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Does Supercharging DESTROY Tesla Battery? | Tesla Range Loss
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Күн бұрынDoes supercharging your Tesla EV lead to range loss and shorter battery life? In this video I wade through the data to help answer this question.
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@AlphaRaine Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this. I’m getting my MYLR next week and live in an apartment, so supercharging is my only option at the moment. The good news is i’m guessing i’ll only need to charge once every 3 weeks or so. This put my mind at ease.
@isaacsanchez7997 9 ай бұрын
Any updates?
@Iamrjayhd 9 ай бұрын
You’ll be charging more than 3x a week, that’s the truth so many factors can drain the battery
@Mr.Atlanta850 8 ай бұрын
IF you are going to be driving that Car EVERY DAY. You will be charging More than 3× a week. Only charged it to 85% 🗣 NO MORE.
@sbjin87 7 ай бұрын
lol once every three weeks.. it’s going to be more like three times every week. I live in an apt and my commute is 10 miles one way.. that’s pretty much the only driving I do besides going to the gym or the groceries, all within 5 miles of home. Battery goes from 80 to the 20s in three days. The advertised range is not reflective of real world driving at all.
@jamaaldavis6243 Ай бұрын
Any updates?
@justrandomthings319 Жыл бұрын
I supercharge exclusively and my battery is still fine.
@PhuNguyen-bi7pi Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I was fretting a bit over not having home charging and solely relying on supercharging. Now I can sleep in peace
@MrMarko4 6 ай бұрын
And how has it gone 7 months later?, I’m buying one next week and most likely supercharging only too.
@PhuNguyen-bi7pi 6 ай бұрын
@@MrMarko4 It's going fine. But I also charge with level 2
@MrMarko4 6 ай бұрын
@@PhuNguyen-bi7pi which level 2 chargers are the best ones to go to?. Do you charge to 100?, cheers for replying, very useful.
@PhuNguyen-bi7pi 6 ай бұрын
@@MrMarko4 I live in BC, Canada. I use ChargePoint near my house. It gains 10% per hour (also $1/h). Yes I do charge to 100% at least once a week
@aussietaipan8700 Жыл бұрын
I have an 8 year old model S 85 which I recently purchased and I know from the previous owners, the car has only been supercharged twice on its life. I recently had a CCS2 retrofit and the service center also performed a full car check including battery health of which the stated in writing the car is in near perfect condition. I drove the car 112km, the car at the start had a range of 346 km, at the destination the range was 244 km. I love this car and am confident the battery will stay good for quite a while.
@Aggie4life77 5 ай бұрын
I was wondering what results were for an electric car this age. This is promising. I’m in the market for a used electric car(2 years~) and I was thinking the battery might be at 50 percent charge lol!
@miladformoli9088 Жыл бұрын
Man thank I only do supercharging all the time I try to keep it between 20% to 90% and this just came in my mind if it’s okay to do it everyday but this video helped
@longboardfella5306 Жыл бұрын
That's very helpful - I live in a highrise in Australia and at present no options for slow charging at home - but there is a supercharger not far from where I live. I was discouraged from buying a Tesla due to concern over supercharging killing the battery - seems to be not much of an issue.
@DarrylFranklinGetawaySailing Жыл бұрын
Hi Jon look into High Purity Alumina (HPA) It is currently used in some higher grade Li batteries as a separator and sometimes within the anode. From my research I believe HPA will become a favourite for battery manufacturers as it allows fast charging, fire safety, longevity of the cycle life. There are companies now looking at HPA doped graphite anode’s which allow the anode to absorb more Li ions as there is far more available locations for the ion. Far less plating occurs when HPA is introduced to the chemistry.
@allanpedersen5755 Жыл бұрын
I drove 36.000 km over 3½ year Tesla 3 LR RWD - only supercharging. From new EPA 520 km range, now 500 km range. Only to 100% 3 times, normally 80% to 90%.
@adisurd Жыл бұрын
You use both EPA and km in one sentence. I don’t believe you. You are fake 😂
@atifkm09 7 ай бұрын
Do you have LFP battery or older one?
@bardz0sz 6 ай бұрын
@@atifkm09LR is NMA (no LFP for LR)
@walooo Жыл бұрын
I find it really odd that people fret over losing 20-30miles of range after several years, while promoting the solution of charging to 90% which means you've already given yourself the 10% degradation up front. 🤔
@JensSchraeder Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha. You’re gonna lose a lot more than that. You can’t beat the laws of physics
@ProCSRman Жыл бұрын
As if ice vehicles don’t lose mpg as they age.
@dyeace Жыл бұрын
@@ProCSRmanexcept they do ya dingus
@JoshuaMcTackett 7 ай бұрын
@@dyeacethe comment you replied to was ironic. Obviously ICE vehicles lose MPG effectively reducing their range over time as well. It’s just something nobody calculates or gives any time to.
@Coyote.five.0 6 ай бұрын
@@JoshuaMcTackettyes they loose like what 1 or 2 or 3 mpg and they go down in range what from 450 miles to 440 miles in a span of 15 years i say we are good to go .
@djnavari Жыл бұрын
Fantastic technical topics over the last 4 months!! 😊
@georgepelton5645 Жыл бұрын
Jon, Great job reviewing the available info and great advice to owners at the end. 😀
@philmarsh7723 19 күн бұрын
Nice to hear that. I just got a Model Y LR and I rarely drive around town - use a bike for that. I will likely put on most of my miles on long road trips, which means DC fast charging.
@themikelewis94 8 ай бұрын
Great video. Clearly presented with minimum of fluff and lots of supporting data.
@finishstrongcycling2355 Жыл бұрын
I noted an interesting potential correlation between the average C rate and the warranty length. Perhaps owners with shorter warranties can increase battery longevity by keeping the C rate lower.
@jonathanwiliams4993 Жыл бұрын
I supercharge my model 3 all the time. I've had my performance dual motor for 4 years and Ihave 155k on the odometer. . Im getting 263 mi now. Its getting colder. I was getting 270 mi in the summer
@Cleanerwatt Жыл бұрын
What was the range when new? What year/Wheels?
@jonathanwiliams4993 Жыл бұрын
And I got the first comment! Whoo hooo! Go me!!! Lol
@nordic5490 Жыл бұрын
The answer is: there is a 10yr old modelS in Norway that still has 95% of its original battery capacity after 10yrs. This car has never been super charged. There is your answer.
@jonathanwiliams4993 Жыл бұрын
@@Cleanerwatt i never really could nail that down. I didn't understand what I should be getting back then. But i swear it was like 290 or something. I never got 325 since I have th3 dual motor performance
@jonathanwiliams4993 Жыл бұрын
2018. 19 inch wheels
@JoesPhenomenal Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video! I've had my 3LR for about 9 months. I had to use a supercharger a grand total of 4 times. Once on a road trip when I first got it and just didn't want to worry about my range coming coming home, and the other 3 times were just me forgetting to charge at home for whatever reason. Staying in town, there really isn't any reason to ever have to use a supercharger at all anyways, as long as you aren't an idiot like me and forget. LOL. It's nice to know that the superchargers aren't really killing my car, though. I always worry about that. The climate here in Vegas it probably going to do that a bit over time though.
@Top12Boardsport Жыл бұрын
Charging take twice as long now on our 2014 and 2015 year models with over 300.000km driven in each and majority of charges done at SuC.
@johannesdolch 6 ай бұрын
You can easily see how good Tesla's Battery Management is when you compare the charge times of a BYD Blade battery in a Model Y RWD vs the same battery in a BYD Car.
@leetjohnson Жыл бұрын
2019 Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor. I drive a lot...probably 50% supercharging, 50% at home. I put 102,000 miles on my first battery pack which was just replaced under warranty for free, by Tesla. My range went from 310 to 262 in just under 4 years and approxiamately 100,000 miles. New battery has a max of 310 miles again. Luckily, the standard warranty for battery and drivetrain is 120,000 miles. For what it's worth, I drive my vehicle fast and I also have the $2k performance upgrade, had it since about 12,000 miles.
@leetjohnson Жыл бұрын
Also, I have the 19 inch wheels.
@Widmer09 Жыл бұрын
Did your battery die or just its capacity degraded enough to claim the warranty for a new battery?
@leetjohnson Жыл бұрын
@@Widmer09 thr battery just degraded to a point Tesla felt it would be better to replace it. Possibly for safety?
@Widmer09 Жыл бұрын
@@leetjohnson Thanks for letting me know. I think Battery degradation % is part of warranty agreements. Good to know that it didn’t just die.
@leetjohnson Жыл бұрын
@@Widmer09 yeah, I was surprised they were willing to warranty it....didn't seem terrible to me, but a notice to have it checked popped up. I also ran the battery to zero twice, so that obviously shouldn't happen, but I was pushing it, like a dummy.
@johannesdolch 6 ай бұрын
Be aware that some Manufacturers partially forego certain battery preservation measures to have better charge times on Paper. E. G. Often a Tesla will take very long to go from 95% to 100% because batteries get very sensitive when almost full. Other manufacturers just power through which looks impressive but probably isn't so great for your Battery. I'd rather stop at 95% and save my Battery life.
@danielvandermerwe7921 8 ай бұрын
Expert here : When home always charge to 50% SOC. Don’t go over 75% or below 30%. This is for maximum longevity. Right before you leave charge from 50% to whatever you need. The charge back up to 50%.
@ceeIoc Ай бұрын
If I charge to 50%. And at the end of the next day, it’s at 40%. Should I charge back up to 50% or wait until it is 30% for example? I live in an apartment so can’t keep it plugged in all the time.
@FinalGlideAus Жыл бұрын
If you are worried about supercharging too much then you should have also been overly worried if your ICE car went 500km over its service interval
@Grandmasterjord Жыл бұрын
I don’t know anyone that wouldn’t be worried about that. Maybe a child that just started driving or something but 99% of people I know don’t take their car 500k over their recommended maintenance in the manual. Haha
@FinalGlideAus Жыл бұрын
@@Grandmasterjord I rarely see a car serviced within 500km of its service requirement. It’s usually a thousand or two I’m overdue.
@Grandmasterjord Жыл бұрын
@@FinalGlideAus Oh my bad. I read it wrong. I thought you said 500k over. Meaning 500,000 over. Which is just ridiculous. Comes from being in America where we use miles and not kilometers.
@luislehmann9929 7 ай бұрын
i have a 2014 model s p85d with ludicrous+, i've been ''supercharging only'' for the past year plus 9 months. the battery is just as good as it was almost 2 years ago. still gives me 236 miles at 100%. i charge it up to 75% one day at the superchargers, then the other 25 or so % the next day, or at work. that seems to have worked.
@TheBrody92 3 ай бұрын
What?
@PATTT_ 2 ай бұрын
I actually work on electric charge co. and we work on batteries all the time, the truth is that I have no idea what im talking about, but I do have a model Y and I love to drive it around.
@tonyadigitalnorway1155 Жыл бұрын
Here in Norway I have an 8 year old Model S 85 and due to the ridiculous cost of electricity in the last 12 months I have been using supercharging exclusively. I constantly monitor my battery health and always keep it between 20% and 80% and I drive a lot. I still get over 440 km according to the app although that's not what I get IRL which is realistically around 280 before I supercharge as I have to condition the battery due to the extreme cold. The only thing I have noticed is the vampire drain is around 1% per 24 hours in the winter when it's minus 15 centigrade outside (I have no garage). I use the defrost function every morning for about 20 minutes before I plan to depart or else my windows freeze solid and won't drop down for the door to open. Supercharging doesn't worry me as my insurance fully covers the battery and drive unit should they fail. The essential apps to have are Tessie, Scan My Tesla and Watt Time (on my Samsung Galaxy 4 SmartWatch) along with the official Tesla app of course. Tried the "Wear For Tesla" app but found it kept having trouble communicating with the car too often to be trusted.
@pkerry12 Жыл бұрын
it would be much cheaper if you just let Russia provide the electricity then the problem is solved.
@CliffordMiemban Жыл бұрын
Fact: As a TESLA Lead technician, here’s what y’all need to do, when going to do a LONG DRIVE, charge it to 100% the night before your Road Trip, then when you’re already on the road, CHARGE IT until 80% (don’t go beyond that, as after that percentage, the charging is much slower, than from 20% - 80%, so y’all just wasting y’all time, and also making your battery suffers from degradation overtime. That’s what every TESLA owner MUST DO, every time y’all have a LONG DRIVE (ROAD TRIP). Have a great day to y’all!
@filipbalas495 Жыл бұрын
Easy to say difficult to do - I was half way through my meal when the thing was at 80% SOC.
@noleftturns Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video - will mark it for future reference. Thanks
@tianjohan4633 Жыл бұрын
Is there any tried and tested tips people should know about for added longevity for the battery pack? What SOC is best for storage? Say you travel half the year, and the rest of the year car is in daily use? What about cut off voltage when charging? How low can you go on the pack without affecting longevity? I know in the early days there was a 80/20 rule. Don't charge above 80 and don't discharge below 20. Is that still a rule?
@mesaber86 Жыл бұрын
Probably 50%. Never let it deep discharge though like -5% or worse. Check YT Teslabjorn for app and how its used to see stats of the car. You can check his zero mile test too to see how much bottom buffer you have and how Tesla displays this (not at all).
@Chainyanker007 Жыл бұрын
When I travel overseas and gone for 2-3 weeks I leave my MS plugged in at home and set the charge level to 50%. I’ll take it to below 50% before my trip.
@judeghazaleh3457 3 ай бұрын
DC current is much more gentle on the battery than AC current, even when AC is converted to DC. Key to Long battery life is slower charging, and minimal use of the batteries total capacity. The most ideal type of charge would be slow DC charging, but that's rarely available. Most of the time, the sole purpose of DC charging is to reduce charge time.
@SunRise-ul7ko Жыл бұрын
I've gone back to an ICE car in Australia. The distances are to vast, not enough chargers & I can't afford to wait around, for it to change on road trips.
@theelectricisraeli Жыл бұрын
great video Jon
@starting5524 2 ай бұрын
Well I don't loose milage on my gas or hybrid car. I think a fair trade off would be if they included the 20% degradation in battery capacity into the price.
@Xuzyy Жыл бұрын
I don’t know, I mean all they do is lower kw used for charging which in turns raises the minutes it would take, then take into account for good battery health it should not be charged more than 80% and thr fact that already a tesla does half km with a full charge compared to a normal diesel engine with 50 liters in the tank, doesn’t seem incredibly cleaver to be considered “the future”. I suppose normally to fully charge a tesla at home I would spend less than to have a full tank of diesel and the electric car is more efficient but still I don’t see how this can be the future, needs to be improved heavily
@volodymyr8928 5 ай бұрын
Really good and informative video. Thank you so much.
@mkrchowdari9901 Жыл бұрын
Does this mean that if you have a LFP Tesla supercharging daily will not have any impact on how fast your battery degrades and it's going to be the same as charging at home?
@dougholmes6631 Жыл бұрын
I took delivery of a 2022 model Y performance in February of this year. I’ve put over 21,000 miles on it so far and I’ve seen 16 miles lost from when it was new. About a 5% loss
@dougholmes6631 Жыл бұрын
By the way I super charge my tesla twice weekly. Due to the miles I travel on the weekend visiting my grandchildren.
@mathieusturkenboom Жыл бұрын
@@dougholmes6631 mine has zero degradtion after 40k miles and i only supercharged three times. december 2021 delivery so i guess the supercharging does affect battery
@dougholmes6631 Жыл бұрын
@@mathieusturkenboom I would agree.
@nabilhijazi6131 Жыл бұрын
I had my MS since mid March I put on it 12k kms & has lost 4.9 % ( around 20 km of range), Tesla advised me to calibrate the battery by charging from below 10% to 100% & that should restore my original 555 km range. N.b I supercharge 2-3 times a month
@MrStlover99 16 күн бұрын
Im on 2nd battery at 81k miles, I'm now wprried. I have to charge everyday. Maybe I'll go to 80 instead of 90
@Vegitobluuuuu 3 ай бұрын
The new LFP battery in Tesla can be charged fully %100 with no problem or degradation in charging cycles and battery health. In fact Tesla recommends charging the new LFP batteries to full capacity. But I don’t know if fast charging those batteries would hurt them. I know they last longer than conventional lithium batteries and can resist more heat and colder conditions
@tjxoom1 Жыл бұрын
My 2013 S 85 has over 220k miles. I don't pay attention when I supercharge or not. My current range is 230 miles. Which is a degradation of 13.2%. Current temperature here is 114 degrees.
@weariedcleric6306 4 ай бұрын
Are you in Phoenix? I just bought a P85
@douggolde7582 Жыл бұрын
Depth and hieght of charge is more important than rate.
@Cleanerwatt Жыл бұрын
I agree completely!
@miquelTesla Ай бұрын
super charged for one trip that took 600 miles with exclusively tesla supercharger and the range went from 135 to 122 ... the car has 53k miles. And its got more than 13% degradation. Their statement... idk
@slot9 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful! Thank you.
@tibsyy895 Жыл бұрын
Battery charger rage should be counted and advertise as an average charging rate from 10 to 90%!
@Dogman3690 Жыл бұрын
Great video to help Tesla owners have a longer lasting clean, efficient machines when super charging.
@dickhusted6813 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this informative video!
@henryberg2155 5 ай бұрын
I know taxi drivers who has relaced their battery twice before 100k because of super charger
@gordonn4915 Жыл бұрын
Is there data on low use? I only drive 5k miles a year and the car would be plugged in level 2 for a week per use.
@Diy_Papi Жыл бұрын
Love the contact brother appreciate it
@thirsty3333 2 ай бұрын
18 % range loss for me with 256k miles on a p85D MS 😢
@alymcdonalds Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
@garyrooksby 6 ай бұрын
Fabulous facts rather than FUD
@chrisraper6181 Жыл бұрын
I've heard someone say that for NMC Tesla batteries, they can be charged to 100% with negligible damage as long as the batteries are not left in this condition overnight or longer. In other words, what matters is the time spent at high levels of charge, not simply reaching a high state of charge. Is this credible advice? Also, is the same true for low states of charge (less than 20%)?
@w0ttheh3ll Жыл бұрын
both staying at high states of charge and charging to high states of charge lead to faster degradation via separate mechanisms.
@essentials1016 Жыл бұрын
ALL Lithium Batteries dont like being charged over 80%. If you still do charge them over 80% often you will get high degradation.
@Jeddin Жыл бұрын
You alluded to all of this but I think it’s worth reiterating that if you are going to supercharge, you should try to avoid super charging while it’s too hot too cold or above 80% SOC. There’s a reason that Ford and other manufacturers severely throttle DC fast charging above 80% and that’s to preserve battery longevity.
@Johnny2Feathers Жыл бұрын
Tesla’s have always adjusted charging speeds throughout the entire charge curve and the only ev’s I know that precondition the battery on its way to supercharger using navigation so it’s at the optimal charging condition when you arrive.
@terenceiutzi4003 Жыл бұрын
And tesla is the company that uses 40 year out of date Lithium ion batteries
@Johnny2Feathers Жыл бұрын
@@terenceiutzi4003 boy you people just love bad information. Try Teslas have the best and most advanced battery chemistries of all evs. Hence the both the most power and range per kilowatt.
@carholic-sz3qv 11 ай бұрын
@@Johnny2Feathersno they donot lol!!!
@Johnny2Feathers 11 ай бұрын
@@carholic-sz3qv yes they do
@MrStlover99 Жыл бұрын
My model y now takes 1 hour 40 minutes to charge from 20% to 90%
@gudmgu 9 ай бұрын
Thanks
@babaluto Жыл бұрын
Interesting that there was no mention of the very different charging characteristics between the NMC vs the LFP. The LFP do not need charge throttling and can be fast charged to 100% without degradation unlike the NMC which need throttling to avoid degradation. A BMS difference is the LFP cannot be balanced until they reach 96-97% SOC unlike the NMC which can be balanced at any SOC. The NMC packs are much more conducive to fast charging, meaning you can take up much more KWHs during a charging session, giving you much more effective range between charges while on a long trip. Tesla has recommended maintaining battery packs between 30-80% for long term optimum health with the NMC. Where the LFP are not degraded by 0-100% usage, thereby giving a much more useable range for the same size pack. Of course the trade offs have been energy density but that's about it. With a significant lower cost and nearly three times the longevity, increased safety, seems like a no brainer. Cheers.
@mifino Жыл бұрын
Any source? I'm having hard time finding reliable sources on information regarding degradation of LFP during supercharging
@babaluto Жыл бұрын
@@mifino That is a very good question regarding supercharging. Of which I cannot directly refer to any documentation. What I can say is LFPs are normally rated at 1C, which means that version will charge from 0-100% in one hour. I have seen higher charge rates in smaller cylindrical formats like the 32650 LFP rated at 2C. These were used in electric buses and made by A123 Systems. The main limiting factor in charging is thermal management and being that LFP batteries have a significantly lower internal resistance, there is less cause for heat. I'm sure I'm missing some points on this but I hope this helps.
@atifkm09 7 ай бұрын
Hi, What is your opinion to charge NMC battery with level 3 charger at home.
@babaluto 7 ай бұрын
@@atifkm09unless specifically stated, LFP cells are 1C.
@atifkm09 7 ай бұрын
@babaluto sorry i just bought a car today and not sure what you meant by 1C. Would you explain is it better to install level 3 charger or use 220v or 110V comes with it. Mine is NMC battery.
@christophersmith5303 8 ай бұрын
I know this is an older video, but given that all EV's will now be able to access the Tesla superchargers how is this going to impact non-Tesla EV's which do not have the "institutional knowledge" of Tesla or their BMS?
@georgesackinger2002 Жыл бұрын
Big subject and very complicated. Nice job of reporting.
@djtommy1227 4 ай бұрын
X owner 99.9% supercharge keep battery range 30-90% 8yrs still great.
@cesardelgado6100 Жыл бұрын
Very helpfull thank t You..👍🏻
@clarklittle2098 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@andrewt9204 Жыл бұрын
Another channel where he only supercharged while running an Uber service had his battery die at about 150K miles. He said he never plugged into AC power one time though. Plugging into AC power and charging to 100% every so often performs a top balance of the pack, which is important on a pack with so many cells. I'm sure he could have gotten another 100K out of it if he could have AC charged for several hours just once a month or so. Well, as long as it was due to heavy cell imbalance, and not a faulty pack, which I don't think it was if it went that far already. I don't know if the car performs active balancing if you leave it plugged in below a 100% target, but would be good if it did. It won't be perfect, but far better than nothing. I mostly AC charge and leave my target at 85% in winter, 75% in summer. Then once every few months I set it to 100% for a night and let it do its thing. So far I have ~4-5% degradation after 30K miles. So looks like I should be on track to be in the average degradation curve.
@nakatran Жыл бұрын
my Tesla model 3 - 3 months old tesla 100 range decreased from 439km to 436km after 1 month using DC charging - not very fast - 21KWH. is it a bad signal? i use it to top up my tesla daily - 50km per day
@pogo1140 Жыл бұрын
So what kind of battery degradation at 45,052 miles/year 20-26 supercharger/fast charger sessions per month? looking at my annual mileage that Tesla battery warranty expires by year 3.
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 Жыл бұрын
🤗👍THANKS JON , FOR HELPING SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT 💚💚💚
@101rotarypower Жыл бұрын
Average capacity and retention, why does the Y and 3 diverge? Any underlying reason, seems like the S and X would be analogous extrapolation, yet the loss is inverted.
@Cleanerwatt Жыл бұрын
My guess is when they grade battery cells (based on performance characteristics) the Model Y may receive the higher grade cells? This is just a wild guess, so others please share your opinion on this.
@101rotarypower Жыл бұрын
@@Cleanerwatt Really good topic, would love more clear deep dives on this topic, lot of hearsay and noise to juggle. Anything to help clarify or quantify what things amplify degradation and how to optimize "normal use" if only to understand and potentially make better decisions. If possible, Expanding on environmental temperature, and understanding if its "strictly" when charging, or at SOC+time VS temperature , or charge rate VS environmental temperature. Read people are seeing/reporting a noticeable reduction in degradation in "temperate areas" , not sure if that is purely due to charging, SOC, or other less clear factors. One thing seems clear, temperature the vehicle is operated in seems to have a noticeable effect, but not clear where it matters most, or if there are any 1:1 comparisons that can be made to clarify why.
@EinzigfreierName Жыл бұрын
I think it's really strange that Model X should have so much higher degradation compared to Model S. Unless there's a very good explanation for this, this makes me question the credibility of that data.
@marc-andreravioli1379 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on charging NMC batteries to 80% daily vs 90 and 100% daily? Curious about this
@marc-andreravioli1379 Жыл бұрын
Probably harder to get this data though. And perhaps it wouldn’t be as interesting to most people. But I’m curious about it since I travel long distances a lot. So charging to 80 or 90% goes through my head a lot every time I plug in at a 7 or 11 kw ChargePoint while traveling
@Cleanerwatt Жыл бұрын
Much harder at this time - but it will be a great topic in the future!
@heinzbongwasser2715 Жыл бұрын
Is the background really your room? Looks very nice....
@thebayareakidsclub Жыл бұрын
digging the empty apartment vibe
@raffiboi22 Жыл бұрын
I purchased a Tesla model three performance last October. I rarely fast charge as I have a Tesla charger at work… only charge up to 90%… 90% at time of delivery was 283 miles now 90% range is from 251 miles to 255 miles… That’s a big drop in just one year and two months…is this something to worry about?
@Grandmasterjord Жыл бұрын
Try recalibrating the battery by discharging until around 10-15% and then charging it all the way up to 100%. Apparently Tesla recommends that for early degradation issues as it might be a bug in the calibration.
@junyaojiang1984 8 ай бұрын
Hi, that is very helpful. Recently I got long range model y 2023 for Uber delivery, but I have to use supercharger all the time every day. So what is the good supercharging habit for my car, should I wait unit the battery around 20% or 30% and to 80%?
@0721dessertwillow 4 ай бұрын
Hey have you found a charging pattern that works for you. I also do food delivery and was thinking about getting a Tesla. Thx
@johannesdolch 6 ай бұрын
Dont forget that Tesla also has a mission: To replace ICE cars as fast as possible. Every Battery Pack that needs to be replaced means that replacement pack cannot be put in a new car.
@PersonalUseChannel 11 ай бұрын
Tesla's claim on the range is very wrong on LR. 1st year of driving, no matter where you charge you'll lose about 10~20 miles of range. After 1 year later, you'll see the degradation slows down. So if Tesla claims that it has 347 miles on a full charge, the actual range is probably around 320.
@ShadowOfAchilles 27 күн бұрын
Answer is: No.
@jasonfranciosa Жыл бұрын
Interesting that the Model 3 RWD with LFP packs has a faster charge rate than the 2170's.
@samuelprice538 Жыл бұрын
The graph was slightly misleading as it wasn't normalised for battery size. A bigger battery can take higher charge rate than a smaller one.
@jasonfranciosa Жыл бұрын
@@samuelprice538 No it's not, The graph shows "c" rate. C rate is regardless of pack size. The LFP Battery has a higher C rate (Charge rate) than the non LFP. You will get more miles per minute into the pack on average according to that chart. Add in the fact that the RWD Model is significantly more efficient than the AWD models and you get quite an advantage.
@samuelprice538 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonfranciosa sorry I thought you were talking about this graph. kzfaq.infoUgkxbPUsJlqCwUWPTV1scCnzzBMe0wyL7J3s
@jasonfranciosa Жыл бұрын
@@samuelprice538 No, the Charging power graph. The other graph is hard to tell, the C-Rate is what matters for how quickly a battery charges. Combined with the faster charge rate and better efficiency, There's many scenarios where the RWD will get you to a destination faster than a LR model.
@trumplostlol3007 Жыл бұрын
The high charging current is bad for lithium ion batteries. Besides, state of capacity, you have also charging efficiency, and discharging efficiency. Your battery will lose its maximum capacity over time. It will be charged slower using more electricity to charge and delivering less electricity making your car lose in power and run shorter mileage. SOH is only about battery capacity. You car may need to charge much longer using up more electricity and can run much shorter distance. So, by the end of 100,000 miles will be pretty bad if you are in either hot or cold areas.
@epcalderhead Жыл бұрын
I wonder if *how* you Supercharge makes a difference? While this is only one data point, I find it worth considering. One Model 3 owner showed a video with his car at 130k miles on an early LR RWD Model 3 (just under 12k VIN). He had to charge to 100% and showed 303 miles of range. He Supercharges 98% of the time as he crisscrosses America, but stays between 70-30% SOC whenever possible, unless range needs dictate otherwise. He’ll charge to 100% if needed and go to 0% if that’s the only option. He pointed out in another video his car showed 310 miles of range when new and he never saw any of the range bumps to 325 miles from software updates. I also have a LR RWD, a 2019 model, but it only has 24k on the odometer. Looking at my stats via ScanMyTesla, 63% of my charging has been L2 and 37% has been L3 because this is our road trip car. My car sits from 30-50% SOC between trips and is charged to whatever is needed. Locally that often is only to 60%. My goal too is to stay between 70-30% SOC as much as possible. As of this comment my car is still showing 310 miles of rated range. I did get the software bump to 325 miles. Analyzing a recent road 3k mile road trip with data from TeslaMate, it showed I was able to stay in the 70-30% SOC range for the entire trip except for 7 times I dipped below 30% SOC and 5 times I went above 70% SOC, with the highest level being 86%. The lowest was 16% SOC.
@FiDelZarlar Жыл бұрын
🙏
@hunternewberry5860 Жыл бұрын
why in the hell would a tesla owner care about other EV'degradation
@harveypaxton1232 Жыл бұрын
If they were so good then TESLA would make all their chargers fast chargers.
@waynerussell6401 Жыл бұрын
IMPORTANT - calculation of degradation is a difficult and time-consuming task. You cannot just read it off the BMS system. Which means all the reportage is faulty! ONLY full charging and discharging on a level circuit at a steady moderate speed without stops will do it. Take Bjorn's advice:- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obOYa6yWkpO8aHk.html
@navisnow714 Жыл бұрын
my car took a shit after 80k miles had to buy another batt and they absolutely couldn't care less, they even asked me if i wanted to tow my car😡 i was quite mad when they said that like F YOU TESLA!!!
@cazu2479 Жыл бұрын
😂
@dyeace Жыл бұрын
User error
@lazziebardakos2956 6 ай бұрын
I would not believe anything that Tesla suggests. They will obviously prefer you charge your car on their network rather than at home. It's all about the $$$
@mortentefre7760 Жыл бұрын
According to Teslabjørn it seems Teslas have more unused battery capacity than others. That must be a factor.
@carholic-sz3qv 11 ай бұрын
Wrong!!!! That's totally false!!! Many manufacturers have much bigger buffer than tesla
@curtis4176 Жыл бұрын
Why don’t you have any furniture?
@JensSchraeder Жыл бұрын
I love how these fanboys think that somehow think Tesla batteries somehow circumvent the laws of physics
@jasonbroom7147 Жыл бұрын
The faster you charge a battery, the faster your battery suffers degradation of capacity. Yes, the BMS can mitigate the rate of degradation, but it cannot change the fact that, all other things being equal, charging more slowly increases the life-cycle of NMC batteries, and really all battery chemistries. The Tessie data is not what I would consider accurate or legitimate, given that it conflicts with so many other data points, and flies in the face of documented science.
@curo77dabbler18 Жыл бұрын
There you go again, trying to feed us with your FUD snake-oil.
@MadmaxMusic93 Жыл бұрын
The battery degradation does Happen when you regularly charge it supercharging it!!! Today i charged it an lost another mile... Tesla n elon musk are lying, this is a user that has ahd the car for over a year now
@MadmaxMusic93 Жыл бұрын
Want a simple answer Yes it does, from tesla directly you use supercharging daily it will ruin a battery very very quick 272 now down to 269 I only just under 3,000 miles on my car, it absolutely destroys your battery regularly charging it like that
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