharonporter8027
@sharonporter8027 4 жыл бұрын
Did I hear you correctly that Chad Daybell was arrested?
@redmarilynn
@redmarilynn 4 жыл бұрын
I can't watch this... Too much joking around
@jackselle4607
@jackselle4607 4 жыл бұрын
Bluebel Blue call the fun police
@mrs.cavalier3705
@mrs.cavalier3705 4 жыл бұрын
Lori researched the stone in the wedding bands. Some kind of green gem stones called, malachite. This is to have properties of symbolic meaning of Divinity, Power and Magic. Evil...if you ask me.
@knaptmenneskelig2611
@knaptmenneskelig2611 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a rock ..,..,, pull your head out of your ass ......
@anthonygrau2506
@anthonygrau2506 4 жыл бұрын
Lori belongs in jail an Chad should also be in jail
@cyntmacz
@cyntmacz 4 жыл бұрын
Please rate Alex Cox's stand up. It is online.
@marytracy2904
@marytracy2904 4 жыл бұрын
cynt macz He was a funny guy. What you can find online is okay but he was definitely funny.
@MrPaultopp
@MrPaultopp 4 жыл бұрын
Her mother and sister went to pool party
@dorisjecminek9278
@dorisjecminek9278 4 жыл бұрын
What does this have to do with the Lori Vallo case.
@carlglynn7012
@carlglynn7012 4 жыл бұрын
Why couldn’t this have been done by zoom or Skype. Not cool.
@MichaelJCervantes
@MichaelJCervantes 4 жыл бұрын
Corona is over blown... Stay locked in your home and worry about yourself.
@loopsruby
@loopsruby 4 жыл бұрын
carl glynn What do you mean?
@AS-uj2ur
@AS-uj2ur 4 жыл бұрын
carl glynn don’t watch then . Negative Nancy .
@ssmith8758
@ssmith8758 3 жыл бұрын
What are you? The Covid police? Get it together!
@hildahernandez6055
@hildahernandez6055 4 жыл бұрын
I have a daughter so nip slip is kinda just another day,
@tittyrino
@tittyrino 4 жыл бұрын
Blah blah blah yuk yuk.
@fun2cruz448
@fun2cruz448 4 жыл бұрын
Please don’t tie all members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with these guys. They may say they are but they are not living up to the actual teachings. Yes we instructed don’t drink alcohol or smoke. Sex after marriage too. But some people do, they are still loved. No one throws them out. But the things chad and Lori are doing are nothing that is accepted. They like the fundamentalist and off shoot.
@floro7687
@floro7687 4 жыл бұрын
Idle gossip!
@marytracy2904
@marytracy2904 4 жыл бұрын
Nick Schnieder
@bgknowable
@bgknowable 4 жыл бұрын
Talk show? umm... I’m still an American. H&F.
@sheckyfeinstein
@sheckyfeinstein 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of tabloidish material out there.
@Hugatree1
@Hugatree1 4 жыл бұрын
Heather I love you, always have always will, wrinkles and all.
@bgknowable
@bgknowable 4 жыл бұрын
Face all day. Heather. I get it. But, face.! ♥️
@ginadean4206
@ginadean4206 4 жыл бұрын
Heather! I'm shocked to hear your son talk on your wrinkles, your his mother,I find it very sad that he judges his own mum on her looks,I hope he isn't that shallow and you were joking
@heidi7576
@heidi7576 4 жыл бұрын
Unhealthy not six feet Juicy
@sharonporter8027
@sharonporter8027 4 жыл бұрын
Did I hear you correctly that Chad Daybell was arrested?
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