KPotato V sadly they have disbanded ima miss them

Taefiedlyrics yeah, I know. I’ve followed them since their debut with “Study”. It’s sad that they’re disbanded now

KPotato V Rocket Girl was their debut.. An iconic one at that

K-Puff erm...rocket girl isn’t really my thing HONESTLY. But i do think them debuting as a 4 member group with new members since “Study” was better lol

AMÉN. I love you forever, Stellar. :'(

Exactly, Stellar has always been very meta about how the public views/treats them and other female idols (it is certainly NOT just with Sting as implied in this video!). When Vibrato came out, they talked about how people were asking why it took them so long to have a comeback... they'd had TWO in between Marionette and Vibrato! But, they were quite literally invisible to people if they weren't being overly sexy - and, yes, it had to be super in your face sexy too because Mask (which came right after Marionette) was also quite sexy and was completely ignored. Then they did Fool, which was very much a commentary on how they had been treated/viewed and was a message to their fans that despite the hate they (and other female idols) were getting, they would keep going because they were "fools" for their fans. Vibrato and Sting just continued the trend. With Stellar, knowing what they have gone through, about the idol industry, and Korean culture in general is an important part of understanding the imagery they use in their MVs. And, to be clear, it's not just the sexy stuff either, it's about the hate idols get in general; like when Study came out (before Marionette) and they got hate because people thought they were telling them to study despite exams having ended the week before. It's ridiculous, and Stellar put all of that front and center.

This!!

lizbeth guevara ahh I was about to comment this! This needs to be upvoted!

yes I agree! I like the critique of entertainment industry and their own acting out of their own subjection to the male gaze and the commercialisation of their bodies regardless of their singing talent or not

Novadestin agree.

the MV are amazingly directed tho

I agree that they are. Sting's MV is one of my favourite one from Digipedi. Still not for everyone tho and understandably so.

the MV are amazingly directed but it's overly sexy that it's not that comfortable to view

Oh it’s from Digipedi? Didn’t they do MVs for LOONA too? I love the MVs holy cow

most of their songs are good, not just " some of them"

I want it to be played at my funerals tbh

My favorite kpop song ever

I feel so bad for liking it since Stellar didn't feel too comfortable with that concept...

I also like "Sting" because of the meaning behind it but alot of their songs have some good meanings behind then including "Vibrato" 👌

seriously...it has THE best bridge in kpop history i will fight on this

Manon Lcz It is sad, indeed. But cute concepts is selling sex as much as any sexy concept, just to another audience. Every other cute girl group wear very short shorts, miniskirts, etc. It isn't about sexiness, it's about objectifying women and men in entertainment industry.

Unfortunately the Korean market is so saturated that many groups are going to fail.

gumdeo you mean their company abused them..

Yash!

Nicholas Katsikas I know, right? I'm practically musically-illiterate but I can appreciate what they did with both songs. I love Vibrato so much bcz of the various interesting sounds and instruments they put in it, synth or real. I really think both songs and Stellar is (was?) underappreciated. I wish they (and the people behind their music) could've been more appreciated for their music and so wouldn't have had to get sexy to sell their music. I was really sad to hear Stellar disbanding.

it takes time for good music to get around, i just found this group and music is superb too bad they disbanded

YES YES YES everything you said here!!!! I have enjoyed their music quite a lot whenever I hear it, but can't watch their videos often the way I'd like, because it makes me sad to think that the choice to be sexual/sexy may not have actually been much of a choice for them at all :/ If they had chosen to do this because it made them happy or made them feel empowered in some way, I'd be way more comfortable with it. But because that may not be the case, I worry about them and focus on how far society has yet to progress for the better and the current extreme issue of objectification of women. Though I will never shame or blame anyone for doing what they must to make ends meet and what they need, I really hope most of the stress or pressure to be or act in certain ways that may not make them happy will end, and I wish for the members to be so successful and happy and comfortable in the future in whatever careers or activities they pursue from now on

The imagery Stellar used was purposeful, it's a commentary on how they (and other female idols) are viewed/treated by the public. Their visuals became very meta starting with Fool - it was the whole point of Fool actually.

t h e r e s a o check the description, they have like a cronogram

Nazareno Chaves i know i just like to be surprised and guess why she chose this group/song

TEA

THIS !

Facts only

PERIOD

They disbanded for the better.

But im so happy disband because this member dont happy in stellar,stellar entertainment is not good alwasy push member act like sexy shit but member dont want

Im glad. They not gonna sell their body anymore. Sell only the voices.

At the beginning Umu (the video director) already explain they just gonna react to the music... Not for whole MV...

Tbh i think it says more about the music industry. They were so confident that the music should have been enough for them to be a success- and i agree, stellar's songs are soooo good. But unfortunately they had to take their concepts pretty far out from what they originally expected

because its,,,,,,,,, entertainment business guys.... we must remember that again. and Stellar agency is the small agency, the must do whatever they can to attract public... No matter how good music is, no matter how good MV is, no matter how handsome/pretty the idol is. If they cant attract attention its useless in showbiz..... Its entertainment for us, but its business for them....

Kpop was pretty much oversaturated from 2012 onwards, and had a reputation of being more about visuals than music. The korean public wouldn’t bother looking at idols if they wanted to find good songs to listen. I think it’s possible that if Stellar didn’t present their music as “idol music”, they could’ve attracted an audience who wasn’t just interested in their bodies

You won't succeed in KPop unless you've got a company to back you up. The company makes the group for the majority of KPop. GFriend and BTS are anomalies. They succeeded by themselves and now no third gen girl group can touch GFriend's music show wins and no one can touch BTS' international success. But if no name company tried to debut a group nowadays, they should either have millions to burn or some very famous friends

SAME! Vibrato is probably in my top 5 favorite kpop songs of all time

same same same I so agree with the both of you!!

SAME DUDE SAME

Same

Ellie Moon me too

LOOΠΔTIC I saw an interview they did after vibrato saying that the label hadn't wanted to do another sexy concept after Marionette but the group had pushed it in the hope of encouraging their success. Obviously the girls were reluctant to go down this route, but it's what they felt the Korean public wanted from them

benrgrogan that’s not what I saw, I saw that the company ceo actually wanted them to wear gstrings for their Vibrato outfits but they refused and agreed to wear the slightly less revealing underwear

LOOΠΔTIC I haven't seen that article so can't comment on it, it may be true. The interview I saw It's clear they were against the idea and the label was reluctant but everyone felt that was the only way they stood a chance at success. They did also raise the point "that as a woman, we have a right to be sexy." [See interview below] Question: Is that why you decided to take on the shocking skin exposure? Minhee: We had to put everything on the line. We weren't in a position to think about what will come after. The success of 'Marionette' was going to determine the existence or disbandment of the team. Junyool: I prepared with the thought that this was going to be our retirement album. I watched other sunbae teams who took on the sexy concept and sharpened my knife. Gayoung: Honestly, we didn't think ourselves to be sexy. Even our agency wondered if this would suit us. But as we practiced, we realized we could be [sexy]. Question: Thanks to the success you were able to release another song. It seems like you toned down the amount of skin exposure. Minhee: Instead of sexiness, we wanted to pour our sincerity into the release ["Mask"]. Gayoung: We included in the lyrics why we had no choice but to do the sexy concept for 'Marionette'. We wanted to explain that we did it to receive love from the public. Hyoeun: But, nobody seemed interested in our sincerity. It was to the point they didn't even know we made a comeback. Those who listened to the track said it was good, but people wouldn't even give it a listen. Minhee: Because the results weren't good, our promotion cycle was short Question: I was shocked after seeing your teaser image [photo above]. Not just me, but everyone was shocked. Hyoeun: Honestly, we were shocked too. We didn't do it because we wanted to. Having experienced two failures after "Marionette", we accepted the reality and decided that we needed something that would become an issue. Junyool: We wanted to get Stellar's music out there. When we didn't have skin exposure, nobody even knew we released a new song. If it's not provocative, there is no response. Minhee: We were even asked "Why didn't you guys come out again after 'Marionette'?" when we had already made two comebacks after that song... Question: You're receiving backlash to the level of your "Marionette" promotions. Minhee: It wasn't a thong like many people were imagining. It was actually a swimsuit bottom, but because a portion of it was covered by the dress, the picture came out looking more erotic than it really was. Junyool: There's a chance that even those who insult us will listen to our song. And if our song is good, then they could become our fans. And I think that as a woman, we have a right to be sexy.

benrgrogan Pretty sure it was a bit of a mix of both, actually. I've seen both the articles you guys are talking about, as well as some from later that talk about how Stellar basically tried to regain a more "classy" image and get a more positive reputation little by little after Marrionette. I think more or less the sexy concept was something that was suggested by TEP and the girls agreed to it, so kinda joint culpability. (I have a suspicion Minhee pushed for it, based on some interviews I've seen about her feeling responsible, it my Korean isn't good enough to really know.) TEP suggested some things, the girls suggested some things, and it went from there. As some of the comments mention, Stellar is pretty meta in the use of their songs. The very fact that Sting references the backlash from Marrionette and Vibrato goes to show the company gave them some artistic leniency... Don't get me wrong. I realty hate TEP. Just saying I think the sexy concept was a bit of a joint effort...

As a Twinkle, I can tell you the whole "omg they were just innocent souls forced into horrible things" narrative is really old. Let me set a few things straight... 1. The girls agreed to go sexy with Marionette because they knew it was do something big to gain attention or disband, there was no middle ground. They weren't "forced into it", they agreed to it. Yes, Pascal edited the MV to be more sexy than they would have liked, but they weren't naive about what was happening. And, to be clear, no one is saying Pascal was a good company, far from it, but they weren't like some vicious overlord or something either. 2. The g-string story was bullshit, it was blown so out of proportion and twisted around. They wore swimsuit bottoms in their Vibrato photo shoot; the company asked them if they would dance in them for the MV but the girls said no because it would move around too much while dancing. The company inquired a bit more, but Stellar stood their ground and demonstrated a few moves to prove their point. The company staff got embarrassed when they could actually see what they meant and agreed to changed things up. Them talking about how they told each other "well if they don't listen to us, we'll just leave" was simply them being the big worry warts that they are over something they felt strongly about. Now, this sort of back and forth is in no way unusual between artists and their companies when working on the details of a comeback, what's important to note is that Stellar objected and the company listened to them. Again, Stellar wasn't forced into anything, they were active participants that had a say in what happened. 3. The interview that benrgrogan mentioned is FAKE!!!!! I was literally a part of the group that proved allkpop had made it up. Their "source" was a small time christian newspaper that only wrote a couple sentences about Stellar... which allkpop then translated that into a full fucking article. What they did was cobble together a couple of things Stellar had said in the past (while also sensationalizing those things as well) and then threw in a whole bunch of other bullshit to make it seem real - for those that don't know: allkpop is well known for faking stories. 4. Stellar learned how to play the game after Marionette. They told their company that Fool would fail because it was "too cute", and after it did, the company came back and basically said "OK, we'll listen to you next time..." Stellar then continued with their meta commentary that they'd started in Fool about how they and other female idols were treated/viewed by the public. They literally put themselves on display in Vibrato to say "we know this is what women have to do to get your attention". Doesn't mean they were all gung-ho about it, in fact they were very vocal about how they weren't "like that" in real life, but they knew that's what needed to be done. Sting was them saying "I'm over it, you're just a pest now" to the whole mess. (Obviously, their commentary was much more in-depth than just these general statements, but I'm trying to keep it short.) 5. Stellar started moving away from the nonsense after Vibrato because they didn't necessarily have to rely so much on the public for their success as fans pushed their makestar campaigns to be among the most successful in their history. Their last one, which I believe is still #1 on makestar, they raised almost $100k while Stellar was only asking for $8k. The girls very well could have continued as idols with the help of their fans if they'd wanted too, but right now, I think they're just tired of how the entertainment industry works and are taking a bit of a break. Gayoung is the only one that has remained relatively active in that world (as an actress). TL;DR: Stellar absolutely had a say in what was happening and the company did listen to them. Sure, the company wasn't great in any sense of the word, but the girls definitely weren't "poor innocent victims" either. It was simply a bittersweet situation and one that's not about to change without some massive societal shift/wake up call.

goran's mom marionette is good for song But the video....Some scene are a little bit .... Like the things you see in adult sexual video

"Just gotta scratch my butt"

@@ScuffedSoju LMAO... NOOOOOO 😭😭 im glad they changed the choreography of that pre-chorus.

Taylor Hinkes I believe the members have said publicly that they were uncomfortable with the sexuality of their MVs and image, but did it because their company insisted. Unapologetic or not, symbolic or not, it's important to acknowledge that they didn't really have a choice and didn't really like being sexy.

kanayaker oh I didn’t know that!! That’s a shame :( it’s not fair to be given that ultimatum in the slightest. It sucks what women have to be forced to be provocative in order to gain any attention (good or bad).However I hope they’ve been able to be proud of what they’ve created! Because it really is awesome music and production.

kanayaker Yes, I believe they said that during Marionette but around the time Vibrato and especially Sting came around they said that they were becoming more confident with the sexy concept and wanted to use it to send a message, or something like that. Even Hyuna wasn't comfortable with her concept at first, more so how the public would react (and she was very young when she started), but she said that she grew to appreciate it and now wanted to use it to give confidence to other woman and bring to attention the fact that woman can be sexy without sacrificing their dignity. Not sure if they relate enough, as Stellar's company was really horrible to them... Although I do know that the company didn't think they could ever be sexy in the first place, and after the girls proved they could they really pushed it (such as giving the girls thin thong strings for the iconic Vibrato outfit, where the girls had to threaten to leave the company if they don't make the bands thicker)

if they're 'becoming confident' with sexy concepts after being forced to do it multiple times and not liking it, i wouldn't call it becoming more confident or owning their sexuality...more like...getting used to n becoming desensitized...and that's not necessarily a great thing but seemed to be overlooked by many because that's how we are too. i've seen many who said they hated a song but grew to love it after listening to it a couple times or even a hundred times and encourage others who hate the song to do the same as them...like....why should we keep doing something we hate in order to 'grow love'? i feel like people are confusing themselves a lot between growing to like and tolerating/brainwash/just being desensitized. that's not healthy.

they're so talented and deserve so much better. I wish the best for them all and hope they find so much happiness and success from now on!

Shelby Jude Personally i loved last years comeback. It was sexy but not overly done.

Was the rumor true that their agency tried to get them to do soft porn in japan? I think i saw a post somewhere from fans that the girls were crying in the airport telling fans about it.

stellar was the only group i wanted to disband....

​@@gdonalyn It was I also read about it after a fan said about it

I know! I wish one of the reactors would have commented on that bridge!! I love it too. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

dolls REMAINS superior

LOOΠΔTIC ikrrr Purfles are so good but they're underrated

Well she did explain in a pass video she does a triage of MVs and musics. She will choose songs that are more musically interesting for Classical Musicians

Yesss! Freaking underrated good songs

i miss purfles ;;n;;

Why not marionette tho?

Dav Dav Deepened is my fav from them!

Francesco Lo Coco 7/9 9MUSES Drama and Love City if you look at the reaction schedule

Omg yes ZE:A! Breathe is my fave song from them

Remember!!!

9muse - Wild/hurt locker is good also

I wished they did a video of Namyu9 too. And it's hard to compare a Namyu8 song to NamyuA one...

And is sad that they do the concept they were uncomfortable 😢😢