+Chief Kurtz He only had slight concussion, but you're correct, it was Pankhurst's funeral that he attended.

Centrist Philosopher we are doing this in history, it was the kings horse and she was hoping to attach the banner to his horse

Stealing from a dead person is not actually a crime because it is victimless!

And the reason that he (Jones)took his own life had NOTHING to do with what he witnessed. And he did NOT attend E Davison's Funeral. He was involved in a collision with Emily Davison, the suffragette, who was fatally injured. Jones suffered significant injuries himself, including a mild concussion. Fifteen years after the death of Emily Davison, Herbert Jones laid a wreath at the funeral of Emmeline Pankhurst in honour of her and Emily Davisonson's Funeral. The facts are :------ Jones retired from riding in 1923. In 1951, soon after his wife's death and his onset of depression, he was discovered to have committed suicide after his son found him in a gas-filled kitchen.

What is the source of that quote 'I could never get the look of that poor woman's face out of my mind'? Did he really say that?

Tacitvrn same 😤

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@Yaep Yu Sheun Lol

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dallasmyboy Not quite, she died a few days later i believe

she died four days later in a hospital from base skull fracture, never regaining consciousness since her collision with a horse.

Katie Winzer True but the cause of her death I suppose

Try telling that to Vic Morrow

Yes

+Bibble Me Butera Probably not. A return ticket was the only type available at Victoria station, and she'd previously attempted to kill herself by jumping thirty feet down an iron staircase: she survived because she was caught in some netting, although she injured her back. This much is available from a quick skim through on-line sources, no actual 'research' is needed

+Elr James okay. thank you for this information as I am doing a school project about this currently. thank you :)

Bibble Me Butera It's a great topic for 'research'. I'm more a suffragist than a suffragette but, as a man, I can only say that (considering contemporary social norms) I'd have been 'won over' (if only emotionally) by Emily's sacrifice. What a strong and courageous example of femininity she was.

Elr James she was amazing

+Bibble Me Butera I watched Suffragette movie, with Carey Mulligan. In the film she tried to get into paddock first, to protest in front of cameras. but policeman blocked them. So she decided to do this. It wasn't initial plan. So maybe explains why she had ticket.

Yeah, same we did that

the return train ticket was the only one available to buy at that time btw..

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Alice Mitchell I believe her actions did not affect the voting since voting was rewarded to women after there service for helping the soldiers in the war

Alice Mitchell I learnt this today as well

Izzy wisker27 11 same

Same

Izzyzzo 11 same

Me too

i watched it today

bet u dont even use it

@@abderian2399 well that’s a well conceived response

Well only partly. They were only given a partial vote in 1918, but had actually ended their militant campaign in 1914. They suspended operations in order to support the war effort and were "rewarded" with a partial vote four years later. It was actually partly due to a decline in anti-suffrage feeling during the war years, while the WSPU had ceased their campaign and also partly for fear of more militant campaigns starting up if they didn't give more women the vote. Only women over 30 who owned property or rented property with a rent over £5 (a lot of money back then), or were graduates of British universities were given the vote, so this still excluded the vast majority of women and it wasn't until 1928 that women got the full universal vote in the UK.

@@execbum1 Thank you, I am aware of social, and political history. However, I have my vote today, thanks to the suffrage movement.

40% of men didn't have the vote in 1914 either, when a million and a half battle hardened, disenfranchised men returned from the war, having witnessed eight hundred and ninety thousand of their brothers cut down, they got the impression of democracy, the vote.

The jockey of the kings horse wouldn't have been able to get out of the way even if he had seen her, which i doubt he did. Flat racehorses travel at speeds of up to over 40mph, and they are big animals, it would have been very difficult to pull up or swerve an animal that big and going that fast in just 4 seconds, as the video said. Also, the horse did try and jump over her, so it shows that the horse did try and avoid colliding with her.

Sadia Nila Llf 😂 it wasn't the king riding the horse, he just owned it. The jockey went on to kill himself

This is what happens when people who don't know squat about horses give an opinion about it

Very well written: the distinction is excellently drawn by your good-self. I, for one, hadn't even thought about the video in that way; thanks for pointing to it.

+Elr James thank YOU for your kind words :-)

Thank you! You are the voice of reason & sanity. Many "commenters", apparently didn't listen to the entire video, nor know ANY suffragette history...................but, this is the case in the 21st century.

Thanks a lot, I appreciate that.

Gioveolympys - Thank you for your very lucid point about Emily, the reason I'm replying is that, with full respect of course, I don't think I agree with it. I don't think it's right to assume that because something (here, an extremely high risk of death) is an apparently obvious consequence of an act a person chooses to carry out, that the person involved actually did foresee it. I hope that makes sense (!) I think there are three EQUALLY strong possibilities about Emily's state of mind that day. 1) It was indeed a suicide she thought would further the suffragette cause. 2) She knowingly took the very great risk of death from the powerful horse when trying is some way to attach a suffragette sash or flag to the horse. 3) She took a risk, but catastrophically underestimated how great it was, simply failing to know or find out about the speed and power of a horse running in the Derby. In other words, she thought there was indeed a risk that she would be hurt or injured or even killed, but mistakenly thought that the risk was small because she would be able to stop the horse. I think one of the above must be true, which one actually is true will, so long afterwards, surely forever remain a mystery, unless some sort of persuasive document (a letter or diary entry from her or a friend before the act saying what she was going to do and why, for instance) dramatically emerges. For what (little) it's worth, my hunch is that number 3) above is the truth of it. One more point - given how little time she had between coming out and being hit, I can't see how she could have deliberately 'targeted' the King's horse - the film shows it was running nearly last, and because of where Emily was on that bend she was unsighted for most of those seconds. I think she just picked a horse which happened to be the King's. But then again, what do I know ?

The owner died

Elr James yes but in doing so he preserved an artifact and thanks to him now we can go and see it and relive the past

@@hinarashid9103 Why would Davidson's family not have "preserved [the] artifact" had it been returned to them? Why did the Clerk of the Course have to steal it?

@@jessnez8697 And so the next of her kin would've been the rightful owner of the scarf, not that thief.

At this distance in time, people have forgotten that the suffragettes generally were seen as mad or bad, and not just by the people in power. Picking up the scarf may have been an attempt to hide a ‘shameful’ piece of evidence and spare her family - better for a fatally-injured respectably dressed lady to be thought of as a poor suicide than a mad anarchist?

the horse and jockey were fine afterwards however Emily was not,

@@georgiabiddle4983 Well the jockey never got over it and killed himself years later, after being driven mad by the guilt he felt. Not his fault at all, but he wasn't really okay - only physically.

Good for you, that'll teach the little twat!

Yeah some guys are idiots.

It was just stupidity, a pardonable offence in a woman.

i highly doubt that , why would she try to put a scarf on a horse thats going that fast ?

Douglas Daniel not irrational when she was fighting for votes for women - something which is such a basic human act it's disgusting how it was not available to everyone at all timws

Perhaps I can choose a word closer to my meaning than 'irrational'-- perhaps naive, and not naive because she was fighting for votes for women, but because she apparently didn't realize just how dangerous and well-nigh impossible it was to fling a scarf onto a speeding racehorse. That's not a judgment of her commitment or the rightness of her cause, just her judgment.

woow ur so smartt

@@maepb8961 Fighting for votes by getting run over by a horse. She probably would have made a better rights campaigner alive. Well anyway women should have the vote as long as they have to fight should a war come along.

@@douglasdaniel4504 It was Fucking retarded, but because she’s a woman no one can say it.

zaftra apparently she was trying to grab the reigns of the horse so she could ride the horse

+Julie VanBerkel This is Benjamin Franklin. Emil was quoting him

I stand corrected. Thanks.

also you can see in the slowed down footage that just as the king's horse approaches her she turns to her right, as if to put the sash on the horse. I definitely think that's what she was trying to do!

+Mark Anthony ~ She didn't think she'd be hit but at the worst, expected to go to prison again... In her pockets were found notepaper, envelopes and stamps - things they (Suffragettes) made sure to carry at all times on protests because they would always break the law and end up being arrested... a kind of mobile phone for emergencies.

@@frankasensale6788 no one really knows though bevause shes dead

Not sure she knew she was to become a martyr. Any number of possibilities could have occurred. lf she had survived but the rider and horse died l doubt her legacy would have been the same.

@99 Bottles of Bleach lol awwwww is somebody butt hurt that women got equal rights?

Don’t act like it all wouldn’t of happened without her 🤣🤣🤣🤣

​@@Stanley_Baby a terrorist

Yes it certainly does

The horse was ok!

Vortigan07 How unsympathetic is that !

Elr James This isn't about sympathy. It seems to be studying her actions....

your right.

amazing angle to show what actually happened

what did she expect, this is called dementia

It was ok don't worry!

Maybe it's YOU who is incredibly stupid, did you ever consider that?

Arthur Hurwitz , yes the kings horse survived

Arthur Hurwitz I think it was put down due to injury

Both the horse and the jockey were fine. A lot of people are spreading nonsense that they died but a few minutes of googling will tell you they were well enough to race at the Ascot only two weeks later.

well the jockey WAS fine until he committed suicide.

This is one theory, but the doctor who examined her could not say for sure that is what happened. She was flung hard and far, so it may easily have been simply the landing that caused the fracture.

she wanted to pin a scarf on the kings horse so hed be seen with it on when he crossed the finish line but she got hit

MI Miah why? it fell it's fine it's not dead

Mae Day well .. now it is ..

No thanks to her.

MI Miah I feel sorry for all the punters who lost money on the race...

the horse afterwards was fine.... the rider afterwards was fine ((until he took his life)) but Emily Wilding Davison was NOT fine, she was in a coma for 4 days then past away.

Whilst it was a thought-provoking act, this isn't the only piece of evidence that leads people to think this wasn't intentional. She had a return train ticket on her, another ticket to a suffragette rally later that day, and she'd made plans to stay with her sister in France. Plus, there's information that they'd been practicing attaching the banners on moving objects to *avoid* any on-the-day accidents.

Thorntonian And she told the Suffragettes that she would be back in a day, definitely not intending to be killed.

But I think she definitely knew the risks. She must have known that serious injury, if not death, would be very likely. But weather she planned to be killed or not she was a very brave woman and I admire her greatly!

Who did she nearly kill? The jockey only sustained very mild concussion and was back riding 2 weeks after the accident.

@@monicam7834 oh that's ok then. She didn't know what would happen when she recklessly behaved like that. She could have killed or maimed an innocent person.

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horse remained alive of course. and for emily davinson shes a hero, she risked her life just for women's rights

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