Kserijaro GIANT SQUID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CineFix Giant Fucking squid :D

+Kserijaro I agree, the squid thing is so stupid it sounds like a parody. It's doubtful the soviets would want a truce after something like that, if anything they would probably use it as a chance to launch a first strike and destroy an already weakened america.

+stardude692001 not if it was of extraterrestrial origin. I think it makes perfect sense to believe that the soviets would think 'it's attacked America. I see no reason why it wouldn't attack us next.' And thus, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

LondonIrishRover Yes but the "enemy of my enemy" would be the space squid. I could even see the Soviets trying to reach out the the aliens in an attempt to combat the major advantage Dr. Manhattan gives the US in the cold war.

Because it was and still is. Not just a superhero movie. It's a Movie on Superhero movies. Truly a masterpiece

Tyler D Fun fact: At the end of Doomsday Clock issue 9, Dr Manhattan actually stated “I’m making a movie”.

@@kingofthedarknessbelow9833 Holy shit.

Do you know where I can watch it for free?

@@hood6089 thop TV app

Apparently the actor who played Veidt said it was because the warm, friendly superhero turning out to be evil was a much more common trope when the film was made compared to when the comic was written, in part because of the comic. He felt that making Ozymandias into a warm and nice superhero immediately reveals the twist and therefore making him colder is an attempt to subvert it

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I liked how Ozymandias was in the movie way more because he's actually unique, and it makes him the moral opposite of Rorachach. It's so unique to have an almost sociopathic superhero that thinks he's above everyone else but still makes sacrifices to help save humanity.

@@tatian1547 lol

@@tatian1547 they released this video before the ultimate cut was released doe

@@tatian1547 LOL shut up, it's NOT a "rEtaRdeD cHaNnEl" at all you fool, it's a great one! piss off.

@@tatian1547 And the Channel IS credible with their sources. Your ignorance is outstanding. Puss off with your nonsense.

Yeah but the point of Rorschach's death was that it was a personal moment simply for him and no one else. Manhattan doesn't count as a being anymore by that point and the whole scene was simply an illustration of Rorschach deciding to go out and stick to everything he believes in in the perfect way, a moment that no one will ever witness or ever care about that holds the weight of an entire planet within it.

+justin canu True. Nite Owl was never really Rorschach's friend since he snapped. "He works mostly on his own, these days"

+Emperor Palpatine How about after Deadpool movie this past week? :D I'd prolly have to put either this or Deadpool at the top for my comic movie.

The God Emperor It was definitely funnier, that's for sure.

+Emperor Palpatine More depressing to have a witness? That way he's remembered. In the comic, Nite Owl and his girl are busy shagging while Rorschach is killed. They're eager sellouts. Rorschach was the only true idealist, and it's like his ideals die unremembered (except by Dr. Manhattan).

***** and no one acknowledge that

As and adaptation it's good it captures the spirit of the comic in a different medium the problem people have that it didn't have the same effect on the medium

TheRonster9319 besides the problem with making the movie sexier (the suits, the violence, etc) I actually enjoyed it. It's not perfect, but it's a pretty effective adaptation given the source material. And it's Snyder's last decent film tbh.

TheRonster9319 I agree (but only with the 3 1/2 hr cut). It's probably the best adaptation we can see that would be suitable to fans of the comic AND the average theatregoer. Still absolutely love watching it.

h3rshel you didn't like the extended cut?

Actually Alan Moore told in an interview once that there is no possible way to depictwatchmen in the big screen so the fact that the movie has reached this close to the comic is basically a great accomplishment by itself although i still prefer the comic from the movie

@@user-it6qf1uy4t Same here buddy.

​@@user-it6qf1uy4tyeaa but alan moore has also disowned the watchmen comic and hates anything to do with it, much like most of his work. Dude shouldnt be listened to for a legit opinion lmfao

I agree. It’s hard to adapt the book to a movie, and the movie did pretty well all things considered.

​@@cstrife420Oh, he still should. One of the objectives of the graphic novel was to show that there are things that you can do in some medium but can't in others. Snyder has no media literacy/reading comprehension and it shows in every of his works, the critical changes made (Rorschach's reply to laurie regarding comedian's rαpe case, blaming dr manhattan[who is a US weapon, yet the one to the blame on, whereas in reality, the soviet & its allies would've blamed the US even more], etc) He isn't object to all adaptations (JLU's superman: for the man who has everything as notable instance), but to some of which he is, it's because they were meant to be in the medium they were written

Exactly! It's like saying the whole world would band against America after Hiroshima. People are usually spectators when the problems don't immediately affect them. It made more sense, giant squid or atomic bomb, to make a global catastrophe so that we could unite. Snyder did extremely well.

+nextpkfr Seriously, this video sucks but that part, that "analysis" about the ending is incredibly stupid.

+nextpkfr I felt like Laurie in the film was almost as rounded as she was in the comic. The film's version with the cut sequences helps flesh her out a bit more. But I never once saw her as whiny in the movie. I also saw the heroes as human. I personally might have toned the increased strength down in the movie and showed them struggle a little in the alley fight but it wasn't that bad. And I agree with you Cinefix forgot all about the fact that destruction happened on a global scale in the movie too even if it was hard to notice since only New York was shown.

+nextpkfr I agree with you 100%. The CineFix guys have no fucking clue what they're talking about. The film was amazing and it portrayed the characters and the main plot perfectly. Also to the fanboys who are complaining that the graphic novel isn't EXACTLY the same as the film, please use some fucking common sense.

I agree with all of you it's weird that everyone in comment section agrees with eachother it's scary

Yeah well still I have own the director's cut the comic is still far superior it's not a masterpiece by any means Zack Synder has never made a masterpiece

I was really looking for this

"300" is certainly a masterpiece.

Not really, it's just visually good. A great movie but by no means a masterpiece.

Look no farther then BvS

SuperSongbird21 what I always took from the comic was that night owl was only a super hero to satisfy his own needs/build confidence. When faced with real complex choices his mind was unable to process - his concept of a black and white good vs evil was challenged and so he just walked away.

Senseless is not really the word here though, since they were absolutely done for a purpose. ;)

SuperSongbird21 To me that felt like really over the top movie melodrama though. Dan’s reaction in the book felt much realer to me. Stunned, dumbfounded confusion. He says over and over again that Adrian must be joking and refuses to entertain the possibility of it being real until he sees the broadcast, and at that point he’s cold. And then, the fact that he (and everyone else) has to choose between telling people and ruining the peace that Adrian has created, or not saying anything and keeping the peace, is one of the greatest scenes in the comic. That is something that was completely gone from Snyder’s movie, the murky, terrifying ambiguity of a situation like this. As Adrian put it in the comic “checkmate”

I don’t think Nite Owl realistically would have (or even could have) punched Veidt. Veidt had already explained his reasoning behind doing it at this point, and Jon quickly backed up that there was nothing they could do that wouldn’t just make the situation worse, so I think the comic Nite Owl’s reactions make perfect sense. he misses being a hero, but is portrayed as being scared of pretty much all his fellow heroes AND already saw Veidt beat Rorschach multiple times without being touched, giving him no reason to think he would be able to land a punch on him.

@@legendofhayden In the comic yeah, but in the film Night Owl witnesses Rorschach's death and actually seemed to care about him. It was probably easier in the comic for him to reconcile with the deaths of faceless strangers, whereas in the film it's more personal. And Ozymandias wasn't all that bothered anyway (he seemed to me to be in a "Okay dude, let it out and then let's be rational again" mood) until Night Owl voices what was only implied in the comic - that while it was for the "greater good" it was still inhuman.

the Ultimate Cut is the best one. it's weird how theres the theatrical cut, the director's cut, and ALSO the Ultimate cut, but the Ultimate cut is by far the best way to watch it.

@@redhoodie4111 Directors cut is the directors prefered version, the ultimate cut includes the black fraighter comic, but zack didnt feel it fits properly because it was never designed with the black fraighter to begin with. but i havent watched it yet. seen the directors cut once over 10 years ago. might check it out.

@@redhoodie4111 think that’s bad, you should see how many cuts Blade Runner has

***** What's your 1 and 2 ?

***** Only because the graphic novel was a masterpiece. The things Snyder added, not so much.

***** Fuck no it's not. The movie sucked ass, a lot of ass.

***** Absolutely not anything even remotely close to a masterpiece. It's a brilliant graphic novel, and a very mediocre film. In the movie, the acting is weak, the characters are terribly underdeveloped, the plot is rushed, and much of the dialogue is misplaced and poorly written. They also removed a lot of the character development and plot points to make way for extended, gratuitous action scenes and an extended sex scene.

***** Fuck you.

No it's not Watchmen it's a problem with all Hack Snyder movies

Captain Jakemerica Are you going around everywhere and saying "Watchmen bad and Hack Snyder bad"? Sad.

@@superdrinkingpepsi My opinion jackass and many others

@@captainjakemerica4579 "My opinion is* jackass" fixed it for you. And Snyder isn't worth idolizing as many fanboys does but he did Watchmen right. And inb4 you're butthurt by "muh opinion" getting trashed, first, you're the one that started it by replying the contrary in a whiny manner and second, you're not talking to puppets, but other people with opinions. So suck it.

@@sharilshahed6106 destruction 100, Speech 101

CineFix SEGUNDA SESIÓN POR FAVOR GRACIAS!

CineFix You should really try to do this in a "better" way: Compare the Graphic Novel to the Ultimate Cut of Watchmen en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(film)#Ultimate_cut Anyway, thank you for bringing this piece of work to more people's eyes and ears. Well deserved in my opinion :-)

I would love to see the second video

Awesome video guys! Can you please do "The Godfather" next?

CineFix please do part deux. As when i watched the film I liked it, but didn't completely understand the narrative.

Actually I dont think Niteowl ever found out in the comic that Rorsharc died

RussianGuyovich that is true, but when Rorschach left karnak, Nite Owl wasn't too concerned whether he would be ok or not.

TheCelticTiger32 Um, what was he supposed to do? Hold him by his hand? You gotta consider that Niteowl was still pretty much in shellshock after failing to stop the murder of millions, so I'd just write it off

RussianGuyovich Rorschach was walking out into Antarctica, Nite Owl needed to fly him home in archie, but he didn't seem bothered. See that's the one aspect the film didn't get. Nite owl doesn't particularly like Rorschach anymore and considers him a psychopath, feeling uncomfortable around him. In the comic they only spring him from prison because he had valuable information on the case that he and spectre needed and not because they wanted him free. His friend he knew died long ago in his eyes. Besides, Nite owl didn't seem too choked up about it in the end of the comic when he and spectre are together.

TheCelticTiger32 I dunno about the whole "considering his old friend dead" thing, I mean, yeah, Rorsharch did go a bit looney and Nite Owl was a tad bit wary of him, but it seemed to me as if he warmed up to him by the end, shaking hands and being all buddy-buddy, it's just that their friendship wasnt focused on much in the end, cause he had to smooch things up with Spectre

Not like it has that many movies to compare itself to in the comic to movie world. So yeah it is by far one of the best in that genre.

I wonder which cut they dug their heels into. If it was the theatrical than sure. There is the Black Freighter cut as well. Sure it runs about 3.5 hours but well worth it. Its kinda like how BvS gets shit. I never bothered with the theatrical cut.

Xploding Piggzz This movie was awesome. People will bitch either way. If Snyder made the movie shot for shot as the comics, people would've bitched why it was a direct copy. I loved this movie, and I liked it's changes. Especially Nite Owl witnessing Rorschach's murder.

I personally hated that change, though i really like the movie, the character arc of Rorschach die-ing alone, with no witnesses. his morality remained concrete and with no witnesses- he was always who he was in the dark, the Nite owl witnessing it only really gave us a "NOOOOOOOOOO" which i think would have had more dramatic impact with no reaction.

It's from one of the most beloved source materials of all time, people where going to find a reason to be pissed off regardless.

Good point.

That is actually an incredibly good point. Wow.

Hadn't Manhattan abandoned the US in the graphic novel? Leaving them unable to rely on his support.

***** Seems a little more ambiguous. The rest of the world might still think the USA has him in their back pocket. If anything that would make an alliance less likely.

+MyNameIsBucket Watchmen HISHE

Me too man. I dont know why did it get soo much hate. I read the whole series (didnt read before watchmen and doomsday clock but these are not important for the movie). You just cant make 100% of the movie like the book. Its mine favourite commic book(graphic novel) movie and for me it was 10/10. If you liked watchmen and dark comic movies you can check out sin city movies, the crow, blade trilogy (last one didnt get good rewiews but its still good). You probably know these movies but if you didnt watch these you can because they are good. The crow and sin cities have strange effects but gives good personality to the story.

the film is the polar opposite tonally to the comic - characters such as the comedian and rorschach are portrayed far more sympathetically, most disturbingly in the scene where the comedian rapes silk spectre, with the camera pulling in uncomfortably close as she undresses, heavily eroticising her where in the book there’s nothing like that. Meanwhile Rorschach has gone from a parody of Steve Ditko’s objectivist Mr A and the Question (it should be pointed out Alan Moore is a socialist libertarian (anarchist)) to a more overtly heroic character, even with elements like his homophobic queercoding of Ozymandias being vindicated by the film itself also Queercoding Ozymandias. this is also portrayed in how every character death is made more cinematic and heroic: the comedian gets a triumphal battle against Ozymandias where in the comics he was just a sad old nihilist rapist who got thrown out a window, the OG nite owl also gets a triumphal confrontation with the men who beat him to death, reliving his glory days and getting a few good hits in and ultimately martyring himself before he’s overwhelmed, when, again, he’s an old man getting his shit kicked in (perhaps the book is trying to say something about how perpetuating a cycle of violence only leads to more violence once you’re past your prime?) and finally Rorschach gets to have nite owl scream out in anguish at his death, and his blood forms a Rorschach blot test pattern, even though his death was originally symbolic of meaninglessness, reducing him to a puddle of steaming blood and nothing more. The film looks beautiful but it completely misses the point of many of the books key messages and I get the sense watching it that Snyder merely thought the books were good for their dark and adult content, and not their adult themes. It doesn’t help that the two are on pretty much opposite ends politically so of course and adaptation of such a politically charged work is going to send conflicting messages if the guy adapting it has a fundamentally different worldview.

For me it's a masterpiece . Absolutely amazing . I don't care what others says .

I , for one, like the soundtrack!

@@laurenbastin8849 Well said. I mean the comics doesn't have big splash page of the main character kicking ass like how superheroes or antihero usually drawn,that should tell you something.

+TheoneandonlyCrowMan Right!! Just Osterman. And the music is great.

+TheoneandonlyCrowMan Agreed. At no point did I view any of the characters outside of Doc as having super powers. Physically fit, expert martial artists, sure; super-powered, no. Yes, it's a bit of hyper reality with the body throws and surviving trauma that should have shattered bone, but it's in keeping with the tone of the film. In the comic, Ozzy has reached the pinnacle of human potential; he performs acrobatics, engages in a demanding physical fitness regimen, and trains in multiple martial arts. But there's nothing super-powered about him; he's just a man in peak mental and physical condition.

+TheoneandonlyCrowMan Yeah, exactly. Their portrayal was Batman-esque: they did stuff that in real life would indeed be beyond any human, but in cinematic reality is usually the realm of simple "badass normals". Still, I guess making them badass removes a bit that feeling of vulnerability, but then again, they WERE superheroes. And not crappy ones like Kick-Ass, if we have to mention someone from that comic they'd be more like Big Daddy and Hit Girl.

She punched a guy across an alleyway, that's not artistic license so much as she has super strength. They all have oddly ridiculous abilities to fight which makes even less sense with fat, old, really out of shape owl. I personally don't really care about the change but it's pretty damn obvious to see dude.

+justin canu Knowing how to fight isn't super. I can do that.

And these boots are made for walking

Holy shit it's Creepy, what are you doing here?? Now that I know you're a Watchmen fan I like you even more

Holy shit it's Creepy, what are you doing here?? Now that I know you're a Watchmen fan I like you even more

@@antman491 hello?

And sweet dream are made of this

WittyDroog The Dr.Manhattan ending is still makes sense, because he could destroy the entire world if he wanted to meaning that once he turned against humanity the whole world was at stake, putting aside their differences to unite and stop the seemingly all powerful Dr. Manhattan.

Johnny Vulture but then he goes away....

CineFix But the threat of him coming back is always there. They would most likely see him as a Zeus figure of greek mythology who's elevated himself so far above humans they become toys to amuse himself with, he even says, maybe I'll create life. Basically showing how little he thinks of life as it is an afterthought or a hobby to him. BTW Love this series!

The problem is that Russia would NEVER buy it. They would always be skeptical and go 'but the US created him and used him in the war.' Oxy's plan had to leave absolutely no room for Russia or any other country to suspect a nation of being in cahoots . The Earth unites against an enemy that comes from outside the Earth. The Manhattan plot technically works but its a lot weaker of a solution.

WittyDroog But to the public the last they've seen of Manhattan was the revelation that he causes cancer, him get angry on tv glow and put a network out of commission, leave the planet, and then destroy a major city. There is no reason for them to believe anyone is in cahoots with anyone. All they see is an angry thing who has just realized he's a walking plague that can no longer have any contact with humans unless he's willing to kill them in the process, and what does he do after gaining this knowledge? He says fuck it humans aren't worth saving and kills thousands of people as easy as someone raises their finger. Seems like a threat that the world should be wary of.

Bishoujo A Gogo It doesn't just show up out of nowhere. There are intra-dimensional scientific establishments in the comic which are partly responsible. Manhattan's scientific advancements are partly responsible for these establishments.

But still, it only attacks New York, and no one else. If we're talking about a realistic scenario, the Russians, seeing as none of their cities were attacked, wouldn't really care enough to put aside their differences and unite with the Americans. Most likely, the war would only get worse, as the USSR would seize this opportunity to strike down a weakened America after the squid attack. Having Manhattan destroy EVERYONE in the world makes more sense in the terms of uniting everyone against a common threat.

MrConstantine02 But why would he do that? And why not finish everyone off?

MrConstantine02 But Manhattan did attack other cities in the world... Look again in that scene it shows Moscow, Paris, etc

flaggerify Why would he do that? Well, maybe because, after the nationally broadcast emotional breakdown on that interview show, he just didn't give a shit anymore. Maybe he just felt like it. I don't think any of the world's nations would be rationalizing this too much.

There are a ton of small details either in the background or in the shadows that made the comic so good compared to the movie. One of the best little detail I liked is how Rorschach still keeps the old trench-coat he wore, with the now dried blood still present on it when he and Nite-owl retrieved his spare costume in his apartment. Hell even the sugar-packets that Rorschach deliberately snatches in Dan's house came to bite Dan because the detective that visited Dan's home saw that he has the same sugarcube brand that Rorschach eats, further pushing Nite-Owl/Dan to rescue Rorschach earlier than later.

I wouldn't say it's the best ever. But it is still in the top 10, for me at least.

Michael T Yeah, for me it's this or the dark knight. Nice profile pic by the way.

Will Hush thanks.

WolverinesNation92 I agree with you

How about no. I put my money on Sin City being the best.

That is actually true, Snyder has said that if he even got a few people to read the book because of this movie he would have succeeded in his own mind

Well I did read it after the movie. I've known about the book for a long time, and I was always like "meh" because I don't usually like that kind of art style, and it has soooo much text on it, so I avoided it, until I saw the movie and got curious.

I was introduced to the story through the movie and the movie made perfect sense.

Same here. Watchmen is my second favourite movie. The end is perfect for the rest of the movie, instead of the giant squid.

I read the comics religiously, and repeatedly over the years. I was a comic illustrator when the books came out and it was earth shattering for people like me. And I was disappointed when I heard that Snyder was directing. What a horrible choice! It turned out to be one of my favorite movies of the last decade.

+Alexander Forsman The theatrical cut is the one that more people will have seen, so it makes sense to do that one. Besides, if you know what was cut or omitted from the theatrical cut you'll know what wasn't in the other.

Watchmen failed at cinemas, so its possible that extended versions were seen by more people then theatrical one.

Which explains why most of the people who love this movie have never seen it at the cinema, or have watched it again after the Ultimate Cut was released.

Just like people argue the ultimate cut of BvS is what Snyder should be judged on. It's a flawed argument as a film's first and best chance to make a positive impression is at the cinema.

@@GlareBoxTV I respectfully disagree. It's not that simple. Often, the version seen in theaters will reflect studio interference and not the director's vision. A couple of prime examples would be The Donner Cut of Superman II and the Special Edition of The Abyss. Especially in the case of the latter, studio interference completely undercut what the director was trying to accomplish. The climax of the movie makes NO SENSE in the theatrical version because a major plotline was completely excised from the story. I couldn't justify judging The Abyss by any version other than the Special Edition, and there are other films I would say the same about.

I'm of the exact opposite opinion. The fact that Zach Snyder slowed down and amped up the graphic nature of the fight scenes while shortening and even speeding up many of the character scenes really highlights where Snyder's priorities were and why the movie failed as an adaptation: Style over substance. The movie LOOKS like Watchmen, but doesn't FEEL like Watchmen. When Night Owl started beating the crap out of Ozymandias, lecturing him about how evil he is, as far as I was concerned, Snyder could've died in a hole somewhere. He didn't understand the comic at all. Honestly, the comic would've been much better served as a television miniseries by a competent director.

***** ya out of the current hollywood directors. but if you look at none Hollywood guys alot of them would

Mediaslave he is son "close" he missed completely the essence of the comic.

comicbook was better than the movie, just like every comicbook adaptations. Don't get why people tell it sucks just because it didn't respect some comicbooks element.

@@nasmythra3313 well,im normally under the opinion of if it has a adaptation that is good like watchman was or like rurouni kenshin and respects the material that it is based on then any adaptation live action or animation is better than it remaining a comic or manga. b/c it being animated or live action its more likely to be seen by people who don't read manga or comic normally but might start b/c of the animation/live action adaptation. that said fuck any adaptation looking to make a quick $$$$$$$ like dragon ball evolution did

same

ehh

Old Man I just watched it for the first time and it’s amazing, although I disagree with this video for a number of reasons

The movie was fantastic, and gets unfair criticism.

The movie made like 180 million so I think that is pretty good

Whether or not the film made money is actually unknown. It could have been a mild success or a mild failure; we'll never really know.

it's more like they're having control over each other after failing to save millions of people so they can at least save each other from their despair but I see what you mean.

to cope, and comfort the only way they could.

The thing is that rorschach is a fascist miserable killer, he didn't deserve someone yelling "no" at their death , that is the point of killing him in two panels in the comic, he is the bad guy after all

I also liked that you are left with Rorschach's black and white reasoning for trying to reveal the perpetrator, Ozymandias'/Dr Manhattan's conclusion that it was worth sacrificing the few for the many, and Night Owl's issue with having to deceive humanity to keep it from destroying itself is not natural or right. It really leaves you having to decide who has the best point.

@@floweylaflower4824 Rorschach being called a fascist or being the straight bad guy misses the point of the comic too. Rorschach isn't a fascist, he's insane. There are no good or bad guys in the comics, just morally grey people who believe they know how best to save the world.

Watchmen is overrated. Too much filler not enough killer. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qZZ-g6hm2KrdZpc.html

Idk the name of the actress for silk spectre ii but her whole performance was absolutely atrocious, I mean just 0 emotion, every scene no matter what was happening she had the same expression and tone of voice, not to mention the fake crying during the mars scene… The acting in general was pretty bad for the whole movie, although some of that may not have been the actors fault directly but more how rushed everything felt. Although the writing is technically good (mainly because most of it is ripped directly from the comic, which is actually a good choice) the dialogue just felt so unnatural and falls flat. None of the emotional moments hit because we have no time to sit with the characters and form a connection like we do in the comic.

I read it recently, and I'm pretty sure they do not call themselves that either.

+Jack Woodgate You are right. Though not offensive, that was one of the dumbed down things of the movie

+Jack Woodgate Yeah, the only superhero team with a legit name was the Minutemen. Crimebusters WOULD have been the team-name had Metropolis been able to rally a team, but it failed. Rorsach and Niteowl II were the ONLY heroes in an actual team (with no name), and they eventually split ways after Rorsach started killing criminals.

+Jack Woodgate Yeah, the only superhero team with a legit name was the Minutemen. Crimebusters WOULD have been the team-name had Metropolis been able to rally a team, but it failed. Rorsach and Niteowl II were the ONLY heroes in an actual team (with no name), and they eventually split ways after Rorsach started killing criminals.

+PsychoholicSlag83 just because they called themselves Watchmen? i'm sorry, that sounds pretty dumb if you ask me.

It was an amazing series to read! I saw the movie first but the comic was better IMO

t3x77 I read the series over the summer and it was really good. It just sucks they had to cut so much from the books due to time constraints (and the fact that the final book wasn't published at the time of release.)

Michael T Nice QOTSA album profile

Walmar neto Thanks! Yours pretty cool too.

The best thing about the movie? No dumb fukn SQUID.

About the movie, I liked the part when it ended.

@@edwintroller6509 You must not like good movies.

@@edwintroller6509 yeah I agree that part was great

The Flash You must've watched the directors cut, is it any good?

Joshua .Perez Yes, it is! But the version with the Black Freighter in it is not the director's cut, it's the ULTIMATE CUT :)

Oh I didn't even no about that one, I just bought the cheap one.

It's nearly 4 hours long and some of these "issues aren't im it"

Yeah... It's AWESOME!

Yosi Berman true, it does work for his character arc much more smoothly!

In the comics Rorschach explains that is mask is made from a synthetic material engineered by Viedts companies. It was a dress with ink in between two layers of this special fabric is was sealed in that responds to heat. that's how the ink moves freely around the mask.

wow, man I must read the comic

Great comment.

Or maybe, you're a pompous douchebag who's looking way too deep into something that isn't there.

Hunter Cook Nah, he's right. (Notification squad BITCH)

Well, I've read the actual Graphic Novel, written in 1985, and I can tell you that all of the stuff he's talking about was not intentional. I believe he should interpret art however he likes, but insulting other readers because they can't see some delusional nonsense that he sees because they are rational human beings, or because they have their own interpretation is utter nonsense and makes him look like a pompous douchebag. Oh look, I made a run on. Oh well. Anyhow, "Ever notice how most of the main characters, politically speaking, are almost scary with how conservative they are?" Well that's because the novel was written in 1985! That's not clever writing, that's how people freaking talked! Can we stop pretending that modern judgment and culture is law and is how it's always been and will be? Anyway, my point is don't be a jerk and act like Americans are morons because they don't believe your twisted and moronic world view. Have a nice day.

Because people have a connection to Moore that's almost as psychotic as he is.

I think the movie is bad on it's own merits. A lot of very very very bad acting, silly over the top fight scenes, terrible use of music, way too fucking much slow motion, ending makes no sense, lack of color, goofy rubber costumes, etc.

***** Alright, I personally like the movie, but I can see your point. :)

Mily Wolfheart The movie isn't awful on it's own, it has some serious pacing issues, and a SERIOUS problem with tonal whiplash. What really gets me though is Zack Snyders complete misunderstanding and removal of a lot of clever and intelligent details in favor of stuff he thought was 'cool.' A good microchasm of this is Ozymandias' suit. In the comic his wardrobe shows his borderline obsession with Egyptian culture, while giving him a regal and powerful appearance, posing him as a more intimidating and intellectually superior to his other watchmen team members. In the movie Snyder forgoes this intelligent character design for what is essentially an inside joke. Basically every detail of the movie suffers from this. The biggest problem is the complete ruining of the book's tone and message. The whole point of the final encounter is how morally grey it is, it's thought provoking. Snyder clearly sides with Rorschach, showcasing Ozymandias as a mustache twirling villain, even unambiguously giving Rorschach the last laugh. That really defeats the punch of the book's ending.

Alan Moore is not psychotic he is one of the best writers in comic book history next to Stan Lee and Mark Millar and 80s and 90s Frank Miller he is one of the best

He could've kept everything in if all the fights played at regular speed.

Hewylewis we know, but that's kind of going down the path of "this scene that was different from the book was included in the special features on the DVD" - it's cool that it's out there, but it's not part of the movie that most people saw. We compare the theatrical version to the source, that's the show, if not we'd go bananas lol

CineFix Gotchya. Also, PLEASE talk about The Howling or Last Unicorn!!

CineFix But the Ultimate Cut (or the Director's Cut and Tales of the Black Freighter) with the Under the Red Hood documentary is the full film. Plus, no one saw this movie in theaters, so you might as well go with the home video version.

+KoOkiEzRoCkz The Ultimate Cut is ok. Not as good as the comic since it still focuses too much on the action and leaves out several background elements that actually were extremely interesting and important to character development, but it's not as bare bones as the theatrical cut was.

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KoOkiEzRoCkz completely agree

The movie was an insult to the graphic novel I only read the first 2 chapters and my opinion on the film has changed drastically the color degradation was stupid and how Synder tried to emulate the style of the comic was dumb and the changes he made were a huge middle finger the movie isn't good no matter the cut

@@captainjakemerica4579 lmao you're an idiot, genuinely an idiot trying to explain why the movie was bad.

+Buffoon1980 Compared to the comic, yes, it was cold. In the comic, he asked if it was over, only for Dr. Manhattan to tell him "It's never over" making him realize he had only killed millions of people to provided a temporary solution.

Umm.... In the book Rorschach's mask is made out of a weird looking dress that he put together...

Kadin Grayson How does a dress change patterns by itself?

+BenRangel Have you read the book?

Kadin Grayson Yep, long time ago. Remember something about a dress with ink but to me it doesn't make sense that it would be symmetrical and change to suit his expressions.

+BenRangel It wasn't really explained. I think that it's just boring for the artist to keep drawing the same mask over and over and wanted to make it unique.

You were lucky enough to see the ultimate cut of the film. We compared the theatrical release.

Casey Redmon Actually, some festivals have shown the Ultimate Cut over the past few years.

Alex Gorcea That's good! I've only seen the theatrical and director's cut. The ultimate cut sounds superior.

Casey Redmon The ultimate cut is amazing. I don't think it adds much that a non-comic fan would appreciate, but what it does add pretty much bumps it up to being the best comic movie adaption ever made.

Alucard BloodyVampire alucard? you cray cray, like way way.

Richard At The Movies We really want to, but we want to wait a little bit more for people to check it out... unless you're all saying it's been long enough?!

CineFix well the movie is already out in DVD and Blue ray....

Simen Kristoffer okay, we'll wait a little longer.

Same here, I thought the story was, although nonsensical at times, still very gripping and well done. I do want to get around to reading the graphic novel though, as it is considered one of the best books of all time

Musa Chaudhry cool!

Insane Ian A lack of bias and impartiality are two different things. If anything, I'd say they were too fair to the film version.

***** I was referring to the theatrical cut. I haven't seen any other versions, and while they might be better they can't address fundamental flaws. The two best examples were how the heroes were portrayed as almost superhuman in the gratuitous fight scenes and how Adrian's plan was terrible since Dr. Manhattan was known to be American. Don't get me wrong, for an adaptation of a graphic novel long considered to be unadaptable, it's great. It's a good movie, and they made a lot of good decisions making it (notable examples: the montage at the beginning and taking out the pirate comic), but at other times they really missed the point of the source material or made bad decisions. Watchmen is one of the greatest graphic novels of all time, but it is certainly not one of the greatest films of all time.

+Thutil I don't see how the plan doesn't work, Dr. Manhattan turns on america and the rest of the world in response to the nuclear war bullshit everyone is trying to pull. Maybe world peace is a bit of a stretch but it is also a stretch with a giant squid. But it is likely that they would call a truce to deal with the bigger threat, humans are kinda know for banding together against a greater enemy, regardless of origin.

Silver Chariot ... I think it’s safe to say that Dr. Manhattan has super human powers.

Let's just say they're at peak human levels. That's why they dubbed Dr. M as the first superhero.

Bad ass fight scenes isn’t a worthwhile substitute for keeping true to the thematic relevance and verisimilitude of the story

@@akshaybhatia8971 Exactly. What made _Watchment_ an excellent comic book story made it an excellent COMIC BOOK story. It was not written cinematically, as, say, _300_ was. All the changes that gut the theme to make it a more passable flick just go to prove that the original work was, in fact, unfilmable, like some fans always claimed.

I don't think it screws certain details up. Rorschach describes Nite-Owl as a "flabby failure" and yet Dan can arguably kick more ass than him.

No

@@lazyvoid7107 Yes :)

The Boys, Logan, Joker, The Batman laughing:

+rajvader Kind of strange that something intended as one of the grand masterpieces of comics would use a parody of such a such a random little thing as it's finale.

+BenRangel it wasn't intended as such. it was a bunch of characters the publishing house had recently acquired when they bought the original house. they got moore to write something out of it, and he went and changed the characters and even designs a lot. The pirate story was a nod to the original comics before superheroes took over in the 50s/60s. Manhattan was a superman, ozymandias was an actually smart lex luthor, night owl was an everyman's batman, silk spectre was a wonderwoman type. comedian was a captain america, in that oh so popular at the time way that vietnam vets were thought of. It was a as a whole a parody of the modern comic book, with the villain portrayed as the usual cookie cutter comic book villain while in reality being a hero themselves. Ozymandias was the inspiration for how nuts batman gets in other stuff like kingdom come. the graphic novel was rushed week to week, moore had to fight to write what he wanted, it was delayed, and it was bringing reality to comic books. that requires parody in its essence.

+rajvader In the comic book Ozymandias' trick was to convince the world that Earth was under attack by an alien species. The giant octopus destroying New York was not supposed to be just a random event but the first of many to come. The world becomes united in order to fight the "alien invasion".

Pavel Lujardo One event doesn't establish a pattern. Especially when the "alien" basically arrived, exploded, and expired. Not much of an invasion plan. Especially since Ozzy didn't have a second squid to throw out there. The shock that there *were* (apparently) aliens, and that things like this could happen, might be enough to shake the world leaders from focusing on their mundane "enemies"... But the squid might also raise a lot of questions, and some of the theoretical answers might not lead to peace.

+rajvader Everyone forgets that the squid didn't just APPEAR and die (and it DID NOT explode), it broadcast a massive psychic wave with visions of the aliens world, choreographed by one of the best horror writers of the day and with designs with some of the most talented artists of it's time, that Ozy said people would be seeing nightmares of for decades to come across the whole world. That's why the resolution was instant, almost everyone on earth felt it and saw it, with those already psychically sensitive having their brains fried or going completely insane, with the people directly in new york killed by the mental trauma even without any psychic sensitivity due to the close proximity. There was no chain of command to have to deliver news and make snap decisions on whether it was the end-game by one side or another, they all knew instantly what had happened (or at least what Ozy wanted them to know had happened).

That sounds intriguing 🤔

me too

Kaleb Koho The Russians would not have been convinced Manhattan suddenly against his own country, so no

you would have preferred a massive squid falling on the city and killed people rather than a massive bomb?

Kaleb Koho It was not a squid and it didn't land. It supposedly was teleported from another dimension - thanks to technology partly due to Manhattan

I usually get lynched online when I say this, but yeah, so did I.

Eh, it's still a bad change, it bothered me way more than losing the Space Squid or giving the characters actual super strength.

ShinGallon A bad change but a neccessary one.

That scene with the axe was good, very violent and dark. You don't need to burn a house with a man inside it to become a violent psycopath without mercy for criminals, you can just frantically plant an axe into his head

Alien Squid > some flashlight The HBO did it great.

poke moo The comic is the original creation. The film is merely an adaptation.

Agreed. I thought that this was just going to be an unbiased look at the differences.

@@jalenjohnson1662 Generally speaking with their videos, these guys have a tendency to pick whichever one has a bigger fanbase and vaguely bias towards it, the only exception that I've personally seen being their V for Vendetta video. I'm not saying this as a bad thing! Totally okay to have biases. Just something I've observed

Well, the movie is quite alright, but Watchmen is probably The best comic book, and the movie fails to capture a lot of what makes it great. The guy who quit the second time was right, it needed to be mini series, not a movie.

@@tasosalexiadis7748 why is being an adaptation necessarily a bad thing in most people's vocabulary? Snyder did one hell of a job, and I'd argue things like the changed ending (Manhattan instead of "Alien" Squid) brings better thematics. Look at both works separately and not one as a copy paste of the other