My favorite content is in dungeon content. That is when you are put in the position where you really have to dig down and perform, because your group relays on you.

"they come for the game and stay for the social" - SO TRUE!

I absolutely loved Kevin Jordan on Countdown to Classic Podcast. It was amazing.

For BC, make an new server where it copies your level 60 character once to progress on the BC while also keeping your 60 on the classic server

I always thought that blizzard should add bounty posters to pvp servers. Then players could post bounties on opposing factions by paying a bounty. Same faction bounties could be done at neutral faction areas for people causing problems.

Hell yes, Kevin Jordan is back on the podcast! I've been watching a lot of his streams lately, very interesting to listen to and he responds to most questions, which is really nice. (Also, he played Ret in vanilla-live!)

A BIG thanks for making ”ClassiCast”. It is an absolute joy to se and listen to your show❤️. Extra ❤️ for inv Kevin again

I'm not gonna lie I got a little teary eyed when Kevin said he was watching people play and noticed how people need to group up for content and reaffirming that was the intent of the game all along to form bonds with other people. ;n; I want to reconnect with that aspect of WoW so badly. I Can't wait until Classic.

Awesome seeing Kevin again! Was looking forward to the vod. Missed it on stream because of work lol

LOVE this show and everything you've done for the community. Thank you Esfand!

Kevin said it best when talking about what should happen after classic. An entire new MMO complete with all new adventures for people to ravage through.

Ahh, Esfand your explanation of how the looping is working was great! Not completely wrong but absolutely hilarious!

the streamer convo about half way through is the reason I wont be rolling on the same server as a big streamer, thankfully most are US.

That's actually brilliant, making the machines who have no soul or cognitive brain, not able to be feared, drained or taunted! RP in its finest!

1:05:10 Original WoW dev Kevin talks about how the game was always designed to be a social experience with social solutions to problems, NOT GM or POLICY solutions. He talks about how being camped or greifed is NOT against the TOS (originally) and how there are social solutions to those problems (like asking friends to help kill a camper).

I cannot wait for guild rivalries to be a thing again. One of my favorite moments in WoW was racing a rival guild in Hyjal for server firsts and talking smack in general chat while pulling trash. That kind of playful competitiveness thrives in smaller, more social communities. Needless to say I’m excited.

20 minutes in and I'm sucked in. This is the kind of stuff I've been thinking about for months. It's awesome to hear Kevin's perspective on the original game philosophy. Great job guys.

If tipsout wasn't in this podcast I'd listen to it.

hyped for another kevin jordan cast

The ooga gang has been the best addition to the community.

Absolutely LOVE classic, cannot wait for it to come out... however, I am hoping (eventually) they incorporate a Karazhan 10 man raid for level 60s. Best instance ever created, needed one of every class pretty much. Love it, love classic!!!

What were the wax candles kevin was talking about fir fighting rogues ?

The funniest moment in WoW for me was this. We were raiding Ulduar, we cleared up to Fraya. We were about halfway through the first wave when the mini adds spawn. Now as you guys know, you AOE them to half life and then pick them off one at a time to avoid the mass damage. Well or of the boomkins kept AOEing. We called over vent to stop. His response, “I have to AOE! I have no choice!” Vent exploded in laughter and we wiped. That’s just one of the fond memories that WoW has given me.

Just looking at things like the massive WPvP battles, the funny deaths, the team work, the duels, even the ooga gang is what makes Vanilla WoW so special. It's where the whole "I WAS THERE" Meme really has meaning. You were there you experienced an adventure that was unique to you.

Hey! I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not dual spec will be a thing in classic wow? Was it tested in the demo? (Not meant to trigger people as I know it was used in vanilla as a gold sink) Thanks! :)

Great inside from Kevin!

Such a good podcast. I always love hearing what Kevin Jordan was thinking when he made the original classes =)

360p gang's here? Thx for inviting Kevin again

Prediction before starting the video...Esfand is going to talk about Ret Paladins...

The longest cd in Everquest was 72 minutes. They had a time cycle of 3 minutes real time = 1 hour in game, so the use of Paladin's Lay on Hands was like the traditional once per day game time.

Tbc in patch 2.4.3 that's when I feel like they got the a perfect balance of the talents for all the classes every class had there own roll to do dps or buff the raid dps

Respect. Left @ Cataclysm *I WONDER WHY* LMAO

bro this is gold, thx

It's so funny that Esfand introduces kevin 57:47 into the video 😂😂😂 Not hating though this is gold

4:52 Imagine giving Taurens plainswalking ability, already have memes for that, a wild Tauren appears infront of you.

What your talking about at the start, that made classic so good is what made darksouls ( especially the first one ) so great. Its facing adversity together, the game is a pain in the balls but if you group up or simple talk and help eachother ( or even leave a message on the floor , darksouls) lets you work against it together.

Enjoyed the discussion, still hope the game comes out and is not just a bunch of expert elite players

I remember raiding, but I also remember being a lv. 10 priest and teaming up with a rogue for 3 hours as a new player in 2005 to complete quests. I remember whispering players to try and trade gear while in undercity and not knowing how to get to orgrimar and needing this guy to give me directions on how to get there. I remember farming scarlet monastery to complete the scarlet set for my warrior.

Could it be worked into the lore that classic becomes an alternate timeline with different content and storylines? I can see some sort of event with Nozdormu or something happening to the dark portal where instead of going to the outlands we are sent to alternate Azeroth or "elsewhere"..

Hopefully the OSRS community will get a shout out in the next decade or so for seeing the change and the path forward well in advance of the rest of the industry.

Feeling that pally love bros

Completely agree with the point at 2:09:52 New content with the spirit of vanilla. Stuff that doesn't make past content irrelevant. Even giving hunters consistently visible quivers is a change I agree with.

This is very interesting to me. How on earth did I listen to this whole thing? The hype is real.

Finally, I was so hype for this. Hope you’re killing it in Sweden!

During the whole "big guy standing on top of a flight master" conversation, how did no one bring up that you can just zoom into first person, walk inside that person, and click the flight master?

Gladiator even from a slimey epeen perspective is wayyy more valuable in TBC & Wrath than modern XPACs because the server community is still prevalent enough for you to show it off. Also the class design was better and skillcap higher, better reward structure etc but the community element of walking out into durotar and knowing all of the people there is much better.

is 'batch window' just another way of describing a sort of tick system?

"[PVP] is ultimately replayable" Before I quit 3 years ago, I would take my character into Halaa and the Hellfire Fortifications all the time, looking for *some* kind of spontaneous interaction with players that might escalate into a fun-back-and-forth. BGs were prescriptive; Ashran was prescriptive; everything else in the game consisted of players nearby but separated, min-maxing to meet some meta goal.

the batching window is fine some things should just be excluded from batching like mentioned, interrupts. ive seen this on pserver githubs years ago before everyone and their dog was talking about spell batching, iirc there was a bluepost stating explicity that interrupts were not a part of it. search for 'spell delay' - it was commonly referred to as this before 'spell batching' the hackfix many servers used for this was just to add a static delay for example 100ms to all abilities (this is what warmane used im pretty sure) rather than 1-400ms window that would be authentic, however interrupts would not have the added 100ms delay

Would be nice to have a table of content in the description.

Kevin: We wanted a class nobody had done before so we made the Warlock. Dungeons & Dragons: Am I a joke to you?

A few terms were defined back in the day. Their meaning seems to have been lost over the years. Griefing - Hindering the interaction(s) of a player in any way. Ganking - Killing a member of the opposing faction by use of an unfair advantage. (Examples: Unreasonable level superiority; while the target is engaged with and/or at low health from a mob or mobs; target is AFK; etc). Camping - Purposefully waiting in a specific area to repeat an action. (Corpse-camping is the most common of this occurrence). PvP - All other confrontations not defined above. All of which are non-bannable offenses that have solutions available within the gameplay mechanics.

I can't wait to join the blacklist guild

I haven't played the beta, but I played alot of Vanilla as a mage, and counterspell and cone of cold especially seemed to not go off/miss an awful lot back in the day. I know, because I have killed many a keyboard in a blind rage after counterspell not working on time or a missed CoC that makes you run back while farming mobs. xD

24:00 santorini is in greece not italy ;)

"No special privileges" except for Asmon and Sodapoppin. Thanks Omar.

I wanna freeze myself, eric cartman style, til Aug 27th. This wait is too long 😢

will friends from the other faction be able to see my char name and where I am on the battlenet friendlist?

Love the show .. to.me retail is like a great vacation... but Vanilla just feels like home after being gone too long

Wallets out baby!

Even only on the most recent stress test i was playing my warrior and people would always share buffs and party up all the time. Was such a cool experience being able to connect with other players and having a blast with people who end up being friends. But griefing doesnt always have a solution, how do you deal with capped rogues who camp your spawn for hours, litterally to the point of being unplayable.

I think you're on to something when it comes to batching Esfand. However, I think the big character hitboxes are a bigger culprit to the game feeling off than people think.

For dueling tournaments it should be easy. Blizzard could add a roving tournament event like they do for darkroom fair and holiday events. There would be a crew outside 1 major city setting up stands and vendors etc and then a sign-up period and then people can have a clear arena to fight in and stands for people to sit in and watch. They could have npc's roaming up and down the stands selling drinks and food and rockets or balls or other items. It would just be a fun community event.

is anyone else thinking about the classic wow [ bnet - friends list ] on the stress test. there are no filter options, show/hide, separation from in-game to launcher friends. anyone with more then 20 friends who don't play wow will be currently required to scroll through those people not playing the game you are interested in using the list for at that moment. this is time consuming and adds up since it requires you to scroll, which interrupts key binds during game play if you use a multi-button mouse and scroll to cast which allows typing normally while killing mobs. opinion is make it a separate tab with streamer show/hide support for realID.

stream sniping is the con to streaming... if you want the perks you have to accept the cons... using external resources has always been a thing in wow tbh. I dont feel sorry for the streamers... just gotta choose when to stream and go incognito. thats life....

classic is great, tho i hope kevin will discuss actual differences between 2004 2005 creature hp, damage and abilities compared to creature values 21 months after launch we shouldn't get aug 2006 bosses and raids at launch we shouldn't get aug 2006 scuffed mobs at launch either!

Have 3 Displates pieces they are pretty cool

i feel like Esfand is like Ion Hazzikostas sometimes when he answers a question. instead of a sentence answer if gives you a book

Tips taking this pretty serious

I can play this now. Is beta more open or what?

Santorini is in Greece.

@53:00 siiiiiiigh. Centurylink has a monopoly in my area and hasnt found it fiscally viable to upgrade my area and Im stuck with the same shitty 5 down DSL since 2006.

would it even be possible for Blizz to remove sharding from the game again? at the same time, they could send players, that play on servers with a small population, to what servers they'd like to be moved to. That way, some of the tiny servers could just shut down and the rest of the servers would get filled a bit.

Thank you Essy poopoo

To Kevin Jordan's question about the best content. I know he said it was a trick question, but I have my period. For me the answer is easy, it was ICC10 normal. I was in a 25man heroic guild on my main. But on Sunday nights I would form a 10 man raid with 4 or 5 other friends and then PuG the rest. I would buy a six pack. And we would just have fun. We never killed more than 7 bosses, because my friends weren't that good, and it didn't matter. We just had fun. ICC 10 man normal was a perfect mix of decent raid, combined with just the right difficulty for that super casual fun run. Sadly Blizzard was never able to recreate it, and because of that we were given the abomination that is LFR. And I myself was never able to recreate it trying with different guilds and what not. Sadly even on private servers it is unrecreateable because PS's are just filled with turbonerds that don't understand fun. Probably a blasphemous answer on a Classic related podcast, but I don't care...lol

I have waited over 10 years for classic. Ever since tbc launched, although it was a good expansion, I wanted to go back to vanilla. I quit in the middle of wotlk and hopped on private servers after that.

Woooot???? Just heard Esfand coming to Sweden. When and where? Love to just say ”hi” and maybe get an autograf 😉. Anyway, most welcome to Sweden 🙌🏼🇸🇪

Have you tested whether SoR damage can proc weapon "chance on hit" effects?

Always great when Kevin Jordan is on Classic cast.

I played on Illidan in vanilla. What was your name back then? I was a Paladin name GaiusMarius and a Warlock named ArtoriusRex

Leeroy was staged, but still my fav video of all time

Any one know how hard it is to get into beta only reason I would sub is for classic

The speed run servers 100% defeats the entire reason for me to play Classic, and i really cant see a whole lot of people being interested in it.

so i guess im subscribing

2:27 ok look it's simple. You have E sports set to separate world with it's own rules based around said tournaments. Then you simply portal from your server into the tournament server. Look at HWS server for Empyrion galaxtic survival where you can in game portal from the NA server to the EU server and back.

Warhammer online needs to be remade!

THis Kevin Jordan guy seems to think of WoW the same way that original D&D players used to think. Being in the age group he is, he probably was one of those kids back then. There weren't really many video games, so the social aspect of D&D was great for "nerdy" kids. I think that's what's great about the game designers who were making games for the first 20-30 years of game design. They were trying to KEEP the social aspect of life contained within the games. They wanted to give like-minded people a platform to connect through since they were, originally, kind of rare. Now, with technology making everything less personal and separating us in so many way, i think people like Kevin could actually do the world a HUGE service through their philosophy of game design. I feel like if we could get more Kevin Jordan's back into game design, we would see things like suicide rates among young people drop quite a bit because they'll have a support system of sorts. This may all seem a bit too deep for a video game channel, and I'm sorry if this all seems a bit far-fetched or lofty. I do speak from a certain amount of personal experience on this topic though. I was 20 when WoW came out. So still pretty young. Being 35 (will be 36 at launch) now, I look back at a LOT of the things in my young life that I didn't appreciate enough while they were happening. It's just a thing we do as we get older I think. I missed out on some things I shouldn't have, and I was also too quick to wish for "better game design" when something didn't work the way i thought it should. Or when I thought something was too difficult and took too much time. Classic gives me a chance to be more appreciative this time around. I can't tell you how exciting that concept is.

i played from the start and i dit not receive a invite, bud i really don't want i thing. i just wait for release i think

Gj dadash

I was excited for wow until I got into raid shadow legends on the phone, all I play now haven’t been this addicted since vanilla wow the first time.

Soooooo true, I am counting down the days till classic. I never realized how much The social and rpg elements have been bled away by xpac after xpac. I am so over joyed classic is coming home and I can relive my fond members of the actual WORLD of Warcraft.

"Hey this is a sheep don't hit it." LuL people to this day still hit it.

Instead of adding Raids to classic they should add in the events like Christmas, Halloween, and other holidays. I still remember the Headless Horseman terrorizing the low level city in Dun Morogh

frauds out baby

I think I know what you're trying to say Esfand, but as someone that's been basically completely PvP oriented since late TBC/WOTLK I'm not sure how can you say pushing gladiator or R1 isn't as socially valuable or has its own community, to which you then compared to doing a quest or single dungeon (Uldaman) in vanilla... I love vanilla, I do not like BFA, but that's a pretty nonsensical comparison to me as the majority of my "WoW friends" at this point are the guys I pushed 3s/5s/RBGs (and yes some from premades in vanilla to be fair!) with for years. Just because it doesn't fit your playstyle doesn't mean there aren't huge social communities there and I'd argue the "hardcore" PvP community is probably one of the biggest remaining bastions of such in the modern game that has any of vanilla's social aspects left. Either way, loved the podcast overall, just my little criticism. Thanks for doing this guys.

So what were you thinking when you designed the warlock 31 talents?

It's a little vindicating to hear that Kevin is on board with the idea of Classic+/patch 1.13. Either way though I'd be down with classic+ or TBC. Would be nice to play a paladin again and raid unapologetically ret.

23:30 maybe it is only my perspective but TIPS have tears in eyes imo

Althought i agree community is really important, it's only half of the formula : meaningfull work/reward is the other half. On another note, the warsong flag batching i am pretty sure isnt vanilla. I played A LOT of warsong back in the day ( i grinded two rank 14 back then) and i have zero memory of this thing happening.

Timestamps pls