The author and theologian dives deep into the heart of Romans. For show notes and more information, visit: christianityto...
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@louisebrislane66075 ай бұрын
NT Wright is correct, it took me until my later years to discover that God the Father truly loves me because I equated God the Father to my own abusive father. Also as a small child I remembered the blood & thunder sermons of the 1950s which first put the fear of God into me. It wasn't really until 7 years ago when I first read the Old Testament for the first time that I finally came to understand that God so loved the world.... Finally I was able to embrace God the Father as my LOVING, HEAVENLY FATHER!!
@VCPPCMG20235 ай бұрын
Come let us reason together! Love the way Professor Wright "reasons". What a tremendous blessing.
@numbernine85717 ай бұрын
ROMANS 8:28 IS THE VERSE THEY ARE DISCUSSING. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I HAD TO SEARCH THROUGH 25 COMMENTS TO FIND IT.
@jq89746 ай бұрын
Thank you! Was scanning comments to find this bit of info! LOL 😂
@scripturial5 ай бұрын
Well, at least now you won't forget which verse this is :)
@PennySmart4 ай бұрын
Thank you, I was just curious to know what it was without listening to the whole thing, as I'm not a great fan of NT Wright, I recently heard John Piper say they disagree on justification. But I can guess what he's saying, it's true that verse is bandied about far too much "according to His purpose" being conveniently forgotten or downplayed ;)
@krissmork4 ай бұрын
@@PennySmart you should listen to the whole thing, it's pretty good
@AgapeJohn-fx5er4 ай бұрын
Thank you I was searching for which verse was the one in question.
@partnerwithmissionone6 ай бұрын
This Russell Moore interview of NT Wright is based on the 2023 NT Wright book, “Into the Heart of Romans: A Deep Dive Into Paul’s Greatest Letter.” The book is about one chapter: Romans 8. The verse under consideration is Romans 8:28. A traditional translation of Rom 8:28: “And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose” (ESV). Or in the KJV: “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” NT Wright argues that in the original Greek, in Rom 8:28, “God is the subject of the main verb.” The subject is not “all things.” So he prefers the RSV translation: “We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose” (see p. 158). What's the significance? It is in the word, WITH. "God works all things together for good WITH those who love him.” Not “for those” or “to them.” And this is why this video title has the phrase “the most misunderstood verse in the Bible.” One of the main results of this view is that salvation is less about “being saved FROM the world” and more about “being saved FOR the world.” This represents a paradigm shift concerning our vocation as the people of God. There are massive implications for our theology and practice. In his book, Wright spells all this out in a verse-by-verse exegesis of the Greek. The Russell Moore interview with Wright offers tip-of-the iceberg highlights. (Written by Werner Mischke, VP, Mission ONE)
@thederwentexperience48946 ай бұрын
Thank you 👍
@trumpetblast23265 ай бұрын
@@thederwentexperience4894 This chaneel has nothing to do with Yahweh and Yeshua! These a pagans who practice paganism. They quote from the popular cristianity and popular cristianity is pagan. I pray you wake up from these false prophets, these a re false prophets and you do not need any commentaries of men to explain the Bible to you. The Bible is very clear, Yeshua the word made it very clear! Yahweh warned us about adding or taking away from the Bible and these people added volumes of mens thoughts. The Bible is very clear. I pray you wake up. May Yahweh bless you and keep you through Yeshua, Amen!
@desmcauley19674 ай бұрын
@@trumpetblast2326 Well said
@lawrencel.97324 ай бұрын
Thank you for this succinct summation.
@tonygrainge3164 ай бұрын
Thank you 🫡
@Ruby-wise4 ай бұрын
Thank You for hosting this great conversation…and giving us opportunity to see and hear the amazing voice, insight and experience of NT Wright!
@marknovetske47383 ай бұрын
In many many places in the old testament and it's also stated in at least one place in the new testament." The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom ". Now yes without a doubt God loves us and even came down from heaven and suffered a horrible death to reestablish our relationship with him. Modern people continually want to only emphasize The God of mercy and love ....and want to ignore the dignity and power and majesty...the one whom we owe our reverential love, obedience and worship. God isn't to be reduced to our slave by his love for us! We are to be conformed to him ....not him accepting our sin and him being forced by his love for us to ignore our stubborn obstinate life of sin!
@stevewiddows3 ай бұрын
Truth.
@richardpetervonrahden63935 ай бұрын
Thank you for this interview, both to Prof Wright for his knowledge, and to Russell Moore for his insightful questions.
@MrAgonizomai4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this interview. It’s a very long time since I was a student at Wycliffe Hall and N T Wright was Chaplain of Worcester College and a visiting lecturer on NT studies at Wycliffe! I’ve had an on/off relationship with his works over the years, partly because some people whose theology I didn’t get on with thought he was the bee’s leg-joints, so as I didn’t trust them theologically, I didn’t trust him. This interview reminded me of what I liked about him when I did hear him speaking, and that his theology is a generous orthodoxy with room for people to disagree without having to be disagreeable about it. His emphasis on covenant is refreshing in contrast to the mediaeval Latin-legalism that often marks discussion of atonement on the Calvinist side of the aisle, without giving way to those who dismiss penal, substitutionary atonement as barbaric and sub-Christian, throwing out the atoning baby with the theological bathwater. I loved his way of saying that we and some of those with whom we disagree may be either side of a dividing line between two ways of thinking, but yet be closer together than we are to the extremes on our side of the dividing line. The Bible does not place us with Cicero in the Roman Forum, nor with Greta Thunberg on the climate protest, but with Jesus by the sea, in the temple and on the cross. The mediaeval church and Christians in that day were in their own time, we are in ours, and we need to pass on the message of God’s love in Christ and how it works out, in the context in which we now are, linking the world of the Bible with the world of today.
@pattiharrison12113 ай бұрын
I love N.T. Wright ❤❤❤ he so knowledgeable and I love his way of teaching Thanks for sharing. ❤
@pricklypear74974 ай бұрын
Thank you. This is a wonderful conversation.
@psalm2forliberty5776 ай бұрын
You know I'm so blessed by NTS depth and love of the Lord Jesus Christ and of the scriptures I was hearing that Russell Brand a fellow Brit who is a large cultural force in his own right and has embraced Buddhism in the past but is now exploring Christianity and was reading CS Lewis's the problem of pain and I was wondering if Professor Wright reads this, if he would be able to reach out to Russell Brand to perhaps discuss these matters, noting that to me NT wright is probably the inheritor of the legacy of CS Lewis and therefore able to answer Brands questions about the Faith, in depth .
@chrisregas50453 ай бұрын
Russell, you need some crooked lamp shades in your background to really get your scholar vibe going!
@felixfourcolor2 ай бұрын
1. The verse is Romans 8 : 28 2. The part about it started at 31:53
@SeanusAurelius7 ай бұрын
The fear of God's wrath as an unbeliever and the love of God with full assurance as a believer are flip sides of the same coin. Wright and Moore are kneejerking against the first side of the coin. It's a legitimate pastoral matter for individuals, but balance is needed.
@biblicaltheologyexegesisan90243 ай бұрын
Love the energy of Wright and his theological acumen
@TommJensen3 ай бұрын
I stumbled on this vide today. Truly blessed by it . Thank you Russell and thank you Mr NT wright
@elizabethbillingsley55344 ай бұрын
NT Wright dropping the mic on our fits in the West!
@michaelbrickley24437 ай бұрын
Just finished listening again, “for by its’ light, I can see all things,” Thank you, Tom, for that gem of thought. Amen
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
Kind of like, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free!" Gee, I have this suspicion that this is not what Jesus said. What was it that He actually said because the part that is missing there is key! What is that pesky part of that sentence that is missing?
@darlameeks5 ай бұрын
I saw "N.T. Wright" in the title of this video and had to watch! The beginning of the pandemic in 2020 coincided with Lent, and I decided to get off social media for 40 days and nights EXCEPT for videos by Bible scholars and teachers. I discovered N.T. Wright and watched just about every lecture and sermon of his that I could find on KZfaq. His book "Surprised By Hope" is not a surprise given what I heard in those lectures...so hopeful! I was an Episcopalian at the time, and have now become a Catholic...but I still love to listen to him speak. Through him I have learned what the Christian hope *is*, and what Christians are called to *be*. I've sometimes mused that perhaps Tom Wright is an apostle of hope.
@SheepDog19743 ай бұрын
Do you venerate Mary? Or pray to saints? Do you confess sins in a confessional to a priest?
@jaggedstarrPI3 ай бұрын
Good stuff @darla! And good for you not taking the bait (of the typical anti-Catholic leading questions...the kind of questions which, sadly, let you know the questioner isn't seeking answers, just reinforcement of their existing prejudice and ignorance). On a much happier note: I too am a huge fan of NT Wright as a Christian of the Catholic denomination. There are many thousands of us, going by his book sales and lecture attendance.
@SheepDog19743 ай бұрын
@@jaggedstarrPI the questioner is perhaps trying to help you realize that some aspects of your faith are "practice and ritual" and have nothing to do with the following of Jesus Christ and everything to do with religion.
@jaggedstarrPI3 ай бұрын
Thanks SheepDog :-) I appreciate your generosity of spirit. You're probably right; nevertheless, in addition to being a silly, self appointed defender of the Church, lol, I am also on a Quixotic crusade to rescue the word religion itself...big dreams, I know. It's been useful to point out the danger in religious forms but I say we're well past that and have thrown out the baby with the bath water. Religion means to bind together. As long as it has Christ as its objective it is both good and necessary. I completely reject the false dichotomy of faith vs. religion. But I digress. Thanks again for your great feedback. Peace
@jaggedstarrPI3 ай бұрын
P s By the way Sheep Dog, I find it much better to focus on the log in the eye of my own denomination than trying to convince other Christians that the speck in their tradition needs to be the priority. What does your church get wrong? In your opinion of course. In my opinion, my church gets it wrong when they deny communion to folks who are divorced and remarried. Maybe you can pray for us.
@A-childOfGod-pp4ge4 ай бұрын
People can’t live by parts of Scripture, those that fit in to today’s societal expectations or ones own desires, , rather, one needs to prescribe and live by the WHOLE Word of God, no matter how much it might hurt for some. Paul made this topic of women speaking out in churches and ministering very, VERY clear; and not just in some small, single verse but, rather, multiple passages and Books within Scripture. Blessings 🙏🏼❤ OnlyJesuSaves ✝👑📖👍🏼🙏🏼❤
@stevewiddows3 ай бұрын
truth.
@juliachildress29437 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr. Moore for having the wisdom to talk to and respect those who may not agree with you on every point. I always learn something from you and your guests. And it's always a joy to hear Dr. Wright expound on scripture. I would like to make a comment about egalitarianism and the differences between men and women (by the way, I'm a female teacher and preacher and relatively conservative in my Christian beliefs). I don't believe that philosophically, egalitarianism implies that men and women are identical and interchangeable. It implies that first, men and woman are of equal value in the sight of God and should be so in human eyes as well. Both deserve the equal right to pursue their callings and their interests without being forced to conform to other people's interpretations of God's will for their lives, and finally, both partners need to be willing and able to fulfill the responsibilities and duties of being a partner and a parent. And yes, it's obvious that there are biological differences between the sexes. However, whatever our perceived differences between the sexes may be, it's impossible to predict how our maleness or femaleness will affect our personalities. Case in point: "women are more emotional then men," "men are the natural leaders," "women like to feel protected," "men are better decision-makers." All of those may be true in many cases, but they're not true in all cases, and better not to jump to hasty conclusions about people, especially since women seem to bear the brunt and suffer the limitations when aspiration conflicts with stereotype.
@dianeellison30903 ай бұрын
Genesis 3:15-19
@scripturial5 ай бұрын
This is one of the reasons I advocate for Christians to spend some time learning to read Biblical Greek. The more comfortable we become with reading the original biblical text, the better able we are to cut through the nonsense and read the text as it truly is.
@graceline4 ай бұрын
Nowhere in Romans 8:28 does it say that God works for those that love Him. It says And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
@gregehlert23493 ай бұрын
Thank God for N.T. Wright!
@beverlykerr65904 ай бұрын
So interesting and so much to absorb. Thank you gentlemen, I'll be listening again and probably again!.
@garysimpson84088 ай бұрын
Two of my favourite thinkers on the same show. If the rest of the church could emulate the theological hospitality shown by these two, we’d be in a much better place.
@Ellie497 ай бұрын
"Theological hospitality." Wonderful term!
@bobreese48077 ай бұрын
@@Ellie49 The problem in Christianity is LACK of SOTERIOLOGICAL hospitality..
@matthewdyer29266 ай бұрын
"Two of my favorite thinkers..." That's a sad statement.
@soundsbig3 ай бұрын
The simplest thing is the hardest thing... Love God. Love people. Christ embodied that. He died for that. He rose again for that. Now we GET to do the same thing as a collective Body with different expressions of parts working throughout time as a mysterious unity aimed at restoring all things back to the Good from which it was made. This is Good News indeed! Thank you for this remarkable discussion which offers confirmation of our blessed vocation as followers of Christ.
@AndyZach3 ай бұрын
I've read several of NT Wright's books, notably 'The Resurrection of Jesus Christ' and 'Book of Revelation'. It was a delight to hear him in person. He sounds as reasonable as he writes. We don't agree on everything, but I love his heart for God.
@michaeldunigan10677 ай бұрын
When you practice the teaching of Yeshua for long enough it becomes second nature. But when the Law of God is written upon your heart it becomes a natural part of your character. It becomes first nature. And you cannot break it.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
So what you are saying is that "Not all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God!"
@crazycoolkids007 ай бұрын
Michael, this was incredibly well-put! I'm going to recall this idea and use it. Thank you.
@dw34037 ай бұрын
@@robertbrown7470 Of course all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. There is no one deserving of Gods love by their works. But the real message is being born again you are set back into a new creation which is loved because you have believed in the one God sent. And it was he who said all the laws were rolled into one. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. The simplicity of the gospel.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
@@dw3403 OK, I don't understand what you mean by all the laws were rolled into one?
@dw34037 ай бұрын
@@robertbrown7470 matthew 7:12 But remember Jesus was speaking to the pharisees who thought they were righteous because they followed the laws. There were over 900 at that time. Gal 2:16
@jrhemmerich8 ай бұрын
I so very much love N.T. Wright's wisdom and historical insights. Yet, I do struggle with his answers about the larger framing on "how to be saved" as a solution to passages like Romans 8 on glorification and its place in salvation. It just seems that the "this worldly" correction of the resurrection as the true ultimate destiny of those that are saved (as opposed to the "going to heaven" shorthand), does not alter or set aside the very important question of how one is saved. Or that glorification is about being conformed to the person of Christ which is the end goal of salvation (both of unmerited justification and the outworking of a living faith in sanctification). I would summarize my confusion as "that is an odd disjunction," or "the original love of God is a good wider framing, but how does that change the substance of the traditional answer"? There was a point where God being "disappointed" in us as sinners was put on the table or framed as a potentially bad thing by Moore. Or as a kind of "moralism" by Wright (4:50). But how is that a bad thing? Of course, God is disappointed in our disobedience. How is that a problem? The problem is not the "moral standard," but the trivialization of sin as misdemeanor rule breaking rather than a decisive wholistic turning against God from the heart. One need not even hold the view that Adam was trying to positively merit eternal life in the garden for God to be disappointed. One need only believe that Adam was supposed to maintain his original innocence by not turning against God's moral authority. For us to do this was a disappointment, and it wounded God. It was our unjust betrayal of God, who was innocent of any wrong toward us. God has every reason to have been disappointed in us. The amazing thing about mercy is that he was willing to put his just demands aside and to take our offense and the justice due him and cancel them by his own loving death and obedience on our behalf (Col. 2:14). Why must we downplay God's disappointment at our sin, and the drama of his overcoming this disappointment for the sake of his great love--the journey of God into the far country on our behalf? By eliminating the disappointment, we eliminate the great drama of his merciful lovingkindness! This is a strange way to approach the sinful person who might be offended by God's "moral" disappointment. Are we so fragile that we can't understand that God's disappointment is justified? Is not this possible offense an essential element of the gospel? When Wright presents the love of God and his presence pursuant to Romans 8, to the one who is saying "I'm fearful of judgment" or "what must I do to be saved" (21:00), it just seems he is insisting upon God's love already being with the person. But that seems to miss the question. True, the love of God can't be separated from those that are in Christ (Rom. 8). But that presumes that one is IN CHRIST! And that is the very heart of the uncertainty behind the question. So the answer to the question of the person who is looking for assurance about their future resurrected life with God (to rightly incorporate the larger framework, as Wright would say), is not just that "God is love and is FOR you," but "turn from trusting in yourself and cast yourself upon him," and believe that God suffered for your sin in Jesus Christ, and has cancelled your debt of obligation to his justice (Col. 2:14). If you turn to Christ and believe this, you shall know the Son, and the Son shall know you, and those who are united to the Son are known of God. Sure, we can address questions about the unevangelized and all that, but this is not a classroom, but a death bed question. Why should it be watered down to less than this? Absolutely, simply saying "God loves you, and love God back," should be enough, because perfect love casts out fear, but this person is fearful because they suspect that they did not love God as they should have, so this "love" is clearly not enough. The mercy in God's love, and trust in it, if at all possible, should be spelled out.
@ericstone4138 ай бұрын
But don't ignore what he says in 22:22-22:40. He doesn't leave out the atonement there.
@jrhemmerich8 ай бұрын
@@ericstone413, I appreciate that insight, and I agree with Wright that it’s about trusting that God is for us and it’s something about what Jesus has done. And it’s very true that one does not have to have a great deal of knowledge to be able to decide for God, one’s life experience will provide a sufficient background. It would be better, however, if we could specify for this person who is dying, and ourselves, what this vague “trust” is in. The “something about” Jesus that we would want to focus on in light of the teaching of Jesus would be, “have mercy upon me, a sinner” (Lk. 18:13-14), such is the trust we can have in Christ. This is the good-news, that the mercy in Christ is not “maybe, if you were good enough,” etc., but yes and amen. The fear and displeasure of God is not dealt with by denying its existence toward us, but in the confidence that God has overcome it for us in Jesus Christ. This is not a lot of difficult theory, though it is but the tip of an iceberg. My word of encouragement is, let’s not make the goodnews obscure out of a fear that it will raise the specter of God’s judgment, the word certainly is, “though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death you are with me,” but the reason is not because there is no wrath and glory that shines against sin, but because we are held in the cleft of the rock that is Jesus, upon whom God said well done. This is the trust we should highlight. Not trust in the love of God for someone like me who loves him as I should, or a “something about Jesus” but as one who trusts in the Father’s mercy because of his revelation that mercy triumphed over judgment in Jesus-that we can face him, because he has turned his face toward us.
@PC-vg8vn8 ай бұрын
@@jrhemmerich I agree with much of what you say. I wondered how you viewed the judgement seat of Christ which ALL will stand before. That causes fear in me. In listening to NT Wright you would think for Christians there is no judgement, but that is not what Paul says. I suppose many would argue such a judgement will not merit 'casting out' but rather a withholding of 'rewards' whatever they may be, but Im not convinced by that.
@grindercap8 ай бұрын
@@PC-vg8vn Greetings my friend! I would like to present my own take on this via a few questions and statements. It may be that I am not really grasping what you are saying so please forgive me if I am misunderstanding your point. If your life is hidden with Christ in God how can you be judged for sin? We are in Him and He is in us, is Christ to be made sin once more? The healthy outlook is to assume Jesus is with us, the Holy Spirit is mentoring us and God is pleased that we have begun to walk the path. Yes we have a hard road ahead yet our mind should be on doing what is right and not lingering and worrying about our failures along the way. Confess and turn away from what is wrong is the provided way. We are enabled to maintain our fellowship with God in this manner. True we should never be of the mind that we have already attained the goal while we are still on this mortal plane and fearing God is the beginning of wisdom, yet to consider ourselves as being lost and separated from God while we are walking in the way is also entirely wrong. Yes a judgement awaits the faithful, but it is as to what reward will be granted according to the level and quality of service provided to the Master. The judgement of the faithful will not be concerning sin. So, be up and doing! Feel free to respond or not, however you feel to do. Shalom!
@hyeminkwun95238 ай бұрын
"I never knew you. Depart from Me, you evil doers (Matt 7:23)." These words were spoken by Our Lord to those pastors in protestant churches, who teach partial Truth, by saying 'Lord, Lord', quoting Bible, mixed with heresies and lies to deceive unsuspecting souls and lead them to eternal perdition. Our Lord said, "I know My sheep and they know Me (John 10:14). They hear My voice and follow Me and I give them the eternal life (John 10:27-28)." The sheep in His Fold are the members of His Church, His Body and Bride whom He saves (Eph 5:23), which He founded on the 12 Apostles (Rev 21:14) with St. Peter as His Vicar (Pope) on earth, vesting him with His Authority by giving him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt 16:18-19), and sent to teach all nations to OBSERVE ALL HE Commanded and baptize them (Matt 28:20, Mark 16:16) for salvation of souls until the end of the world. And Our Lord said, "Whoever listens to you listens to Me. Whoever rejects you rejects Me and rejects the One who sent Me (Luke 10:16, John 13:20, Matt 10:40)." To justify their existence, protestant churches attack, accuse, slander, and reject the Catholic Church, therefore reject Our Lord, the Head of the Church (Col 1:18). Our Lord said, "Whoever rejects Me and does not accept My Words has something to judge him; the word that I spoke, it will condemn him on the last day (John 12:48). You do not believe because you are not among My sheep (John 10:26). Whoever is not with Me, is against Me (Matt 12:30)." So, Matt 7;23 was spoken to warn protestant pastors and those who follow them, so that they may repent and come to Our Lord's Only Sheepfold (John 10:16) and be saved.
@AlanMordue-hx5wv4 ай бұрын
Russell, a marvellous job as interviewer!
@harrisrosenberg7992Ай бұрын
Thank you for preaching a more compassionate empathetic and loving Jesus. Thank you that I do not have to be a Republican or a Democrat to be a born-again believer in Christ. Thank you that all I have to do is trust Jesus Christ his finished work his death his blood his resurrection. Thank you that there will be no political parties in the Kingdom of heaven
@BobSmith-lb9nc3 ай бұрын
A conversation between two brilliant Christians. Wonderful.
@shodospring5 ай бұрын
Well! If this guy had been teaching in the 70's, I could have stayed. (But I'm not coming back; Zen is awesome.) Glad I listened.
@lynbartlett3334 ай бұрын
An outstanding interview! Thank you very much.
@MarkDouglass-dt9ky3 ай бұрын
Great interview. However, NT Wright is incorrect about Roman's 8:28: the King James Version has the verse expressed correctly.
@michaelbrickley24437 ай бұрын
My uncle Livingston Blauvelt did a wonderful new translation and commentary on Romans, calling it, rightly so, Pauls Magnum Opus. I will have to find this new NT Wright book at a local library.
@adrianmsullivan3 ай бұрын
With all due respect, Christianity can make sense of a number of things, but not everything that can clearly be understood in its own right fits within a solidly Christian worldview, and sometimes there are things that are Christian that, although very appealing to believe, seem unlikely to be true. I am not here to argue it, and people are certainly free to disagree. At the same time, if anyone else is starting to think the way I do, please know that you are not alone. Maybe I am wrong, but for those who wish to correct me, please take comfort in knowing this: I may know less than you, but we are all at different places in our understanding. Maybe someday I will see things the same way as you. I wish everyone here the best.
@johnnypgood1008 ай бұрын
Is anyone else impressed by all the books in the background? Id love to look through that treasure trove!
@boomerbutler75698 ай бұрын
I have book envy as well
@jamesparker10638 ай бұрын
as the host/guest prove, a pile of "good books" makes NO guarantee, of godly wisdom....
@TheRomans9Guy8 ай бұрын
It’s easy to get a list of them, just search “books by NT Wright” joking
@leenieledejo68497 ай бұрын
@@jamesparker1063 EXACTLY 🎯 It's nothing but pitiful vanity.
@philipbuckley7595 ай бұрын
it is a double edged sword.....do all those books validate this teaching....and why not a more basic summary, for those, of us.....challenged in that dept....
@thatsmetalking3454 ай бұрын
Love how all these people just have to film themselves in front of their bookshelves - to show everyone how 'educated' they are.
@TheMOV133 ай бұрын
Their studies are probably the most convenient places to film. I very much doubt if NT Wright feels any need at all to show off about his learning.
@mikemaly12593 ай бұрын
I find the differences in libraries noteworthy. I wonder how long it would take for the libraries to be transformed if these two guys switched. Order vs Chaos.
@biblicaltheologyexegesisan90243 ай бұрын
Climate change: spring summer fall and winter
@andyarellanoChannel3 ай бұрын
how are these confusing times? these are the most obvious times we have ever had; clear lines are drawn; satan is loved on one side and rejected on the other; what could be confusing about that?
@reppepper8 ай бұрын
I met “NT” when he was Tom and spoke in Thunder Bay ON 🇨🇦
@Saratogan8 ай бұрын
Hearing this dialogue the first verse that came to mind was this "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36
@hyeminkwun95238 ай бұрын
"I never knew you. Depart from Me, you evil doers (Matt 7:23)." These words were spoken by Our Lord to those pastors in protestant churches, who teach partial Truth, by saying 'Lord, Lord', quoting Bible, mixed with heresies and lies to deceive unsuspecting souls and lead them to eternal perdition. Our Lord said, "I know My sheep and they know Me (John 10:14). They hear My voice and follow Me and I give them the eternal life (John 10:27-28)." The sheep in His Fold are the members of His Church, His Body and Bride whom He saves (Eph 5:23), which He founded on the 12 Apostles (Rev 21:14) with St. Peter as His Vicar (Pope) on earth, vesting him with His Authority by giving him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt 16:18-19), and sent to teach all nations to OBSERVE ALL HE Commanded and baptize them (Matt 28:20, Mark 16:16) for salvation of souls until the end of the world. And Our Lord said, "Whoever listens to you listens to Me. Whoever rejects you rejects Me and rejects the One who sent Me (Luke 10:16, John 13:20, Matt 10:40)." To justify their existence, protestant churches attack, accuse, slander, and reject the Catholic Church, therefore reject Our Lord, the Head of the Church (Col 1:18). Our Lord said, "Whoever rejects Me and does not accept My Words has something to judge him; the word that I spoke, it will condemn him on the last day (John 12:48). You do not believe because you are not among My sheep (John 10:26). Whoever is not with Me, is against Me (Matt 12:30)." So, Matt 7;23 was spoken to warn protestant pastors and those who follow them, so that they may repent and come to Our Lord's Only Sheepfold (John 10:16) and be saved.
@qmop28 ай бұрын
I am curious what you think of the new popes stance on Homosexuality? Also what do you think of the popes in the past that have had mistresses? @@hyeminkwun9523
@regpharvey7 ай бұрын
@@hyeminkwun9523 Wrong.
@hyeminkwun95237 ай бұрын
@@regpharvey Wrong? Why? Do you not understand that Our Lord wills that all who believe in Him through the teachings of the Apostles, namely His Church, be One (John 17:20-21)? Whoever causes a division is an instrument of the enemy of Our Lord, that is Satan who wants to drag souls to his Hell.
@Charity-vm4bt7 ай бұрын
@@hyeminkwun9523Good explanation.
@soloscriptura3 ай бұрын
So, 20:58 NT Wright's spiritual advice to someone on his deathbed worried about looming judgement is not to talk about confession of sin and repentance and faith in the cross of Christ, but to reassure the person of God's love. That's all I needed to hear to know the man is not biblical. He's a well-spoken wolf. Compare his message to what the apostles preached !
@BigIdeaSeeker7 ай бұрын
How does a show have a clickbait title like that and then not even reveal what the verse in question is in the notes?
@timjohnson9797 ай бұрын
Concur. Perhaps the title was not chosen by the interviewer, but that's no excuse for the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. Also, whenever you see such a superlative in a title, there is probably no consensus on whether it is generally true. In this case, I believe there are many candidates for most misunderstood verse in Scripture. Whatever one person thinks is the most misunderstood verse, another can make an argument for some other verse.
@jamesmaybury74526 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment, I’ve just stopped the video and will move on. We must start with honesty.
@mmfarmer77706 ай бұрын
Romans 8
@micahbrown73696 ай бұрын
It's probably Romans 8:28
@reallyangrysnowman6 ай бұрын
Watch the video and you’ll see the answer.
@richardpeck82672 ай бұрын
Use the Psalms as a prayer guide to directing your own words.
@trishaenglish87703 ай бұрын
Don't give in to your enemies Bibi, they are consumed by envy and hatred. You are the strongest leader in the world and truly the most admired. If you compromise or bend to the ICC you will have handed victory to those who want Israel destroyed. May the Lord bless you and keep you safe.
@paulkeniston56998 ай бұрын
Great Conversation! So many pearls of wisdom to guide us deeper into life and godliness in Christ
@Bibliotechno8 ай бұрын
I must say, as someone who believes in PSA, I didn't recognise a lot of the "very medieval angry" version of it, perhaps because God in love is taking it to himself. Its like putting up a version to shoot down. Also I would have thought the book of Hebrews would have to be reckoned in.
@beggarforbread8 ай бұрын
David Moffitt's "Rethinking the Atonement" wrestles with Hebrews in a way that NT Wright appreciates, if you want to see a similar perspective but on Hebrews. Very interesting work.
@Bibliotechno8 ай бұрын
@@beggarforbread Thanks for the tip. I love listening to NT Wright, but I often do seriously ponder if he's gone to the corporate view end of the scale in deference to the individual (who is at enmity with God/under wrath). He also has clearly widely read the secular literature, but I wonder if he trusts it more in deference to the Gospels' record. E.g. Some of the secular have sources many, many decades after the first century, whereas e.g. Luke 18 v 9 clearly records a temple Pharisee who was self righteous, self confident, self reliant. They were not Pelagian ( red herring), but Semi Pelagian, turning Grace into works or prideful accomplishment (which does reflect the 16th century situation in ways) . Also other passages, Jesus condemns them as "swiping a gnat, swallowing a camel", "hypocrites", etc. Then Paul himself Romans 10,v 1-4, Phil 3v9. Then the gospel defined as 1Cor 15 v 1-4. I also see NT going for "boundary conditions" like circumcision and ponder that "the circumcision" is those who "live it" or "hanker after the old ways", which would include the moral law that can never be met, etc. I believe, essential to salvation, is "I can never meet the righteous standard required", and need a Righteousness not my own, namely need the alien Righteousness of Jesus Christ (akin to the garment of salvation). Paul get very exercised about the Judiasers, and Hebrews shows going back is an inferior option and an eternal mistake. Must go look for that book. Thanks.
@beggarforbread8 ай бұрын
@@Bibliotechno To be fair, Wright has noted that there are necessarily both corporate and individual elements, as there undoubtedly are. And most of the time the larger issue is missing the corporate view because we've been raised to see everything through an individualistic lens. And I think he and others are just trying to understand it through ancient eyes, which is difficult, takes a lot of rethinking and reimagining, which is so difficult. He would also say that, while he may not totally be on board with PSA, there are still elements penal and substitutionary at play, it is just that those have been connected incorrectly in some areas. I hope people keep giving him and others a listen. It is complicated for sure, but there is no easy way to explain something when it potentially paradigm-shifting. Even though you disagree with Wright on this matter, kudos to you for still engaging with it thoughtfully! I am not in 100% agreement either, but it keeps me thinking critically about what has been handed down and my own inherited biases when reading the Bible.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
@@Bibliotechno Right. People don't need a re-interpretation of Scripture to say what they would like it to say. Like believing, if you are alive at the time, you will not go through Tribulation, you are going to be beamed out (raptured out). An unbelievalbe number of people in the West believe that - Hook, Line and Sinker! Who is the fisherman in that case?
@AlanMordue-hx5wv4 ай бұрын
Tom being wonderful as usual, The Fox thing is common to me as a fellow chap from Northern England and I laughed out loud...
@MrWholphin8 ай бұрын
15 mins in, what verse are they talking about?
@willyarnold38 ай бұрын
Yeah I know. Great discussion, but I hate click bait titles. The verse appears to be Rom 8:28, "All things work together for good." But it does not come up until about 32 minutes in.
@cryptojihadi2658 ай бұрын
@@willyarnold3UNBELIEVABLE! Thanks for letting us know. NEXT!
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
@@willyarnold3 It is simply a statement of fact.
@paulmclennan26558 ай бұрын
Love the wonky lampshades and stacks of books everywhere😂
@JamesRichardWiley7 ай бұрын
Luckily I gave up long ago trying to make sense of the Bible so there is no longer any misunderstanding of verses.
@davidwoods60157 ай бұрын
The most misunderstood verse in all of scripture has to be Matt.24:30.!!!! 2nd coming? Not on your life.!!!!!!! Judgement against the Matt.23 apostates, absolutely. !!!!!!
@chernowitz7 ай бұрын
Your honesty is to be commended. To understand the Bible we need illumination from God. That’s at least what the Bible claims
@linjicakonikon76667 ай бұрын
If you insist on embracing the heresy, the slander of "Eternal Torment", your ability to convince anyone that God is a God of Love is sabotaged.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
You will never know or understand the "why" of things on this Earth. Relax and realize that you are not God or a god. If you read the New Testament and don't get it, for some reason you are not listening. At the least you should get the jist of what God is telling you. But, if you do not want to understand and get it, you will not. It's your decision.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
@@chernowitz Seek and you will find. Does it all have to make sense to you or anyone else? No. To accept the truth of what the Bible says, the New Testament especially says is sufficient.
@keithwignall14286 күн бұрын
Brilliant!
@mikebrown9850Ай бұрын
God isn’t “restoring” mankind to anything. God’s purpose for man is to create His character in him (Matthew 5:48; 1 John 3:3). Man never fell from the character of God. He simply disobeyed God and brought on himself the penalty of eternal death. Christ death only paid that penalty. Man is not saved by Christ’s death. He is saved by His life(Romans 5:10).
@donnahamblet93986 ай бұрын
Hansel and Gretel is a story, Charles Dickens wrote stories. The Holy Scriptures are "TESTIMONIES" of what the Lord has planned.
@josephszimhart94317 ай бұрын
The comment N T made about The Lord's Prayer around minute 44 got to the heart of everything he tried to and did say here. (for me)
@franklongo49703 ай бұрын
Indeed, nothing can separate us from the love of God (see Romans 8:35-39); for "God is love" (1 John 4:8b). However, our behavior can remove us from the life of God in us (see Romans 8:12-14).
@mattfuller6513 ай бұрын
Charles Spurgeon said discernment isn’t about discerning right from wrong but right from almost right. Wright is almost right and as a result he is also dangerous. His misunderstanding of the gospel borders on the heretical.
@StephenHolland7 ай бұрын
If salvation is the bigger picture and vocation the lesser, why doesn't NT Wright focus on the bigger picture?
@Amerikaner19744 ай бұрын
I am done with fear mongering Christianity, the beauty of the gospel is what I'm drawn to
@MostlyContented8 ай бұрын
Professor Wright is a tremendously brilliant and helpful man who needs to straighten those lampshades.......
@SacredBook8 ай бұрын
Lol. Perhaps brilliance requires them skewed...
@TheRomans9Guy8 ай бұрын
OMG! Now I can’t unsee them!
@paulwells43727 ай бұрын
@@TheRomans9Guy Did you know that saying “omg” is replacing the Holy name of God as a filth word, like Human Excrement, it was punishable by death in the Old Testament. I’m assuming you never knew this or you certainly wouldn’t use it as a true born again Christian.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
yes, God needs help. Without Wright we are all lost. lol
@markhaney28847 ай бұрын
Man always makes God in their image, therefore, He is angry and judgmental. But Isa. 55 points out His ways are higher then ours, in that He freely forgives by His Grace. Hence we are called to come eat and drink without any ability to pay for it. The spirit of deceit specializes in a religious, old covenant perspective, that we have to do to earn!!!!
@juliekong50138 ай бұрын
Amen. Thank you for this!
@john318john8 ай бұрын
If that's the case why didn't Christ select a woman as one of his 12 disciple if NT wright wants to use Mary in Matthew 20, as an example to ordain a woman. How can anyone knowledgeable as NT Wright use that as an example. Please think people...
@philipbuckley7595 ай бұрын
ok, I give up.....I dont have a clue as to the message here....
@danielcartwright88688 ай бұрын
The arguments I hear against most 'environmentalism' is that the solutions are vague, expensive, unlikely to make a meaningful impact, and will only hurt poorer countries by taking away their most efficient means of producing energy. Jordan Peterson does a great job of summing up these arguments.
@dallascopp47982 ай бұрын
There are three simple solutions to climate change, nuclear energy, carbon capture and public transportation. Nuclear is the safest and cleanest form of energy out there. Places that can’t afford nuclear energy or other renewables, just give them carbon capture tech to put on their coal and fossil fuel plants. And public transport allows a large number of people to love without the need to all go by car. Everything else is vague, broad, nonsensical or a solution that relies upon future technology that doesn’t exist.
@themoakman6 ай бұрын
So important to know the whole Bible and the context of the Biblical story leading up to Jesus. My understanding of the cross and the gospel of Jesus was made so much more rich when I read through the Torah and especially when I came to the book of Leviticus.
@lw88654 ай бұрын
There are so many points of contention in what has been said I don’t know where to start. Sinners prayer never got anyone saved -it’s just words read out - it’s the conviction that one is a sinner, confession of that to God and then repentance - turning from sinful life. Leadership is male - women are helpmates to men. Isaiah 3:12 sums things up - women ruling over men is a judgement - desires of heart and leanness in soul. None can snatch us from Gods hand but we can take our hand from his.
@AncientNovelist8 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion! I am writing my first Biblical commentary, The Emerald Hexameron, about Gn 1-2 (I guess the title gives that away). Who knew N. T. Wright, of all people, would use Ps 8 to create a fascinating bridge between Rom 8:18-28 and Gn 1-2 by defining glorification as that which obtains by fulfillment of our standing as the Imago Dei. It's not heavenly pie in the sky, it's about regaining that which we lost through stupidity, going our own way, forgetting the imperatives of Gn 1:28-30 and 2:5-15. I don't know that I will even comment (in my book) on the misinterpretation of Genesis by New Testament scholars and preachers across the ideological spectrum, but Prof. Wright gives me a good starting place for any such exegesis. I conducted a cursory search of commentaries on my shelf and found no mention of Ps 8 in relation to Rom 8:18-28. N. T. Wright's connection of the two seems audacious, but his is an audacity I trust, and I trust particularly the way he defends his contention in the interview with you. He attacks the Enlightenment, as I will do in my commentary, since I believe (apparently with Prof. Wright!) that the Enlightenment caused a severe misunderstanding of Genesis to permeate theological thought over the last 300 years, and again across the entire ideological spectrum. He used one of my trigger words, 'Wisdom', but on second listening I found he implied wisdom was something obtained collaboratively, so I won't accuse him of lapsing into Siecle de lumiere reasoning. I have contended for some time that our true identity is not Homo sapiens (wise man) but rather Fabricator universalis, because Genesis does not speak of wisdom or rational thinking or logical syllogism or any other such nonsense. Genesis is about Creation, about the initial (transformative--per Prof. John Walton) acts of Creator God, and therefore, if we are to image God, we do so, in the lexicon of Genesis, as reflections of the Creator/Architect, and thus we image God as Builders, since builders reflect or carry out the instructions of the architect. Carl Linnaeus, that misguided child of the Enlightenment, performed one of the great disservices of science when he named us Homo sapiens, in effect distinguishing us, separating us from the Cosmos, placing us above Creation, and everyone--even those of us who profess faith--bought into his self-serving nonsense. Perhaps we (believers) don't consider ourselves owners of Creation, but we call ourselves 'stewards' and in a too patronizing, too paternalistic way. We put on our tweed jackets and break out our pipes to cogitate over the matter when instead we should don bib overalls and work gloves because there's work to do. Great interview! Pearson Moore 2023
@petercollins78488 ай бұрын
Genesis is about sin and the Fall, and this affects everyone since Adam. All the stuff you talk about might be very clever, but if it misses that point it is worthless. We are personally sinners, and we need a personal salvation to escape its consequences, which is separation from God for ever! N.T Wright has got himself so confused with his own cleverness that he has wandered off the true and narrow way, and sadly is leading others that way too.
@AncientNovelist8 ай бұрын
Hi @@petercollins7848 Thank you for your kind response. I hope my commentary will not be clever, but that it will find a way to shed light on ideas forsaken and abandoned over the last 300 years. As for Prof. Wright, I find nothing confusing in his writings or here in his interview with Christianity Today. I find nothing clever or misleading or self-serving in any of his works. Peace be with you.
@petercollins78488 ай бұрын
@@AncientNovelist Sadly, if you don’t see anything wrong with N.T Wright it means that you have wandered down the same wrong road that he has. Wright has befuddled himself with his academic cleverness, and seeks to lead others astray. There are no ideas ‘forsaken and abandoned for over 300 years’, it is a delusion based on a sense of academic superiority and pride. None of us like to think of ourselves as desperate sinners, but that is what we are and our only hope is Jesus. The hymn-writer was absolutely correct when he penned ‘ Nothing in my hand I bring, simply to Thy cross I cling; Naked come to Thee for dress; Helpless, look to Thee for grace; Foul, I to the fountain fly; Wash me, Saviour, or I die’. (Rock of Ages). There are no ‘good people, in spite of our self delusion and the false gospel and deception propagated by most religious ministers, telling people that after death they will ‘go to heaven’, when in fact those who are not united to Christ by faith will go to a lost eternity! Academic prowess and knowledge is a valuable thing, but unless united to a living and saving faith, it is worthless.
@AncientNovelist8 ай бұрын
Hi @@petercollins7848 Peace and all things good. Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response. I hope you might forgive my ignorance, but I am not acquainted with your position regarding the writings/teachings of Dr. Wright. I don't know what the 'wrong road' is. All I can tell from your posts is that you disagree with Dr. Wright, but I don't know what the nexus of disagreement is. I don't find anywhere in Wright a rejection of the Christ, nor do I find anywhere in his writings a rejection of the truth that all persons have sinned against each other, against God's Creation, against God. I suppose at some point we all disagree with each other. I don't agree with Wright, or anyone else for that matter, on every single issue of theology or faith or practical living. Perhaps rather than enjoying the broad common ground I share with theologians of varied and even extreme assertion, I ought instead insist on my own interpretation of particulars and noisily reject anyone who does not share my viewpoint. Perhaps along this road is progress made in our understanding of Scripture. I tend to doubt this. I tend to believe we are better served by friendly collaboration, by common worship, by warm fellowship. We don't tear down, we build up. When I cite papers and publications in my own work, I do so with the acknowledgment of the the papers' positive impact on my thought. I am no New Testament expert. If your beef with Dr. Wright concerns esoterica around fine points of Gospel or Pauline themes, I'm not your best debate partner. My expertise is purification process design for isolation of API secondary metabolites from plant matter and chromatographic analysis of API and impurity behavior--that is to say, I am an R&D chemist with a quite narrow expertise. I dabble in exegesis. I take the time to write The Emerald Hexameron because I find no published work supporting my understanding of what I have long considered true, that to call ourselves Homo sapiens and to insist that therefore wisdom and rational thought are the capabilities and potentials most closely aligned with the Divine nature and can be understood as the predominant characteristic of our identity as the Imago Dei cannot be correct. To my mind, this is nothing more than Enlightenment-era drivel. The Imago Dei reflects the Creator, and must therefore be a builder. We build up each other. We build up God's world. That is our purpose. Genesis details the way in which we can become faithful servant-builders. Peace be with you.
@asmith12308 ай бұрын
@@petercollins7848We love the reformers because they questioned the status quo of their day by going back to the Bible and reading it afresh... Though we love them for it, we have little patience for those who do the same today.
@yardlimit86957 ай бұрын
so just what is the most misunderstood verse,,,,,,,,where did i miss it......
@leenieledejo68497 ай бұрын
Yep, it's click-bait i.e manipulation. I can't think of anything more worldly and less CHRISTian.
@interessantetijden7 ай бұрын
I'd love to hear NT Wrights comment on Romans 13:4 (Dutch Statenbible) about State Authority being God's servant working for our good. In Dutch history this verse has been used by theologians to condemn every action against government authority, even under nazi-occupation...How does this verse relate to the idea of 'good people disobey bad laws', because the whole Reformation would not have happened if Luther had just sat there and obeyed government authority of that day, quoting Romans 13:4...
@charlespackwood20554 сағат бұрын
Jude 1:20-21 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, KEEPING YOURSELVES in the love of God, looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. Romans 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Taken together, these scriptures suggest that: 1. If you Abide In Christ you will have access to the love of God. 2. Nothing external can remove you from the love of God, should you choose to remain in Him. 3. All the promises of God are 'Yes' and 'Amen' to those find themselves "IN HIM". 4. I John 3:24 The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He remains in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 5. I John 4:16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.
@jimgrant17767 ай бұрын
N. T. Wright, I am just one of your many admirers. - - - Thanks for all you have done for Christianity and the people of the world. After being a Christian for 75 years, I am still troubled by two points most Christians seem to believe. On one hand, Jesus has forgiven our sins and is our savior. On the other hand, a person can't get into Heaven without believing in Jesus. These points are at least inconsistent, if not outright contradictory. I believe that God's love for us is unlimited and unconditional. Indeed, 1 Timothy 4:10 says, "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe." It says "specially". It doesn't say "only" those who believe or "only" those who repent. In my mind, any judgement that we may have to endure after we die will go something like this: Jesus meets us, throws his arm around our shoulders, and says, "You could have done better, but welcome to Heaven." N. T. Wright and Russel Moore - Could you please share your thoughts on this?
@petercollins78487 ай бұрын
How do people who have no time for God or Jesus get to go to heaven? They hated worshipping and praising God when they were alive, why should we expect that they go to be with God after death - they would hate it! People who do not love and trust in Jesus Christ go to a lost eternity and are in eternal misery. People need to repent and seek God’s forgiveness.
@jimgrant17767 ай бұрын
Supposed soon after we die, we each meet God/Jesus. We recognize who he is and we are overwhelmed by his love. Who in that situation is going to say, "Thanks, but no thanks!" - - - Everyone, including you and I, need to be careful about speculating what happens after we die. @@petercollins7848
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
Your second paragraph makes absolutely no sense in light of what the New Testament teaches us. The Bible never says that all peoples' sins were forgiven. Go back and re-read and find out where you went off the track - big time! Or you are purposely making the Bible to say something it is NOT saying. I didn't read the rest of your comment because you are way off the track as far as what you are being told by the Bible.
@jimgrant17767 ай бұрын
Jesus says these exact words in my New American Standard version in Mark 3 vs 28..... "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter." He was addressing the Pharisees. Yet they rejected the Holy Spirit's leading. So they "willfully chose to not believe in Christ. So in that condition they remained without forgiveness for their transgressions. In John 3:17 and 18 he says He did not come to judge, but to save. We are already forgiven! When we place our faith in Jesus, we are accepting that he has already taken on our sins/punishment. BUT, if we reject His provision, we must face the full penalty for our sins. In Mark 16 vs 16 Jesus states He who has believed and has been baptised ( means changed by the Holy Spirit) shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. All through John chapters 8,9,10 he speaks of this. He states that He is the Good Shepherd and that His sheep know Him and will enter the narrow gate to heaven. The Holy Spirit is God's messenger, and spreads the Gospel to all men.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
@@jimgrant1776 They're are no verses that say that all sins ARE forgiven. None. There are verses they say something to the effect of sins MIGHT be forgiven. Jesus states that MANY will not make it. And we do not know what "many" means. Does it mean 10%, 33% or 50%? No one knows. Is He waffling on the question of the forgiveness of sin? I don't think so. And you have to know what He meant by the "sons of men" because obviously He does not just say "all sins are forgiven" and leave it at that. Otherwise, Mark 3:28 would be saying, Yes my son, your sings are forgiven, now go to hell! The subject of the verse and context of that verse and with all the verses that talk about forgiveness of sin must be taken into account. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unpardonable sin. It is never defined in the Bible. The closest I have come across is the penalty for denying Christ during the tribulation period when a person is to be beheaded if they don't deny Christ. The reward is great, the penalty is the worse imaginable. Is that blasheny against the Holy Spirit? Maybe. But the Bible doesn't say that.
@debbieoohlalace2987 ай бұрын
When we consider that God sent Himself to be made man and to die for our sins, what does the verse "my God my God why have You foresaken me?" mean?
@seanhenry62166 ай бұрын
Jesus was quoting the first few words like a reference to the whole psalm. Ki d of like a rabbinic shortcut so people there hear it and think about the whole passage as the context for what they were actually witnessing. All of the Jewish people watching would be so used to this idea and method it would be intuitive.
@davidcrane65937 ай бұрын
But you would never understand the incredible love HE has for us if you didnt realize that it was YOUR/OUR sins... not HIS sins that HE bore on the cross if you arent made aware of the penalty of sin being death of the soul.
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
One of the few comments here I tend to agree with, more in line with the Bible.
@spartakos31787 ай бұрын
As finite beings trying to comprehend an infinite God, I wonder if we're always simply going to be unbalanced in our perspective. I see where I comes from, but I also think you are spot on with your critique.
@tedclemens40938 ай бұрын
I agree it isn't that God is condemning Jesus. But y'all make "sin" to be too mysterious. A swirling "dark force?" Let's be real. Where and when was sin identified? What is it? Exactly what was the sin Paul is talking about being condemned in Christ? Then how was it condemned? (Hint: It's all played out in the biblical story.)
@purpose81417 ай бұрын
Psalms are good to read to practice prayer.
@dorothyfrench27887 ай бұрын
so good.
@annettebaskerville7069Ай бұрын
I don't like Wrights goat and flea analogy. In it the goat alleviates his own discomfort by cleverly ridding himself of fleas. But this minimizes the horror of the cross that Jesus could not avoid. He had to suffer the full torment of his "fleas" until He was proven righteous.
@anncawthon91833 ай бұрын
How do I know it is true? Because he lives in my heart! I think this is what Dr. Wright is saying in elaborate words.
@christopheryetzer6 ай бұрын
What's up with the lamps? Just curious. They seem to have been on purpose made to be crooked.
@cord11ful4 ай бұрын
Haha, I was wondering that too!
@MaxExpatr3 ай бұрын
The main thing for Christians need to realize is THEY ARE GOING TO HEAVEN. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit have guaranteed it.
@ministerboggs7 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this man!
@bobreese48077 ай бұрын
In Christianity , the most misunderstood/controversial doctrine is validity of the SABBATH COMMANDMENT!
@edwardwalsh54777 ай бұрын
Depends upon which Christian sect to which you subscribe. Seventh day Adventist, Baptist or Reform or ... MANY passages are misunderstood but with different consequences some causing loss of reward for redeemed, reborn persons but others with eternal fatal (eternal death) consequences for natural-born only persons. Many ways to be wrong and just one way to be right. But fortunately, not every truth is a soteriological one. Example, of the several "Parables of the Kingdom", two consistently mistaken "explanations" - have the current salvation process being dependent upon contributions by the individual while St. Paul insists that NOTHING of their salvation may be improved upon or dependent upon ANY contribution by the candidate for redemption. These views are contradictory. St. Paul warns that salvation is either wholly God's work or not. Thus, ANY attempt to help God with that process causes loss of God's grace and reverts wholly to salvation by law keeping - never successful. Persistent preaching from the Gospels perpetuates that conflict, successfully keeping divine redemption out of the lives of hearers of these misleading preachers.
@stevea25887 ай бұрын
Why is the Sabbath Command misunderstood/controversial? It's part of the Ten Commandments! That alone settles it! What? Do you believe and follow MAN'S TRADITIONS over God's Command?
@edwardwalsh54777 ай бұрын
I would have expected you to know that the Biblical truth does not end with Matthew, Mark or Luke. You may change your mind if you read the relevant portions for yourself. Even in the OT, God spoke of the Sabbath as a mark of the relationship between Israel and Himself, not a worldwide policy. Even Jesus did not observe the sabbath - a BIG issue with the hard-nosed legalists of His day. St. Paul (recipient of the most recent directions from God) directed that Sabbath-keeping not enter into believers' current rules of conduct. Youve fallen into the trap that even ministers of "the Gospel" have fallen, to read a partial truth and grasp that so tichtly that you cannot release it when a new directiove comes to mankind - even when that comes via His Son Jesus. "ye have heard it said ... but I say unto you ...", a clear mark of changed guide for his Jewish listeners that was completed upon His murder and replaced with the Gospel of Grace of God. Keep reading and keep learning.@@stevea2588
@bobreese48077 ай бұрын
@@edwardwalsh5477 2 PET 3:16
@sassybob91377 ай бұрын
Wonderful interview… so glad CT has you, Russel Moore, to help bring a fresh look to Christianity.
@user-tr6hk6zd2b3 ай бұрын
P.P.S.: I support Christianity. --I am Jewish: My co- host was with Campus Crusades ( now : CRU) for years. Jacob Farrar. **
@frankthong2 ай бұрын
[Spoiler Alert] The answer to the last question (how do you know it’s true?) says it all - Because Jesus is raised from the dead. Adding on with CS Lewis' quote 'I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not because I can see it clearly but by its light, I can see everything else’. Putting the resurrection of Jesus in the middle of the worldview picture, everything in the world makes sense. Amen.
@pastorofmuppets88348 ай бұрын
Thank you for finally having a video that is not forcing Israeli propaganda
@HearGodsWord8 ай бұрын
None of their videos do 😂
@pastorofmuppets88348 ай бұрын
@@HearGodsWord looks like you don't watch many of them 😂
@domingomelchor49023 ай бұрын
The very statement that is “the most misunderstood bible verse” is the sign that people shall not rely on the bible alone to understand the bible. What if you come upon one verse that your finite mind cannot understand? What do you do? Do you ask NT Wright? But😮 NT Wright himself says, this is the most misunderstood verse. Would you trust him of his understanding? Why does he understands and you don’t?
@robertbrown74707 ай бұрын
If you try to become the image bearer of God, the first thing you are going to find out is that All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I hope I quoted that right. Did God stutter? Ah, the modern seminarians and their influence above God and the Bible. If you don't understand that, you delude yourself. It's kind of like the prevalent teaching, that has been out there for decades (at least since Hef and Playboy), is that YOU don't have to worry, your sins have been paid for so go out and have some fun husbands and wives and those that aren't married. It's all good!
@SacredBook8 ай бұрын
A wonderful dialogue, as one would expect.
@Blycker7 ай бұрын
Wait...so Jesus sending Mary on an errand is supposed to invalidate Jesus' message to the church about women in ministry and their roles in marriage in the New Testament? Do you hear yourself? It is not hard to find PhDs who will tell you the Bible says what you want it to say. The question is, do you believe what the Bible says, even if it goes against your culture's current regardless of how strong the current?
@barbarakirksey2867 ай бұрын
How are you so sure your interpretation of the teachings is the correct one and not influenced by the framework you have been taught and bought into because it conforms to something in your heart besides what the Holy Spirit has placed there? Unless we let Him search our hearts and be our teacher, we can have lifelong errors when reading scripture and not understand what God is trying to teach us.
@BuildingHisHouse7 ай бұрын
Good point. However, I notice that you didn’t addressed the more difficult point he made, which is the female apostle Junia.
@michaelbrickley24437 ай бұрын
@@BuildingHisHousethere is no male name Junia. There is great teaching on this by Ken Bailey, Sandra Richter and Ben Witherington. Women are gifted to TEACH. The first evangelist was the Samaritan woman at the well. Mary was another Evangelist. You’re being made blind by your preconceived notions.
@BuildingHisHouse7 ай бұрын
@@michaelbrickley2443 wow. How did you know that I am blind, having never met me? You must have supernatural discernment. Surely you are a guide to the blind. I was wrong. I will instantly change my views for your gift of knowledge, love and respect have so convinced me of the error of my ways. :). Incidentally, my response was meant for @Blycker, not, apparently, who you think it was for. I am actually in full agreement with you, though your response will definitely cause me to reconsider.
@Blycker7 ай бұрын
@@BuildingHisHouse One of the helpful hermeneutics principles I was taught which can be helpful here is not to use a single difficult passage to reframe established doctrine. The mention of Junias in Rom. 16 doesn't change the teaching of Scripture.
@Virginia.Espinosa6 ай бұрын
Thank you. Will listen to it again
@gregrice13547 ай бұрын
Anyone still monitoring questions on this video page? Does N.T. Wright have any home or work on returning to God's plans and explicit set times/Feast Days for clarifying view across all Scripture? While God never ordained Easter, He clearly established Pesach/Passover. (This is one clearly visible part of the immense iceberg of distortions of Scripture, doctrine and practice that remains the Roman Catholic church. - How do Catholics "calculate" the day to celebrate Jesus' resurrection? How is designated, clearly, in Scripture?) This only one key example of this continuing problem in Evangelism and doctrine and assumptions and ignorance of Christianity. The historic, continuing failure of both Protestantism (and the latest count of some 20,000 denominations) and Catholicism (with its 1 or 2 major branches) all have failed to coherently, respectfully return to the invaluable Hebrew roots, of language, culture and Scriptural interpretation, and to accept and teach the Jewisvhness eternally, of the Messiah Yeshua/Jesus.
@Amerikaner19744 ай бұрын
Hebrew roots is for larpers
@P.H.8884 ай бұрын
You Must have missed St Paul’s memo To The Galatians…? Or The Gospel according to Prophet Jeremiah 600BC 31 v 31-34 New covenant promised 32 NOT LIKE SINAI 🪦🪦 33 Indwelling ~ Acts 2… 34 No Sin‼️ ✝️🩸🕊️ John 3v3 ~ 6 v 29. 70AD temple destroyed. Rev 21 v 22… John 2 v 19.. hallelujah
@bearios89618 ай бұрын
I'm so glad you invited him!!
@arliegage13803 ай бұрын
Ecclesiastes 12:7🎉 "Then shall the Dust return to the earth as it was: and the Spirit return unto God who gave it"..... We were God's, are God's and will Remain God's 🎉
@CanadianAnglican3 ай бұрын
I’ve heard great things about N.T. Wright.
@graceline4 ай бұрын
I do not see anything about covenant in Romans 5:17
@chavak34978 ай бұрын
listening to NTWright is like trying to find your way through a maze....
@jaylinn4168 ай бұрын
That is precisely why his impact is very limited.
@asmith12308 ай бұрын
Regarding impact, he has probably impacted more discussions in seminaries and Bible schools than any other schooler in the past 50 years... So whike you may not get him or see him, either your pastor or your pastor's teachers have been influenced by his thinking.
@paulwells43727 ай бұрын
@@asmith1230 If my pastor was influenced by NT Wrong he wouldn’t be a very trustworthy pastor, NT is trying to change the true Gospel message and that is heresy at best! If you don’t believe me just Google it, there are some very reliable people who will back my claim.
@Jim32W7 ай бұрын
Yep
@sueoconnor127 ай бұрын
I have no problem following his logic and exposition. I appreciate his understanding of scripture and “ the whole covenant plan”