Yes, the infidelity, this affair did a real number on Chris Watts state of mind.

I so agree. It's really not all the complicated, IMO. He had lived the "single" bachelor life that summer and was able to put his family out of his head. NK's passive aggressive control of CW kept him emotionally attached to the "pretend" life he was building with her. The pregnancy didn't seem real to him either. When she left for North Carolina, she likely wasn't "showing", so he could keep his secret life under control. He had also lied to NK about separating and was on borrowed time leading up to him traveling to NC to see the family. When he saw the girls and Shannan at the airport, he clearly saw how pregnant she was, the girls clinging to him, reminding him he was indeed a father, and his wife's open arms and obvious desire to reconnect spelled doom for these innocent victims. Perhaps he figured by being a jerk to Shannan, not attend to her needs, be cold and unloving, it would drive Shannan away. Why he could not come clean while he was back there...giving her a support system with her family and the protection of his own parents in dealing with his failure as a husband and father and simply moving on with his life? Instead, he returns to Colorado with a horrific plan to rid himself of the baggage that is keeping him from NK's arms. Jim showing up and NK admitting she had gone on some dating sites also entered into his thinking as he feared she wouldn't accept being 2nd place to his wife and children.. She said as much. Simply put, they had to go. CW' psychopathic brain didn't register what the consequences would be or if his reasoning was even slightly believable. Likely, he was thinking about the 3 some that NK had mentioned and was afraid that Jim might take his place. At the end of the day, it's all about his selfish lustful desires. He killed his family because of sex...the once geeky, overweight, nerdy unpopular guy had a hot girl that liked. him. Like Shannan said, he had NO game. He still doesn't. That's why he confessed so easily and is sitting in prison for the next 50 years. He'll probably do just fun behind bars. He's a dolt!

It certainly seems like the affair could be the catalyst for the murders, but his mother had been pressuring him to leave Shan'ann before they were even married. His lack of "object permanence," a characteristic of psychopaths, (google object permanance psychopath) would have had a major impact on his mentality with the family gone for 5 weeks. He even talks about it in his 2019 interview. He showed a disconnect when he went back to NC, which could also be caused by just the affair, I'm not sure, but then when the girls all came back to CO, he could very well have felt, "who the hell are you and what the hell are you doing here?" Psychopaths think of other people as little more than paper dolls in the psychopaths mind anyway, so murdering them and stuffing the girls in oil tanks would not be a big leap for him mentally. If that was his mentality, the girlfriend would be a tool or "moral support" more than a catalyst. Then back in NC, his (imo) evil mother enacted a scene which was a thinly veiled go-ahead for him. I think the mistress was a major factor, but the mother was at least one catalyst for the murders

yes, the mother was a factor to his overall "decisions" last August. From what I've read, he turned his back on his mom and dad, sister when he met Shannan. His controlling mother didn't know what hit her when Chris so easily chose Shannan over his own family. For Cindi and Ron, this was all Shannan's fault, but IMO, Chris is the one at fault. Imagine if at the time of the wedding and all the issues with the in-laws Chris set boundaries and took charge of the situation. Instead, he ran away with Shannan and allowed resentment and hurt feelings to fester. Shannan's parents, OTOH, showed true class, unconditional love, and tolerance for the behaviors on the Watts side. I truly don't think I could be so forgiving.

@@golfergal very well said

He is a huge loser though. The only thing his delulu self almost saw as it was.

How do you put your child's limp body into oil!? A small opening... Do you force her? What was he thinking in that brain?! It's so gruesome! 😮

Yup Chrissy the Sissy is a real winner.

Charles Stuart in 1989 Boston fits this, too. He was pissed his wife got pregnant and he didn't want a kid, but tried to play along while setting up a situation to get her killed. Police found out he was trying to get cozy with a co-worker at his job and figured that was part of the motive. That case is still terrible to think about because of all the lives he began to ruin with his lies that led to a lot of racist fearmongering, not to mention a trusting wife and child gone. Susan Smith, also, getting rid of her kids so she had a better chance with a new man who she knew didn't want kids. Figured she'd get a better life with him than she would keeping her kids.

@@tallyp.7643 and Jeffrey McDonald

There may need to be a new category. Man gets side girl. Side girl wants marriage & no ready made family. Man decides familicide is the answer to everything and he walks off into the sunset with side girl turned wife. Instead, hopefully, prison is in the cards. Or better yet, we can learn warning signs and try in some way to prevent this tragedy from occurring.

Yes, w/ subtypes: Fresh start; financial, and Fresh start; religious (no divorce allowed)

@@sarahissersohn5495 , I agree with the last one especially. Pray and sins are forgiven. John List comes to mind

Especially someone so nice and caring for years

He was selfish and didn’t want to divorce or have his family anymore. He wanted them completely gone

@@whitedragoness23 But at such a personal cost? This looks hardly beneficial for him

@@whitedragoness23 Wasnt he in reaction to something like years of internet presentations of his perfect marriage...

(Happens more often than I knew, now that crime is posted on social media) Makes me wonder what else he’s done but didn’t get caught doing 😢

And organized! I have a hard time paying attention to fact based videos, but I'm able to follow along to his videos without getting as distracted.

It's kinda sexy....

@@redsonja2291 First time watching him. Hes very good. Easy to understand.

He’s very informed and pleasant, but I’m having to ease into him. I have a visceral reaction to him that I have to brace myself for. I am working on desensitizing myself. Through no fault of his own, this man reminds me SO MUCH of Dennis Rader (BTK) and his calm demeanor seems to reinforce my reaction. I’m so distrusting at this point he comes across as measured and calculated to me. I really do think he’s probably a good guy, I just can’t shake my feeling.

Me too!

Well drama free doesnt apply to the comments. Just look at all the nay-sayers that dont agree with the good doctor because his evaluation doesn't match their narratives and so instead they resort to distorting reality until it suits their liking. There's your psychopathy.

And he speaks English without a southern accent.😃

People who speak with southern accents are just as intelligent as those who don't. @@ShaareiZoharDaas

@@ShaareiZoharDaas Naturally, he does; he's from Delaware. And, anyway, what's wrong with having a southern accent? Or do you think everyone with a southern accent is dumb or annoying? Personally, I don't like the New Jersey accent, but I don't think everyone with that accent is an idiot.

Go check out True Crime Rocket Science. Now that guy is an expert on the case.

SugaryPhoenixxx ---Wow! Good for you in getting away!

Well done for trusting your feelings

Congrats on leaving so quickly! You were true to yourself. Prayers for the other women who was beaten to death 🙏

I’m glad you’re safe. 😌

Read or watch on you tube a book called The Gift of Fear by Gavin deBecker. Can save your life! Helps you spot these red flags before you get in or leave before you get hurt.

sorry for your precious loss

So sad for you!!

So sorry to hear of your sad loss💐 Such a relief the babies were ok🙏🙏🙏

There seem to be thousands of people, mainly but not all, women who "deeply feel" that Nichol was guilty, physically involved, manipulated him a la Charles Manson, with no evidence whatsoever. They just know, feel, believe, etc. and that's all the evidence they need. At first I just read them not wanting to get involved, then I started posting that they had no evidence and the FBI is capable of finding all the texts on his and her phones, etc., then gave up and don't ever go near those channels anymore. It's not that I lost arguments, more that the volume of posts was way, way too much to even think of arguing with. All of them with their eyes bugged out, breathlessly going on about photos on her phone etc. Their agenda seems to be projecting paranoia about their own husbands, not even remotely about analyzing actual evidence.

Right!!!

@@catspajamas2961 I think it is the age old philosophy that, somehow, it's always the woman's fault...excusing him and blaming the mistress...amazing how guys get excused somehow for the total responsibility.

She helped him.....OJ got away with it

The reality is that Chris Watts would never have murdered his wife if he had never met Nicole. That's a fact even the prosecutors and investigators cede, in addition to Chris himself. Nicole was stalking shannan the year before her and Chris were even talking. Her browser history shows her investigating Chris's well, studying his likes and dislikes, so that she could portray the type of woman that she thought Chris wanted. In her browser history she at times spent hours upon hours Googling shanann and looking at Shannon's Facebook page. After Chris murdered his wife, her Google searches included how to permanently delete text messages. How long after you text someone, can police retrieve the records from the phone company. How much money did Amber Frey make off of her book deal after Scott Peterson murdered his pregnant wife. 4 days after her and Chris started the sexual relationship she actually showed up at the watts House demanding that she "not be second to Chris Watts wife". In addition to this Chris Watts freely admits, as Nicole eventually did, that she knew full well that he was married the entire time. As evidenced by her Google search, the man I'm dating says he will leave his wife for me. And, do men leave their families for their mistress? An interesting detail on this. Nicole kessinger father walked out on his family for his mistress. So in her mind this was replaying an old tape. She watched her mother do all the right things, and still had the father leave for another woman. She had reason to believe that Chris would leave his family, and possibly she believed that this was a more stable relationship. She also knew that shanann was pregnant as evidenced by her Google searches that shows she was searching Chris's Facebook page and shanann Facebook page daily. The day that shanann posted the oops we did it again video showing she was pregnant, Nicole sent Chris a text message stating. Thanks for being honest with me Chris, obviously a sarcastic dig. She clearly manipulated him. This woman was controlling every single calorie and macro nutrient that was going into his body. She also stated several times through text messages and in-person, that her and Chris had no first. And that she wanted to be able to give him his first born son. This is after she knew that shanann was pregnant with a son. Not to be cynical, but how exactly did she expect that to happen without either the baby shannan and dying? Nicole kessinger lied several times throughout the interview, at first I attributed this to her shame at participating in what was obviously an affair with a married man with a pregnant wife. But after delving deeper into her Google search history, and seeing how often she was stalking shanann Watts, even more so than Chris Watts, I've come to a different conclusion. While I don't know if she was there when they were murdered, or even if she directly said kill your wife. I do know that she continued to pressure Chris that he needed to "fix this situation, or she was going to leave him". She knew that he was easily controlled. One interesting part of an interview is where Chris Watts says how Nicole let him pick places to go on dates, and shanann made all the decisions. But if you look back at Nicole kessinger interview, she clearly makes a point to state that she chose everywhere they went, and Chris was just happy to go along with it. The difference between Shannon and Nicole is that Nicole was more manipulative and covert, where shanaan was a very straightforward type of pushy. Chris never was his own man, Nicole just did a better job of convincing him that what she wanted was also what he wanted. She accomplish this by studying him on Facebook, studying his wife and family, and then formulating a personality that she thought he would like. A good guy friend of mine one time told me, the way to find the type of guy that you want, it's to think of what type of woman that guy would want. Then you become that type of woman. Nichol kessinger was Googling shanann and Chris Watts from the first week they started working together, which was a a year before they even started talking. She chased Chris, Chris knowledges this, and the Google searches messages confirm it. I'm not a conspiracy theory type of person usually, but after watching the interview with Nicole, and that prompted me to do more and more research, I've come to the opinion that she was way more involved. The final straw was really listening to Chris Watts interviews, this is not a highly articulate or intelligent man. He's very shallow in his affect and thought process. I find it hard to believe that he would think up all of this on his own. We know it was premeditated because he admitted to suffocating the girls before shanann got home, and while he was suffocating shannan they both woke back up. This is written in his own hand. Which would explain some of the additional bruising and Trauma to the face of the girls. In addition he also called his co-workers the night before to let them know he would be out on that oil site that he wasn't supposed to be on, earlier in the morning. He specifically told him that he didn't need any help. In addition to this, throughout their affair Chris had been using a prepaid Anadarko card when with Nicole kessinger. The night before the murder he used his and his wife shared credit card. Why would he do that? Because he knew that she wouldn't be alive to see it or react to it. This was 100% premeditated, and at this point even Chris admits to as much. He just wanted to be with Nicole kessinger, and she was pressuring him to leave his wife, shannan was pressuring him to stay, Financial stressors were mounting , and his parents were stressing him as well. He's always been a follower, at this point he just chose to follow Nicole kessinger. I don't doubt for a second if Shannon had told Chris to murder someone during the first few years of their courtship, that he would have done it. None of this makes them any less culpable. He can be 100% responsible for his actions, but that does not mean that Nicole kessinger is not responsible for her actions. Her police interview is one of the weirdest most cringyt things I've ever watched. Every time she was talking to the male officer her voice goes up 30 octaves and she talks baby talk. This is clearly a practiced manipulator. On his own Chris never would have murdered shannan, he states that he was happy in his marriage and content until he found Nicole kessinger. She's definitely the Catalyst, if not a co-conspirator.

he must see them in their last moments... in his dreams god bless those children and their mom

You'd think Shanann had some sign of his 'issues' *during the 8 years they were married, surely he had *some* 'odd behaviour' during that time to raise concerns to get him some help?

Agreed. He obviously never felt normal fatherly emotions for his wife and kids. He was pretending - playing a role - mimicking the behavior of other fathers he saw around him and on tv. He didn't "snap". He planned these murders days in advance and it did not bother him since he never felt love for them in the first place. A truly sad, but fascinating case.

@@jimjiminy76 Yes, I totally agree with you. I thought this was an interesting observation by the police in the case: "Chris’s facial expressions rarely changed, however when they did, he seemed to smile/smirk inappropriately, displaying a lack of empathy, specifically when speaking about his children..."

Actually her comments make more sense than that of Dr. Grande. - She also goes into detail how the off(and self harming) behavior of Chris Watts during the voluntary ! police interviews show his covert narcissism, and how he felt compelled to behave in a certain way even though it was the stupidest thing he could do. His need to maintain the image of the nice guy was so dominant that he dug his own grave (for instance sitting through the interviews and also not getting a lawyer, and doing the polygraph). A smart murderer would not have allowed the wellness check on Aug 13 in his house (at 2 pm). O.K. the friend of his wife was a force of nature. And at the same time he did not even realize how much he harmed himself. He fell back on his "scripts of how-to-imitate-a-dcent-person" in a high stress situation, and he was unable to realize how fake he appeared to a normal human being (with the ability to have emotions and to assess the emotional state of others). It didn't compute that it was not enough to _say_ to the interrogators, that he loved his children, and would never harm them, it needed to be said in the right way. And moreover an innocent man would not sit through hours and hours of voluntary interviews (with the overarching goal to be seen as cooperative, nice guy), at some point an innocent man would leave and organize the search troops. A frantic father and husband would not be worried about appearing polite, and he might scold police / FBI for wasting their time and his, when they should look for his family. He also did not figure out that it would be a good idea to ask police for news on the two occasions when they contacted him for information (like the size of the kids or what they wore - for the missing info). The cop that called was struck by the absence of frantic - or any - requests during that 5 minute phone conversation. They are likely used to other behavior if small children and a mother are inexplicably missing. Car in the garage, her phone there (it was her lifeline, she did her biz online, the friend was a work collegue and she knew it was bad when she found the _phone_ and the medication they needed. For the mother (she had lupus) and the children. The purse, the phone, the car at home. If she had the smallest daughter with her, she did not leave the house without the epi pen for CC the youngest daughter who had severe allergies, and the "doting father" should have known that little detail. And the shoes she liked to wear when she was casual. When he left to dispose off the bodies he did not figure out that it would be a good idea to take these small items (and the soiled linen sheet he threw into the trash) to make it more plausible that his wife had left the house in a normal manner and maybe was abducted later. And he did not have time to improve, he left the house with the bodies and when he returned 6 - 7 hours later, police and witnesses were there. He is like one of the aliens in the movies that try to impersonate a feeling human and they _almost_ pull it off. He had no program for a situation that was not normal and where he could not mimic a person he had watched before (because it had not happened before). So he malfunctioned badly. At work he was the go-to guy for problems, and known for his good memory (wells, pressure, etc.). Maybe he deluded himself that he was intelligent (he mentioned his good memory and that they called him Rainmain at work during the polygraph). But in the contacts with police he was really stupid (which was lucky for society).

Xyz Same Narcissism is her focus. I secretly want her and Dr. Grande to fall in love 💕

@@tamarayoung2534 Lol

Really..very sad....😪😪😪

And at the hand of their trusted son in law!

If u listen close 2 Shannan's father he says My My daughter ,,,,my heart has never broke like that

Your quote 'the quiet one are the worst'which make people misunderstand the quiet people. The talkative or anyone can be the worst

Shannan as a manipulative overbearing wife who shared her and her children’s lives incessantly on social media. She was involved in a pyramid scheme business (Thrive) as well. She looked like a clown (literally) with her poorly applied makeup. I can see how Chris would be attracted to Nicole. He traded one life sentence for another. I’m almost certain that all of her female devotees are pretty much like her. My ex was which is why I left her and she is now bitter and alone. I, on the other hand, am living a happy stress free life with a younger prettier girl who is supportive and brings joy to me everyday. The exact opposite of the soul sucking marriage with the woman I escaped from.

True

And she treated him like shit constantly and online.

He finally got sick of her shiz

@@goughaway52 do you think if a woman is considered a bitch in your mind She deserves to be killed ?! And her small children?!

@@goughaway52 Is your real name Nicole?

> "The "Immortality" type of family annihilator makes me think of John List." I don't know about 'Immortality' but yes, another one who planned annihilation but couldn't kill himself when that was the final step. It happens often.

They were having financial problems, he did not want to pay child support.

Yours is an old comment. But if you're still curious I figure it was mainly to please his hypergamus GF who wanted to start a new life with him, with no baggage attached, and while having his monetary situation intact (a divorce would have financially wiped him out). Usually, in such cases, the guy just abandons the family and goes off with his new GF. However, his GF must have been more demanding then most women and he didn't want to loose her. The reason why he was "capable" of killing the kids was like the lion that kills the pups in order to start a new brood. A switch flipped in his head, from father to killer, like a soldier in combat then having no empathy for the enemy.

As long as the children were alive, he would be responsible for their care...in one way or another. He wanted a whole new life...a single life...free to be with his hit new girlfriend...

Actually, there's almost NOTHING about this case that is unexplainable......

That could explain everything that has ever happened or ever will happen. Assholerism.

Lol

Pithy and to the point. I like it. The British English version would be Arseissism.

@Cali Girl That's Arsissism with a silent N ☺

I concur with this theory of yours, but I believe it is compounded by a secondary condition, Smallcox! Just a guess though. 😜

I was thinking the same, maybe the opportunity was there with Shanann and the children away for him to 'feel single' again and like it, and Kessinger saw that opportunity. Maybe Kessinger was the catalyst - giving him the confidence and 'reason' to 'act' on how unhappy he was with an unhappy marriage, with demanding young children and with serious debts. IF Shanann hadn't gone away for so long he wouldn't have had any opportunity for an affair ... IF only he had just walked away and divorced her ...😢

Why doesn't anyone talk about these types of men ( particularly fathers or husbands ) who lived together expecting to get away with it? They commit the horrible act and rush to dispose of the victims, and lie through their teeth saying later they don't know why their loved ones are "missing." Some to this day, even when convicted, play stupid and refuse to admit they are responsible and to blame etc. So many families are ripped off not knowing where their family members are, or what happened to them.😢 It's heinous and brutally cruel behavior long after the shock and hurt of losing someone you love gets processed, if ever. Emotional damages should be an extra charge added. Imo 🙏🙏🙏

Damn

Or maybe he lost his stronger position in the relationship. In the beginning he was the one that "saved" Shannan (her own words). And "daddy was a hero". She was sick and vulnerable. But her Lupus, her self esteem and career improved. He got two kids, a third child on the way and they were in a bad financial situation. So his strong position declined and he became a follower again because he felt stuck. Then he met NK and his ego was strong again. He felt wanted and was nr. 1 again. He wanted to start over but couldn't affort it. So he killed them all.

Emmanuel Prikas I agree with you

Bingo

NK wasn't young. She was 4 years younger than his wife and 3 years younger than Chris.

@@ForeverSweetx3 Yeah. I see this age thing being mentioned and shanann was 1 year older than th guy (that's basically same age) and the mistress only 3 years younger than him. Nothing to do with age

I wonder about their emotional ability beyond immediate family to them. They could be desperate to cling to whatever is left of their family (even if said family member is the REASON the rest of the family is gone). It's always baffling. I don't remember their names, but there was a case on ID of teen twins (15 or 16 at the time) who were manipulative and getting more defiant, and the whole extended family knew. The girls got fed up with living under their mom's rules and stabbed her to death, then went off to school like nothing happened. Their grandmother forgave them and helped them and supported them while they were in prison, even though they were completely responsible for HER OWN DAUGHTER's death (can't recall if they ever expressed remorse, but they weren't interviewed, either). That case made me cringe so badly because it's like "why would you defend and even hug the people who took your daughter out of this world so violently, whether they're your grandkids or not?" I can't wrap my mind around that, but some parents or grandparents can.

His mother is particularly odious. I'm also the mother of an adult son and I have no doubt if (God forbid) he were to suddenly do something like this, I would be devastated and overwrought and desperate to find some way of explaining it to myself, especially if he had "snapped" ( though that is hugely problematic too). But she has clearly always been absolutely twisted and unsupportive eg not even going to their wedding, and things reportedly said about the girls re Nutgate. I'd love Dr Grande to analyse HER! What a piece of work.

I feel bad for both sets of parents!! Leave them alone!!!

Unfortunately I think his mind was made up when they got back from NC, or at least when the dead doll picture was sent to Shanann. When she left for AZ, he knew he was going to do it, and there was no going back. That is part of why he used the credit card at Lazy Dog.

@@slundgr Ahh right .. so the credit card was a tool used to cause the confrontation, that he knew would make him mad enough to finish her

@@bpattique8753 Yes, I think he knew the credit card at Lazy Dog would bring everything to a head and he'd end it all.

@@slundgr hi. CW "drifted" at and through critical junctures, it spared him making "decisions".. so any outcome was reached by default. He had ran out of the gift tokens he earned as bonuses, and so used the credit card; was it intentional..or simply he "dridted" into using it, and further highlighting he was disinterested ? He was not an adept liar, so could not have convincingly talked his way out of it if challenged.. in fact, he went mute rather than respond to a challenge. Was he hopin for an argument..or was he hoping SW could "see" the situation, and make a decision of leaving or putting him out? Maybe, he had only thought of two options...if she decided instead to fight to be with him.. control him further..not 'let him go'.. how would/did he react?

I agree. In his juvenile way of processing things..and he has alluded to what you are suggesting...he hoped "something" would have changed the course of events..he didnot have the "oomph" to get up and take the bull by the horns...and instead passively drifted and once "cornered"... And "forced" ... He reacted...

He has notes and cuts out when he looks at them. Count all the 'cuts' in the video.....

I understand a lot more about this than I thought I would. Thanks.

Ana Darko Ya...I see this all the time. It's not new. Chris Hacking and Scott Peterson to name the most obvious but it's not just men and it's not just married people. It's about the ultimate selfish act to protect your secrets and avoid having to deal with any kind of discomfort. Killing someone to them is much easier than shame or embarrassment because they've built their lives out lies and deception.

NK and CW wanted the insurance money on the 3 lives...450,000.

@@rebeccabush9391 Well it would have been a LONG wait. If they just "vanished" I don't think he could have gotten the life insurance for seven years before they could be declared legally dead.

I agree, I literally spent almost a year deep diving into this case, looking for the why. It was just that simple. His family didn't fit into his future plans so he disposed of them. He's hollow. I believe that he also might be on the Autism spectrum. Only because it looks like he mimicks emotions. He bragged that co-workers called him rain man, teachers spoke of his photographic memory. However, in my opinion he had no common sense. Almost antisocial, just the guy in the background. I'm no psychologist, just my opinion. I really believe that it was very easy for him to discard his family. I also think he is a coward and I can't believe the amount of women that are fans of his. What do they see in him. If he did this to the people he " loved " do they think he would have any hesitation of doing the same to him???

Btw, love that screen name..

I agree with that motive. They're so stupid if they think they can get away with it. Makes me so angry. I'm glad there wasn't a lengthy trial. Hope this haunts him til he dies.

@Katie P. yeah their choices in divorce tend to be a huge amount child support meaning more freedom from active parental responsibility or share the parental responsibility meaning less time for his carefree fantasy with the mistress. Murder is basically their way of skipping of facing responsibility 🙄

And I know people often bring up signing away parental responsibilities, but from what I read both parents have to agree to that and someone like Chris Watts wouldn't want the backlash from friends and family over abandoning his kids. Murdering them and pretending they are missing is preferable...

2 kids and a third on the way, he would of been paying a good portion of his income for child support.

Except one thing he did not have hot gf

@Michael Escobar Wow. I'll try not to bring about my own murder. Thanks for the suggestion. 👍

Michael Escobar hahaha I get the joke but we all make choices that’s why we are all not murders .

I agree, great point. I think that's in part why the cops were so curious about him. He's hard to slot. And I really was chilled by the equanimity he showed when explaining in a kind of sing-song voice to the cops that he would spend the rest of his life in prison. He truly doesn't seem terribly traumatized by his fate. In fact, in my opinion, there is almost a serenity in his voice, and in his face in photographs taken in prison. Quite spooky to me.

Introvert always in the back seat she was the opposite and a beautiful loving mother then he had the affair and he could only see one way out his mistress was the trigger to his madness I can't believe what he did basically for a 'bit on the side' he should have gotten the death penalty and oh those luvly little girls hope he rots in jail and his 'floozie' has no life to look forward to she was the cause of it

I dont think being murdered is something to worry about considering your chance of being murdered in a year is somewhere around 14,000 to 1. You can increase your likliehood by getting involved with someone with abandonment or control/anger issues. What you never want to do is send mixed messagea and have the relationship become intimate and then have them shut out and isolated. When its over make sure you are clear and dont belittle the person or confuse them giving them false hope. You can say you still love them but you know it wont work and you dont WANT it to and that its OVER. If you're clear, give them an out where they can keep their self esteem, you're always going to be much safer. Some people create pressure cooker, yo-yo situations that make people crazy about what you want and can get very volatile. This is always dangerous. Be clear, don't deceive and dont confuse. I think if you do that your chance of being murdered will go down to almost zero.

I'm so sorry to hear this - I hope you are healing - sending every wish for inner peace.

100%. His parents are toxic. He has been raised in that toxicity. He killed with toxic « reasons. » "Not all victims become victimizers, but all victimizers were once victims. "Alice Miller

Can't imagine doing that to kids cause I got no coping skills. Just can't understand how anyone could want to hurt children let alone kill them 😔

@@alisonmercer5946 And the way he "disposed" of Cece and Bella is despicable. The murderer is a pathetic, selfish little coward. He needs come clean once and for all. And his mother needs to cope. I can't stand her... or the rest of the Watts for that matter...

@@aie_aie_ To be fair Shannan also was a little toxic i mean I understad why Chris wanted to get rid of her but why his own children too...

His wife looks like she gleaned happiness from strangers on the internet.

An interesting case for you would be that of David Bain who was found guilty then let off years later for the murder of his parents and siblings, he blamed it on his father who apparently killed himself but chose to let the eldest son live because, “he was the only one who deserved to live” just about all evidence pointed to the Son but he is now a free man. The son used his early morning paper run as an alibi. There is a pod cast called black hands, that is worth a listen.

kwiet23 yes. Don’t need science for this one. Men been knocking over their wives and selling kids to slavery or killing them since recorded history began.

Watts was gay and a dumbass. Pedersen had everything going for him he’s true evil.

@@TwoBassholesandaKaren7107 Absolutely, just like mothers have been killing their children since the dawn of man.

I didn't mean to sound anti-male. So thank you for pointing out how my comment may be impacting readers. I am only noting that science has confirmed the gender bias of family violence- men/husbands kill at higher rates than women/wives do their children or husbands. Children kill their parents at an even less rate than mothers/wives to husbands and children. Women certainly do kill family members. Munchausen by proxy is almost exclusively a female occurrence for example. So when police suspect the spouse who is still living or not missing, it is for good statistical reason.

Have you seen any of her videos? I hate to speak ill of the dead, but she was a nut cutter, just like Nurse Ratched from ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’s NEST… she treated him like a kid (his wife, idk about his mom). No reason to get murdered, but enough to push your husband away. She even admitted it, in one of her last videos… and the way she acted toward his mom, when she bought the wrong ice cream… I mean, why did they move so far away from the parents? Just saying, murder victims can be as flawed as any of us. RIP to her, though.

@@tysparks598 They guy is a murderer. You can only imagine the issues he had himself. Normal people don't murder their family under ANY circumstances. If I had issues with my wife, we would work it out or get a divorce and that would be that. Broken relationships and bad communication is common but to say the relationship went bad because of specifically her is misguided. I mean like I said, you can't be a normal person and kill your entire family. You absolutely have to have issues built from early on in life. These issues he had probably contributed to a bad relationship as well. He is no victim in the relationship. Most relationships fail because of communication and it isn't like he was any better at it. The fact that she didn't see the red flags or that she stayed with him all these years and they continued to have children shows she probably also had issues herself but that is completely besides the point. But as this person stated, Chris' mom was controlling, it makes sense he was attracted to someone also controlling. Pushing someone away in a relationship is one thing (and also incredibly common) murdering your family because of the fact is something insane. When you make comments as you did it makes it seem like you are making excuses for how he felt as if it was justified. There is no justification for it. If you are having issues in your relationship you either work it out or get a divorce... he chose cheating and murder.

@@beaubreau you are spot on in regards to seeking out relationships similar to what people have experienced before. We see it often in people who have a string of bad relationships for an example, women who continue to date abusers because they were abused in childhood. Often it is subconscious. We. End up seeking out what is familiar to us. Some would say comfortable even though abuse is never comfortable. In that example they often think If I’m good enough he will stop and see that I love him. It took me years of counseling to realize my pattern and why I continued to be in the type of relationships I never wanted to have. Of course a barrage people do not kill their families as you mentioned. I’m glad you spoke up about even the slightest case of victim blaming. We are far to much of that. The general population of people have done that for far too long. In my experience that conditioning makes it very hard for victim to A) report a crime and B) to receive justice. We even see it in our police departments across the country. Most crimes come down to he said she said unless someone ends up dead or it is blatantly obvious who the victim was and there was no “reason” for the crime. I was told that because their was no witness to my sexual assault and the animal that assaulted me for over 8 hours stated we had been in a relationship there was nothing they could do. That was with DNA, no evidence that we had any type of relationship, drugs in my system that he slipped me and obvious other trauma. It was dismissed due to the previous reasons I mentioned and because he said I liked it rough. It seemed absurd to me as it would most people but that’s the facts of the world we live in. Now he is free to do it to another innocent victim except now he is smarter because of the things he learned with me coming forward. Next time he most likely will do it to someone who doesn’t even know him in passing. Some poor victim is going to wake up having no idea what happened to her or who did it. Unfortunately I know several women who have experienced similar circumstances with their cases stopping before they start due to victim blaming. I’m always surprised when another woman blames a female victim. It’s despicable in my opinion. Everyone thinks they are a sleuth and they make judgements without the facts. I will never understand why anyone would blame any victim for being abused, raped or murdered.

@@tysparks598 The "wrong" ice cream? No, Cindy did that on purpose. Cece was anaphylactic to tree nuts but Cindy stupidly either didn't believe it or didn't care. Cindy made a statement about " the girls not always being allowed to get all they wanted! Cindy is a monster.

@@tysparks598 I agree she was really mental and addicted to social networks... I mean everyday i must put some stupid photo to my Instagram and facebook etc. if I had a girl like that, I'd go crazy too.

He is illegally has a photo in his cell of his children on the wall sent to him by his parents.There is a petition to have it removed because they are his victims.Why should he have a photo of his victims?And he is surrounded by child molesters.

Can you believe that he has photos of them!

@@patriciaodoherty1554 i dont understand why the prison is allowing him this type of privilege.

I can't fathom the logic of the oil canisters unless it was simply a choice if convenience and saving time from digging another two graves??

Deborah T I think bringing the oil can & using the oil containers was to “blow up” & set fire to all the bodies. I think CW was trying to perpetrate the scenario of “someone” abducting his family & blowing up the oil tanks. Then, CW could sue Adarko, in his mind, and obtain even more money for his “new life!”

Many male serial killers, wife beaters, and womanizers have mommy issues.

Yes

i don't think she was like his mom but i do agree that there was a similar dynamic to his relationships with both of them, with him being subservient

Narcissist loves empathic women. Shanan was willing to give him love even if Christ no longer shows interest. They Idealize (he thought Shanan is perfect) Devalue (he saw Shanan's weak points) then discard (when he met the mistress). Narcs does not know how to solve a marriage problem, it was always Shannan who bring more food on the table. He is insecure inside and his resentment grew. They hate confrontation, they are very secretive and immature

I know I am not Dr. Grande but I personally think it's a mixture of both. The environment alone can not be a factor simply because there are many people grown in toxic environments who grow up to be healthy people. I personally say it is at most 30% environment and at least 70% personal will. Just close your eyes and imagine if there is any environment in the whole world that can make you kill your own family. There's none, right? Unless YOU choose to use it as a co-factor.

The discomfort was the shame upon himself of what others thought of him. I don’t think it was actual regret or empathy or remorse. He was upset that he was caught and was being held accountable. He has always been the good son the good husband the good worker the good father. And at that moment EVERYONE in the room was unhappy and disappointed with him.

@Pamela Bergner I doubt it was remorse. It seemed more like discomfort from the social awkwardness of the situation.

@@madisonhanks2200 Bingo! It was shame, nothing more...

Madison Hanks Exactly. Mere hours after he had murdered his family, when he still thought he was getting away with it, he was cool as a cucumber and could hardly keep a smile off his face.

@@madisonhanks2200 I totally agree with your response. His discomfort was due to the fact that he got caught.

Haha lol

True hey

Imagine your husband jumping on top of you and strangling you while you sleep. That’s so messed up. The thought that any one of us could be next 😱

Sherry Thompson There were definitely changes. CW did a complete 180. He told Shanann he didn’t want the baby when it was his idea to have another child in the first place. He told her they weren’t compatible anymore. He sent her a photo with a doll with a sheet covering it like a sheet on a dead body at the morgue on the couch. He stopped sleeping with her and being interested in sex. So there were plenty of signs that something was amiss. But the point is would the average woman just pack up and leave or if you were in Shanann’s shoes and in love with your husband and pregnant, would you stay and try to work on things. After all, he wasn’t being honest and telling her he was having an affair with NK. I think most women would stay & fight for their marriage if they were in Shanann’s shoes. Its just a tragic case. I feel so bad for Shanann and the emotional abuse he put her through before he did what he did.

@@ladytea697 i know, could you imagine how scary that would have been. I believe if she could have she would've fought back. He is built like a machine. Poor Shanann looked exhausted.

i actually watched a video where they talk about how chris watts murdered his children twice! he tried to strangle them with their blankets in bed before killing his wife and was surprised to see his kids alive asking what was wrong with mommy! i think the video is called something like “what netflix didn’t tell you about nichol kessinger” i might be thinking of another though but yea that’s even more terrifying

I don't agree he didn't want to kill his kids. We only have his word Shanann actually said he would never see his kids again (he's a proven liar, who changes his story frequently). As a result there is some speculation the children were already dead before Shanann arrived home. (Ergo the picture of the child-sized doll covered head to toe in a white sheet he sent her before she came home). Finally, if he killed Shanann because he "snapped" with the threat he would never see his kids again, logically why then kill them?

I watched the Netflix documentary this morning and the little girls were still alive when he was driving to the site where the oil tanks were.

@@baggergurl16 Chris revealed he killed the girls at the oil site, that's where Netflix got that from. Now if you look at the history of the case, Chris is a pathological liar and has never told the entire truth about this case so anything he says he did that morning is up in the air and not definite. It is possible he killed them their but we do not know for sure, because Chris is the only one who knows what happened that morning and I believe that's how he likes it, he likes having the control and power that only he knows what happened and that he can manipulate the public's perception of what happened that night. Now in my personal opinion I believe the girls were killed at home based on the evidence, when the cadaver dogs were taken into the girls room he became very alert and irritated.

Thank you :)

Todd is a stud

CW has not "lied". He has been rushed into giving a misleading or partial answer.. independently evaluate, he never really lies, he simply avoids giving an answer, or he is given a juicy "cue" which he latches onto. He is not an accomplished liar..I think the law enforcement officers,especially in prison after the conviction, were rushed and "tried too hard" to make the pieces fit. CW would benefit from an experienced mental health professional who gave him space to end his own answers and to formulate responses without leading questions. Really, akin to child protection detective techniques in which leading qs are completely bypassed.

I don't think he is capable of giving a straight forward recount. He tells a little bit of truth and a little bit of lies leaving it up to others to decipher which ones are the lies.

@@shaynelahmed6323 I didn't understand all the leading questions Tammy and Coder used. I also didn't understand them interrupting him when they would ask a question or finish his answer for him. Ask the question and shut up and wait for an answer, regardless of the time it takes. I think Det. Baumhover did the best at asking him questions and trying to get him to address what was asked. Watts likes jerking people around getting all the attention. He likes thinking he is the only person in the room who really knows what happens, so tells partial truths or exaggerations, and someone needs to call BS on what he says.

@@slundgr Exactly! The truth is the 1 pcwer he has left, as he is caged 4 life - why ppl assume he'd give up the truth fast & easily like that, is a mystery! He gave them LIES. The fairy tale that he travelled 2 the Cervi site with LIVE kids is ludicrus. It revealed 2 us that his family regularly update him re the latest YTube chat. He clearly heard the 'shadws' click bait crap & liked it - it suited his aim, 2 make the murders seem impulsive, a crazy act that a great hubby & dad did cuz he 'flipped'. The kids clearly died with their Mum at the huse, & all 3 travelled 2 Cervi dump site dead. But he lies because the truth, that all 3 murders were calmly premeditated weeks ahead & fast executed, reveals him 2 be a cruel, heartless & utterly ruthless killer. This is merely the 1st versim he will tell as the years pass by & he paces his cage. He feels smug that at least HE still hides the truth re what really happemed 13th August. He will call LE 2 visit him & give them varius tales, all details differemt. A liar will lie!

@@glamdolly30 Yes indeed. He loves the attention and jerking people around. Tell Tammy to bring her props and torture him into telling the truth. I still don't know why the DA didn't make him give a full confession before accepting his guilty plea. That was all a little too tidy for me.

You are quite welcome :)

A neuroanatomical study won’t show anything. These have been done in cases, such a Stephen Paddock and Jeffrey Dahmer. Those reveled nothing. These behaviors are not explained by one gross abnormality.

Too bad he didn't get the death penalty so the brain donation could be done sooner rather than later. However, he'd be smart to watch his back while in prison. It may take ten years or more, but I believe someone will mete out justice in prison. They don't like baby-killers or someone who talks to law enforcement while in prison.

What braim, the guy is as dumb as a retarded slug! He really believed he'd get away with 3 murders, that it was easy if he was passive with LE, chatted 2 TV cameras & kept up the 'Quiet Harmless Guy' act that served him superbly his adult life. He assumed it wd be simple 2 persuade experts, family & freds that his wife left him with the kids - that they'd all simply believe him & let him walk away with his mistress & have a fresh, family-free life! He cared zilch 4 his wife & babies, & saw them as dispsbale garbage - alas, he failed 2 realise that view was warped & that they were valued hugely by everycme else! Evil bastard - I wish they'd use him 4 medical experimets right away! He deserves a scalpel 2 his flesh every day he has left.

@@glamdolly30 I think you are confusing intelligence with evil, logic and common sense. CW was affected by the love drug and logic and common sense went out the window.

glamdolly20 Four murders.

The Way he handled police and neighbours on his doorstep, he appeared like a teen person to me,,,that was so Odd.

There's alot of evidence it was planned...

Mega Trivial - Yes, there have been cases of familicide where there were stable financial means. The motive was partly callus revenge and desire to get away with living a more exciting sex life. They held grudges and hostility against their spouse and kids, but didn’t want divorce. They wanted to avoid the risk of having their sleazy secrets or shameful double life exposed during any divorce proceedings.

Mega Trivial I have mainly heard of cases involving financial disaster, whether it’s what most of us would consider a disaster or a rich person having to downsize and flipping out.

Mark Christiansen as scummy as I find his girlfriend, I don’t think it had to do with her. I think he wanted to live a life free of his wife and kids. He had mommy issues.

So many times on the show “SNAPPED” - the person asked why they did not just leave their husband. So many say they did not want to lose their house, their dog, etc!! Geez

Yes

Yes, he built himself out of paper mache. His life was hollow and it's very clear when you watch him in the videos. He really does look like an alien trying to blend in. When there was a chance that his reputation with his parents was going to be affected wife and kids had to be removed with the least possible damage to his reputation and his life. It was the ultimate selfish act.

His Father says, Chris didn't hurt the children. Well then. He had an accomplice. They must've killed them then.

I hope your name wasn’t on that list! 😮 (I’m sorry for your lost)

AR what are you talking about?? NK was googling wedding dresses!

@@yogidevendrabiriyani1777 that's what I thought too Yogi! I thought I would NEVER have to date again but in the blink of an eye my life changed forever when out of the blue hub started a new life with someone at work. Never saw it coming. Just dont be 100% sure of anything

Karen Leblanc Yes!!! And Shanann was married with another child on the way! She also thought she wouldn’t have to worry about the dating game any longer. If there is anything we can learn from this tragedy is that you never know anyone!

@@yogidevendrabiriyani1777 nah! That's what she was telling the cops. He was surprised when he found out she was going out with two other guys. One stood her up. It was a ball game, I think.

AR pl

I have been researching the role of parents in cases where men murder their wives and/or wives and children, and it seems it in the vast majority of cases the parents forgive their sons and place the blame on the victims. Not all cases, but it is very common and it’s very shocking. I think that these men grow up in households where they feel that they can do no wrong in the eyes of their parents, or they hate their parents (overbearing parents) and they take their rage out on their wives. It’s very interesting but they are definitely not raised in a healthy environment. I am a mom of three sons, two of them are grown, and if my son killed his wife and children there would be no further contact. I certainly would not show up in the court room and tell him how much I loved him, or blame his wife. The parents are sick in the head!

Mary Smith. I cannot imagine going through, somehow enduring, such a horrific tragedy. If my grown son did such a thing I have no idea what I would do, maybe run through the streets screaming. I would probably be in disbelief, denial, for a while. I don't think I could stop loving my son. I feel for the Watts parents, I do.

I agree with you. What we have seen and heard as fact, certainly is the tip of an iceberg.

JC P no I think it was both-they wouldn’t have gone out there for the interview unless they really wanted better understanding/profiling.

Crucibelle although it is inconceivable ...those poor little baby girls… He had to just see that family as something he needed out of the way ... it so difficult to understand as he wore his mask of being the good boy so well

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There definitely was emotional abuse.

He likely was hoping she'd pack up and leave him...

She should have run

@Crucibelle I watched a video of Shanann Watts praising Chris Watts a lot, stating that he was with her when she was "at her worst" and how wonderful he is and how grateful she is to have him, and so on, and red flags were waving at me like crazy. In a healthy relationship you don't have to praise your partner to the end of the world, you're allowed to criticise and disagree with your partner sometimes (even if you're wrong sometimes), and you're unlikely to believe that your partner is especially kind or benevolent for being with you - because of course you know you're good enough for someone to love you. I think that the Chris Watts case could be an excellent case study in DV and the horrible possible consequence of DV, but for some reason so many people persist in missing the point.

@CrucibelleI agree. I think Shan was in denial. She leaked contempt for him a few times on video, red flags. And she probably thought she needed to try harder. Her emails at least show insight and willingness to change. Poor kid, how would she know he is a psycho killer.

He most certainly is lying.

Im glad you have a better understanding from your own life lesson. Maybe the future will be brighter as a result.

Completely agree. I think that his mother is a narcissist who raised him in such a way that he became a covert narcissist. (People talk of Shannan as having the control but I think he really controlled his family in subtle ways.) I think he fits the "control" type of familicide. He killed his family because he wanted to get a new life and they were standing in his way (in his sick, evil mind). I also think that the affair did cause the murders because he replaced Shannan and his family with Nicole as his narcissistic "supply".

You are most welcome :)

@@lynnmarie1943 I didn't say it was noble. I said Chris might perceive it as such.

@Too Big To Bunt I stand corrected. Thanks.

He says he hopes to get out of prison in 20 years when "the laws change"

I hear you loud and clear! His fake tears at the trial make me want to vomit!

Would you like me to explain it to you?

Thank you for those kind words! Yes, I am a professor.

My very first case interview in a psych hospital was a violent gun related familicide, including wife kids and family of origin. I kept scanning my office for escape routes, lol.