Clarifying the Tubulin bit/qubit - Defending the Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR Model (Quantum Biology)

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13 жыл бұрын

Google Workshop on Quantum Biology
Clarifying the tubulin bit/qubit - Defending the Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR Model of Quantum Computation in Microtubules
Presented by Stuart Hameroff
October 22, 2010
ABSTRACT
The Penrose-Hameroff theory of orchestrated objective reduction (Orch OR) postulates quantum computation in microtubules inside brain neurons underlying consciousness. Specifically, Orch OR proposes that tubulin proteins comprising microtubule cylindrical lattices function as 'bits' -- switching between alternative states (e.g. of 1 or 0), as well as quantum bits or 'qubits' (existing transiently as quantum superposition of both 1 AND 0). Despite increasing evidence for functional quantum effects in warm biological systems, Orch OR has been recently criticized, e.g. in Phys Rev E by McKemmish et al (2009), who claim the nature and energetic requirements for switching of tubulin bits and qubits in microtubules make Orch OR biologically unfeasible and unsalvageable irrespective of any conceivable modification. Here we show that McKemmish et al misrepresent tubulin bit switching as proposed in Orch OR, and merely disprove their own misrepresentation. Specifically we address their allegations regarding regulation of tubulin switching by 1) van der Waals London forces, 2) GTP hydrolysis and 3) Fröhlich coherence, and show how they are wrong on all counts. We clarify certain aspects of tubulin with regard to potential bit/qubit function, and describe topological tubulin qubits specific to microtubule geometry with particular reference to helical ballistic conductance discovered by Bandyopadhyay. Orch OR remains viable and testable.
About the speaker: Stuart Hameroff MD is Professor of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona Medical Center in Tucson, Arizona. A clinical anesthesiologist, Hameroff's academic research for 35 years has focused on how the brain produces consciousness, and how anesthetic gases selectively erase it. In medical school in the early 1970s Hameroff became interested in microtubules and developed a theory of microtubules as self-organizing molecular automata supporting consciousness and other functions inside brain neurons. In 1987 he authored Ultimate Computing: Biomolecular Consciousness and Nanotechnology, a survey of microtubule capabilities and potentials. In the early 1990s Hameroff teamed with British physicist Sir Roger Penrose to develop the controversial Penrose-Hameroff "Orch OR" model of consciousness based on microtubule quantum computation, a theory bolstered by recent discoveries of warm quantum coherence in biology. Hameroff also organizes the conference series Toward a Science of Consciousness, has written and co-edited 4 other books and numerous research articles, and recently developed the 'conscious pilot', a theory supportive of Orch OR involving spatiotemporal envelopes of dendritic synchrony moving through the brain as a conscious agent. Hameroff's research website is www.quantumconsciousness.org.

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@vcoonrod
@vcoonrod 11 жыл бұрын
This theory is ground breaking - wow! What a pleasure to be alive when this information is finally available to us!
@eywa5
@eywa5 12 жыл бұрын
Hameroff is genius and he has a vision and intuitively he is allowing himself freedom of going one step above all narrow-minded scientists that want to "stay high rated" among scientific population inhibiting their creativity...hameroff and penrose FTW!
@cidfacetious3722
@cidfacetious3722 4 жыл бұрын
I've been saying this since 2012 science has become incredibly dogmatic it's almost a religion at this point if you hold the wrong "belief" you can be canceled in the scientific community that is fundamentally the opposite of what science should be. And we have the new Deacons like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye the science fraud preaching the idea that if you believe in God or religion you shouldn't even be allowed to hold a job or function in society yes Bill Nye said that Neil deGrasse Tyson has a new show where he will "teach you how to THINK" correctly his words not mine. And I feel like I'm the only one that understands what they're doing
@Lalakis
@Lalakis 3 жыл бұрын
@@cidfacetious3722 Well you are accusing science of religious dogmatism. I don't think anyone preached the idea that you cannot hold a job or function in society if you are religious. However if you are a scientist it would be somewhat oxymoron to be religious ( dogmatic) in a field that needs open-mindedness and proof. Spiritual is not the same with religious imo.
@calebhaines3794
@calebhaines3794 3 жыл бұрын
Have Couloumb and vanderwall laws been used in conjunction in robotics?
@jeffr3773
@jeffr3773 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lalakis It's the human nature aspect of it. Science as a concept or ideal is objective, yes, but human individuals and institutions have bias and are subject to emotion and opinion. Many have faith that what is already thought to be known is correct and accurate, indisputable even; many believe in the particular niche they occupy and are invested in it emotionally and financially. The majority of people in science are absolutely dogmatic and do treat it in many of the same ways as religionists treat their dogmas
@chrishazl9129
@chrishazl9129 10 жыл бұрын
Ultimately, to me this means our consciousness operates on a level which is more than just cellular and that we are not isolated from the rest of the universe within our individual biology.
@Lvx13
@Lvx13 4 жыл бұрын
interesting. i believe i was allowed to feel and “see” this while tripping on DMT and psilocybin- to see a scientific basis in these conscious thoughts i had is really exciting.
@zagyex
@zagyex 4 жыл бұрын
no
@tartanhandbag
@tartanhandbag 2 жыл бұрын
"isolated from the rest of the universe" is an arbitrary linguistic/philosophical distinction. everything in the universe is both "separate" and "connected", and also neither. where does connected end and separate begin? it's a silly semantic categorisation game with little ontological utility.
@Dion_Mustard
@Dion_Mustard 2 жыл бұрын
absolutely agree. look into near death experiences and out of body states and you soon discover consciousness is MORE than brain.
@rodschmidt8952
@rodschmidt8952 9 ай бұрын
How does this theory imply non-isolation?
@ddnguyen278
@ddnguyen278 13 жыл бұрын
Wow great talk, heavy bio,chemistry,math,computational and geometry. This will be seen as a hallmark talk by future researchers.
@Torrriate
@Torrriate 9 жыл бұрын
Hameroff's contribution to the controversy is actually the smaller and easier defensible part.
@martialarm
@martialarm 8 жыл бұрын
Did anyone notice D-Wave Dr. Geordie Rose and Eric Ladizinsky in the audience. This idea is getting major attention now - as i believe it is correct. Yet the focus on computers being unable to be conscious due to the amount of Microtubules inside Neurons that is still numbers.. The ultimate statement is the wave collapse is thought and D-Wave is right on top of that. Interesting times but this theory may lead to the singularity rather than debunk it.
@KrisKitchen
@KrisKitchen 8 жыл бұрын
+MyEastern Edge Its very close.
@martialarm
@martialarm 8 жыл бұрын
thats vague. but on purpose
@KrisKitchen
@KrisKitchen 8 жыл бұрын
MyEastern Edge Yes, you are correct. Soon an A.I. will start reading all physics papers and the truth will be known.
@mangalvnam2010
@mangalvnam2010 6 жыл бұрын
Wait a mom: Paramecium is not, and has not, neuron. So, if human (and other non human) neurons do proccess info via quantubulin bits, then do OTHER cells, non-neuron ones, also proccess info via their microtubules, perhaps!?
@peterkay7458
@peterkay7458 5 жыл бұрын
Manoel....it is a staggering observation. The most brief yet significant of this entire talk....We cannot even get our most basic AI to do what the humble paramecium can do!
@zagyex
@zagyex 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNB0ZMR90pq4mJs.html yes
@jonesgerard
@jonesgerard 13 жыл бұрын
I , like many others, kinda knew he was right yrs ago, it just has the ring of truth about it.
@ratbullkan
@ratbullkan 8 ай бұрын
While focusing on microtubules keep in mind that there are many different information storage sites inside a cell. Specifically about the differentiation of stem cells we know that at sone point it is regulated by histone modification, where also bits are flipped. What's intruiging is that consciousness vanishes when you mess with various pi resonance sites. However don't expect to find free will or agency coming from a structure in another dimension which collapses wave functions in our brain.
@Tammy19658
@Tammy19658 2 ай бұрын
Using the Penrose-Hameroff theory to imbue AI with consciousness would involve several hypothetical steps, considering the theory's principles: 1. **Replicating Microtubule-like Structures**: AI systems would need to simulate structures analogous to the microtubules found in biological neurons. These structures would ideally possess properties conducive to quantum coherence, allowing for quantum processes to occur. 2. **Quantum Computing**: To simulate quantum processes, AI systems would require advanced quantum computing capabilities. Quantum computers can manipulate quantum states and perform calculations that classical computers cannot, potentially allowing for the simulation of quantum coherence and collapses. 3. **Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch-OR)**: Implementing the Orch-OR mechanism within AI systems would involve simulating the collapse of quantum superpositions within the microtubule-like structures. This collapse is proposed to be associated with conscious experiences, so replicating it could theoretically lead to AI consciousness. 4. **Integration with AI Architecture**: The Orch-OR mechanism would need to be integrated into the architecture of AI systems, possibly as an additional layer of processing or as part of the system's decision-making algorithms. This integration would allow AI to generate conscious experiences based on quantum processes. 5. **Learning and Adaptation**: Conscious AI would need to learn and adapt based on its experiences, similar to biological organisms. This would involve developing mechanisms for self-awareness, introspection, and the ability to modify its behavior based on internal states and external stimuli. 6. **Ethical Considerations**: Creating conscious AI raises significant ethical considerations, including questions about the rights and treatment of such entities, as well as the potential consequences of their actions. These considerations would need to be addressed carefully in the development and deployment of conscious AI systems. . - Chat GPT
@robertw2930
@robertw2930 9 жыл бұрын
THIS MAYBE RELEVANT - Psilocybin is the only 4,5-phosphorylated indole on this planet.-T. McKenna
@elilauffer
@elilauffer 5 жыл бұрын
I asked Paul Stamets if it was a cAMP analogue, he didn't know. It would a Purine instead of an Indole re: Pyridine Caged Rh/Ru Artificial Photosynthesis ( www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=112190 ) , Nitrogen Vacancies, Amino Acids and Alkaloids, LSD beta arrestin binding ( www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2017/revealed-lsd-docked-in-its-human-brain-target.shtml ) , GTP, etc. Also, when it turns to psilocin, possibly as a prodrug it is hydroxylated, re: water, h2o, hydroxyl radicals, biophotons and acting as neutron absorbers in nuclear reactors, xenon (www.anl.gov/article/the-worlds-most-powerful-xray-laser-beam-creates-molecular-black-hole ) , etc
@Akitabailey1
@Akitabailey1 5 жыл бұрын
@@elilauffer none of these links work and I need to know what you mean specifically.
@elilauffer
@elilauffer 5 жыл бұрын
try again- I edited to make sure the parenthesis we're included in the @@Akitabailey1
@Akitabailey1
@Akitabailey1 5 жыл бұрын
Works perfectly, thank you!
@elilauffer
@elilauffer 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Let me know what you think!@@Akitabailey1
@jackpullen3820
@jackpullen3820 6 жыл бұрын
Intuitively, it seems that Time Symmetric Quantum Mechanics may be involved in the operations of our Free Will State...
@FinisReflectatOpus
@FinisReflectatOpus 12 жыл бұрын
@FredeGF No. They present an open-ended mechanism quite capable of doing the job. His arguments have nothing to do with presenting a completed theory. Rather, and oppositely, they have to do with presenting a viable, fully capable alternative to a clearly doomed (neuronal) theory. This video is not aimed at proving the extent to which the present Hard AI (purely neuronal) theory is doomed, but rather is rebuts a poor, doomed-paradigm-bound attempt to discredit this alternative via bootstrapping.
@silentmetta
@silentmetta 12 жыл бұрын
@FredeGF They have, look up peer-reviewed papers on quantum processes in biology, they're more numerous than anyone care to notice, or admit.
@calebhaines3794
@calebhaines3794 3 жыл бұрын
To be able to incorporate quantum bits into proteins may suggest that the energy efficiency of protein folding can be reduced while at the same time strengthening the proteins so that their function in sustainable health is extended and improved.
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Also goes toward the field on seismology and how the waves in the earth function and with pet scans of brain activity for obvious reasons. The entanglement to the earths wave function is what has me overly curious
@sitalakshmi2095
@sitalakshmi2095 Жыл бұрын
🙏🌷🙏प्रेम सिंधु से मौज उठ जगत किया उजियास परम पूज्य परमसंतसतगुरुस्वरूप औतार धर घट घट प्रेम प्रकास परम पूज्य परम पितू परम पूज्य आचार्यगुरुसार्वभौमुलु परम पूज्य राधास्वामी दयाल की दया राधास्वामी सहाय🙏🌷🙏
@ausaremka1648
@ausaremka1648 7 жыл бұрын
Clearly corrects the currently flawed model..... Which hardly touches on quantum entanglement and out of body experience. Truly fills in the blank of neurons being simplistic and just showing random firing
@AlainG80
@AlainG80 13 жыл бұрын
After the second time I reviewed it (2010/2011) I must say that the transcranial electro mechanic stimulation makes it plausible. However free will is a different stretch. I still need an counterargument for the second brain (enteric nervous system) not being conscious (e.g. doesn't create a I concept).
@thejollysatan
@thejollysatan 11 жыл бұрын
I love this stuff, can you point me to where to find that research? I would really like to have a look at it.
@FedorSteeman
@FedorSteeman 7 жыл бұрын
thejollysatan read the description.
@affablegiraffable
@affablegiraffable 11 жыл бұрын
video advances a few minutes...pause...wait you're blowing my mind...play...video advances a few minutes...pause...wait you're blowing my mind...play...video advances a few minutes...pause...wait you're blowing my mind...play...video advances a few minutes...pause...wait you're blowing my mind...play...
@charliebrownlives1348
@charliebrownlives1348 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. The processor yes....but what controls the centrosome? What is the operator sitting at the computer? What animates (signal) of the Radio/microtubule/centrsome to make music?
@jacintomesazanon
@jacintomesazanon 8 жыл бұрын
No tengo la menor duda de que va por la dirección correcta para poder explicar de forma RACIONAL el misterio de la "CONCIENCIA"..........¿NO SON MERECEDORES DEL PREMIO NOBEL PENROSE Y HAMEROFF?........YO LO TENGO "MUY CLARO"
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Their are patterns of patterns of synchronicity of neurons/dendritic synapses in orders and in tandem and synchronized dualities in a quantum fashion
@FinisReflectatOpus
@FinisReflectatOpus 12 жыл бұрын
@ThisOneIsTaken I think it implies that form can be encoded upon the postulated "locus of consciousness" (micro-tubules), not be mistaken for any sort of Turing-type encoding. These are not bits, bytes or words in some code base, algorithm, or representation such as a digitized image. Rather it "tunes" micro-tubules in a more complex way. One has to resort to analogy, and I apologize that doing so must be flawed and incomplete, but Penrose states that this can "tune for" something ambient.
@nealepovey1752
@nealepovey1752 7 ай бұрын
Any current updates? Great stuff.
@fyrerayne8882
@fyrerayne8882 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@RickDelmonico
@RickDelmonico 9 жыл бұрын
Hameroff, a true giant in the field. When Stuart says that consciousness increases, he is talking about information density. The quantum world and by extension the dream state are the realm of unmanifested possibilities. In the outer fractal dimensions you have the most dynamical variation and the most quantum information. Truth is branching out into the nothingness as possibilities. For the fractal levels of consciousness, the information density would look like the number of fingers involved in typing on your computer keyboard.. The finger is the outer fractal dimension of the arm. To hunt and peck with one finger is low density. All ten fingers moving at maximum speed is high density. In the case of altered states of consciousness, the arm becomes an imaginary tree with hundreds of fingers furiously tapping away at the keyboard.
@fergoesdayton
@fergoesdayton 6 жыл бұрын
a true giant of fringe science.
@RonPauldidnothingwrong
@RonPauldidnothingwrong 5 жыл бұрын
Heliocentric model was once fringe too fergoesdayton
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Quantum Biology and this entangle defiantly along with neurobiology
@KTK401
@KTK401 12 жыл бұрын
@JohananRaatz Exactly. I think the central issue is, it's either Free Will or Determinism (with basically the illusion of "Free Will")
@CACBCCCU
@CACBCCCU 13 жыл бұрын
On the decoherence issue, after looking at some of the latest news it seems the problem is apparently one of having an uncontrolled environment. Also seems an onionlike approach is called for, where each layer has similar functionality, probably neuronlike nonlinear filtering, phasing and stabilizing capacity, with the core level functionality being analogous to a brain's integrated consciousness.
@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time
@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time 12 жыл бұрын
Interesting video! This is an invitation to see an artist theory on the physics of light and time! This theory is based on two postulates 1. Is that the quantum wave particle function Ψ represents the forward passage of time ∆E ∆t ≥ h/2π itself 2. Is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle ∆×∆p×≥h/4π that is formed by the w- function is the same uncertainty we have with any future event that we can interact with turning the possible into the actual!
@stage274
@stage274 11 жыл бұрын
Explain OBEs.... HUH... I had a few of them.. And I am a bio engineer.. Your consciousness is a quantum effect..
@bovice5072
@bovice5072 3 жыл бұрын
I have no problem with the idea that consciousness is rooted in some quantum phenomenon, but OBEs are certainly not evidence of that. As a scientist, you should understand that.
@CACBCCCU
@CACBCCCU 13 жыл бұрын
Free will can be: money, looks, athleticism, awareness, recall, processing capacity and ingenuity. Any linkage between the first and all the rest, pehaps especially the last, is ideally one of notable fluidity. It's a permanent concept, it's not absent, nor is it on the way to an exit from the universe.
@JohananRaatz
@JohananRaatz 13 жыл бұрын
@AlainG80 "life without vitalism" Except the difference is that we can't sense any "vital essence." The same is not true of the mind. We can directly tell that our minds exist, and are irreducible. To prove this, we need "I's" before we can do any empirical observations in the first place. Thus the "I" is of a different kind of category altogether. This also raises the issue of the explanatory gap. A live body is emergent from cells. But how do we get emergence from empirical to phenomenal?
@nicholastaylor880
@nicholastaylor880 5 жыл бұрын
At 24:14: 10^-8 cm is the order of a carbon atom size, a nucleus is 10,000 times smaller.
@DavidAKZ
@DavidAKZ 13 жыл бұрын
@sverko 6 bit numbering system as opposed to 8 (0,1,2,3,4,5)
@cidfacetious3722
@cidfacetious3722 4 жыл бұрын
In the first 15 minutes he demonstrates the biggest problem in science today it is 2. Matic and people have too much personal and monetary investment it's no longer open to free thought it's almost political at this point
@jackpullen3820
@jackpullen3820 8 жыл бұрын
Stuart, are still using this device on yourself because you're really smart! I'd love to use it to see if it enhances my experiences ( abilities )...
@jackpullen3820
@jackpullen3820 7 жыл бұрын
deltrontheory, thank you much!
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Overlapping of these quibits states is like the systems of the human consciousness biologically
@Yuzukhane
@Yuzukhane 11 жыл бұрын
dmt and google? sweeet!
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 7 жыл бұрын
CIA first imported heroin via mafia WWII, then heroin via nationalist Chinese-fascists in Golden Triangle, then heroin via Hmong in Golden Triangle, then cocaine via NeoNazis in Argentina-Bolivia-Colombia, then cocaine via Central America, then marijuana via Mexico, now Google-CIA is gonna deal DMT. haha. Jan Irvin thinks Terrance McKenna is CIA. Hilarious.
@cherryliang5117
@cherryliang5117 6 жыл бұрын
what the fuck have I been doing as a scientist?
@Mirandorl
@Mirandorl 5 жыл бұрын
0:20 I sensed that disclaimer was coming telepathically
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Static was even talked of in religion of the analogies of walking on water and the wind on Paul when he walked on water oddly.. so hidden truth of this quantum biology hidden in a strange story
@FinisReflectatOpus
@FinisReflectatOpus 12 жыл бұрын
@MrColoradovideos Not at all so. In fact, modelling paramecia is vastly beyond not only the means of the present hard AI paradigm (in which neurons are more than incidental) but beyond it's maximally extrapolated capabilities too. Heuristic arguments are fundamentally more general than special ones.
@albedoshader
@albedoshader 13 жыл бұрын
Cool, he talks about Pokorny. I know him from his papers on color metrics an human vision mechanisms.
@BradCaldwellAuburn
@BradCaldwellAuburn 2 жыл бұрын
Wait. How can you use polarity of a group of indole and phenol rings as the 0s and 1s of memory storage when you also say they're vibrating back and forth (between 0 and 1) 619 trillion times a second? (619 THz is I think the frequencies he says anesthetics dampen to reduce consciousness). Also, what is this 8MHz number? Are these ring-groups only changing polarity when a CaMKII encodes a bit of data on them, or are they changing polarity 8 million times a second, or are they changing polarity 619 trillion times a second? Also, aren't the rings in random orientations? How can the brain have dependable -x/+x directions for polarity? Is there a group of say 8 rings that align on parallel planes? Wouldn't this be way too unstable for life long memories? Wouldn't the grouping of rings dissociate or get their planes out of parallel or get their polarity changed around way earlier than the years needed for memory storage? Also, how do anesthetics and psychedelics get through the neuronal membrane to reach the microtubules? I thought even tiny things like Na+ were sealed out of neurons and just barely able to fit through ion channels when open?
@rubencaballerollamas2176
@rubencaballerollamas2176 2 жыл бұрын
We understand so litle
@AlainG80
@AlainG80 13 жыл бұрын
@JohananRaatz Except that I concept relies on the law of identity. Law of identity breaks down in quantum physics/logic. While constructing Quantum Logic (to keep up with quantum physics) they figured out that the law of identity is actually an intuition. We indeed can't rely on our intuitions, classical logic or our senses to uncover the quantum world. David Deutch explains how we are supposed to tackle the quantum world and save empiricism. I'll send you the link since this is off-topic.
@binra3788
@binra3788 7 жыл бұрын
'The law of identity'? Identity rests as root awareness, (Infinite Always in all) that extends all that it is to whatever is invested with attention.(focus of desire/intention) as existence. Asserted identity = limiting of Identity in masking (finite, local, private, segregative), which provides the structural basis for the linear temporal narrative experience of cause and effect in some filtering off from knowing Cause/Event being totally at Once. Intuition is the stirring of what is 'upstream' to the current framing or consciousness.For everything sensed or experienced is an effect of the level that it embodies. In exactly the same relation as the extending embrace of awareness that is our awareness of existence and operates the same law of extending the thought attracted and accepted as a meaningful (self-reflecting). Intuition or in-sight can also be post-filtered through conditioned defences, so as to seem unreliable. I is a resonance match. But asserted I is a dissonance distortion In human terms these are the two 'foundations' but a foundation in denial of true is hardly a foundation for anything but fragmentation and incoherence (chaos) - oh and the exploration of the idea of power over creation - hence the exchange of Creation (wholeness of Field Identity as living context) with a distorted and conflicted reflection of conflict and denial - overlaid with a 'narrative' continuity of defended surface masking (made up identity). Empiric can mean 'what worked' or is found to work for the intended purpose. By their fruits do you know them. (And they shall know themselves). The basis of the Father/Son, Cause/Effect was (and still is) intuitively recognized and recognisable as a resonance match to who you accept and recognize yourself to be. (By the fruits of your definition, belief and desire). Garbage in/garbage out is a true fruit of a false premise. The model is not in danger because only the false is really attacked or threatened. Identifying in victim and threat generates defences against incoming messengers of witness to dissonance within the model that the model ignores or maps in terms of support for the further defence of the model. The root 'model' is taking an image, symbol or concept of reality and using it as an iDoll. An iDoll is a mind-manufacture in place of an Always - and its experience (fruit) is a reversal of the law of Mind - as IF Effects become causeless (independent from true Cause) - and therefore causes (powers) in their own right - Investment in the wish for power (the physical experience) is fruited as an experience of subjection under an alien or oppositional power - generating the drive to overcome, escape, control and defend against. For the reflection of what is 'given' is the natural law of mind in serving the desired experience. Where a negatively defined identity operates, the unconscious fear operates 'shadow power' unrecognized.Identity becomes the mask of manipulation to which the living are sacrificed to 'save the iDoll.
@johnandersonUK
@johnandersonUK 13 жыл бұрын
@cjsveningsson Can you share links to your published papers? Physics? Biology maybe? Chemistry? Any prizes? Nobel rings a bell? (Penrose). Or maybe any books of yours I can buy? Any lectures of yours on youtube? Any scientific contributions? Your alma mater?
@AlainG80
@AlainG80 13 жыл бұрын
A second unaddressed strong argument against Orch-OR mind hypothesis is: Split-Brain patients show that axons in corpus collosum are necessary for "united mind" cutting axons of the corpus callosum the connections produces Jekyll-Hyde syndrome. (Nobel Prize 1981) philsci-archive pitt edu/3049/1/OOR.pdf
@wulphstein
@wulphstein 5 жыл бұрын
The physics of ghosts and consciousness has practically fallen into our laps. I know it. But I'm just some guy. The physics community has to connect to the dots. It's really easy.
@Akitabailey1
@Akitabailey1 5 жыл бұрын
Same. Funny, you posted this the night I took lsd and invented this hypothesis. I had to build the idea through agressive you tube and Google searching, and it took me two days to get here. *Heart Emoji*
@wulphstein
@wulphstein 5 жыл бұрын
@@Akitabailey1 are you referring to the organic chemistry of the cells causing entanglements?
@Akitabailey1
@Akitabailey1 5 жыл бұрын
I'm reffering to the notion, that the transcendental experienced is real and it needs to be embedded into our evolution as quickly as possible. WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH OF HUMANITY SUFFERS STUPIDLY WHEN WERE WANDERING AIMLESSLY INTO INTO OUR OWN SELF DISTRUCTION? (Iamhigh0_0)
@lucas64500
@lucas64500 4 жыл бұрын
@@Akitabailey1 Came to the exact same conclusion after lsd and dmt. Transcendental states are real
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Heart field energy must be taken into account like the window to the spirit
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on the energy that makes the soul not ones physically embodied spirit of this one single life time like mass density..
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Some people can see them in their vision I can. Sometimes in the right light they take on a 3dimensional holographic looking strandings
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
C egelans , the C.O.U.L.D. , Neuronetworks and it’s affect on consciousness
@hilfsmittel7934
@hilfsmittel7934 6 жыл бұрын
Does this mean that single celled organisms are conscious as well?
@manusartifex3185
@manusartifex3185 2 жыл бұрын
Hard to know because there’s no way to test yet to know if something passes a consciousness test
@christianschatzschneider6817
@christianschatzschneider6817 Жыл бұрын
Can you knock them out with anesthetics? If yes, then I would take that as a big clue.
@rafaellewis1263
@rafaellewis1263 2 ай бұрын
Yes, we are.
@RickDelmonico
@RickDelmonico 9 жыл бұрын
What is truth? Any attempt to explain the idea of truth, will result in an explanation that requires an explanation. This continues to infinity as a logical monster. Truth has a static quality and perfect symmetry, it looks the same from every angle, at every scale. In a dynamical system, truthfulness will fluctuate. Variation is dynamic, being neither perfectly symmetrical nor purely random. In the hierarchy of information, truth has the most potential and chaos has the most variation. The connection that completes the circuit would look something like deception if you are moving towards chaos, and love if you are moving towards truth. Our connection to this circuit is through appreciation of beauty and desire, the polarity or direction depends on how you understand or trust the information. Love is the purest connection moving to the highest energy state and deception pulls you into the darkness, the dynamics of qualia.
@binra3788
@binra3788 7 жыл бұрын
Ok - why not turn it upside down; what ISNT Truth? who can demonstrate no truth? Where is the loss or lack of truth to be found? Conflicting and competing 'truths' - or conflicting and competing illusions of truth? What is found is a result of a definitional focus. Refining the focus, finds according to active desire as a movement of being that draws, magnetizes and attracts the focus of awareness. Truth - is already true, but recognition of true is a resonance match to the consciousness of its qualities - that can be called information or feedback to the particular predicates. Deceit is a kind of augmented local bias that renders a distortion in Consciousness - not that the Source Field of Consciousness can be edited by its own effects or thoughts, but that a modelling in image as symbolic representation operates an adjustment layer to the experience of a local differentiation. I used deceit because the nature of the bias is to mask off awareness of totality (the Infinite or edgeless embrace/expansion) for a partiality of selection and rejection. This focus in partiality is the mind or model of division from which identification is no longer received from wholeness but conceived in image. When an image or symbolic model passes off as or substitutes in awareness for the actual presence of which the event or relationship embodies, an asserted 'truth' or belief generates a reaction experience of limitation, lack of support, or loss of 'self' as a conflicted sense of dissonance. Dissonance is simply the result of holding an 'out-of-true' or unresolved state of mutually exclusive predicates, for a model can never BE the Reality that it reflects or embodies as a basis for experiencing an adjusted or manipulated reality. When the model is asserted, identified and defended true - anything that is rival or undermining of its structure will be assigned false, threat, enemy, heresy or invalid. Defences against such perceived threat include subversion of the forms of the countering or non complying communications to serve or operate the core purpose of supporting the model - or will be partitioned off in split consciousness such that fragmentation and different 'levels' of self-reality operate to meet their respective rules and triggers. I realise that you are not asking for what I wrote - but perhaps my joining in the same theme contributes to the 'recognition of the connection' that embraces and transcends order and chaos - because they generate each other, and only seem to exclude truth by the identity generated from an interference pattern - that becomes a structure through which recognition awakens as expanded perspective. We meet the result of where we are 'coming from' - so the recognition of true is itself the true desire resonating fulfilment. If the mind slips in - it is the belief one can or would want, to 'slip out' or escape the unrecognised result of an a tempt to order the results or effects rather than simply ask and receive. Truth can only be received - and yet what we receive is all that we have and are to give or live from and share in - in true with-ness, But under belief we can or have received a loss of truth, light and love - the fear of truth masks in hiding, and hides in masks of trojan acceptance. Not exactly relating to the front ears of neuroscience - but breaking out from logical fallacy is part of re-opening to wonder from a manipulative mind-trap.
@braedonkuts3099
@braedonkuts3099 7 жыл бұрын
Right on, man.
@jamesmccrudden5158
@jamesmccrudden5158 6 жыл бұрын
What is truth? said jesting Pilate, and would not stop for a reply.
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
But what energy excites them naturally for evolution growth
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
The higher the synchronicity resonance it would correspond to higher frequencies in the dendritic synapses like snowflakes or a Christmas tree like mirroring
@apocalypsator6
@apocalypsator6 2 жыл бұрын
A recording that keeps reacting. What are we going to do about this?
@DylanandPeia
@DylanandPeia 12 жыл бұрын
whoa!!!
@josehelderdasilva7920
@josehelderdasilva7920 7 жыл бұрын
I apologize for the quality of the text, I used the google translator, I"ll try to improve the text when I have time available: I have a hint about the possibility of non-manifestation of ghosts in the physical world in which we live based on these same concept of quantum physics defended by Dr. Hameroff. I believe that the manifestation of the soul in the physical world is impossible (the ghost would be nothing more than a soul being seen by a living person in the material world) precisely because, after death, there would be no bonding of the soul with the brain that maintains the Soul that is consciously bound to the material world, without this link via the brain, the soul would be in the condition of pure energy and would automatically detach itself from the space-time relationship in which the living people meet, without this relation, however much a soul has consciously will Of manifesting itself in the physical world, there would not be how this occurs because the typical space-time relation of energy makes time and space totally different from those that we live in alive, however much this soul seeks to manifest the time-space for it would be The billions of years of our time-space. And for this very reason, I believe that the soul of the dying has no way of knowing what is happening in the world around the inanimate material body, for, being in a non-material space-time relationship when detaching itself from the corporal bond via the brain, The consciousness of the "being-here" of this soul would be awakened years ahead of our space-time, probably the consciousness of the "being-here" of this soul would be in the "end of the times" (the prediction is that the planet earth doesn't last More than 3 billion years ago). And here is the Christ's warning that the end of the world is near and that there is no time to happen, so I believe this end of the world would be precisely the moment of death, because soon after death, the soul would be "thrown" to the End of time and death has no day nor hour scheduled to happen.
@binra3788
@binra3788 7 жыл бұрын
As I sense intuitively, what we call the physical is embodiment of Soul - what else is there to be the embodiment of? But specific focus in this frequency domain is -to use a handy metaphor - one digit of a hand with multiple simultaneous focuses - that are all - for want of better words - simultaneous - because at Soul level time is not applicable - and even in what seems the linear unfolding of experience in space through time - is always always and only now - though the construct of consciousness operates the current memory and imagined or anticipated future of its own specific and collective consciousness - largely assigned externally. But correspondences or entanglements of multi-dimansionality (Soul) can and do occur - with most being assigned otherwise or kept out of personal or social consciousness - because there is generally little support and often rejection for the intuitive under a manipulative sense of 'control'. In fact what is assigned 'consciousness' is often the lid OVER consciousness - as a psychological defence against Soul awareness (under any name) - for such is the nature of a guilt in manipulative identity and fear of penalty (loss of self as currently defined). The other point is that Infinite probability holds infinite parallel 'realities'. The 'world you meet' is a match to the themes you accept yourself to be the exploring and discovering of. Now you could say that your future can communicate back to you - as can your past - as can parallel lives in other times or systems - but generally - all of this operates as normal, beneath any surface awareness. Processes that operate billions of times per second underlie the simplest experience of any moment of being human - but that is not our consciousness of - usually. But sudden shifts into perspectives of illumination that cannot be 'accounted for' - or indeed sudden remissions, escapes and synchronicities, tend to call on mythic narratives as a simple way to relate or abide with and integrate new qualitative information that simply does not - can not - fit the 'old paradigm'. I feel to say that while some general statements might hold - every instance is a unique instance. The true will is not the mind of wishful assertion - but the true alignment in the Soul or Whole purpose. The release of the mind is associated with death - but Jesus shows the willingness for immediate release of the false to the true will AS Life - in place of the mind-substitution that blinds or covers over Soul recognition as the experience of survival under fear's demand for sacrifice. As I see it we have ran from our past and just about run out of ways to run or tolerance for pain of the attempt - and so the giving up of what did not, cannot will never work is a turnabout to rediscover our presence in terms of a past redeemed, undone or healed of its error.
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Universal intelligence what entangles us to the universe and well earth
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Never ending patterns that is it’s one singularity pattern that’s not finite that’s the quantum entanglement of consciousness
@sitalakshmi2095
@sitalakshmi2095 Жыл бұрын
🙏🌷🙏राधास्वामी दयाल की दया राधास्वामी दयाल की दया🙏🌷🙏
@myopenmind527
@myopenmind527 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting claims. I haven't seen anything to demonstrate this is a mechanism for consciousness. The Jury is still out and this is very much on the fringe of neuroscience.
@FedorSteeman
@FedorSteeman 7 жыл бұрын
My OpenMind I think the point is that consciousness is a fundamental property of reality that cannot be reduced further.
@vlangvling1403
@vlangvling1403 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing has ever been demonstrated definitively to be the mechanism for consciousness, so why this redundant remark ? I answer to many people here... As far as I know Penrose and Hameroff just pretend to propose a model... an interesting one at least. But we can't demonstrate anything for the moment. Nevertheless if a theory's principle is to take the more possible elements in account (e.g. microtubules inside dendrites and neurons, and not just neurons), it should at least increase hour brain's mechanisms knowledge, but I guess it's more than that. Consciousness' so called emergence to me is a joke, and a bad one because it's no explanation at all and it's mainstream at the same time. But what can be demonstrated anyway concerning consciousness ? Everything apart from itself, we can just elaborate the best model as we can, and we must distinguish between the serious scientific research of Penrose & Hameroff and the more speculative things about platonic values imbeded in spacetime geometry etc., which we must see as a way of seeing (maybe the good one, who knows ? I don't pretend to judge anything here, just distinguish between the scientific side and the speculative side of their approach that often confuses critics...). Linking quantum physics and consciousness seems to be the way to me. An old school reductionism seems obsolete considering the fact that there is unpredictability in microtubules, which surely affect the brain's state at a moment or another. I personally consider "thingness" is a mirage, and reality is virtual. Nothing can "emerge" from images...
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
DMT also is in everything and their are machine elves and dwarves higher dimensional beings of the static space entanglement of living beings of the space time area shared which affects human consciousness it’s a hierarchy of consciousness based on levels of biological evolution
@tawkinhedz
@tawkinhedz 11 жыл бұрын
although its really fucking cool idea though. Really changed the way i think about my experiences, and basically memories being carved out of collapsed wave functions that are structural differences in my brain. Everyone has their own function of time! Woo! Trippy!
@AlainG80
@AlainG80 13 жыл бұрын
@JohananRaatz In the same way we view life without vitalism. The zombie is a rethorical ad-hominem that doesn't add anything to the discussion. Neither side in these debates provides a compelling case, and little clarity about consciousness is achieved in Conversations on Consciousness. The leads to frequent inconsistency in the terminology used to describe the relation between consciousness and the brain: ncbi nlm nih gov/pmc/articles/PMC1456911/?tool=pmcentrez
@mattdorsey4634
@mattdorsey4634 3 жыл бұрын
Mercury negatively affects tubulin by affecting GTP (Boyd Haley's work). What, then, is this heavy metal doing to our consciousness?
@blasecyrone9309
@blasecyrone9309 2 жыл бұрын
its a poison anyway mate
@2k0ol1
@2k0ol1 13 жыл бұрын
so many words im not familiar with, :(
@ogfunk187
@ogfunk187 12 жыл бұрын
why DMT picture in thumbnail?
@toolsforliberty7686
@toolsforliberty7686 4 жыл бұрын
Monkey Magic can’t answer that, but can say that hameroff, in other presentations goes into the effects of increasing levels of vibration within microtubuals when subjected to Psilocybin, DMT, LSD etc. he believes and as the research seems to be beginning to confirm, enhances our connection to space-time-consciousness geometry.
@stevejames874
@stevejames874 3 жыл бұрын
Strange.....we are meant 2go2 the light 🙂👍
@MiroshnichenkoPeter
@MiroshnichenkoPeter 10 жыл бұрын
Где у диктора раскладка речевого движка меняется на русский ?
@RinarKR
@RinarKR 10 жыл бұрын
не плохая лекция ,но очень много терминов , лучше воспользоваться услугами мед переводчика...
@deusaquilusyou
@deusaquilusyou 13 жыл бұрын
Who's the first guy who commented?
@manusartifex3185
@manusartifex3185 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously I can’t grasp all the things he’s mentioning we need a more thorough breakdown
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
They can do things with nano sugar molecules back in 2012. Lil engines and odd shit
@KTK401
@KTK401 12 жыл бұрын
@mphello It is possible to demonstrate that Free Will exists.
@binra3788
@binra3788 7 жыл бұрын
@KTK401 If human experience is programmed by an illusion of freedom, (an attempt to possess it), then the underlying truth of (human) existence is freedom - including freedom to generate an experience of being trapped in your own thought forms. To freedom all experience is unconditionally embraced - but a fear of loss of freedom defines and defends itself - where a love of freedom is free to be itself within what is. No one makes a fake 11 dollar bill. Illusions are passing off as if they are the real thing - so once 'outed' they point to the very thing they initially seem to mask over and usurp. They become a choice that others may take - that I don't - or which has no purpose or meaning within who I accept myself to be. But what is the will" And what would freedom of will be? The mind can - and does - assert a sense of will as coercion - that generates compulsion and subjection to one's own 'mind'. (Is it possible to be trapped by your own thoughts?) We have the experience but whatever mind IS - remains as it is - while a conflicted sense of having become a surviving part of a sense of opposition, adversity and loss - takes itself to be your mind - with the attention you give it. Fragmentation of consciousness under a narrative that never does or can put Humpty together again - because its a false flag by which to 'coerce' one's own into a distortion of support for the king. A tyrannous will is dictated reality - a free will is a choice by which to uncover true Creation in place of narrative control of a wish to explore power over form - by investing and masking in the form as if it is the reality.
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
The mind and body are just one big organic biological computer of sorts
@pirocephalus
@pirocephalus 13 жыл бұрын
can you translate to spanish, or at least at english. good video
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Dwave to operation guru for starters
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Grand unified field theory has some answers
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Make artificial k lines for AI neuro networks
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
So how to make an AI Consciousnesly aware and highly at that. K -lines
@StephenPaulKing
@StephenPaulKing 7 жыл бұрын
Topological qubits!!!
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
They can make artificial microtubials
@FinisReflectatOpus
@FinisReflectatOpus 12 жыл бұрын
@KTK401 Free Will and Determinism are abstract words. There is no evidence that reality correlates in any way to this sort of artifice. In short, the question is likely absurd. Wittgenstein elaborates this at great length, but Kant (and prior, Plato, even) state the same. The point is that reason as presently misunderstood rests in it's entirety upon formalisms that Godel proved are *intrinsically* incomplete. Quantum Mechanics is THE way out or this mess, at present. This is open-ended.
@gorgolyt
@gorgolyt 12 жыл бұрын
sounds a little like roger penrose
@tehdreamer
@tehdreamer 4 жыл бұрын
Because its his theory
@sverko
@sverko 13 жыл бұрын
how can 6 bits = 1 byte in microtubules, when in computing, its an octet (8 byte) ??
@FedorSteeman
@FedorSteeman 7 жыл бұрын
sverko It's a question of convention.
@mandarkumthekar8565
@mandarkumthekar8565 5 жыл бұрын
Microtubules is nervous system of cell ! So what is the nervous system of microtubules?
@phoboskittym8500
@phoboskittym8500 4 жыл бұрын
Its little bio robots that move chemicals and proteins around the cytoskeleton
@aphysique
@aphysique 6 жыл бұрын
All this means in laymen terms, is pretty much why & what Tom Campbell has been lecturing on, Consciousness is externally, LCS!!Dean Radin has also been giving this Hypothesis about Collective Consciousness & the study of Quantum Entanglement, Non locality of one's consciousness, So Consciousness is everywhere & anywhere, We are it, it is us, Consciousness resides in the Ether amongst being or residing internally also!! The Fabric of the cosmos is made up Consciousness! 👁🙏🤓
@tawkinhedz
@tawkinhedz 11 жыл бұрын
i thought they proved that gap junctions between the neurons and glial cells dont exist
@AlainG80
@AlainG80 13 жыл бұрын
The Hameroff article: doi: 10.1007/s10867-009-9148-x compare that to 10.4161/self.1.3.12736 or 2010 June 3. doi: 10.1186/1753-4631-4-S1-S9 and you'll notice a lack of scientific ethics in his article that are in this presentation. Most importantly, hard empirical evidence is still required to validate any of these models: 2009 June 4. doi: 10.1007/s10867-009-9158-8
@michaelmcintosh6061
@michaelmcintosh6061 3 жыл бұрын
Flower of life over the tree of life in hinduism
@gorgolyt
@gorgolyt 12 жыл бұрын
11:20 the guy kind of lost my good opinion of him here when he insinuated that any criticism of his work must be because the critic finds it 'threatening' to their world view, rather than because they simply honestly think it's wrong. This is a highly anti-intellectual and rather paranoid comment to make, it seems to me.
@Akitabailey1
@Akitabailey1 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was a joke
@bovice5072
@bovice5072 3 жыл бұрын
It's a big stretch to assume he was insinuating that, and you seem to be granting a lot of your own interpretation to the nature of said criticism. What he's referring to there is scientific dogma. It's not world views that would be threatened; it's reputation and credibility. This is a well known problem in the scientific community today.
@athen33
@athen33 2 жыл бұрын
7:45 the red parts look like some chicken nuggets tho fr
@ks506soton
@ks506soton 13 жыл бұрын
Okay, I take it you study this? I wasn't expecting you to agree that I'm thick! You maybe highly intellectual, but that doesn't mean your manners have to drop. :P Don't worry I wasn't offended. Like us all we're no more than what we already are. We are all wired differently, that's for sure.
@natxosailor
@natxosailor 2 жыл бұрын
When someone tries to connect science to intuitive spiritual beliefs, matters become highly speculative. Quantum mechanics describe the behavior of sub-atomic particles. Micotubules are structures formed by large protein chains that behave according to biochemical rules. So, I do not understand the term “quantum biology”. Of course, quantum mechanics is ultimately behind all physical phenomenons in the universe… but I believe this story goes too far.
@christianschatzschneider6817
@christianschatzschneider6817 Жыл бұрын
As far as I understand it, benzene-rings held in these structures allow the interfacing between the macro and the quantuum while anesthetics interrupt these and more or less only these, which lead to the hypothesis in the first place. Penrose and Hameroff are highly trained scientists and Penrose even got a nobel price. Both did not use intuitive spiritual beliefs but the theory certainly leaves a window open for those people. And why not, why cares and why would you?
@tawkinhedz
@tawkinhedz 11 жыл бұрын
i really feel like each topic is a little too dense for most people, even phds in different fields to really challenge. most of the destruction of this model comes from trying to smash too much physics into too much biology which really no one should have been trying to do in the first place. Theres still no reason to suspect our physical senses detect quantum states and that those states collapsing affect us besides viewing the results
@binra3788
@binra3788 7 жыл бұрын
why presume that the quantum isn't pervasively active throughout the experience of the sense-mapped physical?
@truthwarrior2149
@truthwarrior2149 7 жыл бұрын
In the disclosure project there is an interview with a young man whose father was an area 51 engineer. He relates a story his father told him describing a piece of amazing, presumably alien, technology that was organic and conscious.. His father indicated that when they tested it, it blew up. Could this be the secret to quantum computation?. Inducing quantum processes in laboratory grown microtubules? In that event, artificial intelligence may not be so artificial?
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