David Robarge, chief historian for the CIA, examines the record of the CIA's work in Vietnam during the W&L Alumni College, "Vietnam: A Retrospective."
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@rosesprog17223 жыл бұрын
That war wasn't meant to be won or lost, it was only meant to last as long as possible, the rules of engagement clearly show that, wars are only profitable if they last.
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
You know NOTHING so shut the fuck up, Vietnam Vet telling you off loser. It is NOT COVERT, military does COVERT, Civilian Spook agencies do CLANDESTINE
@rosesprog17222 жыл бұрын
@@davidwadsworth8982 You have no idea what I know, and you are fkn aggressive so get lost will you, anyone can be a vet here.
@mijoizagas37472 жыл бұрын
@@davidwadsworth8982 whoa, sit ubu sit . . .
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
@@mijoizagas3747 I just wish you trols had the balls to use your real name. I served you chickenshit did not
@mijoizagas37472 жыл бұрын
@@davidwadsworth8982 easy man
@bapyou14 жыл бұрын
1:34 " ... success-induced optimism. The agency was on a roll in the early fifties. ... We had our own successes in Iran in '53; Guatemala in '54." If you call overthrowing a democracy a "success," then yeah, that's what it was. In both of these cases the result was the installation of a brutal dictatorship & decades of mass suffering. In the case of Iran, 26 years of the Shah & his CIA-trained secret police SAVAK torturing & murdering Iranian citizens led to 1979's Iranian Revolution.
@alexturlais85584 жыл бұрын
Yeah that is success. The CIA is a brutal organisation, who were looking to prop up another dictatorship in south Vietnam. Then they wonder why they failed...
@rudolphguarnacci1973 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Chile in '73.
@nicolagianaroli20243 жыл бұрын
The very sad part of the whole story is that USA had no interest at that time for a coup in Iran. It was UK who desperately needed it. UK attempted and failed and finally it convinced uncle Sam to do it by using itsr third column inside the US administration such as the evil Dulles brothers. Also Vietnam is a war totally invented by Dulles in the 50s when they refused to accept the peace treaty between France and Vietnam
@noahnelson63853 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing!
@larrywheeler99173 жыл бұрын
But at their cocktail parties they all toasted themselves . They had assetts of mafia types and dictators and secret police hit squads. They set up a system and gamed their own system. Then stamped a label on it and sold it . They got the profit and we got to pay for it.
@robertgabuna3554 жыл бұрын
What evil thing did Vietnam do to be invaded by powerful nations?
@michalaugustniak4333 жыл бұрын
They weren't wasps.
@diehardcat3 жыл бұрын
Wanting real independence. That's the crime.
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
Killed those that opposed communism, they did a lot of that.Turned children into suicide bombers. Burned villages , talking about the North now and their allies in the south.Yep they were real bad people. Please either grow up or stay away from adult conversation.
@justinjex12 жыл бұрын
Vietnam is important in trade routes. The french exploited that and the Truman doctrine brought the USA. My wife is Vietnamese. These people have been overrun for centuries. With that said, they are a strong and resilient people and due to the geography and history, they are fierce and independent. It is sad when any country is invaded, but history is not as simple as the cynical simple statements here make it sound.
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
@@justinjex1 Uncle sam spent too much time and blood fighting and not enough training, same as in Afgannyland. I helped get some of tour wifes countrymen out. Was not there during the major US effort.TRherre was not nearly the corruption as the media and left leaning liars make it out to be. Over the course of the war U.S,did a mbad job training ARVN Troops, especially the NCO and O-1 thru O-3 officer core.Republic of Vioetnam has the potential to be American Allies in stopping China. They have been is some shootouts with China.American Navy Ships are Porting in Cam Rohn again.
@mogwaifan70943 жыл бұрын
No mention of the phoniex program? Or did I miss it?
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
I would like you to tell me what you know about Phoenix. I am serious. I took part in spooking on redical left under Nixon. Other efforts as well. CIA was not the only Intelligence Agency involved. They screwed it up. I was a U.S.Army 35-L.
@havu-oj4qh Жыл бұрын
It was one of the most disgusting crimes in Vietnam war.
@cherchuhaikieu43285 жыл бұрын
A lot of information is inaccurate in this lecture. Frankly, if history and education is written and taught like this, who the hell know what really happened? We never learn if we keep destroying our own history and every government is responsible.
@ki5ngau3 жыл бұрын
America had the opportunity to team with Ho Chi Minh. But did not want to upset the French by supporting Ho Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh was working with the OSS during WW2 to fight the Japaneae. After WW2, Ho Chi Minh asked America to support VN independent and that VN will adopt the US constitution and the Bill of Right. This mistake cost the US 58K lives, thousand with injuries and 500 billion dollars. Shame.
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
whewre did you get this silly shit? Prove what you said is trut.By the way,Uncle Ho was just an Army Officer and NOT the political maker and shaker. Here is real Na,m History. By 1973/74 the North had almost no Air DFefense ability, Hanoi was being destroyed. Political Pressure from both D emocrats and Liberal Republicans(Percy and Ford) plus Nixons mess led to U.S. dumping the war. The Paris Peace Accord was violated by the North, and THE U>S> did NOT respond with total Air and Sea Bombardment to the violation as was stated in the Accord. This is how it ended. If Nixon had still been President, he would have ordered the total destruction of Hanoi.Do you really believe that Nixon had Rosemary Woods make them recordings?
@rosesprog17222 жыл бұрын
@@davidwadsworth8982 Hô was no military man, you are wrong and he is right, Hô wrote to the State Department 7 times to ask for help dealing with the French, he knew how the US fought for her independence, he thought they would understand what his country was going through and that they would be glad to help, unfortunately he didn't realize that the US would use the temporary division of the country to install a puppet government in the south, pretend they needed help to fight imaginary communists in the north, Hô wanted his country to be free, he didn't want no capitalist and no communist in Vietnam. Only after he died in 1970 the north became much more radical and violent, he would not have agreed with that. When they left, the French handed the heroin trade to the US the CIA created Air America and they flooded the world with their crap just to finance their insane operations. A lot of people all over the world suffered a lot because of Dulles and his spooks, the US will have huge excuses to make when it wakes up from its fantasies of manifest destiny bullshit.
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
@@rosesprog1722 Who did he contact at the State Depaertment. Ike was President and he would have fired the State Department fool that even took the letters. During the late 40's thru mid 50's Uncle Ho cut his bones as an Army leade. While setting political policies for the entire military component. Do you have a copy of the recieving of confidential doccument that the DState Department has High Level Officials sign when they do get this level of corespondence? Have YOU?
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
@@rosesprog1722 Have you actually seen the signed reciept of confidential corespondence form that ALL high level officials have to sign when they do trully recieve this level of confidential coreapondence? There really is such a form. Who recieved these letters. What Division of the D.O.S. werethey sent to?Who was advised and when. Talk a lot of shit sonny, time to back it up with evidence. Oh and who at the D.I.A. was notified?NOT C.I.A., this was a military Intelligence matter. One more thing, at least he would have contacted the SWhite House as well, and he never did.Who i hell is teaching you this shit?Youneed a timem out without tv and no PC.
@rosesprog17222 жыл бұрын
@@davidwadsworth8982 I have a link, I'll find it and get back to you.
@mijoizagas37472 жыл бұрын
I certainly enjoyed the lecture. Thank you sir.
@jenpsakiscousin45893 жыл бұрын
NVA had pipelines funneling fuel down the trail in Laos. It was actually more of a highway hidden under triple canopy jungle. Complete with power lines, telephone lines and security personnel known as bihn tramms. There sole job was to secure the trail and to hunt SOG teams. The bounty for a American SOG member was so high it would have made you a rich man if you were in the NVA or Pathet Lao.
@johnd2058 Жыл бұрын
Excellent point to bring up whenever any "useful idiot" posts that cumulative alleged US bomb strike map of Laos. It's worth mentioning, however, that it had to disperse into a more capillary network in Cambodia. Also there, NVA security would be as much to keep Khmer Rouge from stealing equipment as anything else. Thus, why initial KR support zone was predicted by bombing: knocked-out convoys made for easy pickings.
@thanhphongpham7482 Жыл бұрын
Oh my fuck you guys being propaganda again. We not even but bounty in any of you just intel counter intel. No one become rich from capture your member.
@SandfordSmythe2 жыл бұрын
CIA members and their families were treated by the diplomatic personnel as a second-class citizen even though they were under that umbrella. This caused some social stress for them.
@josephsmith6777 Жыл бұрын
A good book about this method is called the Jakarta method
@dfdf-rj8jr26 күн бұрын
Yeah that book is useless nonsense
@josephsmith677725 күн бұрын
@dfdf-rj8jr it's cia tale its interesting reading, but you never know if it's truth or just Cia propaganda 🤔
@SN-xk2rl2 жыл бұрын
Laos was successful? "positive accomplishments of the agency"??? "good trade craft"??? "Air America was indispensable to CIA operations in Laos" Air America is proven as a transportation vehicle for the heroin trade from the late 1960s thru the mid 1970s in SE Asia and then in Central America in the 1980s. Laos was bombed incessantly by the US in 1960s and 1970s. The US was instrumental in bombing Laos and Cambodia causing so much destruction and chaos that the Khmer Rogue were able to come to power. The Hmong the US worked with, werre, and continue to be, deeply involved in the Golden Triangle drug trade.
@alexmac1012 жыл бұрын
Lol I did a double take on that slide at 27:30 like: “Oh it says HEROISM!” For a second I thought the talk was about to get super real lol
@Just4Bboying3 жыл бұрын
3:40 I read somewhere else and it said the general was not Big Minh, he was Lê Văn Tỵ, another general under Diệm's regime.
@SN-xk2rl2 жыл бұрын
The claim that the CIA was not involved with or associated with the coups in RVN is specious. Each coup plotter sought the pre-approval of the US before acting, just like Huerta got permission to topple Madero from the US ambassador in Mexico back in 1913. The CIA took these tasks under the table, it became too embarrassing for ambassador's to be doing this openly after WW2 - hence the NSA act of 1947.
@rickp462 жыл бұрын
@@SN-xk2rl State department and The ambassador thought they were smarter than the cia head of operations of vietnam. Too many chiefs. Not enough indians.
@josephsmith6777 Жыл бұрын
Ho chi min originally wanted USA backing
@sdushdiu8 жыл бұрын
Where does anyone get the notion that democracy for the sake of democracy has Ever been the goal??? It wasn't in the founding of the US, nor has it ever been since. Were it so, there would never have been the debates regarding a federal versus national government dating from the Federalist-Antifederalist debates to the present - illustrated clearly by the 2002 Presidential election. The imagined dilemma, angst and pathos so poignantly expressed by a few here based upon erroneous assumption, is oh so dramatic, but founded on a delusional rotten foundation.
@TrggrWarning3 жыл бұрын
2000 election... most leaders are selected well before such garbage can occur. Our founders had no idea how warped and hidden org religion would become. It is clear they warned and enabled us as well as they could.
@Laotzu.Goldbug2 жыл бұрын
Democracy is a terrible goal and a terrible system.
@havu-oj4qh Жыл бұрын
While in the name of "democracy" ,many millions people in the world were killed brutally by US army.
@trebledog2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, 40 years too late. You gotta love Monday mornings.
@FrostRare2 жыл бұрын
LMFAO for real. Easy to spout off about in hindsight. Guess no one had the guts while the murder fest was underway. No one with any power to do anything at least… I hope when Nixon and Johnson went to hell, they landed in Hanoi, 1960.
@marktodd48243 жыл бұрын
Lot's of keyboard experts commenting here that got it all figured out.
@TrggrWarning3 жыл бұрын
As a general rule i think its good to be skeptical. These days, high alert skepticism, as far as that goes, I appreciate yours. The only thing I know about in this lecture is his remarks around 1:20 “CIA success in Iran.” This success cane from CIAs ability to have a democratically elected president overthrown. By doing so, it directly led to the Iran they have complained about to this day. Currently that complaint is tied to the Iran govt, to stop it, they try to say they are behind terror but Iran offered to help fight terror and ended up fighting ISIS with Russia. Anyway, if the US is able to trigger a war or revolution that eliminates the power structure in Iran, what sort of govt would they want? They would want a democratically elected president.
@dfdf-rj8jr26 күн бұрын
@@TrggrWarning The CIA did not overthrow the democratically elected government. Mossadegh was trying to become a dictator and the Iranian people were going to kill him anyway.
@harrykrebs3 жыл бұрын
Very funny, should be on "The Onion."or
@pagarb Жыл бұрын
Civil Air transport (CAT) had a lot of C-46's parked at kai Tak airport in Hong Kong in 1949, it looked like they were stranded there. They eventually disappeared, it was well known they were the air transport part of the Flying Tigers.. HK was a real hot bed of intrigue between east and west in those days. There wasn't much stopping the commies from marching in other than it suited them to have a some place where they could have contact with the outside world. These C-46's could have wound up in some CIA operation, they just gradually vanished one after another over some time, some could have wound up in l'indochine..
@James_Bowie4 жыл бұрын
Correction: David Robarge, chief bullshitter for the CIA.
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
Look I know you never ever served in that agency, so how do you know so much? I served in another three letter Intelligence agency,, I DO know that the CIA has never did anything right. I got to live it. B ut you come on, kid. You have not earned the right to bitch.
@enlightenedwarrior71193 жыл бұрын
The SOG teams were using children to help them fight.
@klnine2 жыл бұрын
the average age of the US GI was ony 19 for f's sake
@davidwadsworth89822 жыл бұрын
He never serrved in Nam, so all he kn ows is what NBC told him was history. Does not even use the correct terminology.
@vedantmehra69702 жыл бұрын
If u mean MACV SOG, then no they certainly weren't using any kids, those guys were anything but kids !!
@rosesandsongs21Ай бұрын
If the agency had nothing to do with the overthrow what were Lucien Conein and Col. Lansdale, fresh from the Philippines, doing there then? If Diem had been a little more Buddhist friendly rather than a totally stubborn American Christian, he might have had a chance to get the people on his side but when monks began to immolate themselves on TV, he was done. If the 56 election had taken place as had been promised, there would have been no U$ involvement, no communism and no kids still born horribly handicapped today because of the insane amount of agent orange dropped on the jungle, killing all life for miles around. And the US never even apologized, unforgivable. And then Laos and Cambodia...
@neilreichenbach65263 жыл бұрын
So much respect for The Phoenix Program God bless you all Dania Beach Florida please pray for our Police Department I'm search and rescue ready to go silent Watcher Dania Beach Florida Reichenbach
@melodymacken97882 жыл бұрын
Research John Stockwell books.
@sbaker323212 жыл бұрын
Betel Nut is good to chew
@neilreichenbach65263 жыл бұрын
God bless the provincial reconnaissance observers Nixon lied to us I was The Living Years too young misfit tried for a recce shield love you guys so much my cousin Silver Star Charlie windisch blessings to all quiet professional Dania Beach Florida
@enlightenedwarrior71193 жыл бұрын
They would impeach a POTUS who tried to pull out wouldn't they? LBJ tapes
@carolinaquanonne5973 жыл бұрын
Opium dominance USA dollar CIA commands through partner ship American economy
@general-cromwell66395 жыл бұрын
Before anyone starts launching BS bombs...checking historical records? Cables? Pentagon Papers? Then...see if your evaluation is correct. Yea, history is a bitch, isn't it? Best all and Cheers.
@soulsofyhwhendingthenwo3343 жыл бұрын
Correct. They have to bomb or eliminate the main problem in which is the 13 families!!
@Love.life.ashigzoya3 жыл бұрын
Too much conceipt and self contrived military speculation..
@xys75363 жыл бұрын
Blah blah talk long as possible get payed better of with a time life book
@danielhutchinson66043 жыл бұрын
The similarities to Trump's Administration, favoring Family over reality, seem to have become his downfall..... Vietnam just never wanted to be a Colony.....