This one's actually the FIRST video of Andrew's I ever saw, and from it hooked subscriber. I don't have an addictive personality, but it's crazy how much I look forward to each new one. At first I though it was just my interest in utility and heavy equipment, but NOPE... just the appeal of Andrew's brand/style.

I agree, so much talent as a videographer, never mind the stuff he does for a living.

@@yurapishwall621 Only words, but we can do better.

Amazing video production with ingenuity & how to alli in one~ I've been lost & mesmerized in this rabbit hole.... keepem coming

agreed!

Thanks.

I have to agree, Andrew is exceptional at explaining what he's doing for a wide audience. The camera footage and editing are always good but this was better than usual and the local knowledge and historical background make this the best video I've seen from him so far. But I still have quite a few more to watch as I work through his back catalogue :)

@@AndrewCamarata Are they going to put a hydro in here? It would seem like an obvious thing there should be some green fund that would finance this. My complete amateur guess would be quite a few mega watts that would save building a lot of windmills or solar farms and it wouldn't rely on the elements.

they are all hardwood trees, surface root trees. No tap roots

I was going to say the same thing, it amazing that a strong wind didn’t blow them over

@@stephendoing2253 i imagine the saw mill would be down in a valley where wind would be less of an issue

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Xlnt vid Andrew. You're a master cleaner outer. You should follow up n see what they do with it. Thanks.

That normally runs $50 million, but their budget was only $500. Andrew made it work: "Eh it looks a little crazy but it'll be fine."

That was the one that came with all the free beavers, what a great video.

@@deeplyclosetedindividual And it's good as new.

lmao

Free money ;)

lets get this history right! the real reason nys has the cheapest hydro is because canada exports hydro to nys very cheap {below cost} because we have a surplus do you remember the black out of 2003 look it up on google how about thank you CANADA for a change trump

@@susannad27 While you are championing Canada and blaming Trump, please re-read the OP's statement. It was about one town in NYS, not all of NYS which you are ranting about. Reading is fundamental.

@@davidpippin3460 Yes that is correct, she is no doubt a misguided Trump hater, hoping to blame anything and everything on him. A true patriot of the dark side.

@@susannad27 Read the entire post before inserting foot in mouth. I must say you did a fantastic job of the aforementioned. Wells, N.Y. not N.Y. State, and Canada, had nothing to do with it.

From your description it sounds like Wells has a municipal power company. They have, again from your description, an exclusive source of cheap hydropower. They likely have a very high capacity factor on their own power project, avoiding purchases outside their own municipal control. Cool. They could add a diesel generator to back something up the hydropower that has a great capacity factor. BTW. There is a LOT of pressure from NGOs, "Environmental groups" like NRDC to shut down Indian Point, which should increase Natural gas sales, and dramatically raise rates across the lower Hudson region. NRDC, Riverkeepers (Hudson), Sierra club, FOE, and others are basically marketing arms for Oil and Gas interests. Shutting down Indian point is a prerequisite for opening up the New York portion of the Marcellus Shale. Indian Point at above 1 GWatt and a capacity factor of about 95%. It generates too much electrical energy to warrant flooding NYC and the lower Hudson with the Natural Gas that could replace it, hence the pressure to close Indian Point. Gas interests are confident, however, that it will be done; They're already building the gas plants that will be necessary once Indian Point is shut down. (I'm not connected to Indian point. I grew up on the Racquette River (Potsdam NY) in which the run of the river from Stark Reservoir to the Sugar Island powerhouse could generate about 120MW as it "fell" from the Adirondack plateau down through to the Saint Lawrence Valley. (Another beautiful place).

its his presentation and Cadence i think.

@@markivan5324 Who's Candace?

Yeah it is, there is a spot near where I live that was a huge mining community of thousands and now if you drive through you can't see any of the foundations unless you know where they are because it is so over grown. This was in 100 years. Not long in terms of the planet's age.

I've read a few times that if humans disappeared tomorrow, in about 1000 years with the exception of larger cities, you'd never be able to even tell that people lived in most rural areas. 10K years, most smaller towns would be pretty much erased. Our largest cities will remain for tens of thousands of years, especially buildings clad in stainless steel and other very long-lasting materials. Our plastics will be here for a loooong time.

@@racerex340 I think you are grossly underestimating nature. 10K years to erase small towns?! Try a couple hundred years.

@@AZ-kr6ff I mean foundations, concrete, stone, iron structures. The forest will reclaim a town in 40-50 years but you'll still have structures

@@racerex340 Whatever you say.

I agree with you. We don't do practical anymore. We now rely on decision based on "box checking" environmental approval. Sadly disapointing...

Not unless it will service 10 million customers.

no way any of this is servicable... did you see the end of the video? 27:17 - the river-side portion of the "foundation" is literally banded together with some sort of miller-lite drinking, ducttape fixing yankee inginuity bullshit lol

@@konanoobiemaster It is an economy of scale issue. The construction and maintenance costs for a big power plant are higher than a small plant but the output is much much higher, making the cost per unit less than a small plant The small plant can't compete. The big plant can spread the cost over many units of electricity. Even if it appears everything is in place here, the maintenance and operational costs are brutal. This country was littered with steels mills that were intact but the operational costs were too high and they were knocked down. Their issue wasn't a lack of scale but I am just making the point that these plants were intact and still knocked down... they couldn't compete. This isn't a liberal versus conservative issue. Some posters are blaming liberals. Actually, rebuilding this is probably something a stereotypical liberal would want..... damn the costs, it's green, let's do it. I worked in a gas fired turbine, power plant. The power business is complex, involving futures trading, hedging, modeling, etc. Off on a bit of a tangent now, but oil is another area that isn't what it appears to be. Everyone was pushing for drilling everywhere to depend less on the Middle East. Well, we are drilling everywhere, and we are also the number 3 oil exporter in the world... and still importing oil. It is a high tech, high finance game and the public bought into the BS.

@@bg147 what in the ever-loving **** are you talking about

and finish with "alright let's go do something else"

Yeah, they had some ambitious plans for the site. I don't think anything else has happened lately though.

Andrew Camarata I’d love to go back and see it again, it’s been a few years. I really enjoyed seeing the drone angles in this video! A really cool new perspective than what I’m used to seeing

@@AndrewCamarata i'm guessing it went quiet after the engineer came took one look at those 100 year old foundations and told them it would be bonkers to put anything on top of that

Got pretty close a couple of times, to that wire above the dam though! :)

they might yet ! you need to keep a 20 buffer from waterways and berm with straw. if I were you I`d take down this video ! I get screw all the time here on staten island ! also not worth working anymore !

It's NY, everything is wetlands.

Mike Rom uhh Ggjjh

Haha! David Attenborough. I love it. True, though.

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I saw an old post card of the mill in Saugherties, NY, and it looks like that coal bin was the base of at least a two story building. The mill was abandoned in 1973.

55 E. Bridge St., Saugerties, NY

It’s still near Kingston, New York.

EPA would like small scale hydro. If it is privately owned land and there isn't a ton of water rights bs in the way, there would be little permission needed.

Yes, nothing is permanent. I often wonder what is buried in the past, deep down where we'll never find it.

Rusty Stuff That a big 10/4

probbly wishing had a kubota svl 75-2 or svl 90-2 skid steer wich they have more lifting compasity and sterdy units

Jeff Gannon well if you think about it Jeff the tree roots have to hold the tree in the ground with all that weight on top blowing around all the time

I think about it every day when I’m digging them out. They are tremendously strong. These trees he took out couldn’t even get a normal bite through the concrete and they were still a pain.

yeah my buddy old bob cat has hard time biting through concrete but now he bought a brand new $48,000 kubota svl with forks and buckets and it worked like a hulk shes that powerful svl75-2 a 75.2hp

Michael Mac Tavish our company bought the same one but we got ours for 46k

oh great, i just found out i have ocd

@@murph55 no. No you haven't.

Everyone just has OCD because it is hyped

Sort of work i love, so looking forward to an update. excellent work Andrew.

There must be a head of at least the height of the falls since the canal shortcuts the bend in the river that contains the falls. Whether that's enough to generate meaningful power I don't know, however. It might not be a big enough canal to divert the flow of water required, regardless of the head. Would be interesting to know though.

DEFINATELY NEED AN UPDATE ON THE SITE

looking at google maps, it dosnt look like anything has changed since this job

@@zakokiller Thanks so much! Appreciate it!

@@zakokiller www.google.com/maps/place/42%C2%B004'20.2%22N+73%C2%B056'43.0%22W/@42.07229,-73.9458222,102m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89dda72f6b551f4f:0x8f0d32b7ba8e2714!2s55+E+Bridge+St,+Saugerties,+NY+12477!3b1!8m2!3d42.0714652!4d-73.9464067!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d42.0722901!4d-73.9452746

They’ve actually done a little more stuff there, they are trying to set up some kind of public space there but it’s not ready yet

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Water rights.. environmental impact studies.. risk of that entire creepy complex collapsing etc... LOL

It's NY State. Fugetabout it.

Same. I tried searching for it, but couldn't find any videos mentioning mill, coal or park.

@@ChadAmI80 If only he could make some playlist or somethong....

diamond mills co saugerties look it up its a hotel complex now apparently.

find a job you love and you wont work a day in your life. or something like that.

Probably about 30 feet or more buried.

Thanks

Pelton was considered by the upstream dam and hotel owner. Last I understood the dam was never inspected when it was built placing it in the 'does not meet current code' category.

Old infrastructure is usually worse than a fresh site when it comes to an industrial building. It usually takes more investment not less.

The old 'canal' was also a functional fish ladder. No more.

How much do you get paid in your job, Mookie Man? Who discusses that sort of thing? Jesus...

LOL! Yes, now spiders, rats, bats, and grapples come to mind.

Yes so true , if vermin were chewed up in the turbine then they would still complain, sad state of affairs, many more get run over on the roads.

I believe turbine style hydroelectric power plants are high pressure and would be a problem but there are many other low head pressure slow moving ways of generating electricity that you could literally swim through and be fine. This doesn't address all the other red tape issues surrounding an idea like this.

Dan Burch: I used your minnow example in a comment above, because it reminded me of environmental insanity. Here's a copy of my message posted above on July 22, 2018..... "Dan Burch mentioned the snail darter [minnow] in a comment below which reminded me of the difficulties in getting anything done close to environmental issues. During the mid-1980's I lived on the lower west side of Manhattan where the federal government had offered millions of dollars to NYC & Port Authority to build an underground west side highway. There was a deadline for accepting funds, but environmental groups blocked the project due to the endangered snail darter. The deadline passed, and NYC never got their millions. Eventually a much reduced plan was passed, and the old west side highway was rebuilt without huge federal support. Before the deadline I met with the Port Authority to study the proposed plans. At that time and before any shovel hit earth, hundreds of thousands were spent on project development which all became an enormous waste due to the snail darter and environmental obstructionists. This is an example of the difficulty related to building a hydroelectric plant. It's not right, but it's today's reality throughout the country."

Thanks. And the delays adds millions to the cost of getting any project done. Mother Nature has a hand in environmental impacts. The recent volcano in Hawaii wiped out all Nānāwale haʻiwale (Cyrtandra nanawaleensis) and Hilo Ischaemum (Ischaemum byrone) plants and are forever lost. I guess environmental groups will sue to get Hawaii to spend millions to find a way to re-establish the plants. This year, environmental groups have done their best to keep an automobile manufacturing plant from being built in Alabama to protect a pigmy sunfish and sacrifice up to 4000 jobs.

Dan Burch: Yes. Maybe I'm way old-school, but environmental groups and today's ultra-PC are helping to ruin the country I love. Being politically correct prevents direct, meaningful, concise and understandable discussion. PC also results in meaningless arguments where people focus on emotions rather than actual issues.