Thats how they try shut down debate. By inundating a host of such a lecture with character assassinations of truth tellers by a variety of underhand means, including misquoting them so good on Cleveland Club for allowing his talk to go ahead

Here is Ilan Pappe's official page on facebook facebook.com/pappeIlan/

#ResistHasbara

Until the need for white washing accrue

That's just an excuse to take the whole thing (annex the west bank) while maintaining apartheid.

Luis Riesco You lack understanding of the conflict. Not only the Zionists in deep irony help establish the Palestinians identify for the natives, but also their struggle and resistance. For Palestinians, their existence at the land is a resistance. The Zionists did to the Palestinians exactly what the Nazis did to the jews and other nations in Europe

Luis Riesco: A legal base? The state of Israel was unilaterally declared by a Polish Zionist immigrant to Palestine on May 15, 1948, the day afteer the Britis turned tail leaving the Palestinians to their fate. There was no pre-existing legal basis for its existence. "The UN gave approval". The UN had no land to give to anyone, & never has. The US pressurised several small western hemisphere states to vote for a Partition Plan to be put to Zionists and Palestinians. The Plan required the assent of both. Zionists accepted the Plan because they would get 55% of Palestine even though they were about a third of the population. They were getting something for nothing. Naturally the Palestinians refused because they would be losing more than half their country to recently arrived immigrants from Europe. With the refusal the Plan was dead & thus gave no legitimacy. "They bought the land". By May 1948, the Zionist Jewish National Fund had managed to buy only 7% of the land of Palestine, mainly from absentee Ottoman landlords. It's clear that as you say you don't know much about the issue, so I respectfully suggest you find out more. Cheers

Luis Riesco I think you are to be commended for the disclaimer at the beginning of your comment: that you "don't know too much about the conflict details", before going on to give your opinion "base[d] on what [you] have been learning". Too many make bold statements with the air of objective truth on this subject, and do so by giving the impression that they are an authority on the topic, despite either knowing very little about it, or having been misinformed in their search for the truth.

@@yaramay510 You can't call someone an invader or thief after you have purchased the land

@@bryn6000 Hi David, the legal base to establish a country-a nation is the will of you and other people, but it's difficult as you need at least more than 100.000 people that's the minimum to make an economy to function, and to make agree 100.000 people on the same rules is very difficult, the Israel people achieved that. The UN does not give you land, it just give you recognition as a sovereign nation, a nation means a group of people united politically with a common set of laws and rules, other nations (the United Nation) can recognize you and accept you, or not. Israel people paid the land and then declared the Independence, the arabs did not hold property rights or sovereign authority over the land

were there jews in Palestine before 1920?

@@ea4128 yes...

@@hagaiabeliovich4276 Jews were a tiny minority of the population of Palestine at the turn of the 20th century, about 5%. That's it.

Your anecdotal argument doesn’t impress me.