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Thanks

I thought that was covered in the video, maybe it was in the Q&A that followed. No, it does not have a fuel dump. If you have an emergency and can't burn off the fuel you'll just have to land heavy and risk it.

I'd rather be on the ground in a too heavy airplane than still flying wondering if my emergency is going to get worse.

Or just start drawing straws. To see who gets to try the new Parachute in the back..I would take that straw...But I like Skydiving...

over 5 dollars a gallon... costs probably 10 grand to fill it up.... only for the rich..

Check your math. full tanks = 296 gallons * $5.00 = $1480. And if you're smart you don't pay $5/gal.

In that 2 hours you can go 700 miles though.

It is. You must be familiar with it, are you local?

EAA Chapter 150 yes I live quite close

Well, you ought to come join us at one of our meetings or our events. Next meeting will be March 17 in our new space and we have a DC-3 coming in October (probably be some other events between now and then as well). We try to keep our Facebook page current with what is going on and we also have our website www.150.eaachapter.org/ with more details.

I think it was in the Q&A that followed that someone asked about a level-d sim. I know they're putting in a better sim in the Nashville facility but can't remember any details. If I can look at the Q&A later I'll update.

The Cirrus facility is in Knoxville (KTYS). Thank you for sharing this video.

Yes, you're right. That's what I get for multi-tasking and not verifying before posting. We're currently working on the Q&A video(s) for those who want to know more.

it was a great video explaining the customer experience. If you can imagine any US Part 121 Airline captain has to go through the same certification process every 6 months. Its great to see that Cirrus has developed a similar training program for the average joe-for liability reasons or just furthering the safe flight experience.

We posted the first of the Q&A videos and Jay mentions that there will be a Level-D Sim at the facility in Knoxville, but I don't think it is there yet.

What the fuck does it even means?

Check the specs from Cirrus, the plane actually holds 2000 pounds of Jet-A which is somewhere around 300 gallons. The 172 gallons he mentioned was what he can put on when carrying 1100 pounds of passengers and gear.

172 isn't very much for a jet

Remember, that 172 gallons is at full passenger payload of 1165 pounds and still affords 1:45 with sufficient reserves (I think that is around 500 miles, but don't quote me). Normally he doesn't fly anywhere near full payload so his useful range is much higher.

He said it was about enough (maybe a touch under) to have a 2 hour flight plus 45 min for IFR reserves as required.

Not sure what you mean. When Jay referred to the Cirrus Jet being the only single engine jet in production he was correct because the Honda is a twin so it is in a different class.

but how many can be flown by a non-multi engine rated pilot? One of the selling points is you don't need a multi engine rating to fly it. That was really the point of the VLJ segment in aviation. All you need is a PPL and an IFR rating to bust into the flight levels for speed and fuel burn. These airplanes are aimed at the SR-22 or Bonanza pilot looking to step up. And the true cost of ownership is lower do to the fact you only have to maintain one engine vs two.

denny thomas except you need a type rating to fly the vision jet, so unfortunately no benefit can be had there. What I'm stating though is if you compare the vision jet to other new aircraft in that price range the jet does not fare well in range, useful load, or speed. Cirrus is aware of that though and marketing the aircraft towards a demographic that is more concerned about status than value at that price. The jet is great, innovative, and safe. It would not be my number one choice of aircraft in that price range though.

quadsurvival - I'm at a little disadvantage here because these aircraft are waaaaay out of my price range so I haven't paid much attention. From what I have heard there aren't many turboprop singles (twins increase your maintenance costs) that directly compete. Which aircraft do you see it competing against?

Hey Brian, no problem love giving out info. Like stated before Cirrus has a great safe product and its marketing and training department can't be beaten, but the jet can spec wise. Vision jets start at $1.96 mil and typical out the door price is around $2.5 mil with most common purchased options. We will look at aircraft within 20% of that price. The first is the Piper M500 $2mil and M600 $2.9mil single engine turborprops with a cruise of 260-274 knots compared to the vision's 300, but where these aircraft beat the Vision is useful load and range. The m600 has a full fuel payload of 632 pounds vs the Visions 498 M600 range is 1484 mile vs the Visions 1200 mile range all while using 35 gallons less fuel than the vision to go 284 more miles than the vision. Essientailly you get more range and payload for getting there a half hour later using less fuel. Additionally you can cruise at 30k feet in the M600 vs 28k in the Vision You can drill deeper to see how much fuel saving offsets the cost difference, but I'll move on to the next aircraft. The Eclipse 550 twin engine jet costs just under $3mil it has a full fuel range of 1125 miles with a 702 pound useful load compared to the visions 1200 miles on a 498 pound useful load. Additionally the Eclipse cruises at 375 knots at 41k feet compared to the visions 300 knots at 28k feet. In this case you get a much faster speed, a better useful load to only give up 75 miles in range, but get to 1125 miles away 45 minutes faster and using around 39 more gallons of fuel. There are more aircraft in this category, but I think these two are top compeitors. If you want to go faster with a better useful load there is an aircraft that beats the Vision jet in that price range. If you want to go slightly slower with better range, useful load and efficency there is also an aircraft that beats the Vision jet at that in the price range. Additionally the Stratos looks like an amazing jet, but it doesn't count until it gets into production.

The only turbo prop that is in the same price range is (we're talking new here not used) the TBM 850 at around 2 mil. the next one is the PC-12 double the price + 4.5 mil base. And the other point is ease of up grade for a PPL+IFR pilot, You said no advantage, Really? a type rating can be had in as little as 10 hours for competent pilot, whereas a multi engine rating + multi engine instrument rating are what, maybe 4 or 5 times that. Yes there is an advantage to the VLJ. I think it was either Plane and Pilot or AOPA that have video on KZfaq that compares all the price points and real world cost of ownership.

And then you're flying a used aircraft which, according to the Aircraft Cost Calculator, costs twice as much per hour to fly. I'm not putting down the Beech because it has a place but so does the Cirrus.

The SF50 will depreciate faster than a motor home...

Why are you so negative about an aircraft that has really just hit the market without even giving it a chance?

I don't like seeing people ripped off!

I think your idea of ripped off is not necessarily the same as a Cirrus owner. The Beech has two engines therefore maintenance is higher and so it costs roughly twice the amount per hour to fly. The Beech is used so you may be buying someone else's problems (seen that more than once). And the Beech doesn't have a parachute. For Jay's primary mission this is the perfect option. Plus it fits in the same hangar space as the SR-22 he had before this (I doubt the Beech would do that).

Have you actually flown a V-Tail Bonanza? Have you flown a V-Tail Cirrus Jet?

Yes I will fly the SF50

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Bonanza successfully produced and sold the model 35 (V-tails) from 1947 thru 1995, I believe. I've flown for 40+ years, owned 4 aircraft and my V-tail is far & away the smoothest, nicest flying machine I've experienced.