Is It Affordable to us in third world countries....?!

@@isaacsitiakalaabwenje we’re in South Africa and we installed our Allen & Heath SQ6 this week. It’s better than anything you can find in the same price range. We paid ZAR99,500 for the desk + 24 channel digital snake. It’s the best investment we’ve made in the church so far.

⁠@@isaacsitiakalaabwenje SQ-5 packs a lot of channels and features into a compact sub $5K mixer

they do seem a bit behringer biased tbh

@@Epicdude012 they do a great job with what they do but yes they are but good job with this one

We installed our SQ6 this week as an upgrade from our old X32. It was like drinking clean spring water after only being used to stagnant dirty water

Why not just have a dedicated Mac Studio and run native plugins? Is latency an issue?

@@aeiplanner Yes latency is an issue with hosting plugins on a computer natively. There are programs though like Live Professor that do it with lower latency, but it still depends on buffer rate and how much latency each plugin introduces. I’ve done it before and it’s pretty seamless, it can just get overwhelming; that’s why the Waves Soundgrid is nice to have!

Definitely miss the dedicated Capture software and instant board flip button from live to recorded inputs

Our church has had an Expression 2 for quite a few years now. Do I want a better console? Yeah probably. Does it have many bells and whistles compared to others today? Not really, it’s pretty bland to be honest. Does it break down or is it confusing to use? No, it’s solid as a rock, has never broken down, and a beginner can use it.

I reckon the Yamaha TF series is going to get more popular

why would you put out a false presentation with autotune.

Broadcast of house?

@BobJones-bh9qz we have 2 ql5 one for front of house one for broadcast. Both are free from the Dante network but this allows us independent mixed from FOH and BOH.

Exactly my point!!

We’ve been running an Avantis at church for 2 years now and I love it. I’d originally looked at the Wing because I like the workflow, but the Avantis has that flexibility but A&H quality. I can run 50 inputs with multiple DCAs in any order I want for a service then 1/2 hour later drag 3 mics, stereo Blutooth and a KZfaq input on to 5 faders that means our events manager is all set for a conference the next day without having to panic about which layer she needs to be on.

@@djc5463 it’s that flexibility that I’m in love with! It’s just hard to get a church to drop $15,000 on a mixer. I was surprised the church I was consulting at had one. I didn’t wanna leave it! 😂

I really want to get the midas m32r live but the problem is that I have learned two things. There is no support apparently if something happens and they have internal power issues. Don't want to setup a new system from analog just for it to fail.

@@lovefirst6157 what are you talking about? I've never seen Behringer or Midas be anything but supportive. And what kind of internal power issues do you think these boards are going to have at this point? It's a very mature and stable platform - the bugs have long since been worked out.

@@DocNo27 I understand that but this is for my church not for me. It is already hard convincing them to upgrade from analog since they think everything is working fine. I don’t want a system that in case something happened, I could not get any support. I would be buying it from Sweetwater. Even though Allen and Heath is expensive, I have heard good things about their customer service.

@@lovefirst6157 I still don't understand why you think you won't be able to get support when Behringer/Midas has an excellent support record with these consoles. Whoever is telling you that is either grossly biased or mistaken. They have sold literally hundreds of thousands of these consoles - it's the must successful digital mixing platform of all time; it isn't even close. There are entire communities around these consoles - documentation, how to videos on KZfaq and because the consoles are open there are a plethora of add on utilities and integrations with them that make them incredibly powerful if you really want to geek out. Allen and Heath do make good consoles, but if you are making your decision solely around support concerns, you are going to spend a bunch of extra money unnecessarily. I'm not just idly pontificating about this either. I donated the M32 to my church - I paid for it. I wouldn't have bought it if I had such concerns. I've been following the X32 since before it was launched and the M32 wasn't even hinted at - Behringer had a few teething pains initially; but who doesn't. I understand 10 years ago people's skepticism about Behringer based on their reputation up until then, but they bought Midas. More importantly, they listened to the experienced Midas engineers and actually halted the development of the X32 production line and retooled it based on input from the Midas engineers. A lot of people have had to eat crow over the years about the X32/M32 because it was NOT the disaster they were all sure it was going to be. If you are buying from sweetwater talk to your rep. Ask them about M32 repair process. I'm genuinely curious to see what they are telling people these days. Then again they get a percentage of the sale and the more expensive.... not that I have ever had them do anything like that; just something to always keep in mind with anyone, though.

@@lovefirst6157 Your not going to pay more for just the console either, the whole ecosystem for A&H costs more too - read more comments in this video's comment section. And once again, there are far more tutorials, documentation, support communities around the X32/M32 platform than any other boards out there. It isn't even close. That was the extremely rude wake up call with my old church and the SI impact they got convinced to buy. There were very little third party discussions around it, turns out the guy that sold it to them wasn't any more familiar with it than the X32/M32, and as a digital board it's features - quite frankly - stank. And that's before Samsung bought Soundcraft and literally all development of the board stopped. I don't think A&H is going anywhere anytime soon but there are still a lot fewer users of their boards than the X32/M32.

We are also looking a upgrading from Analog to Digital, as much as I dislike the idea.. I personally am leaning towards the Studio live system for us. While it is a bigger footprint in the soundbooth, I find it would be beneficial for new and older users coming from Analog.

I think the biggest difference is the ability to completely customize the slider layout. no more skipping back and forth through the levels while you are trying to live mix. you can move whatever you want wherever you want. Routing is also much simpler

Yes to ☝🏼 I would also add that all 48 channels and 16 busses are stereo, which is awesome. Super nice to only use 1 buss send for a stereo IEM mix.

@@Jason_Robinson_Music YES! Everything being stereo is such a huge deal for us. We gained back a bunch of usable channels from this alone. Also, using a nice touchscreen to do fine adjustments feels like a game changer at this price point. I regularly mix on 3 different Wing consoles, and have found their UI to be quite intuitive once you use it for a short time.

It's stained glass.

That's a new Digico Quantum 852

@@putukasparinata You're right! Looked similar at first glance and I didn't realize they just released that!

However, Im sure it's no match for the Behringer Wing

Between my church and the school I work at, I have 3 different Wing consoles used multiple times a week, with the first one purchased in early 2021. I have had zero issues with all of them. I think they have figured out their early teething issues and so far, all three have been rock solid.

Behringer Wing. There are TONs of videos to help you too.

As far as I know (I'm a design engineer) they're all backordered.

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How long did you have the sq7?

I've been using Presonus since the first one came out like 12 years ago. Upgraded to the 32SC in 2020 and have had zero reliability issues with either in all this time.

We have an older rml32 ai and been using it for like 7 yrs now. It's been great with no issues.

I'm glad yall had good luck with them.

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TF series is pretty terrible, in my experience. It's good for volunteers until the board glitches and does unexplainable things where the volunteer wouldn't know what to do. I'd stay away, it wouldn't be my first pick, personally.

@@joellouisfire interesting, that’s a good excuse i never use tf console so good to know

@@joellouisfire Unfortunately, every brand can have a bad product every now and then. I've had nothing but good luck with the TF series. I've used multiple TF consoles, even owning one personally for a while, as well as installed them for customers before. Never had a single issue and they always did what they should and sounded great doing it.

The TF series is a good console. It's almost 8 years old, so keep that in mind when comparing to the Wing and other newer consoles. The issue is that it's not all that flexible in terms of routing signals. I've never seen a TF glitch or have issues outside of things going bad due to aging. It's not my first choice of console, especially with A&H options out there, but it's still a good console. Since Yamaha took a year off from manufacturing due to component availability, I'm wondering if they'll come out with another console in that range.

@Jeff F yeah, it's possible we have a bad apple. I haven't had very good things to say about the TF 5, but it could very well be our unit. I still feel bugs aside, it's a bit limiting of a console, like it has training wheels on and it's missing certain important features. Something as simple as a DeEsser would've been nice. Also, fader resolution is very low, but idk if that's just our unit. I just think at the price point, there are other consoles to consider. Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad console if we had a good unit, but it wouldn't be my first pick atm, in my personal experience.

There is the Powerplay P16-I distribution module. Lets you keep all your P16 IEM's but just use the outputs from a stage box or the console so you can choose whatever fits your needs better!

@@AJOrpheo As far as I knew you couldn't throw an Allen & Heath board at the p16s, is that actually possible? Are you talking about routing all the outputs with a stage box 1 to 1?

@@AndrewRaia You are correct. It cannot be digitally connected. The P16-I distribution uses individual TRS connections and then distributes those to your p16's. Obviously not as elegant but still an option if you want to go to SQ.

@@AJOrpheo Yea that is what I figured, not ideal but may a decent phased approach!

@@AndrewRaia Definitely less expensive then switching all p16s at once! lol

Save your money until you can get one. There are no pro options that I am aware of under $5k...you are paying for reliability and flexibility. If you ABSOLUTLY HAVE TO ND you don't need a lot of inputs, look at the Allen and Heath CQ- 18t. It's currently $1200 and has a lot of cool stuff built in. If you plan to grow, I would seriously just bite the bullet for a better console. Even an X32 is better than doing this for 3k in my opinion.

They just released an offline (desktop computer) editor.

@@alexdanton4842 That’s a step… I’m going to check it out.

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