6.4L Hemi Ram Power Wagon VS 7.3 Godzilla Ford Super Duty | What's the Better Gas Truck?

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CJC Off Road

CJC Off Road

Күн бұрын

Many of you have asked us if we prefer the Hemi Rams or Godzilla Fords, so we borrowed a customer truck to film a head to head comparison video and give our feedback after driving and seeing hundreds of each truck in our shop. If you're shopping for a gas truck, this is a must watch!
0:00 Intro
00:41 Engine Comparison 6.4 hemi
02:06 Engine Comparison 7.3 Godzilla
03:53 Transmission Comparison
04:19 Transmission Hemi Ram
05:11 Transmission Comparison 7.3 Ford
06:27 Fuel Economy
07:41 Off Road Potential
10:54 Conclusion
#cjcoffroad #hemiram #godzillaford

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@tylerdavis2492
@tylerdavis2492 Жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure he said the 7.3 was OHC. That would not be true. 7.3 is a pushrod engine.
@evansorensen7911
@evansorensen7911 Жыл бұрын
Man until I saw you two together I always thought it was the same fella
@jasonpitts8395
@jasonpitts8395 Жыл бұрын
It is
@Daniel-1-1-1
@Daniel-1-1-1 Жыл бұрын
CJC boys are the best…literally drove 5-6 hours to my house next day when a part was wrong…that’s real customer service…will never buy parts from anyone else but them
@Cainexavier
@Cainexavier Жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome - hope all is well with you and your families!
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
Thank you! You too!
@michaelholliday6037
@michaelholliday6037 Жыл бұрын
I wish you guys were in Florida! The way you guys build these trucks from good to great is outstanding. The wheel and tire combos are second to none! Also, the suspension systems are pure beast mode! Thank you for your channel!
@jeanphilippepoitras
@jeanphilippepoitras Жыл бұрын
Yep, i also wish they were a bit closer, my PW would get a nice suspension setup☝🏻
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
We work with partner installers all over the country!
@jeanphilippepoitras
@jeanphilippepoitras Жыл бұрын
@@CJCOffRoad i am near Quebec Canada, and dreaming about a trip to see you guy’s
@1qforan
@1qforan 10 ай бұрын
stop in Niagara on the way by...ill go to.. i need my 1500 Built2Serve done!! @@jeanphilippepoitras
@GYMGUYFE
@GYMGUYFE 8 ай бұрын
@@CJCOffRoadwhat is the mod list on your power wagon? Love your channel!
@keewatin427
@keewatin427 Жыл бұрын
Both those trucks look ABSOLUTELY amazing 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🔥🔥🫡
@Jassman3536
@Jassman3536 Жыл бұрын
I have a 20 F250 with the 7.3 and the Carli 3" level with some extra parts from Carli. Love the truck and have logged over 50k miles and do not plan on trading it in for a while. I have also added some 37 12.5 x 20 Falkin Wildpeaks, a 5 star tune and dual exhaust from cat back. The truck still pulls all the same front-end loaders, bobcats and boats long haul as my diesels did. Next truck will also be another 7.3 probably in 2025 once the economy changes
@StrateOutdoors
@StrateOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Is it still running good? I almost bought one but started hearing bad news
@r.b.587
@r.b.587 Жыл бұрын
I have an f250 Tremor on order with the 7.3 in XLT trim. Was planning to have it upgraded with Carli to help smooth out the suspension for longer family overlanding trips. Still on the fence about canceling to order a PW, but I might want to put some kind of camper or shell on the back so that is keeping my decision towards the Ford....but man that PW looks so awesome and performs good right off the line. Not sure what I'll end up doing. Thanks for the good videos!
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
If you plan to do any kind of weight in the bed, you'll be happier in the Ford!
@sun_dreaming
@sun_dreaming Жыл бұрын
@@CJCOffRoad How much weight are we talking? Would the Power Wagon handle a Four Wheel Campers Project M well?
@JohnSmith-dj5gf
@JohnSmith-dj5gf Жыл бұрын
The payload rating on my 22 F350 Tremor 7.3L is 3850lbs. The Power Wagon is 1500lbs. If you’re overlanding with lots of mods and gear that weigh a lot go with the Tremor.
@OilCityOutdoors
@OilCityOutdoors Жыл бұрын
I was surprised to hear you guys compliment the transmission on the 7.3. I’ve been in the market for one of these trucks for a while now and when I went to the f-250 tremor Facebook pages and asked about reliability issues with them and the 10 speed transmission was the most frequent thing I heard about
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
You'll hear the same thing about the 68 on the Ram forums, too yet we see VERY few failures from either in the rear world behind the gas trucks. The forums are always filled with issues by nature since people that are just driving their truck don't go on them!
@OilCityOutdoors
@OilCityOutdoors Жыл бұрын
@@CJCOffRoad well that was what surprised me, I joined some power wagon groups and tremor groups to get an idea of what issues were (primarily because I’ve heard so many issues with power wagon transmissions) but I only heard complaints about the older 66RFE. Guys with the new 68 didn’t have many complaints at all about it and said it’s been a huge improvement over the 66
@slidewide1999
@slidewide1999 Жыл бұрын
@@OilCityOutdoors the 66rfe was the gas application, the 68rfe is for the diesel. The 68 is still used for the 5th gen trucks, the 66 was replaced by the zf 8speed.
@OilCityOutdoors
@OilCityOutdoors Жыл бұрын
@@slidewide1999 yep, that’s the one I meant to say. Thought something didn’t sound quite right with that 68 in a power wagon lol. But point being I haven’t heard any complaints with the new 8 speed in the ram but I’ve heard lots of complaints with the 10 speed on the 7.3
@AmericanSurvival001
@AmericanSurvival001 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s a Ford thing. I don’t know why this is I have lots of friends and I kid you not my Friends Who Dr., Fords tend to be truth stretchers bullshitters I don’t know why that is why they feel they have to defend Ford why does it need defending? Because they all have problems with every engine and every transmission that’s why they have to stretch the truth. I’ve caught many my friends in lies about not fixing his 10 speed when we discovered it behind the dealership for 10 days when he said he was out of town lol he was not. He was repairing his 10 speed transmission luckily, under warranty and two of our other friends have repaired theirs as well. Nobody that drives a Dodge in our group has repaired the transmission just know that that power wagon will eat that piece of shit 7.3 all day long all year long every month and it’ll still be running and you won’t need a credit card with $1000 capacity to repair it. It seems that many guys that drive Fords that are older tend to be Democrats go figure it just shows you their mentality and it helps you understand why they will represent Ford! All day long, knowing it’s repair and fixed daily.
@jeanphilippepoitras
@jeanphilippepoitras Жыл бұрын
Nice PW color choice guy’s☝🏻👍🏼
@proudamerican5518
@proudamerican5518 Ай бұрын
Great video. I would say that the 7.3 has more than a slight advantage over the 6.4 though…45-55 ft lbs depending on year, and making 400+ ft lbs at 1500 rpm. The 6.4 isn’t even close. If your off road truck will ever be towing, particularly with 37” tires, that 7.3 will destroy the 6.4. Additionally, the SD offers a 4.30 axle ratio as opposed to the 4.10. Just my opinion, but that 7.3 is superior to the 6.4 in every way. I actually think the tremor itself is superior to the power wagon, but some of that will be preference, so to each their own on that.
@toddbrimer5672
@toddbrimer5672 Жыл бұрын
Over head valve not cam.
@precisionmarksmanshiphq773
@precisionmarksmanshiphq773 Жыл бұрын
I have been enjoying TF out of my Power Wagon...I purchased the Backcountry Kit, and a set of 704s...it's a beast offroad.
@redspain349
@redspain349 Жыл бұрын
When I go to the mountains I’ve gotten up to 18.9 on my power wagon. I get it quite consistently. Around town if I baby it i’ll get around 12.8 to 13.1. If I drive it regularly I’ll get 10.9 to 11.5
@robertgoodrich8953
@robertgoodrich8953 Жыл бұрын
My 2022 PW gets 8-9 mpg in town. I usually have he a/c running, so that may be contributing.
@michaelw6263
@michaelw6263 Жыл бұрын
^Same I have a 2022 PW getting 9-9.6 in town and 13 on the highway. Definitely didn't buy it for the mileage, but I wouldn't mind if it was a bit better. I've only done the minimum upgrades so far, exhaust, cold air, etc. Didn't help much, just sounds a lot better.
@tkpmw3
@tkpmw3 Ай бұрын
50,000 miles on my 22 Power Wagon, only issue I’ve had was a bad amp for my audio system that was causing a rumble/thud sound coming from the speakers. They replaced the amp and haven’t had one issue since.
@billmarcus7257
@billmarcus7257 Жыл бұрын
I’d love to own that ford in red!
@StrateOutdoors
@StrateOutdoors Жыл бұрын
I'm on the cusp of buying a 2021 2500 Big Horn, has maybe a 3" lift, and upgraded wheels/tires. States a 3000# payload. I'm getting a Bundutec camper next year, wet weight 2k. Input on this? I was looking at F250 7.3L but started getting wind of horror stories on the new designs, my mechanic agreed...
@tompeebles6273
@tompeebles6273 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a video on large replacement midship gasonine tanks or adding a 2nd aux tank for the HEMI
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
Sadly we've yet to find a good and legal stock location larger capacity gas tank for the PW. Lots of diesel options, but nothing for gas trucks.
@gregjames5070
@gregjames5070 Жыл бұрын
Transfer flow makes a 58 gallon replacement tank for 2020-22 super duty gas trucks
@DeanGooding
@DeanGooding 10 ай бұрын
Definitely have to agree with the “car like” driving experience of the F-250. My wife drives mine maybe once a week and finds it easy to park and maneuver. 11:37
@JustinKingOffroad
@JustinKingOffroad Жыл бұрын
i have been able to verify 15.5 at the pump on my power wagon, but it was ethanol free gas (hard to find in CO) and backroad highways at 65 mph for 3 hours. i was shocked. and i'm on 35s too. my next truck will be a super duty though, i'm ready to get back into one.
@wirebrush
@wirebrush Жыл бұрын
No surprise here. I've got over 18mpg with my 2016 on 37" ATKO2 on multiple trips using non ethanol fuel and driving on 60 mph back roads.
@AmericanSurvival001
@AmericanSurvival001 Жыл бұрын
That will be great for the rest of us, as you will be able to come back and give us a real world data on reliability when beating a vehicle and comfort as well. The power wagon is unbeatable, and I know one thing when you get in the 73 you will lose, 2 miles per gallon. Regardless of driving conditions.
@Grizzlyhillbilly
@Grizzlyhillbilly Жыл бұрын
What mount are you using for the light pods on the front bumper?
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
Here's a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/ford-lighting-kits/products/ford-super-duty-20-on-7-xl-linkable-kits
@perez2451
@perez2451 Жыл бұрын
Great job guys,, quick question , is possible increase payload and keeping off-road specs on the Power Wagon? Thanks 👍
@logic_paradox
@logic_paradox Жыл бұрын
Acceptable options are full! It is important to understand that if we are talking about an expedition car, with a camper or a large supply of equipment, then the main enemy on the road is no longer the suspension, but the weight of the car as a whole. Therefore, losing a little in the capabilities of the suspension, you do not lose in the capabilities of the car as a whole, because. these possibilities will be undercut by the weight itself. And so, if under a camper, then R2 coil from Carli, or even an air bag with Daystar cradles. If you only occasionally tow something, then you can get by with Timbren pillows. I apologize for the sloppy language.
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
The Carli R2 high capacity coils themselves have over a 2k pound capacity, but nothing will legally increase the GVWR of the truck as that’s determined by the axles, frame, cooling system etc. Power Wagons have a Max payload of around 1,200 pounds from the factory, and we recommend respecting that. The nice thing is that with these coils, you can run that payload and be comfortable rather than on the bump stops.
@wirebrush
@wirebrush Жыл бұрын
​@@CJCOffRoad Your response is fairly nonsensical since the Power Wagon frame, axles, brakes, cooling system, etc is either the same parts as the standard 2500 or only slightly changed in ways that don't weaken the part at all (ie different frame only due to extra mounts for the skid plates). The springs are really the only change responsible for the reduced payload. This is really the biggest difference between the Power Wagon and the Tremor. The Power uses soft linear rate springs to optimize articulation for off road performance while the Tremor sticks with standard stiff HD 3/4 ton springs to allow for a higher payload, but it sacrifices off road capability and off road ride.
@jedwards100able
@jedwards100able Жыл бұрын
​@wirebrush you really don't know knothing about vehicles. As a certified Ford & GM factory tech I assure you changing rear springs isn't a wise decision. These packages have multiple things to work together like front suspension has to be compatible with rear. Also payload being light it my not come with as heavy duty coolers for Transmission. Or Trans filter oil cooler ect. These manufacturers don't put no more than needed on a vehicle due to profit margin. They build truck for special purpose. Power Wagon my have better air filtration, lighter coolers smaller coolers for clearance. Like Ford & GM tow package trucks came with external Trans filters, class 4 or 5 hitch takes 4" or 4.5" square hole drop hitch. Leafsprings had special leafs only applied in heavy weights. Heavy ft springs or GM had much larger diameter torshen bar. Even the Chevy 2500 in the 90's had 7700 GVW that had emissions was between 1500 & std 8200 gvw 2500. Had extra long leaf spring over 6500 gvw 1500. But had 500 lb spring heavier coil spring in the front or larger torshen bar. Had LT tires used a sertain size that were rated bottom of LT top of 6ply not 8ply like on 2500. So because it says its a 3/4 ton doesn't mean its spec like all 3/4 ton trucks other than minor thing you think. That's like my buddy owns Transmission shop & he can't stand when people trash talk their vehicles that they use to tow with that's not spec to pull heavy long periods or as work vehicle. They won't listen when he tries to explain there 3/4 Tom isn't spec to be a tow rig. Trying to show them there truck has a 12K pound Class 3 hitch when his identical truck has 25K pound Class 5. They want argue say isn't factory.
@wirebrush
@wirebrush Жыл бұрын
@@jedwards100able For someone who claims such credentials, you show a serious lack of knowledge about the platform with that response. Shouldn't surprise anyone who has dealt with typical "certified auto techs" in the last several years though. Please point us to any differences in the cooling system parts between a Power Wagon and the standard 2500. I'll wait. RAM didn't even bother to change the tpms settings in the software for the Power Wagon even though it's larger tires and lower payload don't require as much pressure. It would have cost nothing to make that concession to lower payload, yet they kept it the same. The Power Wagon also retains the class V receiver used by the standard 2500. Feel free to point out any differences in the transmission between the two while you are at it.... or anything else specific rather than making uninformed generalizations and guesses. BTW- I'm well aware of the odd 1/2 and 3/4 ton bastardizations GM built. I owned a 6 lug light duty Chevy 2500 a couple decades ago. It was a great off road platform with a stout drivetrain, brakes, steering, etc well suited to dealing with oversized tires and a suspension soft enough to flex.
@trentherring5640
@trentherring5640 Жыл бұрын
This video was released 2 days ago. They are talking about the 6.2, which doesn't exist anymore? Speed watching at this point. Obviously not up to date.
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
This covers anything pre 23. Notice how neither truck shown is a 23 model year. Lots of people are still looking for information on trucks that aren't the current MY!
@BTDrgonzo
@BTDrgonzo Жыл бұрын
Base ford motor is now a 6.8, smaller version of the 7.3. No 6.2 is available any more. And the Ram 8 speed comes on the low output diesel/2500 Ram and they are seeing issues with them.
@Icutmetal
@Icutmetal 2 ай бұрын
8 speed on the diesel Ram, huh?
@destroytheilluminati770
@destroytheilluminati770 Жыл бұрын
nephews 2020 7.3 f350 has non stop issues with it since he bought it, transmission issues initially but was fixed under warranty, now camshaft/lifter issues just under 40,000 miles. Ford says tough shit because it wasn't serviced at a ford dealership, Nephew will probably sue Ford under lemon law for the 2nd time, 1st one was a 2003 F150 he bought new. Will go back to Ram after he sues Ford
@JRsVsO
@JRsVsO Жыл бұрын
You are literally comparing apples to oranges. The PW is built for off road with almost the same towing capacity as my 1500 5.7 rebel. Where the 7.3 Ford super duty is made for hauling and more towing capacity. For a fair comparison do a 7.3 against a Ram limited 6.4, other than the displacement and 10 speed compared to the 8 speed that would be a better comparison.
@shawnriddle3018
@shawnriddle3018 Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Ram over the Ford. I prefer steel over aluminum. I prefer lockers. I prefer coil spring 4 link rear for articulation. Ford switched to coil on their Raptor. I prefer the Rams interior. I prefer the Rams looks. I prefer NOT having to get out in mud and snow to lock my front axles on the hub like on the Ford. I prefer the original Heavy Duty 4x4 since 1934. Ford 4x4 1959.
@richvangorder3900
@richvangorder3900 Жыл бұрын
The Tremors hubs are just vacuum bypasses. Its a cool feature. Ive lost a vacuum line on the trail before leaving my transfer case useless. This eliminates that and gives you a backup. You engage the transfer case like any other 4x4 in todays market. From the cabin
@DM-tf6mk
@DM-tf6mk Жыл бұрын
Both trucks look so badass! I'm in the market for a new truck and not sure what direction I'm leaning. Going gas, I don't want to deal with the diesel nonsense. With prices the way they are, I'm actually looking to go 24 Silverado HD. You get more for your money..
@ripfletching
@ripfletching Жыл бұрын
I like this new Ford
@CVTejas
@CVTejas Жыл бұрын
what about a towing comparison?
@gen-x-zeke8446
@gen-x-zeke8446 Жыл бұрын
The 35,000 mile Godzilla special. They should have never namerd it after a legendary figure if it barely lasts 40,000 miles. $70,000 on unproven products; I guess that goes on us. They should compare the 6.8 "Baby-Zilla" to the 6.4 next to be a bit more even.
@PNW_Rodeo
@PNW_Rodeo Жыл бұрын
The Ford 7.3L are very nice trucks. I'm a huge fan of the engine and absolutely love the Tremors. However, I work for a Ford dealer and currently have several SD 10-speed trucks out back waiting on transmission components. All less than 50k miles. Until that's resolved I'll wait to buy one.
@freedomisntfree_44
@freedomisntfree_44 Жыл бұрын
Crazy who drives a ram there’s a problem with ford 😂
@PNW_Rodeo
@PNW_Rodeo Жыл бұрын
@Silent but Deadly I own and drive many brands of vehicles including Ford, GMC, Ram, Isuzu, Toyota and Infinity (Nissan). Facts about what sits behind our shop are just that. It comes down to who makes good quality vehicles, and no one is at the top currently.
@CornFed_3
@CornFed_3 Жыл бұрын
Ford has had issues with the 10-speeds since they released them in the Super Duty. It’ll be interesting to see how the transmission holds up behind the High Output Powerstroke.
@jibrilthegreat35
@jibrilthegreat35 Жыл бұрын
@@CornFed_3 i drive a 21 super duty 6.7L with the 10 speed, currently 43K miles and the transmission has been good, so far. Ill report when it goes over 100K miles.
@jibrilthegreat35
@jibrilthegreat35 Жыл бұрын
@@TravisTheSavage my truck is a service truck, it weighs 20,000 lbs. so its working hard 100% of the time. Like I said mileage is not very high yet. But I should be at 100. K in 12-18 months and Ill report then
@danielwhite2373
@danielwhite2373 Жыл бұрын
Transmissions are the issue with the damn wagons. Mine went out 3 times in 3 years. Other than that it was sweet.
@MrStaybrown
@MrStaybrown Жыл бұрын
How? What did they find?
@keither7731
@keither7731 7 ай бұрын
I believe Cal Banks can do a 9 speed Genuine Allison transmission for your Ram Chevy uses the same 10 speed transmission as the ford, but use a playon words saying there is Allison branded. I have read that if you need a part for chevy 10 speed & the GM dealer is out, go to the ford dealer, use the same part number. Just remember they joined forces to build this together.
@life_iz_a_beach
@life_iz_a_beach Жыл бұрын
Where is that lake locating?)
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
That's actually the ocean down in Baja!
@fozzybear9114
@fozzybear9114 9 ай бұрын
Dodges are the most reliable trucks on the road. Never had one back to dealer. Fords have had MANY recalls and lawsuits like chevy
@konnerkosobucki3144
@konnerkosobucki3144 Жыл бұрын
Why do these absolutely giant engines make such low numbers? I understand truck engines are different but the 5.0 f150s are not far behind at all power wise the the 7.3 but have 2.3 whole less litres. Or the 6.4 in the scatpacks make more power than the truck version, why?
@professorx7398
@professorx7398 Жыл бұрын
Typically the lower the power numbers the longer the engine lasts. Truck engines are built to be "under powered" for the sake of longevity. High horsepower engines typically don't last as long running at peak output.
@DanMar5858
@DanMar5858 11 ай бұрын
“High Horsepower” engines also tend to rev much higher too. But most people seem to ignore that very important fact. Lower RPMs also contribute to longevity and these HD truck engines make most of their power at a lower RPM as well.
@sly9263
@sly9263 Жыл бұрын
What's the better gas truck? Look at the payload and towing capacities- real simple answer there.
@wirebrush
@wirebrush Жыл бұрын
If payload and towing capacity are what makes a better truck then everyone should be driving F-550s and Ram 5500s, right? Everyone has different needs. My Power Wagon is used almost solely for taking me and my wife and our camping and fishing gear up Jeep trails to high mountain lakes. I don't need or want stiff heavy duty springs for crawling over rocks, ruts and boulders, but I want a beefy drivetrain that isn't going to puke out CVs or pretzel tie rods with 37" tires and 10k lbs is plenty of towing capacity to occasionally haul around a car or Jeep.
@sly9263
@sly9263 Жыл бұрын
@@wirebrush your application doesn't require a truck and based on your description would be better suited with an SUV or crossover, so it's not part of he conversation of what's a better truck.
@wirebrush
@wirebrush Жыл бұрын
@@sly9263 A) I'm not hauling dead elk in the back of an SUV and B) there's not a crossover in existence that will pull a loaded car trailer or traverse any of the trails I drive. Stock Jeeps can't go to the places I go. Hard to believe, but not everyone needs a pickup to haul heavy loads. If they did then there would be no use for 1/2 ton pickups which probably outsell HD pickups by a wide margin.
@darryladams519
@darryladams519 Жыл бұрын
I didn't know the ram 392 and the ford 445 were in Europe
@catharynreyes2438
@catharynreyes2438 9 ай бұрын
What reliability the ram has the same cam & lifter failures as the ford.
@mattdagger1480
@mattdagger1480 Жыл бұрын
Wheres the gm????
@wonderfultrucks
@wonderfultrucks Жыл бұрын
You guys look like you could be brothers
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
We are!
@medicchester
@medicchester 11 ай бұрын
Hire me, Please, I own 2021 Molten Orange 2500 Power wagon OEM thats mine and its great. I'm an Army medic Veteran, used the Army issued power wagons in Northern Iraq.
@gregsims2428
@gregsims2428 Жыл бұрын
BUYER BEWARE! Ford had to buy my 2020 f250 and 2022 f250 . Bad torque converters and transmission problems. I am driving a Ram 2500 6.4 now. There are many KZfaq videos of these problems with Ford and yes, I understand all makes have their problems. All of this happened before 10,000 miles.
@Josh47147
@Josh47147 Жыл бұрын
Where was the gm gas 6.6?
@kona6451
@kona6451 Жыл бұрын
seems like an easy choice.
@ColemanAsCode
@ColemanAsCode Жыл бұрын
As my daily, interior feel/finish + ride quality is why I went PW over Super Duty. Couldn’t get past the plastic bits in the Ford.
@clifft7832
@clifft7832 Жыл бұрын
Chrysler build quality?
@ColemanAsCode
@ColemanAsCode Жыл бұрын
@@clifft7832 What about it?
@wirebrush
@wirebrush Жыл бұрын
The Power Wagon will really ride like a Cadillac if you drop the tire pressure to a level commensurate with the payload restrictions and tire size. Ram really messed up by giving the Power Wagon larger tires and lower payload but stuck with the same tire pressure requirements as the standard 2500.
@highwayman1218
@highwayman1218 Жыл бұрын
I have used both F250s and currently RAM 2500s for my work trucks.... I run them hard and they get alot of miles. My time with the RAMs has confirmed why the old saying of Dodges make great rolling boxes for Hemi swaps are out there.... JUNK They have to be handled with kid gloves and still are always sitting at the dealer for repairs. The F250s have been absolute anvils and a 7.3 or 6.8 is on my list for truck purchase.
@ncurc9766
@ncurc9766 Жыл бұрын
We run superduty 6.2s for my work, most are them are 10+ years old with over 100k miles and im shocked how well they hold up, we run them hard, id consider it severe duty, running 20+ hours a day including idle time, im not brand biased, but they are absolute workhorses, id buy one in a heartbeat
@highwayman1218
@highwayman1218 Жыл бұрын
@@ncurc9766 2nd that. 👍
@austinbarwick7548
@austinbarwick7548 Жыл бұрын
Ford is kind of a standard. Owns the headlight patent.
@jacob-kf2gf
@jacob-kf2gf Жыл бұрын
I believe with the new 24s they dumped the old gasser and now you can only get the 7.3
@CornFed_3
@CornFed_3 Жыл бұрын
Incorrect. Ford dropped the 6.2L and now has a new 6.8L gasser along with the 7.3L motor.
@DarvinStjohn
@DarvinStjohn Жыл бұрын
Idk all our 250s have the 7.3 as well as the transmission we got on out of trucks. We are a Lineman company and I can say they’re dropping like flys. All have heads issues and transmission taking shits. Ngl sounded great at first liked them but every single fucking truck hasn’t made it to 20-60k miles without motor or transmission issues……
@poorfatman5317
@poorfatman5317 Жыл бұрын
I thought they discontinued 7.3 for the 6.8
@toecutter1547
@toecutter1547 6 ай бұрын
Hey there Bros. Ive had exc luck with the Ram 6.4 engine and love every truck that came with it inc my 2020 Ram power wagon. So you can all sleep with your sister if you think godzero is better. Yes even my 97 7.3 powersuck suckd night nite!
@BiggieB4
@BiggieB4 Жыл бұрын
Biggest beef I have with Ram in general, I'm 6'7" tall......... EVERY Ram I have been in I have to duck over or slouch while sitting...... None of the current generation would be of interest to me. But then again I am an abnormal height......
@zxtenn
@zxtenn 4 ай бұрын
I hope that Ford 7.3 engine design is better than any of those power stroke lemons, seems every power stroke model is TROUBLE
@triedandtrue1820
@triedandtrue1820 Жыл бұрын
Ford always have less displacement against competitors, not any longer... everyone was like wtf 😅
@AkioWasRight
@AkioWasRight Жыл бұрын
Which gas engine will eat cams and lifters the fastest?
@PNW_Rodeo
@PNW_Rodeo Жыл бұрын
That's the Hemi 5.7
@BackcountryPassport
@BackcountryPassport Жыл бұрын
The 5.3 has entered the chat
@benjaminwayneb
@benjaminwayneb Жыл бұрын
Anything Hemi wins that title.
@kenj.8897
@kenj.8897 Жыл бұрын
It's a toss up lol
@Lq32332
@Lq32332 Жыл бұрын
Currently 7.3 Godzilla is having the cam + lifter issue and it’s early- on average in the 30k mile range.
@brianflynn5491
@brianflynn5491 Жыл бұрын
Just let the track hawk, take it out lol
@yuzeyang8847
@yuzeyang8847 Жыл бұрын
PW owner here, I have to say 7.3 10spd and 4.3 combo is better, a lot of people reporting 17-18 hwy mpg. If 2022 ford had better interior I think I will end up with a tremor.
@tomkelly3896
@tomkelly3896 Жыл бұрын
Bs on 17.....im getting 12....so is everyone else i talk to
@yuzeyang8847
@yuzeyang8847 Жыл бұрын
@@tomkelly3896 okay, steady speed at 75mph people get 18mpg and the video is on KZfaq. People have different driving habit so we can only rely on the mpg during this conservative driving. Here in CA we have people driving more than 80mph in truck and passing everyone, they definitely don't get 18 mpg
@richvangorder3900
@richvangorder3900 Жыл бұрын
Ive hyper mile my Tremor a couple times just for research. Best i got was 16 mpg. And that was literally the most absurdly slow accels and long stops to artificially increase the mpg. Never even broke 59mph to do it either
@fireant1272
@fireant1272 10 ай бұрын
Wow all i hear are bad things about the fords 10 speeds. My buddies is getting a new one anyday in his f250 less then 35k miles.😂
@1gr8oil
@1gr8oil Жыл бұрын
Not a good comparison as the RAM POWER WAGON is heavier, and does not have the PAYLOAD or TOWING capacities compared to the 3500 FORD HD.
@allenallen5005
@allenallen5005 Жыл бұрын
Reliability has never been dodges strong point though.
@Livin4Legacy
@Livin4Legacy 10 ай бұрын
Until recent years...they are super reliable now. A whole bunch of guys around me have switched to RAM and not one of us (a dozen or so) have had an issue. I've got 54k on mine and not one even minor thing. Smooth as the day I bought it.
@lobbyrobby
@lobbyrobby Жыл бұрын
In 10 years I'll pick up a used godzilla
@PatriotDad
@PatriotDad Жыл бұрын
The 6.2 is no more
@tanman57
@tanman57 Жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever towed with a 6.4??? Because I literally just towed about 15k with one today in a 5500 and was red lined on the on ramp without being able to get to speed. Those hemis are trash for actual work
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
We have and lots of people tow just fine with them! We'd prefer a Cummins every time towing, but it's realistically not a bad engine.
@tomlorenzen4062
@tomlorenzen4062 Жыл бұрын
Ford guy here, but 15k is a lot of weight
@outfitr9703
@outfitr9703 Жыл бұрын
15000 lbs. with a small gas v8? What did you expect?
@MrStaybrown
@MrStaybrown Жыл бұрын
I don't see a redline on my 6.4 hemi tach. I've hauled a ton in the bed and the truck didn't even feel it. I've also hauled a gooseneck loaded with 2 pallets of 16 inch stepping stones and it ran just fine, I hauled it from 4700 feet elevation to 6500 feet elevation with ease. No redline, no struggle.
@GMbowtie350
@GMbowtie350 Жыл бұрын
The real question is who buys a 5500 with a gas engine?
@jibrilthegreat35
@jibrilthegreat35 Жыл бұрын
Ford and Ram Hd trucks are real trucks, unlike the GM trucks
@jeremytegland6663
@jeremytegland6663 Жыл бұрын
Yup, status symbol trucks. I see more duramax's used as daily drivers than work trucks.
@jibrilthegreat35
@jibrilthegreat35 Жыл бұрын
@@jeremytegland6663 me too honestly, most with big lift kits and fox reservoir shocks, although the vast majority dont even go off road. And the worst offenders are the ones with 22 inch wheels and low profile off road tires. 🤮🤮
@steveyork8069
@steveyork8069 Жыл бұрын
The other ford gas motor is 6.8 not 6.2.🤷🏼‍♂️
@CJCOffRoad
@CJCOffRoad Жыл бұрын
The 17-22 body shown was a 6.2 or 7.3 option. The 6.8 is new for 23 is is the high output 6.7 PSD.
@outfitr9703
@outfitr9703 Жыл бұрын
Both cost too much
@robertstingley1867
@robertstingley1867 Жыл бұрын
dont make a 6.2 anymore 6.8 is the standard engine.
@Rommer2258
@Rommer2258 Жыл бұрын
The gas trucks off-road are substantially better off-road. Personally I think the ram is a better platform overall. But the Fords have telescoping steering wheels so that's the winner now
@Polack-ml9fh
@Polack-ml9fh Жыл бұрын
The hemi 6.4 is hot garbage in a work truck.
@melanehme3661
@melanehme3661 Жыл бұрын
The Fords are better, you're saying it yourselves even when having "a Dodge legacy bias" 🤣🤣🤣
@leewainwright3526
@leewainwright3526 Жыл бұрын
6.4 only 410 bhp 😂
@BIGGIEBAG-XL
@BIGGIEBAG-XL Жыл бұрын
The 7.3 has 430 hp lol
@slidewide1999
@slidewide1999 Жыл бұрын
@@BIGGIEBAG-XL dude, 5% more hp is a total game changer…or not lol
@tomkelly3896
@tomkelly3896 Жыл бұрын
You cant feel 20 hp...so its the same
@tomkelly3896
@tomkelly3896 Жыл бұрын
@@BIGGIEBAG-XL 420
@MrStaybrown
@MrStaybrown Жыл бұрын
​@Tom Kelly it's lost throughout the drivetrain and tires anyway. No vehicle actually puts the numbers to the ground. Ford ABS prevents dyno testing, it'll just keep applying the brakes so you cannot dyno it.
@blkmoon5596
@blkmoon5596 Жыл бұрын
Ford is now pushing a 6.8-liter over the 7.3 tells me that the 7.3 has more issues than just issues with the whole fuel system that everyone is having. The 6.4 is a old platform and issues have been addressed and fixed. I really like the 7.3 but Ford really needs to address all the issues with the 7.3 and fix them. With them pushing the 6.8 now makes my worried that Ford isn't going to fix the issues with the 7.3 in future Fords. Just my thought.
@freedomisntfree_44
@freedomisntfree_44 Жыл бұрын
It’s the same engine as the 7.3 you idiot 😂 can’t believe how stupid some of these comments are. No issues with the fuel system on any 7.3
@benjaminwayneb
@benjaminwayneb Жыл бұрын
No one is having fuel system issues and the 6.8 is a smaller option to replace the old 6.2.
@BrownBomber92181
@BrownBomber92181 Жыл бұрын
Theyre not pushing the 6.8 over the 7.3, the 6.8 is simply a replacement for the Boss 6.2 engine.
@alexs3187
@alexs3187 Жыл бұрын
The 6.8 and 7.3 are the same engine with a different stroke. Everything else is the same.
@freedomisntfree_44
@freedomisntfree_44 Жыл бұрын
@@alexs3187 these rookies really think Ford would go and design a whole other engine😂 the 6.8 just made it easier.
@Dccole3214
@Dccole3214 Жыл бұрын
The ford 10 speed is trash.
@MrStaybrown
@MrStaybrown Жыл бұрын
All 10 speeds are junk.
@peteperkins3859
@peteperkins3859 5 ай бұрын
Go with the Ford. Rams are junk.
@motumoyu4566
@motumoyu4566 Жыл бұрын
Yeppers. The Ram is the way to go. solid 44 axels front back. front back locking diffs. factory 12,000 pound winch. You can fit 37 inch tires stock on stock rims. and the engine will last 3x longer than the failing 7.3 ford. Ford is using crappy metallurgy. and this engine is falling apart. The ram has been more comfortable as well. with softer materials.
@joshsimchak2938
@joshsimchak2938 Жыл бұрын
Why did a Chevy 6.0 with much lower ratings smoke the 6.4 up like gauntlet I think their numbers are bs
@daveperk
@daveperk 2 ай бұрын
The TqqqFL guys didn’t use the manual shift buttons to limit up shifts, because they were testing cruise control among other things. The Ram 6.4 test was not in the wheelhouse of that truck. Use it right and it tows as well as any gasser.
@Jpowe981
@Jpowe981 Жыл бұрын
Just dodges reliability would have me looking at the Ford to begin with. Ford has been number one in trucks for almost fifty years for a reason
@wirebrush
@wirebrush Жыл бұрын
Coming up on 8 years and 80k miles on my Power Wagon. Only issue so far was a shift solenoid, but to be fair I was towing well above it's rated capacity when it went out, so I take some blame for that.
@bradriekens9804
@bradriekens9804 10 ай бұрын
26,000 on my 22/2500 with a 6.4. Getting 14mpg. Love my Dodge No issues!
@dannyhoward3437
@dannyhoward3437 10 ай бұрын
Ram reliability is fine.
@Hunter-ex2sw
@Hunter-ex2sw 8 ай бұрын
Ford reliability???? Are you serious
@wyo_garage20
@wyo_garage20 8 ай бұрын
There are zero reliability concerns with the Ram. Ford isn’t best selling because they are magically more reliable or capable, it’s all smoke and mirrors and largely due to fleet sales. Come on guy, educate yourself before saying something foolish
@Bobbyleejoe2556
@Bobbyleejoe2556 Жыл бұрын
Both are junks!! 😂😂😂
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