It really is unfortunate. I'm not alone in this for sure. I tell myself that they are backups and they are but there's probably no way all of them will break.

"I am looking into your future, I see you living alone, I see you have lots of crt's.... my that's a lot of crt's....."

I hate them

I only have 2

I have 2 now

Plus if you’re sensitive to flicker, you can double the screen refresh rate (if the horizontal refresh is high enough in KHz), at least on a PC. Comes at the cost of some image cross-talk, but I’d imagine it would still look better than VRR on an LCD display. Personally, I’d like to try that at 240P, and then pair it with AMD’s AFMF (which while isn’t great with 3D games, makes 2D scrolling look smoother) to further smoothen how retro games look, would be a really cool thing to experiment with and see how it affects latency.

PC CRT Monitores are far supperior to PVM's, they have the same quality as any BVM, and can go up to 4:3 4K resolution. Also way way cheaper

Exactly what I do as well: scandoubler with a MiSTer to a VGA CRT. Unfortunately it doesn't work with the PS1 core, and the upcoming Saturn and Jaguar cores probably won't play nice either.

And the best geometry available if that matters to you. I know it does for me with older tile heavy games and anything with lots of menus.

I am surprised no one has hit you with the 'that's not legit 240p 60hz, that's image doubling 240p at 120hz' argument. I have not seen it with my own naked eye balls but from videos that I have seen I would be very happy with it because it looks incredible in my opinion. It makes the picture brighter too.

In the Rpi scene i'm pretty sure i've read about use of 240p @ 120hz but I think you are referring to original hardware

It's always a shame that 15 kHz was thrown out the window during those IBM days 480p became a thing. So many dos games ended up 240p line-doubled and no scanlines. Of course DOOM at 240p..... eheh-heh-heh!

My 31khz VGA CRT did something weird today that this reminded me of, it suddenly started accepting resolutions lower than its usual minimum. Previously, anything under 640x480 just gave me a “frequency too low” error on the monitor, but today it suddenly stopped giving that warning, at all. So I can transmit any resolution I want to it below 640x480 now with some careful settings. I’ve found it’s most useful for GBA games, I can emulate them and perfectly integer scale it to 480x320, and it looks amazing on my CRT, the scanlines are really well spaced and it looks lovely and bright. But I also managed to run emulators at 320x240 (I needed to do some tinkering in Nvidea settings to make this work, it only seems to understand signals with at least 450x300 pixels, but if I specify the signal so it has 320x240 active pixels and 480x320 total pixels, it just only displays the 320x240, and it’s easy to show it on fullscreen with some adjustment, and it looks really good and super sharp, with proper scanlines that look as thick as a PVM, it’s really impressive, but I personally don’t like that look very much and I find scanlines like that give me eye strain, so I mainly stick with 320x240+ resolutions. If I try to go below 450x300 total pixels (so far, I keep finding new ways around the restrictions.) it just shuts down the monitor, but as long as the total pixels stay at that level I can technically feed it any amount of active pixels, but with numbers less than half of total pixels tends to cause some weirdness, running it at 240x160 for native resolution GBA for example technically worked, but it didn’t fit the screen very well, the image was too small and in the corner, and even with the settings I couldn’t quite get it to fill the screen, and in this mode the scanlines are so enormous that it looks awful to me, I much prefer to line double it with integer scaling and then display it that way. Sadly it doesn’t seem to have actually become a 15khz monitor, but it’s been a lot of fun to mess with. 24khz arcade games look great on it, and it’s awesome to play Model 1, 2 and 3 games at native resolution, and since they are below 800x600 I can run them at 120hz too for flicker free gaming without extra judder from using 85hz or something.

This is exactly my plan. Glad to hear it's working well for you.

Gollot, yes indeed, gbs-control is amazing for the price.

You mean PVM 20L5. 15kHz PVM's like 20L2, 20M2, don't look like that. Color lines are much thicker.

No they're not lol!

They cost $5000 If they come up online

@@alpzepta pretty much. Pc crt is over

I don't get really how you can use Retrotink2x on a older VGA monitor, there's no VGA connector (DE-15) on the device, only composite, component, or hdmi... Or does Bobby use some extra converter? hdmi to VGA?

Only SD CRTs suffer from 15Khz whine. Computer monitors are 31Khz, so no whine.

how young is your wife where she can still hear it?

@@rat9625 I'm 27 and can still hear it. Of of my 22 yo friends came over and could not remember that whine from when they where younger and asked about it

That's not true. That combination will cause an electrical fire.

I use an old black and white 4" monitor. I use RF adapters. It looks so bad. I love channel 3!

@@jacobprayer8656 now that you've mentioned it, I just noticed my house is on fire.

@@Supervocetubeia64 also be sure to adjust the flux capacitor.

Brilliant how did you hook up a megadrive genesis this way could you send me some links on how to?

Just search for "Monitor" without "CRT" and sort by lowest price. I got a Lacie electron blue for 20€ and that's a monitor used in photography with a Mitsubishi Diamondtron tube.

@@kraussthrowaway3052 Facebook market place?

Dats a good monitor

Thank you :)

I don't think VGA monitors would accept any kind of interlaced signal at all. That's an interesting thought though...I'd definitely like to try it out!

@@RetroRGB well "VGA" monitors would not, if we're strictly talking about monitors capable of 640x480 max. But if the monitor syncs to a high enough scanrate to support 1024x768 it would also support 720p and therefore 1440i. It works very well on a Sony F520 for example. I remember testing 1440i with my D32 as well, but that signal was generated by a Groovymame PC, not by an OSSC. Yes, if you still have everything setup, throw a PS2 game in and test the 3x laced mode :) it looks way better than Bob deinterlacing, IMO.

@@RetroRGB Funnily enough - I've tested this on at least two CRT monitors. A HP P1110 (that I can't further test on atm - repairs pending. I'll need to sub to your Patreon and ask for advice there), and a LG Studioworks 900B. They respect interlacing as long as it's over 31kHz. I should test with my other monitors, but I'm in quite a cramped household at the moment.

Yeah I was really surprised myself when I tested x3 on my Gateway and line-doubled interlaced was working perfectly! It's strange cause I tried this with my LG led and that was the only mode that wasn't recognized. Go figure! The other x3, x4 ,x5 modes for 240p content are great once you start adding vertical scanlines and adjusting them with hybrid. The other line doublers and scalers totally lack this feature, so I had to push for this to be included!

@@RetroRGB I used to run Xbmc in 1080i on my modded Xbox with the Neoya (think that's the name) X2VGA dongle. Was a bit dark, but looked amazing.

Thank you!

@@RetroRGB I found an emachines VGA Monitor on the street in good condition a few months ago. Searched for how to connect and your channel came up. Subbed shortly after. Thanks again

Thanks so much!

At long as it's JUST an HDMI to VGA converter, almost any of them should be zero lag and work with 480p. Just avoid any one that says it scales the image.

One other thing I may be considering a quick upload test on ossc 5x on an led panel just to show how nicely it competes wih the bvm. You can bring up line counts all you want, but in many cases, there seems as if there's no lines at all. Just those razor thin custom scanlines that show we're a step away from total preservation until panel tech catches up properly.

I am agree 👍Vga crt with a upscaler, it is the best option even better than some Pvm, cause better convergence and sharpness.

@@voltz15 Hey, I'd like to ask the hdmi to vga adapter that you're using so you can output 1600x1200 (OSSC x5). I believe Tendak one is not compatible. I will try with the Portta one soon. Thanks.

@@shianchuu I'm using an onn adapter I picked up from Walmart.

The only trouble I've ever had with Dreamcast lighgun games is with a bad gun. Once I got a good one, they work on all CRT's, in all supported resolutions.

@@RetroRGB thanks for the quick reply (What lightguns do you use?) I've tested the madcatz which is meh and the star fire light blaster which is better imho. Its noticable on the corners and perimeter of the screen in calibration where aiming is kinda jumpy. So basically 1 or 2 bosses in the House of the Dead. My Sony Wega Trinitrons even the ones at 60hz are also less accurate than a Panasonic Tau CRT I've tested. Maybe I need to get a new light gun?

Thanks! I actually just found it on eBay for $100. I've seen them pop up for that price pretty regularly though.

@@RetroRGB Awesome, thanks. I recently also picked up a new old stock crt monitor. It's pretty cool how it's been preserved after all this time. Focus and brightness are all great on these new sets.

I didn't, which is why I think the GBS could look even better. I'll get to that in the GBS video... :)

@@RetroRGB thank you so much. Love your channel taught me so much about retro gaming. Keep safe

I went into great detail about there here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbx_prKmtpvRmIE.html There's no "missed opportunity", I just didn't want to waste people's time by showing it all over again.

Good question: General speaking, as long as they don't scale the image, they shouldn't add lag. Also, almost all the ones I've tried work great with 480p, so you don't have to worry about compatibility.

Scanlines are the lines that makes up the image. Not the black in-between lines.

@@vinnievincent85 I know that, nerd. Its just people commonly refer to them that way.

Yes, however all I had access to for these shots was the GBS8220 without the fix. I bit it would be better with the regular gbs8200.

Zero-lag HDMI to VGA Converter used in this video: amzn.to/2BYLDZv

Thanks! Yes, that console has a NESRGB installed. It’ll work the same with a composite video cable and a RetroTINK 2X Pro…but obviously won’t be as clear.

@@RetroRGB thanks for that!!!

Thanks! I use FBX's profiles, set it to 480p and set the phase on a flat panel. Then I save (overwrite) the profile and use it with a VGA monitor...or just set it back to 5x and use it with a flat panel: www.firebrandx.com/osscprofiles.html

I've only tested HDMI to VGA in basic resolutions like 240p, 480p and 720p. The one I link to in the description works fine with all of those.

I will test the Portta one soon. I'm also interested in a hdmi to vga adapter with 1600x1200 support.

Yes, 480p works great! I'll have more videos on GBS Control soon...just make sure to do the mod and not just use the GBS8200's regular firmware. The wifi modules required should be cheap too.

@@RetroRGB Thanks Bob, you are great!

There's a tendak HDMI to vga converter that adds 0 delay. Unfortunately those games internally render at 16:9, so they will never look "proper" on a 4:3 display.

For Gamecube, all you'd need is something like a Carby and a cheap HDMI to VGA converter: retrorgb.link/cheapdac insurrectionindustries.com/product/carby-v2/ For PS2, you'd probably want the GBS Control, since it will scale 480i and pass through 480p.

Your understanding is correct - There MIGHT still be compatibility issues with 480p (especially with SNES and NES), but there are far less than with all other modes.

Well, the framemiester's lag is pretty solid at one frame, so it'll still be a great experience. It's the scalers that constantly bounce between 1 and 3 frames that are bad, since you can't ever adjust your timing.

I FEEL your pain. My Amiga's 1084s died in like 2005, and I let that thing go way too easily. Probably could've had it fixed up with a little bit of effort, but I didn't know better back then!!

15 kHz and 240p are just doubled up to 31 kHz 480p vga and higher. Hdmi to vga adapters are under $20 these days. Even my Gateway accepts 480i passthru as line doubled 31 kHz (Mode 3). Who would have ever thought to see that on a pc display!

Check the description for the link to the HDMI to VGA converter I used.

I've been looking for a YPbPr to VGA transcoder for this exact reason. The only one I found is the beharbros garo. I would output in 480p through the emulators' scalers and use the scanline generator built into the garo

Joeffrey Smith there's a transcoder made in New Zealand that appears on eBay now and again. But I'm using my GBS8200 to do it.

@@joeffreysmith5910 The GBS8200 has a YPbPr to VGA transcoder, I'm not sure how it compares to other ones though.

Use the emulator retroarch and the shader CRT royale filter. It creates that anti aliasing look on all those pixels. I actually use the ntsc svideo preset and it looks very authentic to a CRT through emulation.

@@jason160uk thanks I will try it out

@@Domarius64 It does require 1440p and above to look right. I also use an overlay to give an image of a CRT. I use one that has a reflection on the screen for added effect.

@@jason160uk ahh, thanks for the heads up. I don't have a 4k screen but I knew we might get there again one day with enough improvement in resolution and colour to simulate it in a more nuanced way :)

@@jason160uk I might want to hit you up for tips, it's really rare to see someone interested in recreating CRT accurately. Let me know if you have a Discord or something you want to share.

Probably the same, as they're syncing off 15KHz.

I think it's just how a noisy composite signal looks when recorded from one inch away from the tube :)

@@RetroRGB It's called composhit for a reason! :D You're lucky you didn't have to deal with dot crawl.

As long as you're sending the HD CRT 480p, it'll be the exact same as what I showed in this video - Enable basic scalines and it'll look 480p. In my opinion, that's a great solution. Just keep in mind many HD CRT's add lag.

Component and RGB inputs both work fine for this :)

@@RetroRGB Thanks for answering Bob! I'm having a blast messing around with a crt monitor.

I show this in the video.

You're right, I think I forgot to show the HDMI to VGA converter. I showed the "front" part of the setup at 1:20 that at least proves it's zero lag. The link to my converter in is the description and here's more info on both lag testing and what DAC's I use: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbx_prKmtpvRmIE.html

@@RetroRGB, I just wish I knew which HDMI to component converter to buy.