Christopher Hitchens On Socialism

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Christopher Hitchens On Socialism

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Ben Burgis (@BenBurgis) author of Christopher Hitchens: What He Got Right, How He Went Wrong, And Why He Still Matters joined Matt and David to talk about Hitchens' version of socialism and what that meant for his later departure.
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@jameslabs1 2 жыл бұрын

He would have been very entertaining to hear over the past year. Thanks

@JadeHarleyCoffeeMug 2 жыл бұрын

best thing hitchens did was ask to be waterboarded and ask "how bad can it be?"

@RandomNarwhal 3 ай бұрын

And he later confirmed that it was torture

@Theactivepsychos 2 жыл бұрын

This is why you don’t pigeon hole others or yourself as left or right because sooner or later you’re gonna be condemned as not being left enough. We’re all spectrums of ideas and opinions that should only be discussed on its merits and not on its position on the political spectrum.

@Redactedlllllllllllll 2 жыл бұрын

That's just being in denial. Just because I might be a basic nationalist and someone else is an actual Nazi doesn't mean anything. So what if they don't agree an everything, they work together politically.

@Theactivepsychos 2 жыл бұрын

@@Redactedlllllllllllll almost exactly my point.

@skyteus 3 ай бұрын

I mean, this doesn't have to follow. There's always going to be "holier-than-thou" people around. I say, call yourself what you are.

@Theactivepsychos 3 ай бұрын

@@skyteus and what do you call yourself if you’re right on some topics and left on others?

@latenightlogic Ай бұрын

Pure nonsense. The left is good and any direction you head in the right is simply less good.

@matthewrousseau2982 11 ай бұрын

He was a cooperate socialist. He loved the free market

@nameless4937 2 жыл бұрын

Not a leftist without Hitch. Appreciate the context 🤘

@herethere2091 2 жыл бұрын

It’s interesting to think that religion is direct;y opposed to a classless, fair society cuz zealots just say god intended it the way it is

@TruthDissident 9 ай бұрын

Marx like many religious zealots has a overarching view of history. This is the ironic thing within his worldview.

@MarkbyMarkAFosterPhD 2 жыл бұрын

Hitchens was a Cliffite (Tony Cliff).

@kildogery 2 жыл бұрын

More like Tony Clifton.

@jcleaverchamberlinjr 10 ай бұрын

Yep, he was initially a subscriber to Cliff’s brand of Trotskyism and a member of the SWP (or International Socialists as it was known at the time) and was friends with Alex Callinicos at Balliol, who is to this day a major name in the SWP. Callinicos even wrote an obituary for Hitchens on Socialist Worker’s website.

@MadJackChurchill1312 2 жыл бұрын

Standard Trot trajectory: Nitpick nitpick icepick ah fuck it I’m a neoconservative now.

@missmiss8359 Жыл бұрын

We got ourselves a tankie lol ! The disastrous atrocities of the USSR wher not minor faults unless of course you consider deporting(genocide) entire ethnic groups and replacing them with russian settlers/purging comrades and intellectuals belonging to eathnic minorities for daring to promote the right of selfe determination for their people...ext to be minor faults .

@NumeroSystem 2 жыл бұрын

I'm on board except for the "no god" part. I don't think it matters if someone believes in some form of creation or not.

@williammcadoo8685 2 жыл бұрын

If your believing in a progressive or moderate version of faith , sure otherwise no .

@NumeroSystem 2 жыл бұрын

Alright.

@kc2086 2 жыл бұрын

How someone thinks the universe came to be is not terribly relevant to this, agreed. To me, the deal-breaker is believing that this physical world is just a shadow of some deeper spiritual realm, be it Heaven/Hell or whatever else. It tends to go along with the idea that this world is MEANT to be a fucked up place and that trying to fix it is foolhardy. "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions", that idea. Believing that there's something better beyond death is probably the only thing making life tolerable for millions of people... all the more reason to try and improve society, I'd say.

@sullen2420 2 жыл бұрын

You're not remembering what harm the evangelical movement in this country has done. They are our fascists, and they need to be stopped.

@SCS-1964 2 жыл бұрын

Flat earth creator gods, virgin birth saviors, flying angels, flying demons, flying jinn's, flying genies, flying cherubs with flaming swords, flying fire breathing dragons, flying horse chariots, flying pegasus's, flying horses, flying goats, flying elephants, flying buraq's, talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking ants, sticks that could part seas, giant humans, mammals getting out of graves AKA walking dead DO NOT EXIST and never did. The sun and moon are not being pulled around the hindu flat earth by a flying seven horse chariot..SMH All fables, myths and fairy tales from dead middle east men's imaginations 2 thousand to 3 thousand years ago, no different than today's movies. Cheers

@timfrye3586 2 жыл бұрын

Love the 1980's Christopher! He proves that a great mind well used, produces socialist thought. And a great thirst well quenched, ends up producing a bigot.

@DerStammtischphilosoph 2 жыл бұрын

If you think that developing socialist thoughts is a necessary condition of having a great mind, then you have nothing in common with Christopher Hitchens.

@timfrye3586 2 жыл бұрын

@@DerStammtischphilosoph not at all what I said, reread the premise I laid out and have your hypothetical Hitchens respond to that, not your curious reinterpretation

@matthewgabbard6415 Жыл бұрын

Isn’t it a bit sad that anyone who dares call out a psychotic, fundamentalist sect of a religion is deemed a racist. I guess Rushdie is one as well. Hitchens was never even a right winger, he just wanted a democracy in the Middle East by any means necessary. You really should know that much at least

@missmiss8359 Жыл бұрын

In what way was Hitchens a bigot ?

@synlion 10 ай бұрын

Same question: How was he a bigot?

@matthewgabbard6415 Жыл бұрын

Not a Communist, a Left Socialist Trotskyist. Communist was Moscow party line. Since it fell this generation who grew up without it doesn’t remember the leftist opposition to it

@brad1928 5 ай бұрын

Hitchens final words on his death bed were, “capitalism. downfall.” I wouldn’t be so quick to condemn the late Hitchens just because his foreign policy opinion was not in alignment with the left. He was still an independent thinker and had his qualms with capitalism.