If you want to experiment in a way where you may make something OP (changing ANYTHING), you really need it to not count for a bit. You need the ability to mulligan. This is them throwing everything out there, from Warlock tanks to Mage healer, to let them see what's the WORST shit they should never do again. Don't worry, we're gonna tell them. And we're also gonna tell them what we like. And that goes into the next iteration, a "real Classic+"

I feel like they were in super deep into development when making SoD and over the last 6 months they saw the want for a classic +. My tin foil hat idea is that the lvl cap is there to buy then more time to actually integrate the classic plus aspect the higher you get in levels. I’m optimistic and feel it’s gonna be a lot of fun. Plus we can die again lol. Finally

I'm interested in SoD, and I think some of the wilder changes could make for a fun time. It's like taking a week's vacation to Disneyland but people are treating it like you're moving into Disneyland. WOW's community treats the game like it's a sacred relic and that they're the priests. You're not allowed to touch it in a way they say you can't, and they fight over who is allowed to say what

And it's okay if warlocks are the worst tanks. Or if rogues are the worst tanks. It's okay to be the worst tank, okay? -Paladin players

I think a point almost every KZfaqr/streamer that’s talked about their thoughts on classic plus has missed, or at least didn’t make an impactful enough statement on is the class revamping in regards to adding more roles. How many tanks were there in vanilla….1! Sure Druids could offtank or do dungeons, but if you wanted to tank, you were warrior or you picked a different role. How many warriors would be in a 40 man MC run? 20+!!! Because they were the top dps by a large margin, no one played demo lock, no one played ret pally, no one played combat rogue….these changes give every class so many more options to experience the game and makes every group comp that much better because of it.

I hope they do a Gnomer and SM raid at the same time. Think of walking up to SM and the STAIR ENTRANCE is a raid portal and when we enter, the whole lobby door area is a raid. Clear each wing to get the keys for the doors. 100% ready for it.

I am excited. Seeing Stormwind or Ironforge filled with lvl 25s sounds fun. I think lvl 40 will be the most fun bracket, with people getting their mounts and lvl 40 talents.

I heard that they're increasing the damage of all mobs to compensate for the increased player power, but their health stays the same. The idea is that you should feel stronger, but the world should still feel dangerous so you can't just pull 5 mobs at a time because then you're gonna die. But not increasing their health also sounds a bit problematic. Some of the new abilities will allow you to pretty much one-shot mobs before they get a chance to hit you.

Out of all the reactions to SoD I'vee seen, this is definitely the one I feel the closest to. Surprised, concerned but cautiously optimistic.

I am excited about this. I think they nailed the reason classic doesn't feel as classic like.. Because every detail has been min/maxed to infinity. There is no mystery or divergence if you miss spend 2 talent points you can be kicked from a raid. It is just not what made us love the game. So discovering new things and play styles is exactly the perfect take on what we want even if we didn't realize we wanted it. I have high hopes.

I think in practice it'll be fun, having all the runes unlocked right away in the blizzcon demo was overwhelming but doing all sorts of fun new content to slowly unlock them will be different :)

What people want for WoW plus is the private server Turtle WoW with a focus on refining classes and finishing old content that never came out as well as expanding content consistent with the lore. What you are getting is private server Ascension that throws the class rules out of the window and just goes with whatever change sounds fun in concept.

When I think of classic plus I think of what classic could have been reimagined to be. SoD is the place to trial that and to see what people like and don’t like. It’s to explore all the ‘“what ifs”. What was interesting to me is I thought your point of limited development time. I completely agree with that. With limited time they need to make sure what they make will work for a real classic plus in the future. This is the testing grounds for that. I don’t think it was realistic for them to create new zones, create real new 25 or 40 man raids with the limited amount of development time they have. Great video though!

Today you have to either hate or love things. You need to pick a camp. You can't just try a thing out and be the judge yourself. Then decide if you want to keep doing it, or go on to another thing. That would be insane. And TBH even if you hate a thing.. make sure you keep consuming content about said thing and tell everyone that doesn't hate it why they are wrong.

I’m stoked! My only worry is they pop in a last minute WoW token or level boost

I think its a cool idea. My only fear is the lose of "Class" Identity that we all love about Classic. The problem I've always had with Retail is that all the classes feel the same with minor differences.

I like the idea of non pigeon holed classes into certain roles in order to raid. The wide range of choices now lets people play the flavor of class they like while in a Classic era version of WoW. I think there will be a repeatability of those older raids even at higher level eventually. This also feels like this is Classic + Beta test to send it and see what sticks. They could add runes to Classic WoW as plus content if we say uncovered them in an Uldum Patch that opens up these new class augmenting runes that are a there for the players to discover like in SOD. Could be really fun.

If you watch Crix's interview...they started on this project when they released Classic in 2019.

keep pumping them videos, we all love them!

6:28 Nice Thumbnail @SaysafeTV, i feel like i recognize it somehow :D✌️

I felt targeted when he said shadow priest

100% agree with Staysafe here. I think he speaks for a lot of us old Classic fans. Personally, I didn't think that many people in that subreddit were that positive about Season of Discovery. Everything that was laid off towards the end of this video about low hanging fruits was what I wanted to see in Season of Discovery. But instead, Blizzard put in the time to make many changes. It makes classes lose their identity if a rogue / warlock can tank and a mage can heal...

Love the idea im apprehensive about the homologous nature of the rune system. But ill wait to see how it plays all around im excited to give it a try

As someone who struggled to find enjoyment in classic due to the way the classes felt so simple, it's compelling for me to want to try this season of classic. I like the idea of there being a bit more meat to the class specs. And my personal favorite, shaman tanking, is an absolute home run for bringing me to classic. With the added bonus that Ele get's Lava Burst. I can chunk meatballs in Classic WoW. That's dope.

Feel the same, lot of this comes out of left field. However I would say Blizz could have just announced cata and retail at blizzcon and never bothered with any form of classic+, so for that Im looking forward to trying SoD and see where it goes

something fun to try and fuck around in and giving them more ammo showing people want classic+ and getting that eventually sounds good to me especially with finding out what works and what doesnt, hope im not being too optimistic

I think that the scope of the raid changes are mostly boss changes. I don’t think the lay out and environment is different. Which probably severely cuts down on development time.

What would be crazy is if they do season of discovery like 3 times and then release it as classic plus. Onion progression > vertical / horizontal progression.

This launching as a 'seasonal' server is a good idea. No mater how much it gets messed up itll get 'reset'. Excited to play around with it. Im also excited to try a classic where we arnt pigeon holed into 1 role per class, and only warrior tanks etc.

I think we should be commending Blizzard for taking some risks in recent times they have been notorious for taking the safe route and not being creative. Now they finally do and people are mad. I have NFI how to please these people. Personally I can't wait, the raids will still get use when people are leveling new characters. A new raid is easier to make than a new zone. Blizzard is listening and ready to make adjustments along the way with all the new abilities added. I only wish they would use a poll system for the community to decide things.

It definitely wasn't what I expected, but it may turn out to be better!

Imo it looks fun and I’m excited for it, at worst it’s going to be a good testing ground for what works well and what should be included in a more traditional style classic +

The lvl 25 cap is awesome in my mind. Im with you about the mage healer rogue tank etc but still will be cool I think the end goal is for lvl 60 classic plus with a few lvl cap stops on the way to give time to adjust to new metas and see where to land in regards to lvl 60 end game classic plus.

The questions I would like to know is how does this impact my classic characters or retail characters. Like whats making me want to play season of discovery. Is there other stuff to do beside raiding in Season of Discovery. What if we cant get 10 people to do the raid. What if you are solo is there anything for me to do by myself. No body is gonna want pugs in their raid group come launch day.

Everybody wanted Turtle WoW , but we got Ascension Wow . sadge

yes the traditional wow experience of 39 warriors and 1 rogue,,,,,super fun

I think it's a genius move to do this from Blizzard. It's a way to take a new spin on an already loved game. There is no one forcing people to play this new experimental version of the game and i'm assuming the old classic servers are still going to be available? So either way it opens up the avenue for players to enjoy their favorite version of WoW in a new setting with new content. Some people simply enjoy the pacing of classic wow compared to Retails faster paced playstyle. So giving these players ways of expanding on the classic era version of WoW's fundamental mechanical functionality is a really good thing imo.

My take is that whilst we have leveling caps it's guna get meme'd on, but once we're at level 60 and people are doing MC, BWL, AQ or anything new ie; Kara Crypts, people who didn't like it or want it guna have that FOMO.

Judging by the math, 1/3 of the community is upset. It is only the warrior rogue mage warlock mains Who are upset about SOD, they just want the SAME solved meta game where THEY are the best. We already got that, it’s definitely time for a new thing!

I agree with your analogy of cutting down the classic+ tree and throwing up a new one. It would have been enough to raise up the meme specs, the shadow priest, the retribution paladin, the balance Druid, etc, to give them new itemization / tier gear. To add new leveling dungeons, perhaps a new zone. These would have been tasteful changes in line with what people know and love. As far as the idea of building content that no one will do after two months, I think a way around that is to scale those dungeons up when the next cap is introduced. So at level 40, scale up blackfathom deeps so that it is still content that can be done.

I am so pumped for SoD. Classic + meant something different to everyone you ask. This is Blizzards version and I’m excited to try it out! PS I tried the demo at blizzcon and it was hella fun. Went thru the line twice to try two different classes

Classic players have been begging for a shake up and when they get it half of them condemn it. I don’t think they know what they want lol. Good on bliz for shooting a shot, I hope it works out- am excite!

I personally really like mage healers and rogue/warlock tanks. One of the most difficult things to do is find a tank or healer for groups. You can waste hours trying to do this. Making some of the most played classes have the opportunity to cover these highly needed roles is great. Imagine this, you can play a priest and you don't HAVE to be a healer every single time. You can be a warrior and not tank 100% of dungeons. You can be a paladin and do more than cast flash of light. Making ret and shadow viable means nothing because everyone needs you to heal in regular classic but now you have a chance. What a cool idea that now you can have a warrior, priest, mage, rogue, hunter. And instead of the same ol same ol you can have a rogue tank, mage heal, shadow priest for great off heals and damage, and a warrior DPS to offtank some adds that slip by. And the hunter can mulitshot and wipe the group the way god intended.

What if they take all these new leveling raids and give us a scaled up 60 leveled version of those raids so they aren’t wasted over time

It's a lot different than the classic+ that I would build, but there a lot of pros to making a lot of changes. All of the classic content, like guides and such, need to get remade. It's a huge opportunity for creators and a lot of entertainment for people to dig into. Imagine all of the new gold making strategies (solo dungeons, etc) just waiting to be found, for instance.

I think the only thing holding this back for most people is the ham-fisted way new abilities and content is being added. If the same idea of adding onto unfinished classes and specs was achieved through more flavorful means and talent tree tweaking I don't think there would be anywhere near as many people against Season of Discovery. Also, it's time for people to understand that Classic+ is not Classic nor should it be minor changes, you will never have the initial experience of 2004 or 2019 again. The same way that OSRS isn't 2007Scape from a content and balance standpoint that needs to be the mindset going into Season of Discovery and Classic+ if it were to happen. And here's a bit of a sacred cow roast, the way that Warlock, Hunter, Druid, and Paladin turned out in Vanilla and Classic was not ingenious class design and fantasy but the result of muddled and unfinished ideas. Hunters hilariously didn't even talent trees until after the Beta and that shows even through to 1.12. So I say bring on Tanking Shamans, Rogues, Warlocks, and Priests. Let Arcane mage become a Mistweaver, make melee Hunters viable, and make gear better itemized for every spec. Nerf Engineering into the ground and add talent trees to professions. Rebalance all the activated racial abilities for niche PvP application and distribute more +weapon skill racials. Make those level 25, 40, and 50 raids into Heroic 5 mans for level 60s.

hi staysafe, i don't know if you'll read this comment but i want to add my thoughts as a player who enjoyed WoW the most during classic launch. IF the devs implement changes, i'd like them to be: regarding classes, while i'm open to trying out new stuff, in reality i'd preffer if the changes were only applied to certain specs to actually make them viable to play, and leave the ones that work mostly untouched. so that means no mage healers, no warlock or rogue tanks. the only class i'd be ok with being changed to a tank would be enh shamans, since they are analogous to paladins but on the horde side. also, classes should remain specific and shouldn't be able to do anything and everything. more important than classes though i think are the changes to the gameplay and the world. i think releasing the leveling through phases is a genius idea. leveling is one of the best parts of classic and this system makes people take their time playing the game instead of rushing to 60. also, reworking dungeons into entry level/leveling raids sounds awesome. i am very excited for the prospect of a scarlet monastery or a BRD raid. lastly, i'd like to see changes to the world in accordance to the spirit of classic but taking into account player power and experience. because lets face it, the game is kinda "solved" and that's a problem. the world needs to regain a sense of danger and mystery and that for me is a make or break for Classic +. an easy way to do this is increasing mob health and damage, but i'd like for the systems to be reworked deeper and further than that. rework and double down on resistances for example. things like werewolves being weak to silver weapons, undead being resistant to shadow and weak to light, armored mobs being resistant to slashing weapons but weak to blunt, etc. perhaps make new types of curses and diseases as permanent debuffs that stay on your character until you get dispelled or cured. small changes like that add to the whole feel of an "RPG".

I'm so excited to try something new! we can always get a vanilla classic fresh in the future!

great perspective. i agree with you on most points, its not what we wanted or expected. It might be a little too much. i guess ill give it a go while the hype is real

Pre 2019 Classic I think i would have gone for the smaller changes. After playing classic for years (and quitting in TBC) I am happy they went for some bolder changes to start things off. Otherwise I dont think I would be as excited to come back.

I think this could be very, very fun but I can definitely see why there's such a divide. I personally think mage healers and warlock tanks is a bit over the top. Looking forward to trying it out though!

I think its good for them to develop raid content prior to level 60. Gives people lots of options during the level up stage on how they want to approach it.

You pretty much summed up my thoughts exactly.

Can’t wait, was a lot of fun to play at blizzcon

I'm cautiously optimistic. Hopefully things go well and they build iteratively on it.

I think its a good idea to spend development resources on a lvl 25 raid, 35 raid, 45 raid and so on - paired with level caps. We might get more seasons of Discovery and Classic+ in the future - The level caps make people actually enjoy all the content and zones in the game, instead of everyone just rushing and boosting to level 60 and end-game directly. I think its great, to be honest.

Love the content. Keep up the work. I would like to see you on Whatever Podcast again next year.

Im alright with it so far. Only issue i have is that some runes have that retail touch, like to flashy for classic.

I think its a good idea and I appreciate them going out and trying something new and a bit risky. I am pleasantly surprised. Seeing more classes be viable will be awesome and if people don't like the rogue tank mage healer wonky builds then they can just change things up in the future. It seems like they should be able to be flexible with it since the rune system is not super complicated. The fact that it only goes to level 25 for now will make it easier to try different classes so I don't think I will run out of content very quickly, but people who don't like to play multiple alts might run out of content.

I don’t have an issue with mage heals, druid* Windfury totem, rogue tanks, lock tanks, etc - it means horde will be able to utilize Tranquil Air; there will be less warriors overall, and there will be more options for tanks and healers. I feel this is all good for a Classic+ scenario. Button line: I asked for shaman tank, I got shaman tank, I’m thrilled ❤️ Dual-Wield shaman tank for elemental fights sounds awesome

Played an oomkin in SOM and they were fine. Might try another again in SOD.

Biggest issue for me is they are putting player power behind what is supposed to be a fun exploration element. If I know I want to be using my cool ability that means I’m going to look up online how to get it as fast as possible and not wait to run across it naturally. These items are now part of your toolkit to be compete.

Well said, liked the back half of your video especially

I generally agree with this take. Classic+ was never perceived to be adding Wrath talents or giving pure DPS classes the ability to fill other roles. There are enough shortcomings with meme specs, and there was some issues that were addressed in patch 2.0 that might be able to incorporate into a Classic+ without severely upsetting the Vanilla class design. Kings for Horde might make some modern players feel like they're more comfortable, but perfect faction balance was not the intent in Vanilla. Once you start down that path, then there are a other talents or racials that one side or the other will want. If they are going to spend time building ephemeral level 25 content, I would rather they just find a way to incorporate endgame raids that could seamlessly fit into the lore and Vanilla map, there continues to be numerous opportunities do do so.

The big thing to remember is that we still have vanilla WoW no changes. I think it's important to really mix it up in the new seasons to try and rejuvenate the system and the meta. It's a temporary shake-up and if it flops all of these classic Andy's can just go back to vanilla. If it's great then we have a bunch of new content for vanilla which is great IMO.

Love they're willing to experiment, but now there's no excuse to not fix the problems; Faction balance, boosts, multi-box, bots, gold buyers, lack of world PvP, raids designed around meta builds and addons, obsolete low-level zones, new expansion makes old content obsolete, lack of community building such as REQUIRED group content outside sweaty raids, etc. At this point it just looks like they're adding retail gameplay to Classic's world. - Rune: Damage + X - Monster: Health + X - Gameplay = Same I would love to see things like.. - Runes add penalty with buff. Like "Grants extra swing, but health reduced to 50%". This makes balancing easier and players must weigh the benefits/penalties of each rune. - Forced faction balance. Before character creation, the player has to select the faction. Only servers with

SoD should be seen as a pilot for an eventual "Classic+" so don't worry if some of the experimental variables seem poorly tuned

If you made an option “I’ll try it, but skeptical because it’s not what I wanted”, that would’ve won

As for the longevity of the new raids like BFD, once the cap hits 40 they can balance it for a 5 man dungeon again and you just go into it as normal, maybe keep the new mechanics but maybe not. I think even having a fun 10 player dungeon at 25 could be fun as your leveling to 40 and eventually 60

Two things: Having BFD, or, low level raids makes perfect sense, and yes they should spend time on it. Maybe for hardcore players and experience players that doesn't make sense, but having played this game since 2004 i don't know how many times i've told friends "you'll love this game! the raids are amazing, you just need to play 6 months to get to level 60 to experience it" and they just say "then i'll bail out. thanks". Having no raids in low levels is exactly the same as saying "there's no BG's until you get to 60" would anyone like that? That will give guilds reasons to come together at lower levels to accomplish things and start making friends. Regarding the point of cadence, well, my group is all 40's or close to it and we all started playing wow in 2004. The reason why everyone is actually playing SoD is because of that. Without any level bracket delay what would happen is that a small minority reaches level 60 extremely fast and the remaining persons will be left behind way too much and when we finally get to max level no one really wants to take us along because now everyone is already doing AQ or Naxx and we're now full of greens. They only need to keep this level delay small and not take more than 1/2 month per level bracket and get at each level brackets raids and things for people to farm for 2 or 3 weeks while the remaining people level up.

I believe in Chris Metzen! It is the time to bring some fresh air into Wow. Guys it has been 20 years! And in time the classes will adjust to the class fantasy once again. Back in classic we didn't even know what a MOONKIN was. NOW EVERYBODY knows about "brrrrrrr STARFIRE brrrrrrrrrr" 😂 or was it MOONFIRE? I don't know any more. But you get my point 😂

I'm super looking forward to SoD, as someone that hasn't played wow since a few weeks into Dragonflight. I love all the things they are adding and I like the level cap at 25. Gives a super short level up process, so it's casual feeling. Sure, streams and others will no live the content and will probably finish everything in a few days. But it's still fine for others that can't game for 8+ hours a day too. Maybe it'll be a week before I get 25 and can raid. I enjoy the rune system to mix up the classes a bit, glad they are changing things up to make things fresh. I've seen people get bad because Blizz isn't innovating but here they are using imagination to add stuff to classes and people still get mad. What are they actually looking for? I haven't played wow in over a year but will be giving SoD a try.

Guys Will be there Arena in Sod ?

I think SoD is very valid for a season. It will certainly be fresh and new. I hope they scale the new "raids" to make them relevant at higher levels. I don't think the small numbers tweaking/rebalancing you're talking about wouldn't be enough to make Classic+ relevant. We need new content like you mentioned, but that is all way more effort than what SoD is bringing. SoD is a taste of change that is cheap for the devs. New content is a lot harder and will likely depend on how SoD is received and the feedback.

I'm excited because if it's trash and we hate it then it's over in a year and we can try something different. And if it's great, then the next season can build off it. It's a win-win. Us trying this out is giving Blizzard the courage to try new things.

Your points about sod being a litmus test for classic + caught my attention. I don’t think blizz is using sod to test whether or not to do classic +, they have already committed substantial resources to revamping dungeons into raids and will more likely launch + servers in the future than not. Sod is just a way to test which specs, skills, metas to include in classic + servers when that time comes, and which metas were poorly received. To test these ideas in a non permanent seasonal timeline gives them a way to gather community feedback rather than release classic + in an unfinished state and have it be poorly received. To me this is blizzs way of engaging the classic community in the development of classic + rather than guessing at what the community wants. I also would imagine the bfd 10 man raid will be rebalanced to level cap in the future than to just die forever in first phase sod. But we will see.

I really hope they finish the rogue questline… always bugged me that you put in all the effort and in didn’t continue. Good opportunity to get a rogue BiS rune maybe?

i thought they said you can do the same raid again at max level every level cycle im pretty sure

You are 100% correct, sadly it's impossible to explain this to retail-brains.

My favorite way to level has always been to have decent if not the best gear that I can have while I do so. If SoD will force people to stick around and farm me gear that will make me stronger out there in the free world, I’m all for it. Def going to play on a pvp server as well

You don't have to worry about the content. There's plenty. And with such a low lvl cap people will lvl multiple classes to 25, try out all specs/runes. World PvP & tournaments. Raids on cities. And the promise of new content will make people stay. And btw... watching developers speak on Blizzcon made clear they care deeply about SoD / classic plus. Your concerns are unfounded.

I couldn't agree more. I want some minor class rebalancing and new content, not a complete overhaul of the entire game that makes it feel like a different thing. I also agree about the lack of content in SoD - what am I supposed to do at lvl 25 for a month or more - I'd rather just be able to level freely all the way to 60 with the new rune system than be stuck doing some BFD raid for weeks on end - put that development effort into endgame.

i love it, and I lovelovelove it! Honestly just excited to try something new in the classic world. And its seasonal so if it happends to be kinda bad then its prolly over pretty soon

Mark me in the excited camp and can't wait to see where it goes.

I honestly think this sounds like a lot of fun. Seems like they have taken some private server stuff and added it to classic. IF the community buys in this could be fun to do stuff at lower level caps. The PTR streams from lower levels were so much fun to watch. I would love to get to be apart of some of these lower level events. Is it perfect no. Is it classic+ no. But I love the idea of look at this as classic + beta.

A major thing with all the "new meme" specs is that besides mage healer they are not new. Rogue has dodge talents and could tank very limited melee based bosses - but could not hold threat. Shaman Tanks were a thing during classic, they just couldnt tank raids. Warlock Tanks is a gimmick introduced during aq40 that gets pulled out every couple of patches that now gets its time to shine in the sun. Paladin Tanks were always on the verge of being a real thing but obviously didnt have a taunt.

It is possible the lower level raids will help increase leveling speed as the level cap goes up. They may not be the endgame later. But, they will help get you to endgame faster.

Im excited for the chaos and bugs that will come out from the no testing/beta for it. Sounds like a blast and i look at this as a way to play classic in a non hardcore way to me it seems like having a 25 cap is a way for them to have players willingly give it a try without having to split the playerbase from the already 3 different versions of wow people are playing with vanilla wotlk and retail something to do while you wait for your raid for the week or something. It would be cool is when they raise the level cap they rebalance and raise the difficulty of all those raids previously to have a bunch of raida to do at end game

What will happen to this characters when season ends?

This video is much nicer than how the actual stream went KEKW

I feel like the level caps and low level raids are designed to be carried over to seasons of classic+, there used to be a thriving level 20 F2P twink meta on retail so I think as long as it feels like the time is long enough to be worth farming BiS gear it'll work well. The runes and other stuff seems to be borrowed from the Ascension WoW private server, not too big a fan of them and can't wait for rogue tank to wipe the raid by fat fingering vanish.

I really hope SoD is just the litmus test for whether developing new Classic+ content is worth it. I like the idea of runes to unlock classes playing roles they normally wouldn't, and using talents/spells from future versions seems like an easier way to test if it changes the meta than developing a whole new system. I want something like that for Classic+, but always saw it as more of an involved quest chain that lets you unlock portions of a skill tree from another class, or change your class into something your race can't normally play. I think that would allow devs to add in quests in areas that aren't explored as frequently, and also mix up useful stats on items.

I am really excited and come back to play wow. I do like the most ideas they have implemented in SoD. However I am also a bit sceptical when it comes to mage healing and warlock and rogue tanking. Anyways see you all on the 30. of Nov 😊

I think the whole point is they are making a lot of changes to see what works to pull into Classic+ real after SOD. Obviously the real world changes they do will still come They keep calling these “level up raids” I would imagine they give large XP so it’s worth to do it while normally leveling up. Not just grinding at 25 You’re asking for new leveling dungeons and zones that’s exactly what they are doing here with the leveling band approach…

One thing I’ve observed is if you have two groups one positive and one negative people will jump on the negative bandwagon even if those people have no negative feelings

from a pure marketing point of view the bigger the change the more influencers use it as content which is free ad space for blizzard. Also blizzard doesn't care about loyal customers only customers on the fence (those who may be triggered to stop playing or start playing). So they appeal to what will intrigue players to return.

You pretty much nailed my thoughts. I wont be playing SoD, I'll stick to Hardcore. Also, dont know if you caught this but they are gonna add a Self Found mode, but to existing hardcore servers. What's the point then??? I really think the Classic team has lost the pulse. I don't get it.

maybe im just being hopelessly optimistic, but I think Esfand is right about how classic+ is already greenlighted and SoD is the beta where they'll just throw everything at the wall to see what sticks.(also why at the presentation they said it was inspired by the OG vanilla beta)

Staysafe seems to forget that every dungeon (apart from the dire mauls, scholomancer and stathholm) can be ten man raided

Raids should have a version for every 10 levels. So a level 20 raid should also have a level 30 40 50 and 60 version of it. Same looking gear except expanded upon with scaling appropriate to the level. This would keep any raid content relevant at basically any level while expanding gear choice.