It was fine. It was light on the politics of the war, and mostly focused on how ordinary civilians were affected. The third act was weird, though. You think the movie is about to make a point about the consequences of violence, but it just ends.

@@archelon1012exactly. The war scenes and the mass grave scene were the main points of the movie to show how the people were affected. Honestly, the politics behind it were vague but it seemed in some points to be Anti-Trump propaganda.

@@texaswolf4655 I agree. I thought it was funny when they listed disbanding the FBI as one of the evil things the president did. This movie was definitely written by a British celebrity who doesn't know the first thing about American politics.

It was ahhh.... don't expect to leave the theater with any answers.

It was trash

I’m disappointed in how the mods for the modern day in hoi don’t properly reflect the true amount of devastation that modern warfare would cause, especially a civil war. Then again, I don’t even know where to begin trying to simulate a civil war because things like corporations, social media, etc. make it exponentially more complex.

@@drdeubs2639The problem is the population in each state doesnt decrease when you recruit from it, so they can die and you just get infinite manpower, even if you nuke every province in a state the population doesnt move an inch

Before it could really even get off the ground there are some incredibly important things that would have to be taken very quickly. 1 stealth bomber bases, fighter bases, artillery, Armour. Without airpower is over before it begins this includes the nukes. Whiteman AFB with the close proximity of Ft. Leonard Wood and Omaha, Nebraska would be incredibly tricky

​@@drdeubs2639 thing is, American young (who would be the ones forced to do most of the fighting) are too caught up in microaggressions and safe spaces that I can say with confidence, that generation will never cause a civil war. Maybe their kids that had enough of the bs, but not 19 year olds today.

The original Civil Wars death toll of 600,000 was the equivalent of 6 million today adjusted for population increase. A modern civil war would be way more devastating even than the original one

That could have been a reality if only Steiner launched his counter attack. XD

@@fredtheted3530 Yes, its all Steiner's fault :)

i don't know about that, "other rebel states" are described as Maoist-Marxist's in the film

It's because the retarded ai defends the coast and other areas instead of the Frontline

Well they were conquering regions that were loyalists to the old union don't underestimate the patriotism of an American

Carolina’s would have been loyal to CSA for sure though

A lot of nuclear weapon sites are in the territory of "Other Rebel States" tho.

Loyalists held most of the major industrial and population centres so they had a pretty big edge over the rebels

Texas and California would never agree to get along in the first place. You would need to basically need to break it down by red and blue states with pockets of blue in major cities. Interstate commerce and rail would come to a screeching halt leaving only ocean transport to supply blue states from each other.

CA is mostly red, but the blue cities take out the votes. Blue states would get help from NATO over the Atlantic ocean.

​@@jamiefowler6524I was about to say the same thing. Texans are mad as hell that so many Californians are moving to Texas and destroying it with their politics.

I like to believe the red parts of California successfully put down the blue cities and reached out to Texas. But that's why it's a fantasy.

If you watched the movie you would know exactly why they teamed up also this video was inaccurate anyways since the loyalist governement lost and we also have no idea how the borders actually looked and how much rebelling factions there were. But pretty muchwhat caused this whole debacle is the President forced a 3rd term, disbanded the FBI to prevent himself from being deposed by them, and at some point he also called an airstrike on protesters before the war kicked off. So none of this is a red vs blue issue and it didnt have to be especially since the movie is aboutthe horrors of war photography anyways and not an american civil war.

well it’s the elite and rich in cali that are controlling it. nobody will actually die for them so there will be little resistance. you have to understand, the only thing protecting the villains are the laws.

The media: The most controversial movie. Me during movie: who the fuck are floroda alliance what is the of what is the western forces , i dont understand nothing.

@@diegomoreno7760 Yeah thats kind of the point of the movie. You're NOT supposed to know whats going on you are basically a Journalist who is making the story as you go across the battlefield and even then you don't know that much of what is going on. Even at the start of the movie one of the guys was like "Whats the point of this? Once they reach DC they're just going to go back to fighting each other for power."

Imagine they were getting invaded by Hawaii or something lmao

@@Callsign_Prophet nah I feel like sense they are isolated they would just stay quiet and see who would win.

*Canada enters the chat*

@@complexsin5469Then exits the chat.

@@asricklore331Or Hawaii goes back to becoming a kingdom but isolated

The ORS will rise again!

@@dx-ek4vr The west will rise again

Nah we won by the landslide, at that point we wouldn't need to do jack shtt, the East will die on its own feces. Hollywood bs.

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wtf XD

Fr. There is literally no way they come back from only holding New England.

​@@HawksBeastbritish intervantion

@@DreerKarler That would not be enough.

⁠@@HawksBeastentire nato intervention

@@Zepellin Still wouldn’t be enough considering they’d have to plan invasions. The rebels would also probably have support.

It would be a matter of Congress pulling out the Article 5, if they did though then it wouldn't have been much of a struggle for the USA

Thanks for the feedback :)

i could see texas becoming chummy with the florida alliance and possibly shifting it to a southern alliance

I don’t see a situation where Florida and Texas don’t unite. Similar culture and values, historical basis, etc.

@@HffFhj-nm7jv exactly... way more than texas and cali lol

I believe a common hatred of the President violating the Constitution to be what brings the two together, regardless of their general disagreement on political ideologies. Everyone in the United States believes the Constitution and Bill of Rights to be sacred.

Thus leading to the California v Texas war.

Texas and California are also deserts, tho, that's the thing I never got if anything I think that's the reason they teamed up to sum up resources as much as they could, the reason I think DC won mainly bcs it could survive the attrition longer untill the states revolted against each other making the loyalists the Victor's out of attrition

The Northeast, under this scenario, would be unable to come back. Texas and California have deserts, but have way more than just deserts.​@user-cy3lv1mw7w

@kenton6804 Yeah, but it does bring up a massive problem when talking about the secession, mainly the rate of attrition. Cali itself has a single aquifer connecting to Los Angeles, their main capitol and population they need, Texas also has extreme wildfires, and drought, which is why I believe it is the reason they joined in the first place, while DC and other states have as bad they also have of a time I don't think it's as untenable as Cali or Texas they are most likely to run out of water it depends on who will Crack first, The Florida alliance is another topic they don't seem to have active combatants and we only saw them fight at day, the fight could be a harrowing one tho

@@user-cy3lv1mw7w All California needs is to secure the Colorado River from the Delta to where it meets Lake Powell, and it would have its own water needs met. The water that supplies the midwest and the east coast doesn't have any bearing on the water in the west. In fact, California is figuring out how to provide its own water through dams in the north and center of the state. All Texas needs to do to secure their water is is secure the Mississippi. In this scenario, a lot of the manufacturing centers for the "loyalists" were taken by the rebels or Florida before the stalemate occured, and the food supply in the northeast would be heavily reliant on shipping. It just doesn't seem like a tenable position.

Imagine resorting to nuclear weapons 💀 this whole scenario is stupid as fuck and anyone who gives any of it credence is a tard

so true, so excited for the movie and there was hardly any action, just some girl who gets a bunch of people killed

Think y'all misunderstood the message of the movie. The movie is anti war, and portrays the horrors of a civil war in any country. I really don't think you should pay too much attention to alliances and the little politics the movie had.

as a floridian I'm disappointed it was called florida alliance.. southern alliance would have been more suitable

@@floridaninja8521As a Floridian, you should know the history of “Spanish Florida”. That stretched from the modern Florida State, southern Georgia, across southern Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to the Mississippi River. In South East Louisiana the area is still called “The Florida Parishes”. Signifying those parishes, or counties to you, that once were a part of “West Florida”. Florida, was “East Florida”. It’s the only name with connections to 5 of the 7 states in said alliance.

​@shannondavis3686 the confederacy also has connections to those states why wouldn't a south in rebellion simply be the confederacy 2 it's the first place any of our minds go anyway.

@@southron2279 well when starting a rebellion I'm sure one wouldn't want to give off the impression that they are or were a racist lunatic, but it would make sense.

Yes the Loyalists are literally a dictatorship, they would have no problem nuking the rebels.

Internal fighting among rebel states, NATO support, Blockades, and more could cause the comeback. Keep in mind that a majority of the military is defending the USA and the rebels are just people with no training.

​@@obamahimself2885If that was the case, they wouldn't even be able to push to new England. In that case however, no comeback would be possible.

Which would then become the Texas Alliance.

@@tylerian4648or the Confederacy 2.0 XD

So would the carolinas

@@tylerian4648As a Floridian, we will not allow it to be called that.😂

If an actual civil war broke out doubt we would be called the Florida Alliance since its comprised of majority southern states they'd probably go by something like The New Confederate States of America or something close to that

yep. No need to send fancy armies in to get chewed up in cities. Just encircle them and keep moving.

lol it’s not that simple

Texas and Florida are practically best friends.

California and Texas banded together in order to restore the Union back to a proper president, not a despot... or I think that's what the story was, idk, i didn't watch the show lol

You are thinking SF/SJ/Oakland metro and LA metro outside of those two Metros California is no different than any other western state.

About the only thing they can agree on is that the Feds kinda suck.

Regardless of political ideologies, California and Texas can both agree that violating the Constitution of the United States is a bad time. That alone can be what brings them together.

It probably their allies from Europe and nato

@@Nightprideenclave_studio what Allies?

@@VideoMaster40K like uk Ireland France, Germany, Poland Italy, Canada, Australian New Zealand

@Nightprideenclave_studio why would any of them come in at the last minute?

@@VideoMaster40K well you see In realize the ship all the troops it going to take 2 or 3 days to arrive in America like In ww2

Probably because game mechanics dictated that. I’m not sure I have control over the location of a nation’s capitol

@@drdeubs2639 Not a problem. 👍

@@drdeubs2639 You can set the capitol state. For history files (for start of game) you put this: capital = 137 For an effect you can use set_capital. Like this: set_capital = {state = 345}

@@drdeubs2639Would be more realistic if South Carolina was in the Florida alliance as they share a lot of the same values. Another reason why SC should be included in that alliance is because SC holds major say in what happens in the Southern states.

@@darth3911 your reasoning is valid but I made the factions based off of a news artical that was shown in one of the trailers, so I had no say in which state would be in which faction

Nope 🙃

The numbers are the casualty numbers not the number of troops

I happened

Starvation and disease would be the biggest killers. Supply chains and farming would be disrupted. Big disaster.....

The people who make the planes would have a very high defector rate in a scenario like this, so the longer the war lasts the more air superiority would shift to the rebels. Especially the cursed Texas-California Alliance.

Every satellite is launched from a "rebel state". Every anti-satelite missile is based in a "rebel state". Every land based ICBM and almost all the bomber bases and refueling bases are located in "rebel" states. Are we beginning to see a pattern here?

forgetting about the soviet union joining the allies in WW2? history is full of enemy of my enemy is my friend and this would be one of those times.

@TotallyOriginality is that seriously your best argument? If anything, it would be more like the US fighting in both the Pacific and Europe. America vs. Japan and Germany at the same time

The story I came up with has Candidate A (The current vice president) get assassinated by Candidate B on live TV during the last debate. Instantly disqualifying both leading candidates. The electoral process is then sidestepped by the current 2 term president who declares he is assuming a 3rd term for the sake of national unity and to put down an attempted coup after an attempt is made on his life. Him unconstitutionally assuming a 3rd term rather than appointing a new VP and stepping down sets off alarm bells in many states, who secede.

This kind of sounds like the plot of prequels of star wars

The reason is that this was their very scenario in the upcoming civil war movie, hence the title.

And their capital is Atlanta

They were supposedly United against the USA

They were supposedly United against the USA

They were supposedly United against the USA

Exactly. The USA allied with the Soviets during WW2. I don't think Texas and California allying is too unrealistic, if the federal government goes full totalitarian.

They'd get wrecked

Millennium dawn mod

I don't think Texas is blue...

For the death counter I just saved the game every month during the Timelapse, and went back after the recording to get all the data in each save

@@drdeubs2639 Perfect, thanks.

I mean it’s a game 💀

Chicago has 2.7 million people. The state of Washington has 7.8 million. Oregon has 4.2 million. Minnesota has 5.7. The total population of the Other Rebel States is 23 million. I assume you are just bad at math.

@@david-1775Still a valid point. Not enough population in the other rebel states to go on the offensive.

numbers are important. But the problem with that is, are they fighting age? are they conscripts or volunteers? Health, training, etc. Lots of variables. In the civil war, at the middle of it, yes, the North's superior numbers began to take a toll on the South. Still, the north lost many battles even though they outnumbered the opposing forces. ah, who knows how it would play out?

​@@toddsummerwind Actually, I added up the numbers and the US vs all the rebels. It was 153 million vs 180 million. Not a huge difference. This is assuming our current numbers match the movie. For all I know there could have been some massive die off in the alternate US. Still my main point was that there is a lot more manufacturing in the rebel areas than in the Loyalist region. If the war stretched 4 years then it wouldn't just be about the weapons that exist at the start of the war. Oh, and most US armored units are based in rebel states. Ft. Bliss, El Paso TX; Ft. Hood/Cavasos, Kileen TX; Ft. Stewart, GA; Ft. Irwin, CA and Camp Beauregard, LA.. The loyalist states only have Ft. Carson, CO and Ft Riley, KS. Hopefully it is a good movie.

Communism isn't a bad concept it's literally a utopian society in theory, it doesn't work because political leaders have agendas, modern day Russian communism is nothing but a perversion of the concept. That said I've lived in US my whole life and capitalism is no fucking better, that system has lead to the us being no.1 in privatized prisons. No 1 in obesity (yes increased pricing make its a lot harder to maintain a healthy nutritional balance, whereas the average citizen in today's economy can barely afford anything but junk food, and thanks to the trump administration government aid on food stamps disqualifying people for make a 1/4 of the cost of living in states such as mine industry's cut job hours, and wages, while expanding the business. The wealth division has been getting worse over the past few decades as a fallout of regans trickle down economy policies. Communism may not be the answer for current political structure but neither is capitalism.

If Communism isn’t bad then why are people who left a communist country so happy that they left their country’s communist government?

Obviously you have failed at learning the ability to grasp reality with sufficient acumen to understand the difference between it and fantasy, might try spending a bit more time not smoking weed, or drinking or whatever it is that is clouding your perception@@Shingekinokyojin998

@Shingekinokyojin998 I’ll take capitalism over the sham of communism. Your gripes aren’t with capitalism but with cronyism. And by the way communism is awful. I know people who lived through it and did everything they could to get out of it. So stop your ignorant ramblings.

@blamehypocrisy.4053 have you ever actually read the works of Karl Marx? If you have you should know that what he entails in the manifesto is not in any way what the world has come to know as communism. What Russia, China, and other nations use is a tragic humanitarian violation of people's rights and lives, you will get no argument from me on that. What I'm saying is while those nations unified under what they have made communism the works of Karl Marx writer of the communist manifesto are not at all what they have made it into.

The union that has become pro slavery? You want green energy that badly

From Florida: Down with the Union.

You always were authoritarians

Just like the movie

Bro complaining about a movie like they’re supposed to be realistic, go watch documentaries if you want realism lol. Go watch band of brothers, or cant you watch documentaries that are actually good because your attention span is that of a 5 year old?

​@@sarahshaw7315Some movies should at least try to be realistic. How am I supposed to be immersed in a movie when it's this nonsensical? I can only suspend my disbelief for so long until it just gets silly.

@@arthurmartinezsantana6407 because half the movies in existence are at all sensical? Like who ever said alternate history had to follow the logic that YOU use. I mean hell wars have been won at worse odds.

@@sarahshaw7315 The fact that luck exists doesn't excuse poor writting. If a movie tries to paint itself as realistic and serious it has to follow that logic instead of just having luck solve everything. If a movie does that, the resolution to the conflict would feel cheap and unearned.