Christopher "Kit" Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright, friend of William Shakespeare, and a gay atheist spy. Let's talk about that Patreon: / fandommusings
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@ashestoashes785 жыл бұрын
Time Traveler from 2022: Are you gay? Marlowe: No, my boyfriend has fallen ill, and Shakespeare’s play did better than mine, how could I be gay? 😠
@royalvalkyrie7 жыл бұрын
*is here because of Will* xD
@mad-eb8gv7 жыл бұрын
sameeee i ship them so bad.
@spookisghostly46196 жыл бұрын
Shipped
@karolinakuc82906 жыл бұрын
royalvalkyrie I think they are the same person
@emmamartirosyan58065 жыл бұрын
Karolina Kuc too smart to be true
@angelicagufi57905 жыл бұрын
Shiiiip
@spaceland-fae52645 жыл бұрын
Spy or Sugar Baby that's the question
@howdylanky6 жыл бұрын
why do we ship histotical figures like, its not even just them, tHERES MORE
@isabelahugue8495 жыл бұрын
Like who?
@imme2465 жыл бұрын
@@isabelahugue849 Henry and Anne for example
@wanneo.32355 жыл бұрын
Like Alexander Hamilton and John Laurens
@marsupius5 жыл бұрын
Because it's hot. Also, we want to mitigate the negative affects of historians spending so much time and energy over the centuries trying to convince us that all historical figures are straight.
@davidcross98114 жыл бұрын
Edward II and Piers Gaveston Frederick II and Katte James I and George Villiers.
@digitalbrentable7 жыл бұрын
I do hope you're harvesting all the salt these videos generate. Great video, as usual. Also, totally would watch a gay Shakespeare in Love featuring Marlowe instead of whoever Gwyneth Paltrow was. You could have Marlowe's spy plotline, Shakespeare and Marlowe as rivals/collaborates, friends then lovers. Shakespeare is more professional, not as overtly gay, and a better writer. Marlowe is turbulent, intense, rash, and passionate. The pressures and intrigues of Marlowe's second life come crashing down shortly after Shakespeare resolve their will-they-won't-they drama, resulting in Marlowe's murder. It's a personal tragedy for Shakespeare, that is implied to have made him yet better at writing it. Would be a great watch.
@fandommusings53027 жыл бұрын
B.K. Laughton love it! My only change would be that marlowe was absolutely the better writer while they knew each other. That early in his career, shakespeare was still trying to be an actor AND writer, and he didnt really hit his best work until after marlowe had died.
@digitalbrentable7 жыл бұрын
Oh cool, did not know that their skill trajectories lined up like that, though as a long-time fan of Dr. Faustus I can definitely see what you mean with regard to Shakespeare's earlier work - just never matched up the dates. I actually directed a small volunteer production of Dr Faustus years ago. Fantastic text, layers of irony. "Terminat hora diem, terminat auctor opus" has got to be my favourite line from any play, ever: layers of irony in that one. Anyhow, Shakespeare as the timid, less accomplished of the two works even better with Marlowe as the flamboyant, unstable, tragic genius. Plus I can't even imagine the volumes of delicious outrage at the implication that Shakespeare's dead gay fling helped make him the master he came to be.
@ladydark6236 жыл бұрын
B.K. Laughton I love Marlowe he was perfect,
@cacyc32276 жыл бұрын
B.K. Laughton were they actually lovers?
@faithsheppard8864 жыл бұрын
Love how your humour makes learning about history interesting, thank you for making this!
@alyssafleischer84496 жыл бұрын
I haven't read much Marlowe and I'd actually never heard about a lot of this before, but I can definitely buy him being attracted to men. I was in a Renaissance class recently and actually did my final paper on how the relationship between Faustus and Mephistopheles is framed as an unhappy marriage. (Barely related, but I just love the idea of playing Faustus as a tragic love story between him and Mephistopheles rather than a straight-up morality play?)
@ladydark6236 жыл бұрын
Marlowe was the Jim Morrison of his day
@kengisamasempisankun7 жыл бұрын
Once again, absolutely brill! keep up the good work FF :D
@LOCKEYJ4 жыл бұрын
He is a definite collaborator of Shakespeare Definitely sexually open but not gay in the way we think of that term today. Those lines are modern drawn. However, I guess what’s important is that he certainly wasn’t ‘straight’ and celebrated homerotic love. In that sense, if his example helps people in their understanding of their sexuality then the ‘marlowe was gay’ narrative is broadly part of a good thing. Even if not literally accurate. I’d rather we celebrate his complex sexuality as and have him as a gay icon than get bogged down in being precise Certainly not an atheist, his work and activities in service to the crown show this. He was however - like with his sexuality - spiritually non-conforming and incredibly critical of religious power structures. The specific accusations of atheism were dubious at best, and the list of thought crimes particularly without merit.
@11jokerchen117 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video, I had just studied a bit of Marlowe's life and works for uni and was intrigued by it and your video is the answer to all my curiosities! And I also started watching Will because of you and am very happy about it! I'd love it if you continued making videos like this about historical/literary figures that are believed to have been lgbt by today's ideas (and that people often don't know about).
@Draconicrose7 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know who this guy was. Seems pretty convincing evidence to me!
@-somatryoshka6 жыл бұрын
So Marlow is most likely gay and he probably inspired Mercutio... No wonder I connected with the character so much when I played him
@YeomanLocksly3 жыл бұрын
As for keeping Marlowe's portrait for to long, scholars are not even certain that the portrait is in fact Marlowe.
@PaulSinghSelhi-VFX-TUTORIALS4 ай бұрын
Special Effects Horror ? Can you imagine Dr Faustus being played to an illiterate Elizabethan audience ..the demonic stage set...the gunpowder flash and a real demon appears on stage and torments a well drunk audience. It must have been mayhem !! Bit like a Frankie Boyle gig.
@timmyman19975 жыл бұрын
He didn't exactly hide the people he decided to bonk in the bum way
@jamiee73674 жыл бұрын
Along with the Idea that Marlowe was the inspiration for the characterization of Mercutio in _Romeo & Juliet,_ I've seen another theory that Marlowe was also the inspiration behind Jaques in _As You Like It._
@boogiesmell51812 ай бұрын
His murder was sanctioned by the Queen. There can be little doubt about this. It's deeply sad how such an illustrious, intelligent, educated, outspoken and conflicted poet would die such a violent and early death. He was ahead of his time 😢 F
@spookisghostly46196 жыл бұрын
Well by that logic I am no fool
@Stephen-Fox7 жыл бұрын
More historic figure than author, though she was an opera singer at least so there is something of a connection to your usual fare, but maybe the swordswoman and opera singer Julie d'Aubigny, who once rescued her lover from a nunnery, covering the escape with an act of arson, for future topics?
@EugeneXar7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Got to get me some Marlowe! Already a fan of Shakespeare. Thank you for the hot tip. Best wishes.
@JeanHurley2 ай бұрын
Some scholars say that the portrait is not Marlowe, but Robert Greene.
@boogiesmell51812 ай бұрын
I hope not, as Greene was one of the most vocal and shameless critics of his peers and doesn't seem like he was a very pleasant person at all. He played his part in the downfall and undoing of Marlowe. I hate the idea that his face would now be generally known as the face of Kit Marlowe... no I don't buy into this at all, not without credible proof, which we will never have (either way).
@boogiesmell51812 ай бұрын
I looked into this, and it's 100% not a portrait of Robert Greene. Don't know who told you it was even a possibility. The portrait was discovered in 1953 at Corpus Christi University in Canterbury, which Marlowe had attended. Marlowe was a student there from 1580-87. The painting carries an inscription which suggests the sitter is 21, and that the year was 1585. Marlowe was born 1564. Greene was born 1558. Case closed.
@ladydark6236 жыл бұрын
Only Marlowe would know if he was gay or not.
@fandommusings53026 жыл бұрын
I mean, that's true of all people. But we are going speculating given the evidence we have.
@jonsnor43135 жыл бұрын
Was he happy?
@drearperry87275 жыл бұрын
He's an Aquarius... nuff said
@user-bj8wb1rb7q6 жыл бұрын
you sound like my history teacher
@cacyc32276 жыл бұрын
I love Dr Faustus I just ordered it.
@positrondecay47845 жыл бұрын
0:21 ...in a barfight.
@christianskinner89445 жыл бұрын
Great video! But all this information isn't very helpful if you don't post any of your sources.
@eartianwerewolf6 жыл бұрын
Yeah friendships between men had a romantic aspect to them too so it makes it tricky (men could kind of 'court' each other ) . Like you could be closer to your male friend than you could ever be to your wife....we have kind of spun that around and now husband and wife are at the top of the intimacy chart.
@bruhgurl96215 жыл бұрын
everytime i read faust i feel the gay between mephsto and faust its my ship ..
@sirusfan88905 жыл бұрын
Marlowes Faust or Goethes Faust?
@bruhgurl96215 жыл бұрын
@@sirusfan8890 both of them lmao
@sirusfan88905 жыл бұрын
Okay You know the German Version?
@bruhgurl96215 жыл бұрын
@@sirusfan8890 yeah i've read it
@bruhgurl96215 жыл бұрын
@@sirusfan8890 although i like marlowe's version better
@erikkr.r.m73803 жыл бұрын
So basically if someone never Maries and critizided a religious order of england at the time is a gay atheist?
@jinnieshyun5 жыл бұрын
i totally ship *Willstopher*
@hyhyhyhyhy16293 жыл бұрын
Hey blink
@jinnieshyun3 жыл бұрын
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@liminal_spice17125 жыл бұрын
Can you make an lgbtq literature/anime and analysis related playlist please? Thanks...
@samuel56551 Жыл бұрын
Supergay? Is he like Superman ?
@Ranginthetrap6 жыл бұрын
Give me this channel because you not posting and I want to keep it going
@StefanTravis5 жыл бұрын
How can someone be a heretic _and_ an atheist?
@tracik12775 жыл бұрын
Stefan Travis both terms meant essentially the same thing back in the day
@StefanTravis5 жыл бұрын
@@tracik1277 Actually, no. Many years ago as a theology student, I wanted to know whether atheism was classified a heresy. Answer: You need to be _inside_ the church, and a professing believer, to be a heretic. Thus professing atheists can't be heretics.
@planettyler45824 жыл бұрын
I love your videos on Miyazaki’s films as you have a great insight into them but seriously? Was Christopher Marlowe gay? What difference does it make if he was or wasn’t? If gender equality is what we’re striving for it shouldn’t matter at all.
@dyerwantsumgas6 жыл бұрын
He was Shakespere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@sirusfan88905 жыл бұрын
I think so too.
@jamiee73674 жыл бұрын
I'm not entirely convinced
@SoulAmatus6 жыл бұрын
I’m here from will lol 😝
@AmjadAli-qk3vc4 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly Marlow was gay
@catsuki55543 жыл бұрын
oh marlow definitely was gay and no one can convince me otherwise.
@positrondecay47845 жыл бұрын
He was totally bi.
@daver85216 жыл бұрын
A spy? Certainly. Gay? Almost certainly no. There is nothing in Marlowe's writings that would believe anyone to believe he was gay. Or an atheist. In fact, there is much that indicates the opposite. We do not know if he ever married, or if he had relations with anyone - male or female. I can only think that you have never read Marlowe. As far as "Hero and Leander" goes, you can't write a play or poem based on Greek myth without some homoerotic content - that doesn't reflect on the author. Why don't you quote the passage where Poseidon attempts to seduce Leander: Leander made reply,: "You are deceived; I am no woman, I." And Marlowe certainly shows no sympathy to Edward II in his play. You are just repeating what you have read in some silly master's thesis.
@markw-s57345 жыл бұрын
daver8521 I would say you’ve got it turned around. There’s more evidence of him being gay and an atheist than there is of him being a spy.
@timmyman19975 жыл бұрын
He was going to be executed for being an atheist. All evid3nce we have of the man leads one to presume he is gay. Every academic i have met who have studied early-modern writers have said that we can presume he was an atheist, assume he was gay and that he may have been a spy.
@John_Greek5 жыл бұрын
He was killed because he was Catholic. In the Protestant days if you were secretly Catholic you were an ‘atheist’. Look it up. Everything daver says is correct