Man i just cant get it why youre so hyped about these civivis. Cause theyre sending em your way free of charge for testing? Is that it? Its ganzo all the way with the same not integrated liners (so what if they painted it brass, they are still the same stainless steel). 9crsomeshitmov and its 50 bucks. You can get broken skull for 60 bucks on amazon with powder ctsxhp, its normal brand, awesome lock, 4 inch blade and lightweight with no liners at all and the same overall toughness. Seriously???

@@don0giorgio we get it... you're a Cold Steel fanboy.

@@BornIn1500 )))))) good one. Im not a fan man, i just think its probably the best price/quality knife

Hahaha this is exactly what I was thinking!!!

So true! I knew D2 would be better, I REALLY wish they would have used D2. I would have bought all 3 models. I'm still holding off on the Civivi.

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Because you were a Virgin but so damn hardcore about it?

Totally agree with that and a lot of the other knife fads. It's really ridiculous wanting some state of the art $300 knife steel for cutting boxes and fruit.

It is soft compared with other steels, you have to resharpen it very often, it is tough and stain resistant it's definitely made for service work and beating on, it will take a decent edge quickly but lose it just as fast, that's what some people are saying and that's the truth of it, it's nothing to get butt hurt about, different steels for different things right? you don't see them using butter knife Steel in leaf springs for cars etc etc

@@krustysurfer hardness is how the maker decides to run it. Civivi seems to be getting a lot out of the steel with their heat treat.

@@JustIn-op6oy that sounds fair, what HRC are they going to on that 9CR? I know that Eafengrow is running their D2 at 60 HRC and that stuff is mean it holds a wicked toothy edge to it if you use the chromium oxide green on a strop to finish it off all my knives are dangerously Sharp I'm pretty happy with the middle of the pack D2 I'll have to look at the properties of the 9CR

@@krustysurfer from what I have seen (which admittedly is a limited set of examples) it looks like they're aiming for 58-59.

Thanks for the help , ive been curious about their steel.

@@jackfarmboy Steel is good. Bearings may not be stainless. Had it stored for three months and the bearings have rusted and seized.

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If that's your idea of raising eyebrows seductively, I'm sure it explains a ton.

Some folk mean to say "pruriently" when they say "seductively".

I thought it was basically 440c with added cobalt

@@cameronwilliams4149 yep pretty much mate!

9cr18mov is much better than 440B as knife steel, and actually although cheaper than newer super-steel is the high end of Chinese stainless steels. The composition is different than 440B; 9cr18mov contains vanadium and more molybdenum that alter the grain formations , plus nickel that add toughness, also the carbon amount on 440B most of the time is around 0.75\0.80, in 9cr18mov is almost always around 0.90\0.95. 9Cr18Mov, and is harder than both 440B and 440C. The problem is that most budget Chinese knives have totally fake specs and since isn't easy to determine the steel grade used they could sell you whatever crappy steel, claiming that is 9cr18mov (the Chinese high end) when really It isn't.

incorrect. 9cr18 isn't comparable to 440B nor 440C. 9cr18 has nickle, more chrome, more molybdenum and about 1% carbon. It's too chemically different than the 440s to being compared to them. They are different steels.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e7WhfrNqybHPnpc.html Not apples to apples, but 200 cuts vs 55? Even taking variables in medium and edge geometry, that’s much better performance from the 9cr. I’m hearing anecdotally similar performance to VG-10 and a little less retention than D2, but more stainless than D2. I like it.

The rise in quality was bound to eventually happen. It's a matter of time for certain companies and industries. People once scoffed and sneered at Japanese and Korean electronics and vehicles - not anymore.

Why are you cutting cardboard. No one needs to cut cardboard

Also been a Cold Steel guy since forever, and just got my first Civivi, the Baklash in brass. I see you also have great taste!

@@WTF-Cubing A Cold Steel guy right here as well, and for a very long time. I've been hearing the positive buzz about WE/Civivi brands, and decided to see how their action, fit and finish, and heat treat does first hand, and I'm expecting Civivi's Cogent and Mastodon flippers this week. I hope they live up to the raves.... I'll see how the 9cr18mov and the 14c28n steels do.

@@TheScotchaholic still waiting for your update

@@michaelvoorhees5978 Thanks for the reminder. Mastodon in 9cr and the Cogent in 14c both arrived hair shaving sharp, with excellent fit and finish and smooth flipper actions - the Cogent flips more quickly since it has caged ceramic ball bearings, a lighter blade and solid blade detent that favors closing. The Mastodon uses bronze washers for easier maintenance and is blade heavy for this cleaver style, therefore a bit slower - but improved with a little lubricant at the washers/pivot and some opening and closing - way better. This blade is meant for dirtier jobs since it uses washers for easier cleaning, and since it's blade heavy, it's naturally a bit slower in opening, but still smooth. As far as performance of both, the Mastodon's full flat grind makes it an excellent slicer for food (great for Cracker Barrel cheese blocks), especially with the tip (not a hard use tip) for precision cuts, and great at cardboard breakdown. The 9cr held up nicely for food and just needed some 5-8 stropes on each side with my extra fine diamond duo fold sharpener to bring it back to hair shaving sharp, after a week of food prep (the cutting board dulled the edge more than the food). The cardboard, tape, some nylon twine, and pizza boxes stopped the shaving edge in about the fourth day of moderate use, and stroped back hair sharp with 10-12 each side. Civivi's 9cr heat treatment is definitely better than other 9crs on the market and on par (from my experience) with equally well heat treated AUS8A/154cm/440c/ - the edge/blade geometry of the Mastodon also helps. The stonewashed finish hides wear very well, unlike prettier grinds that quickly shows surface wear/scratches. As far as the high flat grind Cogent goes, it's been edc'd and used very lightly for a few cardboard and thick USPS grey mailing envelopes (the tip isn't a hard use tip either) , and has hasn't needed sharpening so far. The black stonewashed finish is unaffected with it's light use. As for food, it slices well enough, but the blade isn't long enough imo, and I don't want to gunk up the bearings - I prefer the Mastodon for the kitchen/messier tasks. Both are great slicers (Mastodon is the winner if I had to choose), and I definitely used the Mastodon heavily, since it's larger handle and blade size just screams "slice and dice - all day, everyday." The Mastodon is the shirt pocket frequent user at home, while the Cogent is the outside EDC.

@@TheScotchaholic great reviews!! Thanks

I agree. At the lower price, and the 9cr, they have the competition beat (Kizer Tangram for instance) but at the higher price and VG10, they are maybe as good as , but not better than Kizer Vanguard..they loose their edge over the competition. On top of that, the majority of knives sold in the world, are to the average guy on the street, who will not notice the difference in quality, but WILL notice the difference in price. If you think I am wrong..ask Kershaw. They selll way more, by a ton, of kershaws than they do ZT's. Most knife sales are not to us knife guys, but to average everyday guys and gals, who will never even consider paying 70 bucks for a knife they use to cut a few boxes, open a package here and there, and maybe cut up an apple for lunch. The very idea of paying 75, 100, or God forbid, 200, for a pocket knife is absurd to them.

Your absolutely right. And the sad part is , the last time I was in Walmart they where selling knives that said "surgical steel" or "5cr13mov" on the blade and where getting $30 - $35 for them, it made me sick how these knife companies where basically preying on these unsuspecting people and selling that shit steel to them . There are some nice D2 or Acuto440 knives in that price range, it's sad...

The baklash is my favorite civivi. Got one about three months ago and carry it every day. What an amazing value at $42.50! I tend to want to baby my more expensive knives so it's great to have such a high quality knife that I'm not afraid to beat on.

@@brianf9619 Camillus has a D2 blade at Walmart for $20, and it is a legit D2 with a good heat treat

@@skylerbond56 what's the model name? I have a few old Camillus slipjoints that I absolutely love and would be curious to see what their modern stuff is like. For that price I would pick one up and put it in my toolbag in the car.

Kire EDC I’ve been checking out the Backlash because I did the blade shape but the Nava is a great deal and has a lot of belly...

J xcellent Sounds like a power metal band. I’ll keep my feelers out

Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors The ad-copy mentioned nothing about dragons, soaring, wings, or eagles.

I'm fairly new to sharpening and picked up a lansky. I just did my Raven 2 finishing at 1000 grit and then stropped with silverline white compound to a mirror polish and shaving sharp. Haven't tried whittling hairs but yeah probably could if I had better fine motor control and eyesight lol. Just be careful sharpening the tip. Knicked myself pretty good on my first attempt on another knife.

Thank you ! I shall now oil the ball bearings before longtime storage you saved a Damascus praxis life today haha 😂

I just picked up a praxis and it has ceramic bearings.

@@brandonp.6881 Nice. I wish mine were. I still have it all in a bag in pieces until I get new bearings. I live the povo life, and I have other knives, so I'll wait until I can afford a few sets. It's times like these that I prefer the alloy bushes that my Crooked River has. I got crud all through it yesterday and just did a partial disassemble and cleaned everything up and KPLed it. It's back to its drop-shut goodness again.

@@BradGryphonn I was expecting steel bearings,.but according to the packaging, they are ceramic.

@@brandonp.6881 Interesting. They must have changed from the originals. I got mine very early in the Civivi life. I even went so far as to order it from a US supplier and get it shipped to Oz. because I was so keen to get one. I love the knife and I know it was my fault for not oiling it before I stored it, but hey, I didn't expect the things to rot in a few months LOL.

I've got a big D too.

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don0giorgio click through the patreon page and its allll on the google sheet, hundreds of tests all graphed out. I didnt worksharp this one cos its a loaner and I dont trust myself not to tip the bloody thing!

@@CedricAda Ok man, this is your channel, it is what you say it is)) Thanks for the feedback. Re worksharp, i have ken onion edition, had the same problem with detipping, last few times though had no issue with lifting the handle up when coming to the tip on the belt, then turning off ws when blade tip is the centre of the belt

check out my video called five home sharpening systems - its got a bit about all the ones I have

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Don't cut finger tip off, everybody is watching.

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Hey bob! I would generally do facebook groups like Edc australia raffles and stuff. raffling is a good way. That being said, I havent sold or bought much in the last 6 months at all!

My only issue with it is the propensity to rust at the drop of a hat. Other than that, it's GREAT!

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Because they're a budget steel, and don't hold up to more expensive steels

@@privateassman8839 they may be budget but still some have its benefits

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Many trash anything that is not "super steel" or just simply made in China. I can guarantee you, that most "super steel" knife owners aren't knife users

this one has 9cr, says so on the packaging and site

@@CedricAda You're right. My apologies. You'd think I'd have learned by now to double check my memory before making comments.

@@ckurtz1013 Well you're not completely wrong. When they first hit the market they were using 9cr18mov. The they released.a few with vg-10. The newer models are using D2. But prices are steadily increasing. I think they had a nice market niche with the prices on their 9cr18mov. Moving from $42 to $70‐$80. Is pushing the boundary of budget.

@@abc456f THey were introduced at the Blade Show in 2018, where many of their knives did have 9Cr18MoV blades, but by the time they were actually available through my distributor, there was only 1 still offered in 9Cr18MoV. All the rest were either VG10 or D2, and according the people I spoke with at this years Blade Show they have no plans to make any more in 9Cr18MoV.. As for price, the cheapest one I've ever been able to get had an MSRP of just over $50.00, so I don 't really see them as raising prices all that much. Instead I see people who were fortunate enough to get some pre-official release stock selling them at extremely low margines to get the brand known. Considering they've only been officially selling knives here in the States for just 13 months now, I think they're doing extremely well to be so well known.

Lol huh?....are you "pro virgin edge"? "Forcing" .... it's not edge rape lol And if you get your edge drunk it will probably say yes lol Every one has to lose there V card some day lol

I only like flippers. I've tried thumbstuds and the Spidey hole and have actually cut myself. Obviously it works fine for a ton of people, but I say instinctively, it's poor form to open a knife by flipping your thumb towards the opening cutting edge.