This is Why WN8 is Dumb and Promotes Selfish Play

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This is Why WN8 is Dumb and Promotes Selfish Play

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Күн бұрын

Watch these two games and tell me who helped their team win the most. This is why chasing WN8 is dumb and promotes selfish gameplay.
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@ziedtimoumi9496 Ай бұрын

i stoped playing the game from 2 years. but i keep watching your video.

@adeptusmagi Ай бұрын

same as but a bit longer than that lost enjoyment after new physics model for everything apart from the new wheeled french things that defeated the whole idea they claimed was the reasoning behind the new physics model

@p4radigm989 Ай бұрын

You're 100% correct. Although I have decent WN8, I think it's the worst statistic for this game ever. At one time I didn't even want to play with my friends because they are not the best players and would have dragged down my WN8 score... So really, WN8 sucks, promotes selfish play, makes people egoistic, and ruins the fun for everyone.

@crevette_farouche Ай бұрын

I don't see how being good at this game promote selfish play and ruins the fun for everyone?

@jasonpenn5476 Ай бұрын

@@crevette_farouche Just because you have a bad WN8, that doesn't mean that you are a bad player (did you not watch the second match? The guy pretty much won the game for his team, yet his earned WN8 for the game sucked) and just because you have a decent WN8, that doesn't make you a good player (the goal of the matches is to win, and you can do almost all the damage for your team giving you a good WN8 score and still lose) Win rate is an even poorer statistic that I have seen people use to compare each other with, and win rate means nothing in regards to how good of a player you are. For example you could kill 13 out of 15 tanks in every match you are in, but always be on a shitty team and still lose, giving you a low win rate; or you could die in the first 30 seconds of every match, but always be on kick ass teams and constantly win, giving you a great win rate! Basically, players who use win rate and WN8 to judge how good a player is are the ones who are toxic and usually shitty team mates!

@hatatfatcat Ай бұрын

@@jasonpenn5476 and they are usually the ones that complain and berate the rest of the team if things go wrong

@generalpublic3744 Ай бұрын

@@crevette_farouche When I used to play WOT I would do a lot of things, to help the team win that many players, certainly statpadders, would not do. I didn't give a damn about WN8, I just played the game, not the statistics.

@jasonpenn5476 Ай бұрын

@@hatatfatcat totally

@Dennys854 Ай бұрын

Never had a high WN8 but being in the right place at the right time and getting the win means more.

@starkiller_thecryingscru3487 Ай бұрын

High wn8 means you're winning games. High wn8 means ur having an impact in all ur games

@JZam-ed9vo Ай бұрын

@@starkiller_thecryingscru3487nah, its bs it does not matter how good you are if the rest of the team are muppets

@starkiller_thecryingscru3487 Ай бұрын

@@JZam-ed9vo And yet some people win 70% of their games and others win 45% so skill is clearly a factor...

@adeptusmagi Ай бұрын

@@starkiller_thecryingscru3487 yes if WN8 was the be all and end all Why do some high WN8 players have a lower win rate then others by a significant percentage because they play to just farm for the WN8 stats basically

@JZam-ed9vo Ай бұрын

@@starkiller_thecryingscru3487 nah, I dont think soo, maybe when you have a team but there are a lot of players with a high wn8 but 50-55% of victories, skill can be a factor but remember you dont play alone vs 15🤷

@matthewandrews9052 Ай бұрын

Kunze benefited from spawn location too. If he was further to the west maybe he misses those initial spots. But your points are good ones. Plus he had the right equipment and directive and skilled crew. I like all the German tier 9 mediums. Still like leopard PTa the best I think.

@TheSecretOfNem Ай бұрын

Been my favourite since I got it. Play it every time I reinstall.

@stratwrassler Ай бұрын

Someone who has a T55-A likely had to use a lot of skill and aiming to win that tank. I am not such a player, spend most of my time playing lower tiers because I don't like leaking credits all over the maps.... and my favorite play is passive light scout camping in an OP bushka... Re: WN8 - Some really good clan skirm/advanced players who have relatively low PR or WN8 ratings. This is because they don't play randoms any more, as soon as they discovered clan play they abandoned randoms. Oh, and thank you so much for admitting how much lights farming SD is beneficial to a team. I often get accused of being a bot or "useless" for doing it. I'm doing what a light scout is supposed to do, not brawl or yolo.

@fredsmith7538 Ай бұрын

Would rather have the second guy, as vision wins most of the time, especially on the open maps.

@thecellulontriptometer4166 Ай бұрын

I always find it hilarious and ridiculous when some player chases in you into messaging and sends you something saying how good they are based on WN8. I always say, "get a life". Then I blacklist them so I don't have to listen to them anymore.

@AussieMate-ke5td Ай бұрын

Bro I'm gonna be honest, I use to be one of these players bragging about WN8, however I use to play WoT on console (Xbox One) and have since uninstalled the game as I hated myself for being toxic and having a toxic mindset. I mean players tho on console are a different level of stupid even by PC standards 😂 but the point is I'd rather not put myself through that and just watch other people play as its more relaxing for me. I also quit because I dont think I enjoy the game without a competitive mindset. Sometimes I miss the days when I was blissfully unaware of WN8 and any of the other stat crap and could just enjoy playing the game for the tanks instead. I wish they removed the WN8 crap and until they do, im done participating. Im not sure if WG is directly involved in the stats themselves, but they've done nothing to try and remove it from 3rd party sites. I think some stats are fine like win rate but the whole game is revolved around stats, stats, stats and it promotes selfish play styles as claus put in hes title.

@zach_zach5898 Ай бұрын

Seeing gold shred through an Obj430U turret is so wrong. That tank used to be the hull-down medium. Protect lower plate and enjoy the bounces.

@rosmundsen Ай бұрын

Mr Claus, I am glad that you did not get eaten by a bear on your mountain hike.

@darrellsymonds3299 Ай бұрын

I totally agree with your title here. Also allot of Men that have these top games play for themselves and not for the team.

@yorkyswe Ай бұрын

WN8 is a toxic mod for a toxic game. It fits perfectly.

@patricksottek5913 Ай бұрын

WG is the instigator of in-game toxicity. WG NA staff are a bunch of basement dwelling kids on a power trip who perpetuate the toxic nature of the game with their needless bans. Another words, the WG NA staff are worthless jackasses who cannot get a job at Walmart.

@JZam-ed9vo Ай бұрын

Not really, people make things toxic, at the end wn8 is just a number (very useless number) depends of each person how to take it

@Grazysworld Ай бұрын

These guys are fun to have on your team, you mostly win with a spotter on the team.

@grantderue Ай бұрын

My favorite player in the game has a 578 win8 with a 57% percent win rate. He only plays low to mid-tier Russian scout tanks. A-20 (15k), T-50 (15k), and MT-25 (11k) are his top 3. There is no win8 bonus for being a good scout.

@aoli7313 Ай бұрын

20% Skill 80% RNG 31% Map knowledge

@Hakkolinen Ай бұрын

Lmao. Noob.

@fokthewef Ай бұрын

@@Hakkolinen I like aho like you in the game. The minute you manifest , I jump in the nearest water body, sit back and watch you win the game alone.

@Hakkolinen Ай бұрын

@@fokthewef I win 60+ percent of my games at tier X, so I make a difference yes. Am I all the difference? Ofc not

@jgold2813 Ай бұрын

what map would that be ? as they change them and make them suck even more then the guy who started them

@eugenemack5169 Ай бұрын

Map knowledge 100%

@stevewebster5729 Ай бұрын

No idea what my WN8 is - probably crap as I'm just a 50% plodder who tries to do the right thing for the team given the situation... and I care not

@bedientvondeutschland1779 Ай бұрын

Nice to see you again looking good. You had a lot of stress last week.

@adeptusmagi Ай бұрын

yes i was in a clan that concentrated on tank company battles the clan leader always stated win rate was more important than WN8 as it showed team play ability

@johnscott107 Ай бұрын

👍👌 Good commentary, very informative and interesting. Thanks Claus.

@demetriusgallitzin8859 Ай бұрын

Squad 44 has great armor play, and statistics are hardly kept or provided both during and after the game. Some selfish play exists, but it's not as common.

@springfield4522 Ай бұрын

Not just the WN8 scores but the daily missions are almost all based on damage and kills.

@themeikyo Ай бұрын

The first special bush for Kunze was a biig luck for spoting....no enemy blind fire in all that bush....pure luck for Kunze

@citylumberjack9169 Ай бұрын

Especially the weekend mid-tier players. Guys with 20k games playing the same tank at tier 5 with a 9-skill crew and all gold ammo, hiding at the back for 5 minutes then coming in to kill-steal or simply going fully AFK if the game is going poorly.

@chris-jq1se Ай бұрын

I see you play on NA server… 😉

@davidlabedz2046 Ай бұрын

Agree that both games were well played!

@woodyamsterdam Ай бұрын

It’s the same with arty and stun assist. You can do 5k stun assist but when your actual damage is less than 1.5k, your WN8 will be way below 1k. But it does increase your MOE percentage and possibly get you an Ace tanker.

@markmcarthur4353 Ай бұрын

Gooday all....I see the bears didnt get you Claus. My WN8 is really only about WN4.

@remiavard7709 Ай бұрын

I really swear that a better way to know how a player is good, an other way is with damaged block, it don't give XP but each damage block is damage not done to an ally.

@darrellsymonds3299 Ай бұрын

I love a man like you Claus as you come here with the Truth and Facts and not like like other men do to get their free tanks.

@singncarpenter6270 Ай бұрын

Great commentary Claus.

@vernonbice732 Ай бұрын

All of WOT is devoted to selfish play. Missions, WN8, rewards, etc are all based on individual statistics. Even the way the random games are set up mean that any type of teamwork is difficult at best. No time to coordinate, form defensive strong points or mark attack lanes/positions, etc. Every now and then you can find someone watching your flank or you can watch someone else's. Spotting is the most obvious team maneuver, but, you are rarely rewarded for it, and, sometimes penalized. I do really love the games where a 'like' group of tanks go with a common goal and win a flank or even a game by supporting each other rather than trying to 'steal' all the hit points/kills.

@jack-xf6il Ай бұрын

Thanks Claus!

@triggSerable Ай бұрын

I think WN8 is a broadsword kind of metric which can give one a general indication if a player is good at the game or not, but it's not 100% reliable and prone to manipulation, the most of which imo happens when players go seal clubbing with OP tanks in lower tiers. That being said, when a person has 50k games and 500wn8, he will 100% have a winrate way below 50% and will not be a good player.

@markking6153 Ай бұрын

Great vid Claus!

@sargemarine3709 Ай бұрын

I am YOUR FREE TO PLAY GUY !! You signed me up. I enjoy wrecking those pay too win tanks ! LOL That is this man's goal every game. PS Are you going to show my 1st 8kill game, I SENT YOU ? Yea it's tier 4. LOL

@hansdegroot652 Ай бұрын

This game is all about the friendly chats

@jackcrawford6078 Ай бұрын

outstanding

@clintonturner5545 Ай бұрын

I bought the movie Yesterday from Amazon. Good movie.

@HughFordham Ай бұрын

As I understand it the Wargaming API doesn't include spotting damage so it can't be used in external tools like WN8.

@kennethhansson4493 Ай бұрын

Also, sometimes you block a flank, do no damage and no spotting. And the other flank did a good job. Her you did not get any WN8 either but you blocked your flank so that other flank could go around getting enemies in their backs. Not valued in anyway in wot….

@ismailmiley4410 Ай бұрын

Indeed for those who know him "John The Terrible" one of the best players on the NA server told me the exact same.

@richardkucia9546 Ай бұрын

Tanks moveing in open disappears

@ernestpaul2484 Ай бұрын

"Like a hot knife thru Swiss cheese". The culinary master once again comes out in Claus. PS: By the way, when is the next giant fondue meal going to be made at the cabin?

@ClausKellerman Ай бұрын

soon!

@edoisovic7160 Ай бұрын

Most of my Mastery badges were made with tomato results in wn8 system

@peterk_hh Ай бұрын

Good video interesting 🎉

@victor-mihailpopescu1027 Ай бұрын

Great games. Both. Yes, the Kunzi was pivotal

@markwoodhouse7043 Ай бұрын

Good thing that I gave up the game before WN8!

@spiritusmundi5398 Ай бұрын

Armor profile in world of tanks is meaningless when players just spam gold throughout a battle. No real skill required. Then get a high WN8 number and gloat as if it means something.

@flukeman022 Ай бұрын

13:44 How do you get choose what load out you have? I can see the 1 and 2 numbers that click on but how do you get that?

@Leithenator Ай бұрын

Field mods. Once you max out the tank (buy all the upgraded tracks, turrets etc...) then you get a button on the upgrade screen for field modifications.

@flukeman022 Ай бұрын

@@Leithenator ah, thank you very much. Happy Tanking. 👍

@burnhamsghost8044 Ай бұрын

I’m sure the tomatoes will feel better after watching this. But high WN8 correlates greatly with high win percentage.

@ettingerp Ай бұрын

Some vids ago you asked for the local time when watching the vid..this one was published 30min ago. Local time is 1330 GMT

@jamesbilodeau2990 Ай бұрын

I love this map!

@Abusemtex Ай бұрын

IIrc WN8 was introduced when WG rating sucked and nobody really knew what that WG number ment. Right now the WG rating says much more then WN8 about the player but WN8/7 is still a decent indicator.

@Big_Gaz_1 Ай бұрын

I run with the name anonymiser as i got sick fed up with other players slagging my WN8 off because i wasn't an "elite" player like them. I play to have fun, not to be a butt-sucking slave to the game with no sex life

@johnmoe2806 Ай бұрын

This have been a problem with WN7 and WN8 since the beginning since the WOT API did not offer data for Damage Assist I think. However today I believe this data is available. Maybe it is time for WN9 or WN8 + Damage Assist. That said I think any experienced player/clan know what to look for regarding good spotting knowledge. I think WTR is a better way to measure good players today. But I also believe you can go completely ego and have high WTR. It's hard to counter. How to award team players vs ego players? When are a player ego vs just smart? We could have a player award system but this would probably just be misused where you always reward you friend above the best player, etc.

@yieldtothenight Ай бұрын

imho Marking is worse than WN8 because if a player sees he has a bad team before the game starts he camps at the back farming damage that the rest of the team spot whilst taking the risk moving forward.

@crevette_farouche Ай бұрын

Ah yes, 3 marking a heavy, light, medium while sitting in the back. Works 100% of the time.

@nicoladegani2257 Ай бұрын

i dont think u ever 3 marked a tank, dont u?

@peterharbun1825 Ай бұрын

What does WN8 stand for?

@lk2207 Ай бұрын

Totally agree that WN8 is an inaccurate stat for how good a player is because many players stay at low tiers stat padding against new players which inflates their WN8. It becomes obvious they aren't a great player when they attempt to play tier 8 and above. WN8 is accurate in determining a players " MUPPET" level. If a player has a sub 500 WN8 he's most likely a Moron. Especially if they have played several thousand battles.

@HeinzGuderian_ Ай бұрын

I told my buddy to include his WN8 on his resume as it will help him gain better employment faster. He told me it didn't help at all. I don't understand how normal people don't see the value in it.

@sargemarine3709 Ай бұрын

LMAO ! If you can get a look at these "posers", you see there is no real interhuman communications skills. LMAO !!

@jw8687 Ай бұрын

Gamers and Social media promote what I call "Main Character Syndrome".

@jeffhillstead3302 Ай бұрын

Win rate should matter, but it is broken.. A SPG spotting should get more credit.. 😊

@russwoodward8251 Ай бұрын

But Claus, selfish is what 'Merica is all about. Two really good games today, lots of good instruction on spotting, really great, thanks.

@speedmanxx Ай бұрын

Barely hear Wn8 tossed around in matches anymore. It has become accepted as a crap measure of a player. It is so ridiculously pad-able ( low tier padding ) that no one really takes it seriously anymore. With so many variables in game it is hard to have any real metric that show an individual players true skill. I lean toward winrate myself.

@uwillnevahno6837 Ай бұрын

0:05 wrong fingers Claus. It's .!. >.< .!. and WG's micro 8> up our 0 holes.

@Barlin1963 Ай бұрын

RIGHT

@nojoojuu Ай бұрын

Pure psychology. Most of the players fall for WG's propaganda. You get a reward if you collect this and that, and with money you get benefits that make you collect faster.

@kenmayo6906 Ай бұрын

Great video 😂

@soopafamicom Ай бұрын

said this for years. years ago nobody was bothered, people went out to try and do the best and helped the team as best they could. Since the wn8 stuff started then half the players would just be out for themselves, would be the ones who irregardless of the vehicle would just be sat at the back and not move until the end, never help support a flank or do what is needed to support the team. Arseholes in other words.

@patricksottek5913 Ай бұрын

no such word as "irregardless".

@soopafamicom Ай бұрын

@@patricksottek5913 Irrespective of what you believe, yes there is, maybe you should invest in a dictionary or go back to school,. Pinecone.

@theodorefreeman Ай бұрын

The WN8 is biased toward damage. You get more xp for damage than anything else, especially closer than 300 meters. If you want great WN8 play brawling tanks and do well. Play anything else with similar damage results at greater than 300 meters and you will receive a quarter reduction in xp.

@2tone209 Ай бұрын

AY UP CLAUS

@mmk749 Ай бұрын

Since spotting dmg does not count when it comes to WN8...

@blaze1148 Ай бұрын

*WN8 IS LOVE : WN8 IS LIFE !*

@treadheadpete4770 Ай бұрын

Why Not

@TrashedPandaProductions Ай бұрын

Wait? We are supposed to play as a team and not stat pad.

@MrCam70 Ай бұрын

How to set the wn8 shown in the report? Mod or ingame ?

@salty4496 Ай бұрын

Another pair of cracking games, I prefered the second game better :)

@clintonturner5545 Ай бұрын

Great. Now I deed a cookie.

@cmdrTic Ай бұрын

The first Claus video i couldn't finish, this map is so damn boring

@robbyrocksoo Ай бұрын

So WN8 may be a measure of how selfish the player is, or may be a measure of how good they are? Of maybe a little of both?

@jameslanning8405 Ай бұрын

Yeah, he pinned armor like a hot knife... Until WG decides to nurf it down to the rest of the tanks. I want to play in the GD Canadian servers! I'm SICK of the BS matches in the USC servers. Sure, every country has their muppets. But in the US, EVERYONE is a FU*KING muppet! You can tell when the 'little darlings,' are out of school for the summer! So all day long, the little bastards are there! At 3 in the morning, they're there! At high noon the brats are there! There's no teamwork, no strategy, and you can't depend on anyone on the team. They have their own agenda, or no agenda at all! Hell! I wonder if they aren't just bot tanks filling the slots?

@victorduffy4459 Ай бұрын

I have no idea what my WN8 is. Where do you even find it?

@ionescuconstantin9318 Ай бұрын

Wot life

@gorans9756 Ай бұрын

I love to play LTs but they are becoming meaningless. Especially in top tiers with setups like this. WG needs to make more differentiation in the tank roles. Tier X lots are pretty much obsolete

@elleeVee Ай бұрын

wn8 is a measure of DPG over a long period of time, which is the best metric to show player skill besides straight up WR. taking both into account is a good way to judge if someones good or not

@jameslanning8405 Ай бұрын

And CLAUS NEVER tells us which servers these matches are played on...

@brealistic3542 Ай бұрын

I just play to have fun. Its a game after all. If your not having fun it's a job then.😆

@darrellsymonds3299 Ай бұрын

I could have or anyone else could have a good Win8 if you wanted to spend all your time on here but I play this game because it is a GAME and not a job. Yes you want to get better at any game you play. I find it so Stupid when these so called top clans want you to have such and such Win8 and all these so called other top stats. I played on a few of these top teams and did really well but left because of the nonsense of treating this like a job. Remember some of these clans have been gotten and many if you look have Disbanded or many players have just left.

@nebojsamamula1444 Ай бұрын

I am 60% player who lost 300 wn8 last year only bc i am playing lts.. still have 2800 and don t care about wn8 butt when they resolve that problem and include spot and assist dmg into wn8 or wn10 or something like that i will install wot again.. and so will many other people..

@senlac2335 Ай бұрын

said like someone with bad wn8

@vincentwiddershoven2122 Ай бұрын

I wil ask again... who tf is Mikey??? 😂

@christonkinson8473 Ай бұрын

I have the stats of a 🍅 makes it more interesting when the xvm trolls start making me laugh i always battle harder when i have a troll to put down

@fokthewef Ай бұрын

I've got a low wn8, I've trashed my fair share of high wn8s

@Hakkolinen Ай бұрын

Ah, arty player huh?

@fokthewef Ай бұрын

@@Hakkolinen 😂😂😂 fortunately no. Been playing since 2021 and I've played arty only at tier 6 for missions and probably only 30 games out of a total 30K plus games. I hate arty and hate playing arty. I play mostly the bourrasque

@Hakkolinen Ай бұрын

@@fokthewef So you think the high wn8 players you "trash" most often trash others or get trashed themselves?

@terrythomas8482 Ай бұрын

Stats mean fuck all......

@johncodmore Ай бұрын

Hello

@Lupi33z Ай бұрын

Does anyone really play for WN8? I think selfish players play for mission objectives when they're not playing for win rate. Maybe some do if there are clan requirements, but I think win rate is as much a requirement for those highly competitive clans.

@jasonkempf4992 Ай бұрын

Wait, thought the BZ was broken?! Shouldn't it won that game?

@wildgooseman7047 Ай бұрын

Cue all the win8 window lickers trying to defend why damage farming is all that matters. Most don't care if they lose.

@chris-jq1se Ай бұрын

Why do people care so much about wn8?? It’s not a part of the game. It’s a third party stat that only comes from a mod, and all it shows is how selfish a player can be to only focus on damage and not a team win. WoT has a rating system already and a win rate score. wn8 is just for wallet warriors that can’t hack it without mods.

@MaartendeJager Ай бұрын

Spotting doesnt require gold spamm

@rikkshow Ай бұрын

Yesterday I tried to pen a medium tank with 330mm pen. The tank was capping and I had 15 sec left to reset. We were losing. I bounced TWICE, and we lost. So 330 cannot pen 75mm when RNG says no? The loss was pre-determined? Like Claus says, I call BS...

@ryanbarre2390 Ай бұрын

Im waiting for wn9 to care..lol

@AntzWar Ай бұрын

I can remember when I watched a stream with one of the Wargaming employees (Eekeeboo I think), he admitted the game is all about what damage you do (assistance damage as well) and WN8 and win rate don't really matter, focus on your average damage per game

@shotgunshawzy Ай бұрын

Your average damage per game can vary depending on the tier you play ie tier X you will get more average damage compared to tier III Your point is void winning is all that matters ie the more your winning the damage comes along with it 😊

@AntzWar Ай бұрын

@@shotgunshawzy well yeah obviously the damage will be higher per tier, but the more winning does not mean more damage, you do your damage whether you win or lose, the result has nothing to do with it, you can have an insane battle and do high damage and still lose! what I'm getting at is trying to get a decent level of damage for whatever is your preferred tier to play

@AntzWar Ай бұрын

@@shotgunshawzy we're talking about average damage relative to the tiers you like to play, generally your average should be going up the more you play if you are improving