You know, having the whole cast perform in black face and completely nude was a strange choice, but it got people talking

"having a diverse cast isnt good enough, they also need to be able to act" amazing that we literally have to spell that out lmfao

The weirdest thing to me about praising the episode "Rosa" is that it is fundamentally flawed in its plot. The characters in the episode act as if Rosa made a spontaneous choice to sit in the front of the bus and if she didn't sit in the front of the bus at this one particular time, she might not ever do so. But... in actual fact, Rosa and her friends had planned to make this sort of statement. It wasn't a spontaneous act at all. She was choosing to sit in the front of the bus at this time, yes, but if she hadn't been able to do so on this particular date, she most likely would have done so at the next available opportunity and history would've gone on mostly as it otherwise did, with no real change at all. If you take that into account, then the whole plot of this story is nonsense.

“You know Amy when anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.” - Knuckles from sonic boom

“We’re going to make Doctor Who really diverse and inclusive... then only give characterisation to the one white male in the show”

I think the worst thing about season 11 was the fact that every single episode boiled down to the same moral "It's the humans who are the real monsters" After you had seen 3 episodes you knew exactly where all the others were heading.

Every watch mojo video sounds like an essay a 7th grader wrote in the middle of the night with no preparation.

The thing that I find funny is that they try to be all diverse but the best written character is Graham, an old white man lmao

When Capaldi said, "Doctor, I let you go", he meant it

Am I the only one who legit forgot about Ryan’s Dyspraxia because it literally was never used again?

When I watched Season 11 the first thing that came to mind was "oh shit, did Disney buy Doctor Who", it came off as something that was trying really hard to be family friendly rather then a good sci-fi show

Honestly the Timeless Child thing could have worked with one tweak - have The Master be the timeless child. Not only would it kind of explain how he keeps coming back after supposedly permanent deaths, but having him be the founding father of the Time Lords would inflate his ego, push his sense of entitlement to the edge and make him incredibly bitter and angry at the Time Lords for erasing his memories and robbing him of his destiny and place in history.

"We are not dealing with reality!" *Some dude just appears out of nowhere*

The brilliant thing about the previous doctors in NuWho has been the fact that the Doctor puts on this facade of being odd and fun, but underneath that he has a dark side that you see come out in Family of Blood or A Good Man goes to War. He's got a lot of pain, anger and regret, which the companions help him deal with. The 13th Doctor has the odd side, but doesn't have the layers beneath it, so it just comes across as hollow.

What's ironic is often in film & television once the visual budget goes up, the story telling goes down...

I'm so sick of people trying to argue this era is good. It's been an utter trash fire and as far as I'm concerned you lost the second the Master uttered "Its you. You're the Timeless Child." I would say WatchMojo have lost their marbles but they didn't have any to begin with.

"Doctor Who was getting more and more complicated" I hate to say this but if you struggle to understand Doctor Who you might have a bigger problem.

Comparing almost 50+ years old special effects to modern CGI. GENIUS.

I really wanted Graham to be the main companion. Having the dynamic with a young doctor and an older companion had so much potential.

"A new character suffered from Dyspraxia" No he didn't, like, he just occasionally has it but then he will not have it if we want him to be so good at a videogame that he can snipe out a bunch of robots.

“Sacrifices with real payoffs” Me, remembering the Doctor now has infinite regenerations and will literally live forever: suuuure...

SPOILERS: While watching season 12, I noticed something, especially in praxeus and the episode that comes after. The conflict resolution isn’t clever in any way. They just fix the problem. There’s a dangerous disease, so they just... make a cure. They accidentally released a evil space god from prison, so... they just... put the space god back in prison. By throwing the prison at them

The one good thing this did for me was give me more confidence in my own scriptwriting. I want to be showrunner some day- if Chibnall could get in, can't I?!

For the diversity point, in season 9 there was a character called Cass who was deaf and did a better job at conveying her motivations and emotions than the blind girl, all while not fucking speaking. They did it right there! That character was great! Why couldn't they have done the same with the blind girl?

Series 11: It's made for new audiences, everyone can start watching from the first episode. Series 12: MASTER, CYBERMEN, DALEKS, THE TIMELESS CHILDREN, MATRIX, CHAMELEON ARCH, JACK HARKNESS, GALLIFREY, TIME LORDS, UNIT, TORCHWOOD, FOUNDING FATHERS OF GALLIFREY

"Thank heavens for" and "Chris Chibnall" are two parts of a sentence that should never meet.

"It was praised on social media..." Must have missed that.

Its amazing how chibnail has selective memory he dosnt remember any strong black charectors yet we had martha jones who walked the earth to defeat the master and captain mugumbo who led a UNIT squadron and no strong female leads? We had sarah jane nyssa martha leela plus ace

I miss the wobbly sets and the shitty alien designs. Back when they actually cared for storytelling

WatchMojo: “They had new villains!” Cybermen: “We’d like to re-introduce ourselves for the season finale.” WatchMojo: “. . .”

Please stop defending Rosa. _Please stop defending Rosa. The "she was just tired" narrative is malicious revisionism._ The Civil Rights Movement was no accident and certainly not something that needed the help of British time travelers to get started. It _hurts_ me every time you say it wasn't that bad.

15:10 Jodi is 10 but forgot how to do emotion, 11 but forgot to show the underlying rage and 12 but forgot literally everything Capaldi brought including being Scottish

Honestly, I wouldn't even agree that "the effects are good." Sure, the CGI looks pretty top-notch, but that hardly matters to me when all of the cinematography is static and boring and the color palette is some variation of grey and brown (even colorful scenes feel brown!). Every moment I see a critique video jump from the new season to an earlier rendition, it feels like a relief to my eyes--give me dodgy practical effects with proper camera work and well-executed color over this visual boredom any day of the week.

I agree with your Jodie point. I think she is quite capable of being a decent doctor but the script is not letting her do that. It is like they are relying heavily on companions in doing the job for her like reacting in the certain way to her character rather than letting her to have her own characteristic moments. Or - my theory is - they don't know how to write strong female character. It is just flat. Like they 've erased not just "timeless child personality" from her but erased all the other experience previous doctors had.

"I think, personally, just having a diverse cast isn't good enough. They have to also be able to act." God yes.

My family watched doctor who since Christopher Eccleston every weekend, every special, pretty much everything. It just died off with season 11 which makes me sad as doctor who has pretty much been my childhood

"Doctor... I let you go" This is where canon DW stopped for me, I'm done with this show until it gets a retcon.

Never thought I’d ever hear anyone say: ‘Thank heavens for new show runner Chris Chibnall’

Yes, because playing demographic bingo and ticking every social justice box is truly the hallmark of writing excellence. My eyes could not possibly roll back further in my head.

I find it so funny that Chibnal tries to tick every diversity box with there characters. Then most liked character is graham.

I've come to the conclusion that: *Representation without good characterization, like faith without works, is dead.* It's nice to include diversity in art but you have to actually do the work and make characters *INTERESTING* . Why? Because diverse characters are still characters and deserve well-rounded writing. Diversity without the works is purely tokenism and an insult to the community they're trying to represent.

"Thank goodness for new show runner Chris Chibnall" Said no true Doctor who fan ever.

"Thank heavens for new showrunner Chris Chibnall." There's a sentence you don't hear often.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I suffer from dyspraxia, and Ryan's portrayal was horrible, he can't ride a bike but he can shoot a gun and do other things perfectly. The dyspraxia is only thrown in every now and then (at most 4 times) which isn't realistic because dyspraxia isn't something that just turns on and off and in other instances it's used to make scenes more tense like "oh no, Ryan can't climb this ladder and escape because he has dyspraxia" like we can climb ladders lmao, if you aren't gonna represent us right then just don't, we don't need your rubbish pandering

I have a feeling that he doesn't like the new Dr who.

Season 12 be like: - History lesson with bad sci-fi writing. - moral lessons no one asked for. - garbage.

The sad thing is that all the major actors really liked the show, and like they tried to do what they could with the stuff they had. But oh god, they didn’t have anything to work with

"unless people face facts, and accept reality, catastrophe is coming" but.... but doctor, you've been to the end of time, you know that humans live and overcome everything, thats why you love them. you love them because you know that they will face facts, they will overcome, and will weather any storm that comes

I love how everyone didn't really like moffat but now we realized how ungrateful we were when we got chibnall *Edit* this was just about how i noticed people complained about him it's not that i thought he was bad.

chibnal: yeah but come on guys, where else would you see something like dr who with an old person, a black teen, a punjabi investigator/officer, while going on alien adventures with a female type doctor * realizes the sarah jane adventures is a thing and is vastly better * oh noooooo

when you said it gonna be very long I didn't expect it to be 5 hour long...

yknow how doctor who seasons always have those episodes we forget about? like "love and monsters"? usually its not the whole season.

So as someone who is dyspraxic, I was really excited for Ryan... and then was immediately unexcited again. His learning difficulty is just another thing he HAS, not a thing he IS, and it's painful to watch because this isn't representation. Filling a show with characters that allow you to check boxes about things people have without those things informing the character at all gives off the totally wrong message, it actually trivialises serious issues that have a real effect on peoples' lives.

WatchMojo is definitely quality, it's just as good as the newest doctor who season Wait...

"Rosa" had no plot. The villain did nothing but sneer. Garbage.

"Oh but if you don't like series 11, you're sexist, hurr durr!" Btw, I wonder, just out of curiousity - remember how the general regenerated into a woman in series 9 and said "back to normal, am I? I was only a man in the last body"? Imagine if the next Doctor was a man a said that same thing "back to normal, am I?"

Watchmojo is literally the last word that comes to mind when you say quality

One of their points was: “There are brown people in it.” K

I think no one in watch mojo actually watches dr who and just read out stuff they found on the Internet and they still can't even stay stuff right.

I just realised. The Timeless Child completely retcons the entire Trenzalore arc. Like the TARDIs is confirmed, broken down and dead, as is The Doctor, since the TARDIS serves as his tomb. That arc took up like a season or 2 and is what resulted in the Doctor being given, and I quote, "a new regeneration cycle". And in Capaldi's time, the Timelords outright say they granted the Doctor more regenerations, so that's 3 whole seasons, arguably some of the best seasons, retconned by a few episodes thanks to Chinball.

bruh I completely forgot Ryan had dyspraxia, a serious life-altering condition

As someone who has dyspraxia, I’d didn’t feel represented I felt pandered to at best, exploited at worst.

I like how 3 of the _"points"_ of why the show is good are "an actor played a role." That borders on being similar to saying that I'm attractive for wearing a Supreme hoodie and hat.

My first Doctor Who episode was The Christmas Invasion when my mom was channel surfing. She told me she used to watch the series when she was a kid in the late 60's/early 70's. I was instantly hooked.

Imagine watching Series 11, because you heard, that you wouldn't need prior knowledge of the show. And than watching Series 12, where the arc seems to be "remember that thing we did???"

"This series had their first blind actor/actress, but Series 9 (?) had the first deaf actress in Nu-Who who played the role much better" WatchMojo: *I'll ignore that*

I agree with what you said about Jodie. Look at the actors who got it right like Matt Smith. Unlike David Tennant and Peter Capaldi, who had been fans of the series since childhood, he wasn't very familiar with it, but he took the time to watch previous doctors, and he took a lot from that. You can see that he just gets it. He can go from being silly and eccentric to serious in a second, and you see the old man he really is behind his youthful appearance. He particularly liked Patrick Troughton, and his portrayal influenced both Matt Smith's performance and his costume as Matt rejected the various costumes shown to him and thought his doctor should look less cool. He actually suggested the bow tie himself. Although offered the chance, Jodie apparently didn't watch previous Doctor's, and it shows. That coupled with writers who who were also not familiar with the show and you get season 11.

My mum described her costume as something mork from mork and mindy would wear. And i cant disagree

Social commentary. In season 2, where we follow the tenth doctor. Theres an ep where the doctor and Rose need to stop a TV from stealing peoples faces. (GrOuNDeD) anyway, in that episode, they meet a family with a controlling father who dictates what everyone does and follows the stereotype of "the man of the house" and clearly has a massive ego. They basically call the man out for being a horrible person and give the woman and child support while also helping with their grandma who had her face stolen. The father calls the authorities and have the grandma taken away, which pushes the family to turn entirely against the man. By the end, the woman builds up the courage to divorce him and kick him out. It could have ended here and been as simplistic as "Abuse is bad" . But not only do they not end it there, go one step further. See from what I've told you so far, I've purposely left out several key details. The man was a war veteran who fought in the second world war. His ego had misled him, because he fought in that war to end stop fascism but due to his ego became what he fought against. By the end, he had realised his mistakes too late, clearly regretting what he had done. The world was changing, and he was stuck in the past. When he's leaving, the doctor and Rose approach the kid to watch him leave. The kid appears ready to leave him in the dust, and amazingly, the doctor asks "That's it then new monarch, new age and new world, no room for someone like him." the kid replies "Yes". Rose then states "Go after him, he's your dad" the kid replies "He's an idiot" and then Rose replies "Of course he is, he's your dad. But you are clever. Clever enough to save the world so don't stop their, go on." and with that, the kid runs after him, walking beside him as he left and even carrying his suitcase for him. The social commentary here didn't just end at "facism and abuse is bad" but gave a more nuicanced approach giving the message that just because they are the way they are, doesn't mean that they can't change, nor does it mean we can't be better and do better. Instead of blanket slating everyone as hateful, instead saying they people can make mistakes, and that doesnt mean we can't change them for the better. This one episode did social commentary better than the entirety of season 12

Anyone else miss David Tennant and Rose and episodes like Blink and The Family of Blood

The fact most people can't remember any of season 11 is already a red flag

We should all agree this era wasn't canon and was just the next doctor's dream while regenerating. Literally, let's just make it the official head canon for the entire community. A head anon is a person whose head has no name.

Oh be fair, if I were asked to make a video detailing 10 reasons why Dr Who Season 11 was good then I'd struggle too. 1 Um, it's mostly in focus? 2 It's got that guy in it who is genuinely entertaining in The Chase? 3 I remember an episode when the enemy was a pantomime horse covered in seaweed and with flippers. 4 My god Amelia Pond was so hot. 5 I think if I met her IRL it'd probably be a bit awkward though. 6 I wonder what happened to the Doctor's daughter? 7 I had fish and chips for tea yesterday, I haven't had that for ages. 8 9 10 I give up.

'Arachnids in the UK' WAS absolutely "in keeping with the classics", in that it was basically a rip-off of the Pertwee story 'The Green Death' (a story about a guy who dumps some waste which causes flies to grow to several metres large and start killing people).

Hire a diverse cast - that's a big thing now right? Fans will like that! Be afraid to do literally anything interesting with your diverse characters. Feels a bit more like a soulless move now, doesn't it?

lets be real guys, doctor who wattpad fanfics have better plot than series 11 and 12

They really titled their video "it's actually good, guys. As opposed to what everyone thinks, it's good. I know it looks bad but that's just an illusion"

One of my main problems is that there's basically no dynamic between 13 and her companions, with basically all of the previous companions since the 9th Doctor, as early as the second adventure they would notice some fundamentally shitty quality The Doctor has and the two of them would work through it and prompt character development from each other that stretches over the whole season. Thirteen's keeps her companions at arms length and constantly lectures them, qualities that prior companions would have ripped her to shreds for, but Ryan, Graham and Yas just don't have any sort of read on her and don't call her out on either so she's never developed beyond her starting point. And I agree with Jay that the Doctor's age old wisdom and air of authority is not present most of the time, so we're left with a Doctor with not a lot of depth. Also yeah Kerblam and Orphan 55 were pretty low moments for the character, where they accidentally write her as pro-capitalism and placing responsibility for global warming on the common folk, with maybe one line of dialogue about how the rich absolve themselves of their responsibilities and ninety lines of dialogue where The Doctor says "WE can change global warming if WE make changes" as if the blame should be shared with the common people in any way.

"Good production value can't save bad writing." -Some guy, somewhere, probably

The fact that that alarm sound is actually in the show just makes me go: "what the fuck, over"

5:02 Something about the "We're not dealing with reality!" and seeing just a few frames of some guy popping into existence with that cut-off noise had me in stitches. I had to pause the video. Quality.

"It has new characters!" *Azorbalof intensifies*

watchmojo: it's has a classic who feel. Its social commentary Me: flashbacks to classic who and the yellowface episode

I like the new tardis. The console, the exterior, and especially how they connect with the partial police box interior blending into the console room. It’s a shame that the lighting is god aweful in there

I said this comment last time but again let's be honest, they probably didn't watch it

With the Rosa episode You could probably do a 20 minute video that's just a person saying "Racism bad" into the camera over and over, and that would probably have more artistic merit and meaning

jodie hasnt had any dark moments like the other doctors...

“More accessible” SHOWS SEIZURE INDUCING SCENE

Saying this newest of Dr Who seasons has great effects is as like seemingly praising it also for being in color and its a "Talkie" too as positives too.

As a boomer teacher who was watching your video and had my cursor in the middle of the video, I am just going to say "good call".

If someone jumped onto season 11 I'd understand why they'd hate doctor who

Every previous doctor: "I am the doctor" Jodie Whitaker: "This is what the doctor says and does right?"

I think having a female Doctor was actually a really good idea. It’s been foreshadowed, such as when the 11th Doctor felt his longer hair and said “I’m a girl!!” But it feels like the Doctor’s a woman for the sake of being a woman, and they decided they didn’t need to add any nuance to her character, or really to her companions. If they had complex feelings and motivations like the other Doctors she probably could have been awesome.

Jodie was able to portray her character as feeling "some type of way".

I’ve never been much of a fan of Rose or Ten, especially not together, but there’s no denying that both are actual characters. I would much rather watch them than any chibnall era character. Plus they have more interesting stories which might at least help the chibnall era.

since it was long established that Time Lords/Ladies could regenerate into the opposite sex, I always knew that we’d eventually have a female Doctor, and I was so excited for it. but when I tried to watch series 11, I just got so bored. I couldn’t get invested and couldn’t care about the characters. It was so frustrating. We shouldn’t praise people for having women in their works if they can’t be bothered to have *well-written* women. Otherwise it just gives ammunition to misogynists and prompts them to say, “I told you so.” It’s 2020. The bar should be much, much higher than simply “have a female lead” or “have a diverse cast.” Give us well-written female characters. Give us well-written diverse characters. Stop being so lazy and expecting people to pat you on the back.

In my opinion about that special effect point. Good special effects don’t make a boring idea good. Same as bad special effects don’t ruin s unique idea.

Also Ryan's ark is literally getting over his disability after they forgot about it, which is just stupid.

Rosa was the episode that made me stop watching - I now only go up to the end of capaldi

"The bar is now so low that H*tler can pass it" Stuff like this is what makes me click like buttons.