My stance has been that "there are no good members of the Enclave, only good former members of the Enclave". Being good means rejecting the Enclave.

I find it funny how you are still conviced the Enclave was truly the Villian of Fallout 3, despite the Fact that there is a lot of Evidence pointing them into merely being Antagonists. Must I remind you for why the Enclave is so violent after FO2? Because in their Eyes, a Wastelander used their Trust to steal Vertibird Plans alongside destroying their HQ for seemingly no good Reason! Dozen of Enclave Personal didn't even know of the FEV Plan and some, like Colonel Autumn, were so disgusted by it they outright refused to repeat it a second TIme. Not only that, but their Travels across the USA to the East Coast had to have shown them some of the horrible Acts these Wastelanders commit allmost daily, like refusing to help or accept help by pointing Weapons at People's Faces or hanging Corpses around like Decorations or turning People into Slaves... or other kinds of Acts I couldn't even describe. That is probably why most of the Enclave's Soldiers out there (especially in the Capital Wasteland due to the Raiders) shoot People before they even talk to them or warn them, because they do not want to repeat the same Situation with letting the Chosen One in or want Degenerates getting close enough to shoot them first... which would cause unrepairable Damage. Of course, this does hurt Colonel Autumn's Idea of uniting the Wasteland under the Banner of the Enclave, but... the Problem is: does he even know that they're doing all of that? Because the CO's of those Soldiers might just share the same Ideology of their Men, distrusting the Wastelanders, to the Point they falsify Reports just so they can continue it. And how can you say that he merely wants a Goverment soley run by the Enclave? You can't exactly ask him about that since... well-- the Game doesn't exactly have that Option! For all we know, he might've wanted two Goverments. A Goverment which is basically just the Enclave and an NCR-like Goverment that rules over the Capital Wasteland indepently of the Enclave, a Goverment which may elect their own Presidents (or Senators in this case). Certaintly that Case would've been a dozen Times better than whatever Plan the Brotherhood had. Why do I say that? Because in the CC Content of FO4 that takes you back to the Capital Wasteland, we stil see the Talon Company existing despite the Fact it should've been wiped out! Not only that, but since the Prydwen went to the Commonwealth, there has seemingly been a new Rise of Chaos to the Point where the People themselves have to fend for eachother. That means that, even after defeating the Enclave and before assimilating with the Outcast, Lyons didn't even bother to construct a Goverment made/run by the People to control the Wasteland incase the Brotherhood ever had to... suddenly leave because of a possible Threat that attacks them from somewhere far away from the Capital Wasteland (like Boston!). The only damm Group that seemingly may help the People of the Capital Wasteland are the Good Fighters, which... weren't even supported by anyone leading them to be killed off. And can you really say that Autumn isn't reasonable? He gave Liam (lead Scientist of the Purifer) a Chance to peacefully surrender the Project without any furthur Damage caused to either his Family or his Team, instead he refused to peacefully surrender which caused the Colonel to (to point out who's exactly in Power in this Situation) kill one of his Co-Workers. If it wasn't for Liam's idiotic Refusal to peacefully surrender or his Choice to flood the Chamber with Radiation, then the Lone Wanderer would still have a Father and wouldn't have to be hunted down by the Enclave due to Liam's Password. And all you really need to convice Autumn to peacefully leave the Purifer is a high(ish) Skill of Speech instead of Intelligence, which I'm just pointing out as that is easier to do since it's the last Mission of Act 1 (before Broken Steel, which is Act 2) than to put a bunch of Points into Intelligence which might put you into a Disadvantage for the entire Start ofthe Game. Oh... and your Comment about not being able to convice him? Yeah, you probably either never opted to use that Option or because of the Fact it takes a lot more than a single Line to convice him since... he's lived his whole Live with the Enclave. So can you really blame him having it hard to swallow the Fact he's been betrayed by both Eden and the Enclave itself?

Wasn't it Goggins or Hank Maclean who said that?

@@GTAVictor9128Maximus said that when talking with Lucy. I believe it’s when they were near the debris of Shady Sands, the big crater.

@@chriszhang1660 Yep, that was the scene. TBH, never saw the show at all, but I did see many videos reviewing and deep-diving into it.

@@Chris-ok4zo ...what? why? lmao

@@BroskiBigDuck Never got into streaming services much, 'cause I never found a good reason to. I do know some sites where I can watch stuff for free, so maybe I'll binge some shows in the future.

The machine gun turret was so bad

@@chriszhang1660that thing came out for no reason. Not to mention there is no damn way you’re dodging a minigun😭

I have to have the headcannon that he's a scientist. A clever one, so he hacked the outer defenses to be poorly reactive and act in a hostile way toward to enclave pursuing forces. Giving him enough time to get away

@@tetchedink7980 as a scientist he probably had a high enough science skill so imma go with that too

@@ebfromtha410 I thought it was a joke about how bad turrets are in game, minigun turrets usually just sit there while I shoot it lol

Yup, I think he'd like to have a hold of the water-facility to have control over places like Megaton and Rivet City.

He wanted to horde the water supply to force submission or death upon all other factions in the area. The end result would look something like Immortan Joe's style of government from Mad Max

Yea, he wanted to controll the wastland. I swear there was a line that some of the enclave tried to join the brotherhood after raven rock was destroyed

Why didn't Senior Autumn or other Navarro survivors flee to White Spring?

They have a massive group still living in Chicago as well. Most likely reserved for future Fallout games.

yep & after the new update to Fallout 76 we learn that they may be at the biggest navel base in the USA thanks to the presidents retreat in West Vergina there is a bunker their & on the big computer they list the names of the Pisdon oil rig, Raven Rock & the Navel base

The enclave definitely are located in alaska it's cold and almost nobody lives there damn I think they even made it into an actual country with everything they have from the last petroleum reserves to even larger facilities of research.

BoS is exactly the same minus experiments.

@@spark556Maybe you want to go onto the Prydwen and visit the labs there

Authority and Order, what you need during crisis and extreme situations

I’d argue most of the factions had an authoritarian vibe, even the NCR.

@@RoanShip the wasteland needs the leadership of President John Henry Eden, President of the Enclave, President of America, President of your hearts.

Alpharius?! Is that you?

@@marvinellis7221 🐍🐍

​@@marvinellis7221 yes, it's me alpharius and my buddy alpharius

@@marvinellis7221 No I am Alpharius.

"One Enclave, One America", patriot

Tbh, it kinda seems like Oxhorn really doesn't entirely understand the Enclave in FO3. Chirst, you litterally see Eden turn the automated Defenses against the Enclave Soldiers of Autumn! You can even talk about why he tasks the Lone Wanderer with the FEV Virus and he outright states he refuses to commit to Eden's insane Plan! Here the entire Dialoge about that: "Ah, yes. Colonel Autumn. My trusted subordinate. I'm sure you've noticed that Colonel Autumn and I do not see eye-to-eye these days, figuratively speaking of course. The good Colonel and I disagree on how best to approach the problem of the Wasteland. He feels my methods are too extreme. He has allowed his humanity to cloud his objectivity. And now that he is publicly countermanding my orders, I can no longer rely on him. And so I turn to you. I hope that you are able to see the larger picture, to understand what's at stake. And of course, if you are successful, there is a place for you in the Enclave. Perhaps you could succeed the Colonel as my confidant." So by all accounts, Colonel Autumn truly had the best good Intentions to rebuilt the Capital with the Aid of the People, though general Distrust and Propaganda of Three Dog/Brotehrhood certainly changed People's Opinion... alongside the Fact that Enclave Personal were seemingly acting on their own and Higher Rank Personal (most likley out of Distrust of Autumn/Wastelanders since the last One that used their Trust blew up the Oil RIg) most likley ordered others to kill em' on sight.

@@MrHolodoc to be fair they don’t exactly make that obvious, but I agree generally. My comment was made to correct and explain certain things that oxhorn may have missed or gotten wrong, but once you read through the lines you start to realize that they’re not this one sided super evil bad guy group that they’ve been portrayed as. (Except in fallout 2, outside of the average soldier in that game I can’t really defend the group that was written with the sole purpose of being comical bad guys)

​@@youraveragegamer1964 Eh... I guess what I'm trying to say here is: Oxhorn's Idea that the Enclave only seeks Purity is ridiculous when you truly analyse the Enclave in FO3. To add to that, you can litterally meet two People from the irradiated Wasteland that were recruited by them, aka: Dr. Anna Holt (Scientist from the Purifier) and an Engineer in the Mobile Crawler Base that used to live in the Wastland. Which kinda means that... well-- the Enclave truly doesn't 100% care about Purity, but about Restoring America through any Way possible. Oh! I almost forgot... that also includes Ellen Santiago, someone from the US Army that used to be stationed during the Great War in DC, which means the Enclave didn't care 100% about Purity as early as before Fallout 76.

Did you play 76? There is a mission there where you have to capture am old Enclave facility tosend a long range communication to Elder Maxson in the West. So yes they both had long range communication.

While the Brotherhood of Steel might procure the memory loungers, they wouldn’t have to destroy Goodneighber (I doubt Goodneighber is as dumb as the people of Filly) to do it. There is also no lore proof that they actively search out and kill non hostile ghouls.

@@mattt233 Fallout 76 is set in the year 2102, 25 years after the bombs dropped. BoS Elder Maxson from Fallout 4 wasn't even born yet during Fallout 76.

Simple answer: The Brotherhood of Steel airship shown in the Fallout show, while outwardly identical to the Prydwen from Fallout 4, is _not_ the Prydwen but a sister ship. The showrunners have confirmed in interviews that it's not the Prydwen. The TV show is officially set _after_ the events of Fallout 4 in the timeline. Fallout 4 was set on the New England East Coast in the Commonwealth (with the Prydwen having come from the Capitol Wasteland further south), while the Fallout show is set on the West Coast in California, specifically in/around Los Angeles (as you can see the remains of the Santa Monica pier when Lucy emerges from Vault 31), and Hank goes to New Vegas at the end of Season 1.

@@TF2CrunchyFrog Roger Maxson founded the BOS right after the Great War, and communicated with the BOS chapter in West Virginia. Then there is his descendant Arthur Maxson who took over the DC BOS chapter, and was prominently shown in Fallout 4. In short there are two Elder Maxsons in Fallout lore, understand. Also the airship in the show has the name Pryden on it, and since it was made specific materials and parts, it is unlikely to have sister ships.

The doctor, yes. I have no idea where you get the idea the Ghoul was buried elsewhere. I didn't see anything that implied that for him, considering every other depiction of him is in LA.

@@RenSako In the first Ghoul scene at the end of episode 1: "California, that's where you're from, ain't it?" Also the reference to Don Pedro who has kept the Ghoul buried. That is a Spanish/Mexican honorific. From the scene, it is apparently Tijuana or some other place just south of the pre-war CA border.

Lucy's vault definitely is in L.A., you can see the remains of famous Santa Monica pier at the beach when she emerges.

Whaddya mean it's "non cannon"?? A minigun with rotating barrels is undoubtedly "cannon" hehehe!!

@@manofwarb lol basically the non cannon part is the enclave didn’t show up to 13 and start shooting up the place, they sent the all clear signal and the dewellers all came out peacefully and went to the oil rig willingly

Canon is like bible-canon, stuff that is the approved writing, differing from the double-N one, which refers to the things that go boom. This is the stuff that gets to me, like when people say "Your Welcome" and they never start to correct themselves. /

@@ToniJ-ol8bg what cracks me up often is when people say, "head cannon"!! As though they have guns in their skulls hehehe!!

One guy in the very first Deus Ex wanted one, he was named Gunther, I believe.

Enclave is a hidden from the public high tier of US government and corporate leaders, that was looking into the possibility of colonizing outer space. The US government launched Project Safehouse to publicly protect a handful of US citizens, but Enclave actually wanted to experiment how people would handle being in a small contained space for like 10, 50, or even 100 years, so you got control vaults, that just do normal living in that kind of space, then you got the ones, that had ways to control people's mood thru spraying stuff into the air and low frequency audio, the ones where they had unusual societal systems enforced, 34, where there was lots of boomie booms, but not much living space and then just freezing people and making a handful of staff look after them in 111. WW3 happening then sorta cut their ties and it was sorta left open, if any colony-ships were made an left the planet after 'the whole shabang' began.

I mean yeah the data from The Vault experiments goes to The Enclave. But I think by the time of the games Vault-Tec and The Enclave are not buddies because both want to be the ones to repopulate the Wasteland and I doubt either faction wants to share repopulating America with the other.

Before the show it felt like Vault-tec as a unified entity and concept was just simply gone and vaults were just these independent underground cities, that were distrustful of even outside people wearing the blue jumpsuit and pip-boy, like when you reach 88 in Fallout 4. I think that is still the intent, it's still not going to be: "Yo, Vault 60, open up, I'm from 50! We're family!" It's all up to the individual vault, if they wanna hook up with the Enclave, as long the Enclave does not automatically do the minigun-salute, like back in Fallout 2.

I believe they had vault tec guys on the oil rig also they have lists of vaults Eden and Richardson says it and if not on the maps

I'd chalk it up to lack of research on the show producers part

@@robevans8629 which is weird considering how spot on accurate everything else looked. They probably just didn’t want to spend money making lots of Enclave staples for such a short scene. If they get more screentime next season they should have much more recognizable aspects.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 probably, I doubt the Enclave will make much of an appearance next season though since the focus is heavily implied to be on Mr House. I think they included the Enclave in the show because they wanted to name drop a well known faction that would get people's attention.

It could be after so many defeats they are struggling to maintain there gear which is why they appear different.

Makes it look more ominous imo

I think their leader should be autumn from fallout 3 now calling himself president autumn.

@@noahdean9685that would be a amazing twist double so since mr house now has a large confirmed appearance in the show

@@manuelmoralez2257 so I wonder if he's going to be alive in season 2 makes you wonder what is canon in fallout New Vegas cuz I know there's a few times where you been asked to go kill him fun fact if you have a golf club or nine iron and kill Mr House you complete a challenge that is a reference to BioShock will you kill Andrew Ryan!

Or he goes down the evil path and sticks to Enclave directives!

@@manofwarb Also possible. It would depend on the writing. Two (or more) stories could be possible.

Its more likely they will be featured in SE 2 of show

No, if you read the Enclave terminals, they treat the Gunners the same as the BoS - a hostile force too powerful for them to take on at this time. Otherwise, there'd be lore galore about the Enclave delegating tasks to the Gunners.

Talon in Fallout 3 also was not really working much for anyone, despite being soldiers for hire, they were just meanie angrypants in there, Fallout 4 mercs improved some more, but they still tend to attack on sight, not really a good business-plan, if you ask me. Best blend would be to act like a mix of the *unners and the mercs working at the Parson mental ward.

@@manofwarbYeah but they are a PMC. They could have hired the Gunners at one point and told them to destroy Quincy or something but later they took someone else’s money (the Institutes) and turned against the Enclave.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 if that was the case, Enclave soldiers would have orders to shoot Gunners on sight for retribution. Instead, their reports imply that they don't quite know who these "gunners" are.

@@manofwarb where?

Similar ideologies but they are in fact enemies. Just think about Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

The Vaultclave!!

@@manofwarbactually i think Vault Tec is basically the Research Division of the Enclave. The data gained from their studies would be used to spearhead the Enclaves project to Colonize new Planets and start over.

The enclave is one of those “factions” that vault tec deems a problem, to them the enclave are in the same boat as the ncr or the brotherhood.

@@youraveragegamer1964 true, however Vault Tec is hinted to have nuclear stockpile, not something to use to cleanse the surface for the dwellers one generation away. The Enclave has been noted for favoring the biological solution to cleanse the surface.

I think they were trying to breed an army of loyal Super Mutants the Frank Horrigan (again) and the Dogs are test subjects who are trained and later dipped in FEV and transformed into Mutant Hounds. This is probably also another reason the Scientist left, even if the dog survived testing he would have a fate worse than death.

I can almost guarantee you that the writers themselves don't know.

@@Thagomizer why? They plan a lot in advance.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 For everything season 1 did well, it certainly doesn't feel like the second half of the season was written by the same writers. Look at all the stuff that doesn't pay off, or only raises more questions. The dead people in Vault 32, Moldaver's actions during the raid contrasted with her behavior in the final episode, etc. And on it goes.

​@@ThagomizerI'm glad the show left me with questions. Gives more of a reason to anticipate season 2 and brainstorm with the community.

Norfolk is the last enclave stronghold on the continent

In the PTS there was a sign in that bunker that said "Norfolk Naval Base" next to 2 signs that said "Poseidon Oil Rig" and "Raven Rock" so maybe we'll see Norfolk in a future Fallout

People glitched into it, found a fully functional secret base type beat, and Bethesda panicked and cut off access since it was prematurely accessed lmao

@@octavianhughes4493 I knew it was too important seeming of a site to not have much of anything going on, other than a handy complaining about his flowers and a couple military bots.

@@octavianhughes4493 it was supposed to be apart of the v63 quest when you find an Air Force lieutenant there named Marc’s and he explains that the U.S. Army is gone

The DARPA chief

Why do they even refer to themselves as the enclave? I get why All the outsiders would call them that. Really seem like something you would just referred to yourself as.

If there actually were over 100 Enclave sites all over the CONUS, they'd need a big bloated bureaucracy to manage them all. The Enclave may be many things, but a bureaucracy where someone needs multiple levels of approval to get anything done, is definitely not them.

​@@manofwarb Well we don't exactly know how it is they operate and this is by design that BES doesn't give much away for this faction. However that does not mean resources and allocated from upper management to an Outpost/Research station and who ever is in charge of that will allocate to their underlings. Which is the bureaucracy you are talking about. We also know that the Enclave is not fully unified either there are Divisions within that organisation.

@@kylemendoza8860that could be a code name that evolved into a proper name. Government likes code names.

@@Dazzxp dude, when was the last time you went to a BMV outlet to get your license or registration renewed? Do you remember just how much supporting documentation you had to present and how nitpicky the clerks were? That is how a government bureaucracy is. If you were an Enclave outpost supervisor requesting resources, you'd be spending months wrestling with procedural red tape. Nothing would ever actually get done.

The Legion are probably even more evil imo. A lot of ordinary Enclave soldiers didn't give a shit about the Enclave's deranged ideology (see the Remnants in F:NV) and some even helped blow up the oil rig. Meanwhile Legionaries are pretty much uniformly evil all the time. You can't really have a conversation where they don't say anything utterly deranged. The least evil one is probably Ulysses, who has committed genocide.

@@captainyossarian388 you say this like you know it’s going to happen.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 I feel that it's almost a certainty. The Enclave are not going to sit on their hands while the Brotherhood reaps the benefits of their stolen tech, and I doubt the Enclave could use subterfuge against the Brotherhood to get that tech back. They'll attack directly. Hopefully we'll see their X-01 power armor in combat.

Its possible that there are some in Texas, Chicago, Alaska, and different real world millitary bases. If you wanna get reeeeaaally speculative though... they might be on the moon.

@@spiffygonzales5160 I hope so and if they do reappear in another fallout game I would be glad to destroy them so they wouldn’t pose a threat to the wasteland.

Ot be nice to see the Bos do what thry did in tavtics and start building yp rather than building one chapter and hidding behind a closed door and bullying anyone with flasher weapons than a slug thrower

I think it was this weird story about how remaining forces from California and Fallout 2 made the trek to the capital wasteland to settle in at Raven Rock. Almost would have felt more logical, if they were just the descendants of government people, who took shelter inside Raven Rock back in 2077, if you ask me.

​Enclave is scattered all around theyre not just in cali, theyre in appalachia, DC as well as chicago

So, The Machine either didn't predict the bombs dropping, or no one knew how to react when it identified the Persson of Interest as ... Barb Howard!!!

C'mon, we've had a Prez and Veep named Dick before!!

Don't forget, El B.J.!

They been trying to do that for a while but they keep jumping the gun and trying to jump to doomsday weapons and normaly thats what gets them.

I actually think that the shadowy figure in the vault Tec meeting looked like a zetan. Check out the clip if you pause and zoom is really fucking weird how much it looks like zetans in fo3

What there is one ending where the institute doesn't become an extension of the glowing sea. In that ending there is no Prydwen flying around.

Remnants? Yes. But if you mean the whole faction including their facility then no, absolutely not. The Prydwen confirms this

But the Enclave has no actual connection to the Institute..

Lookin' at timelines, Enclave was this quasi-Illuminati, that started the whole Vault-program, but then lost its hold and control over the vaults, while Institute was just random CIT survivors simply at first trying to make it thru the... Fallout. One thing is weird Enclave almost seems to have even forgotten the coordinates for vaults at least in FO3, while I think in the beginning of Fallout 2, they knew exactly where to go. One would think they have committed to memory the locations of the vaults and all the secret overrides to opening the frontdoor even an Overseer perhaps would not know about.

@@kyledownie Prydwen airship confirms nothing. It is very common practice for militaries to reuse the same name for different ships. I.E. The USS Enterprise which is currently undergoing its 7th iteration.

He's probably working on it

Golden Rule of the Wasteland in action 😂

​@@d.stomper1970getting sidetracked by bulshit every goddamn time!

Great Video Oxhorn. Lots of great info that I was not aware of, since I have not played 1 or 2.

Meh, a little too cartoony for my taste. They were there at the same time, when the games had talking brahmin and molerats in them also.

Yeah, all the Enclave stuff that came with the update to Fallout is just pretty in a hurry copy-pasted stuff. You've got Enclave personnel outside of power armor or hazmat suits just chilling in the Glowing Sea and only the pilot of the Vertabird at the end of this " epic quest" is wearing a hazmat suit. I think they knowingly needed to remove the possibility of radiation damage from the Enclave personnel and that still did not ring any bells in their mind. If I use modded in spawners to spawn someone like a Minuteman or a Merc into the glowing sea, they drop in under a minute all by themselves from the radiation.

The Enclave President was only introduced in FO2.