Canon EOS R with Ninja V / Seeing Codecs, Resolutions, and Frame Rates
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Күн бұрынRecording with the Canon EOS R and the Atomos Ninja V external monitor and recorder. What file sizes can you expect? Does it actually make a difference in quality to record ProRes LT or HQ? Or is the Canon EOS R internal recording in IPB or ALL-I good enough?
🔗 Relevant Links:
My Atomos Ninja V Review - • Atomos Ninja V Monitor...
Live Streaming EOS R - • Unlock the Power of Ca...
24fps and the EOS R - • Canon EOS R - The True...
Atomos Ninja V - crsp.li/NinjaV
Western Digital 500GB WD 3D NAND SSD - crsp.li/WesternDigital500GBSSD
Atomos Master Caddy II (only necessary when using more than one SSD) - crsp.li/AtomosMasterCaddy2
USB Type C SSD Adapter - crsp.li/USB-C-SATA-SSD-Adapter
Canon EOS R - crsp.li/eosr
HDMI Cable (HDMI Mini to Standard HDMI for EOS R) - crsp.li/MiniHdmiToFullHdmi
SmallRig Monitor Swivel Cold Shoe Mount - crsp.li/SmallRigFieldMonitorH...
NP-F’style Batteries & Charger - crsp.li/npfstyle
Atomos Drive Compatibility Chart - www.atomos.com/drives
🎧 Chapters / Show Notes:
00:00 Intro
00:41 Disclaimer - I Bought All the Gear Myself
01:08 Questions? Leave Them in the Comments Below 😄.
01:49 Benefits of Using the Atomos Ninja V
04:01 What About File Sizes, Frame Rates, and Quality Levels?
04:15 Available Frame Rates With the Atomos Ninja V and Canon EOS R
06:08 Recording a Different Resolution Than What is Output?
06:37 Codecs - File Size and Quality
08:04 Internal Canon EOS R Codec Differences IPB vs ALL-I
09:26 Recording ProRes With the Atomos Ninja V
09:34 Does IPB and ALL-I Change the HDMI Output?
10:09 ProRes File Size Overview Chart
10:29 How Long Can You Record With a 500gb SSD Drive?
11:46 Recording ALL-I vs IPB and 8bit vs 10bit in ProRes on the Ninja V
13:10 But What About Quality Differences Between ProRes 422 LT and HQ?
13:31 Is There a Difference When Using C-Log View Assist?
15:15 Internal ALL-I vs ProRes 422 LT?
15:44 Comparing 8bit 4k vs 10bit 4k ProRes LT
16:25 ProRes 422 LT vs 422 vs 422 HQ
16:54 Internal IPB vs ALL-I vs External ProRes 422 LT 1080p and 4k
17:36 Conclusion
19:02 Outro
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@stevencampbell6468 3 жыл бұрын
This video answered a ton of questions for me. Nice work man
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate that 🌸.
@ThatGuyZeb 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. Liked and subscribed.
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@rogerthompson2005 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your in depth breakdown! Just bought this set up recently on sale... my videography start! Will check out your other vids. Nice work! :)
@FilmAshton 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this thorough video about this. I couldn't figure out how to get 24 in 1080 and I was pretty bummed. I don't know how people use the massive files of 4k video if they're making a lot of videos. I couldn't store that much footage... Thanks again!
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it. And I agree. The hidden costs of shooting, editing, and delivering 4k are pretty huge and not feasible for most. Even I don’t shoot 4k at the moment (Made a video about why not recently). 🌸 But the time will come 👍.
@georgesotiropoulos9935 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. Great video. Just to clarify that Ninja V can record 1080p 60fps on EOS-R?
@kylekoch7206 2 жыл бұрын
Great video on specs. Love the test graphics. I just purchased a Ninja V+ and wonder what might be your insight on recommend settings and if we can get any form of C-Log (or RAW) that isn't going to be 12 minutes per 500G card.
@ChrisSpiegl 2 жыл бұрын
Guess that heavily depends on the format you'd like to record as well as the resolution and framerate. If you record the H.265 codec (not sure if that's included with the V+ or if it's a paid firmware feature there as well). But generally the H.265 would be a great low storage needs codec. But if quality matters and you really want to utilize C-Log… then you're going to be stuck with huge files in ProRes or RAW.
@photo-markus Жыл бұрын
I recently bought the atomos connect for ninja V. I encountered a bug: I can’t record on my ninja v when the connect module is mounted. The button is inactive. If I take the module off, it records perfectly on the SSD. What could be wrong?
@gwbm Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, great video, Thanks for the Info. Do you know why when I set up the R to record HD 60fps, it records 1080p 60fps in the Ninja V?
@reelnatebrown 3 жыл бұрын
Never mind you answered my Question thanks and for the record they dont if any one is wondering..
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Correct, this is sadly not an option since the EOS R does not output a RAW HDMI signal. Canon is very much moving forward with the mirrorless line but they are in some way s also behind other manufacturers in terms of these features like RAW, unlimited record time, and more). Happy shooting 🌸.
@NathanKatash 3 жыл бұрын
the quality of 1080P 50/60P with the recorder looks sharper and better then the internal soft 1080P or it looks the same? how the 1080P external compare to the 4K internal?
@waynejordan3295 5 ай бұрын
That's a ton of details
@ChrisSpiegl 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate that.
@manuever.blading Жыл бұрын
@ChrisSpiegl I am wondering if the external recording of C-Log 1080p 8-Bit 4:2:2 with ProRes is so much better than the internal C-Log 1080p 8-Bit 4:2:0 that it would justify buying the Atomos Ninja V? I thought the recorder would make an addition that improves the EOS R very much, but because the 10-Bit is restricted to 4k I can not use it due to the crop. Any insight on this?
@fotimtocimziju 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such great video - I know that you mentioned that, but just wanted to be clear here - could I shoot 1080p with Ninja and R, will I get the benefits using the external recorder? I do not care about the length of video - I mostly shoot max 5min. But I care about the picture quality - is it better to shoot 4K and downscale (which i really do not want for size-wise reasons) or is 1080p crispy as well? Thank you.
@ChrisSpiegl 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Matej, I use the Ninja in and the EOS R with 1080p all the time and it is great. The difference in quality is much less noticeable at this resolution though. Personally I would not buy the Ninja V if all I want is "better quality recording in 1080p". But if you also appreciate the bigger screen, scopes, and such, then it's still a worth wile investment.
@fotimtocimziju 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you very much...
@TristanErvin 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, when I set my EOS-R to 10 bit in C-Log, it's only giving me to options to shoot - 4K at 29.97P, and 4K at 23.98P, neither of which shows All-I and not even IPB. Any suggestions?
@TristanErvin 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Spiegl got it! Makes sense - I was slightly confused but this helps. I also set the ninja five to record in 422 Pro Res. Thanks for your help!
@NoiseGateMusicStudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the the awesome information. need a help from you though. The Prores raw is not promptimg for any activation. Can you suggest something. It just gives me the QR to register the product
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Please contact the ATOMOS Support for this. They can probably help you there.
@BartekDziedzictv Жыл бұрын
Hello Chris Thanks for this great video. Could you tell me can you Edit prores straight from ssd via USB adapter? I'm looking to add two atomos ninja for my Canon r and Canon R5 to have unlimited record time{30min record time} and to make yt video edits faster.
@ChrisSpiegl Жыл бұрын
Yes, that works quite well.
@nameynameusername 3 жыл бұрын
Firstly, amazing video! Secondly I have some questions. I'm using a Canon EOS R with the Ninja V and I'm trying to figure out how to shoot ProRes RAW in 1080p. I can record regular ProRes but when I switch to ProRes RAW the record symbol shows up on my camera but doesn't;t trigger the Ninja into recording and I get a ycbcr ninja v bubble in the top left hand corner.
@TheMash84 2 жыл бұрын
Don't think EOS R is capable to output RAW to the HDMI.
@ChrisSpiegl 2 жыл бұрын
That is correct, the EOS R can not output RAW. It tops out at 4k 10bit.
@raredreamfootage 4 жыл бұрын
2:36 - At this point can you record internally? The reason why I am asking is because I love using external monitors to view my image while recording internally.
@risbill1 3 жыл бұрын
If you're just going to record internally then maybe save your money and get the Shinobi monitor. However if you're camera is set to a format it can record internally then technically yes and you can also do dual record to the sd card and the Ninja V.
@ReggieSoares 4 жыл бұрын
👍 thank you for talking about the Frame rate . Now I know the ninja V only records 59fps on 1080p.
@ReggieSoares 4 жыл бұрын
Oh ! Ok I do have a Eos R . I do understand now. Thank you
@collinstebbins2598 3 жыл бұрын
No it does also shoot 24. Not 23.97 though.
@ReggieSoares 3 жыл бұрын
Can you show us how to record internally 24 FPS on ninja V ?
@collinstebbins2598 3 жыл бұрын
Reggie Soares yes of course. If you are shooting log make sure it’s 8bit. With your camera on FHD 59.94 go to ‘movie rec quality’, scroll down to 24.00p and choose enable. On the Ninja V it will change to IN HDp24.
@ReggieSoares 3 жыл бұрын
Collin Stebbins looks simple right Collin Stebbins Now please do it on the Canon EOS R And show it to us please .
@jeetinj 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris can Ninja V record proxies simultaneously along with main video files when used with Canon EOS R?
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
No, as far as I am aware that is not an option and I think to remember that I tried to find that out at some point (and was a bit disappointed). However: ProRes files are kinda like proxies while editing. Aside from size they are extremely easy to work with.
@followraul 4 жыл бұрын
for some reason my ninja v isn't picking up audio when hooked up to the Eos r. I tried recording audio from the external mic on the camera and also hooked up a mic to the camera and even the Nina monitor but I haven't been able to figure out how to record audio.
@followraul 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Spiegl thanks so much Chris at first when I was playing back the files I recorded with the ninja I was only testing them on Quick time player but once I uploaded the file to Premiere I saw the audio linked! Thank you for your help Chris! 👍🏼
@SretloW 3 жыл бұрын
Is the 1080p 24fps and 60fps also 10bit ProRess? I am a photographer and beginner in video..
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, the 10bit with the Canon EOS R is only available in 4k. Thus you can use 10bit ProRes with 4k at 24fps (and the other available frame rates) but not at 1080p at all.
@shazbk7616 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your in-depth video. Awesome! I call you the German version of Gerald-Undone!
@ChrisSpiegl 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate that 🌸.
@ansonh7495 3 жыл бұрын
Armando Ferreira from his video claimed that the 10 bit output to Ninja v is way sharper than the internal 8 bit. Did you experience this at all? From your tests it seems like the internal recording of the R is just not as detail/sharp as external recording regardless of 8 or 10 bit, can you confirm this? Thanks.
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
I personally found the difference to be very small in this regard. However, I also do not necessarily punch in a whole lot or do this kind of sharpness pixel peeping. Then again, if you are going to shoot 4k, then there is really no good reason not to use the 10bit. I personally use 1080p most of the time and thus the 10bit is not even an option because of the EOS R not offering it. Hope that helps.
@bryancc2012 3 жыл бұрын
good information. I record a clog 3 4k 30p HQ on R5 and output as prores HQ and try to edit it with lumafusion but the ipad pro or the lumafusion can't open it as it shows as 12 bit. suppose it should be 10 bit? why it's 12 bit and how to turn it to 10 bit and let the lumafusion to edit it? thanks
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly the iPad (and Luma Fusion) are currently not able to edit ProRes files (last I checked). So, probably the only way to do this would be to transcode the files to something like HEVC or h264. 🙈
@risbill1 3 жыл бұрын
Just to clarify prores works just fine on windows so it's not just for Mac. Only reason to use dnxhd is if you're using avid software.
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this clarification. I was of the impression that it was incompatible with Windows. Maybe that was the case in the past and now Windows also is compatible. The things I don't know because I live in my little universe of basically all macOS systems 🙈. Thanks again.
@risbill1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl yeah I'm pretty sure they added support back in 2018. My universe is completely void of apple products lol.
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
@@risbill1 That's awesome that it's now universal or at least somewhat. Happy creating 💪.
@jimmyq2videos 4 жыл бұрын
I setup my eos R and ninja V and the ninja stopped recording at the 29 minute limit of the camera. Why did it do this? I do have it set to start recording when the camera record button is pressed. Does that affect continuous recording? Everything else as I can tell was fine and it should have kept going.
@lydia_a_a 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't yet purchased the EOS R but have been researching much. I found this info: "Unlimited recording time ONLY if you remove the SD card from the camera or shoot in 4K 10-bit log (in which case the R will not record internally)" www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4424578 Hope this helps--four months later ;)
@WildHorseProductions 4 жыл бұрын
You should update the EOS R Firmware. It's amazing
@WildHorseProductions 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl I think you mentioned your firmware is 1.4. It's currently 1.6 and improves the eye AF a lot.
@ThePhotoGraphe 10 ай бұрын
Hi Chris. Thanks for sharing very educative. But please, when I connect my Ninja V to EOS R5, the camera LCD goes black. What Am I doing wrong?
@ChrisSpiegl 10 ай бұрын
That's happening in Photo Mode & when you go into menus. In video mode when you output a "clean signal" over HDMI you can still see the stuff on the camera display. After 30 Minutes I think it's normal that the screen will always shut off.
@ThePhotoGraphe 9 ай бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl Thank you Chris. You are the first person to respond to me on this. That makes you a pal in my world. THANK YOU But I think Canon is being mean. Sony shooters can use both screens in both modes. I think it's just a software issue . I have shot Canon all my life from T90 todate but it's a appalling that Canon never listens
@ReviewTechTVDE 4 жыл бұрын
I think the internal recording of the EOS-R is limited to 4:2:0 chroma sampling both in IPB and ALL-I, and external recording unlocks the higher 4:2:2, which Apple ProRes can take good advantage of, see Apple Codec Documentation: ➜ www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/docs/Apple_ProRes_White_Paper.pdf
@ReviewTechTVDE 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl So far I have only used EOS R with the internal recording, but after reading the white paper, and watching several videos, including yours, I pulled the trigger and ordered the Ninja V recently.
@ReviewTechTVDE 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl Probably a good idea to record in ProRes, I always was on the fence thinking ALL-I would be enough, but it appears the Apple codec is superior.
@jeetinj 3 жыл бұрын
Can we record 1080p externally with ninjaV + EOS R ? if yes then does it give 10 bit output for 1080P?
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jeetin, yes you can absolutely record 1080p with the NinjaV and the EOS R. Please also refer to these videos kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bKl5a7xzxpfGiqs.html / kzfaq.info/get/bejne/layclbmDupealoE.html for more details about some special things about that setup (namely that in 1080p you can only send 60fps or exact 24fps out the HDMI port). Additionally, the Ninja V will always "record" 10 bit, however, in 1080p the EOS R only outputs 8bit. Which still helps make the recording better to work with and also a bit nicer in in extreme grades, but not that vastly different. Hope that helps.
@jeetinj 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl great..one more thing if u can tell.. does external 1080p quality is better than internal 1080p.. thank u so much in advance ur video is really helpful
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeetinj I would say in a minuscule way it does improve 1080p quality. However, I would also say that if you are only getting it for that purpose (and not for any of the other benefits) it would absolutely not be worth it.
@Petramojomusic 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Chris,I also use Canon eos R but I am a live streamer. Can we use Ninja for that and is it worth it to buy in terms of quality of the picture video live streaming quality?Thank you!
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Hello YouR Greene Eye Girl, great to have you here. You can certainly use the Ninja for live streaming, however, I am not quite sure why you would buy it if it is just for the purpose of seeing you larger? What do you think you would gain by adding the Atomos Ninja to your setup, maybe then I can give you a better recommendation or answer if it makes sense to purchase the Ninja V.
@Petramojomusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl Dear Chris,only because I read that in clog Ninja gives better colors at 10 bits. But I am not tech savvy so I am really happy you answered. It is too expensive and if that will not make my clog any better for live streams it is good news. I subscribed of course.
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
@@Petramojomusic Hello, ok, with that I think I can give you a better answer. For the purpose of live streaming, I would not buy the Ninja. The Ninja is a great monitor, and it can also apply a LUT and then you can use that in Live streaming. BUT: and that's a big BUT. For live streaming, you will not see a difference - especially once everything is processed and sent through the internet in like 5000 Kbps. The Ninja is only worth it if you also want to use it to record the Cameras HDMI feed + have a monitor + want to make use of the ProRes files that come out of it for editing. But for live streaming - there are better solutions (and one of which is to use OBS and apply a LUT there). You can still use c-log in the camera that way. Hope that helps. Good luck and have fun streaming .🌸
@Petramojomusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl It helps a loooot!!!Thank youuuu!!!
@MohondhaY Жыл бұрын
So EOS R and Atmos Ninja combo cannot do 4k60? I heard another KZfaqr say it can.
@LukePerri Жыл бұрын
EOS R can only shoot max 4k30. There is no 4k60 capability in the camera's firmware.
@dushyantbhatt9345 2 жыл бұрын
100p is supported ? With atomos
@ChrisSpiegl 2 жыл бұрын
Don't know - have never used.
@omarlistills 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to get 4K 60fps externally?
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
This depends on the camera that you are using with the Atomos Ninja V. The Canon EOS R (which I have in this video) does not output 4k 60fps and thus the Ninja also can not record it. However, if you would use the Ninja V with a camera that does output 4k 60fp, then it would be able to record it as well.
@omarlistills 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl thank you
@dushyantbhatt9345 3 жыл бұрын
Z6 II right ? Z6 II can do RAW right ?
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Based on the information of this page it seems the Z6 II is compatible for ProRes RAW: www.atomos.com/prores-raw
@dushyantbhatt9345 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl thanks a lot 🙏🏽 .. will check... thanks
@antogutierrez8890 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos Chris. There are always very educational. I´ve just watched a video in KZfaq: “24 Hours in Tokyo | CANON EOS R Travel Photography “ It is a really good video. Someone asked the creator about the settings,c-log, luts, etc….and the creator said: “shoting log with h264 is one of the worst things you can do. Shoot a regular picture style. I use neutral on my Eos r”. I was surprised to read that. You are experimenting a lot with this camera, so what are your thoughts about this? Thank you!
@antogutierrez8890 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl Thank you very mucho for answering me !! I really appreciate it ! I´m going to keep in mind all your thoughts and your experience.
@reelnatebrown 3 жыл бұрын
Does it records ProRes Raw from the Canon EoS R?
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
Just like you already noticed in your second comment… it is sadly not possible to capture ProRes RAW from the Canon EOS R. Thanks for your comment and also your own resolution 🌸.
@spencerbigum1309 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl Did this change on the latest update? It says it's supported on the Atomos website...
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
@@spencerbigum1309 Please let me know which information you specifically mean. Do you mean ProRes RAW support on the Canon EOS R with the Atomos Ninja V? And where did you find that? I want to check it out 🌸.
@spencerbigum1309 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisSpiegl I went to this page: www.atomos.com/products/ninja-v and then scrolled down to the proRes raw section and clicked compatible cameras and searched for the canon eos r. Looking at it again it only says it's compatible with Atomos :( - still waiting I guess. Not even the new R5 has it? Thanks for all the info earlier too!
@ChrisSpiegl 3 жыл бұрын
@@spencerbigum1309 yes, that’s what I thought. Sadly canon does not seem to be all too excited about ProRes RAW. 🧐 I wish. Maybe someday. But honestly I am not sure how much longer people are going to wait. The competition’s not sleeping 💤 either! I always have my eyes open but switch is also pretty damn expensive. So let’s work with what we got. Sidenote 📝 : the storage may not be worth it anyways. At least not for my videos that I do at the moment.
@jasonl4718 2 жыл бұрын
Biggest bummer....EOS R cant export 4K 60FPS at 10-bit, highest is 30FPS. Sucks for us shooting b-roll to SLOW MO in editing. This doesnt get mentioned much and is just a limitation of the EOS-R. Might have to go R6 or Blackmagic for "budget" 10-bit 4K 60FPS. Please correct me if Iʻm wrong.
@ChrisSpiegl 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say, but you are not wrong and I do not think that this is "not mentioned". It's just a fact that the Tech Specs of the EOS R do not allow for 4k 60fps at all, in no way. And yes, you would have to go R6 or similar for this if you want to stay with Canon - and you would also get the benefit of 4k Full Frame instead of the 1.8x Crop the EOS R has. However, I would hold out if you can a few more months. Maybe - just maybe - Canon will bring a EOS Rm2 and get us 4k60 at full frame? At least I am hoping that will happen.
@WOWmaticFilms 3 жыл бұрын
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