Had the exact same experience. It's almost like you're actually Arthur, watching a man you love and trust just lose his mind. You try not to hate him when it starts happening but then can't help it

Same. I knew absolutely nothing about the story of RDR1 before playing RDR2 and it's still incredible to me that the writers could write a character then 8 years later, write that same character in a prequel that both expands on the character and connects seamlessly to how that character was originally portrayed.

​@@connorchavez5584 I couldn´t get myself to hate Dutch, so the end was pretty painful (but still pure pleasure).

Same Dutch was one of my absolute favorites early on and it killed me to see his downfall as I progressed through the story. I was just hoping that he still could have been saved but sadly that wasn't the case

@@tommydurkin213 I don’t understand the point of your comment

"I'm afraid"

Yes. So much.

@Tree Dude "it's not that I can't work, I don't want to - there's a difference" Uncle just mooned Swanson on my replay. I like him 😂

*immoral.

The perfect plan would have been to lying low and moving places time to time

Yes, but that doesn't actually sound like Dutch. By the end he just wanted to cause as much trouble as possible. He was ever going to leave the country, he had 42,000 by the end of the game​@@amharking345

Emphasis on slowness, Rockstars understand the medium of video games and let their character take their time.

Dutch is evil

Agreed. And in my opinion one of the reasons Micah is so good is becasue he knows he's wrong, but he does it anyway, it's just so badass

Except the Joker😂

Spoken like a true villain. Not falling for your little evil plan Villain.

he is the most well written character in the series and the main focus of it all imo

I always thought that Arthur's death brought home to him how he himself had destroyed his gang. He was smart and savvy enough to know exactly what kind of person Micah was, but as his self-confidence began to flag, and the gang started doubting him (which had started before the beginning of the game) Micah's flattery became like a narcotic he couldn't give up. And just like with addiction, he needed more and more of it, even as his dependence on it eroded his judgement, which caused the gang's confidence to diminish further and further. It was only when he realized that he had lost everything that he realized the cause; Micah. It was losing Arthur that made him open his eyes, and realize what a fool he'd been to trust Micah over Arthur, a fool to pose that question in the first place. It was that question that allowed Micah to destroy everything he built.

He got that saying from Dutch and he went back in his word

I also noticed he is scared of Arthur´s dying and start neglect him, protect himself from the pain.

@@ladypeahen8829 Oh, absolutely. He couldn't handle the emotional weight of real life. In the end, he retreated into his grandiose fantasy of winning against "society," abandoning everyone he once cared about.

"Because he doesn't feel like a villain..." That is exactly how Dutch saw himself. As a matter of fact, this remind me of a quote that goes: "We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions."

I totally agree.

I think his mask just was too hard to keep on. Like Arthur told John, "we ain't the ones who changed". He just showed them his true self - but they still felt live and loyalty towards him.

@@CaseyAvalon I'm on roughly my tenth playthrough and just for the first time saw the camp scene where Micah goes to Dutch full of sycophantic praise. I thought "okay this is Micah manipulating Dutch and how he starts worming his way in". But if you ask Dutch about it afterwards he says that he know what Micah was doing and that Micah needs to be watched. He's definitely not delusional on some level, he has an awareness of other people that makes him more the manipulator than the manipulated. I get that Arthur and John feel betrayed, but of course they would. Arthur does change throughout the story, as does John. They just don't see it in themselves. Perhaps there was a time when all of them would have been loyal to Dutch no matter what. When they realise who Dutch really is, do they realise because they recognise the change in him, or do they simply see him in a new light?

@@aimlessarrow532 the beauty of this game and its ending. So much is left to player interpretation. The theatre of the mind. Personally, I feel Dutch's mask broke under the pressure and he just quit fighting his "nature". There is also a line in Chapter 3 (Clemens Point camp) where you go fishing with him and Hosea. Upon arrival to camp Dutch says "I know I...I mean WE are going to be ok." I see that moment as the first real crack in his mask. Edit: I love this game so much I've played it almost daily since 2018. Everytime I finish the story I immediately start it over.

Imo, considering how many years the gang survived, it's unlikely that noone noticed his mask before. I mean, RDR2 wasn't the first time they had to deal with tough situations, but before 1899 Dutch seemed to be always considered by everyone a great leader. We also have to consider that his mind wasn't healthy, I think he began to go mad years before 1899, as Arthur says in the balloon mission. He has always been selfish and narcisisstic, but I totally disagree with the fact he just used his gang to get glory and honor, he cared for them but then started to see everyone as his enemy and became more and more paranoic. So, yeah, he was a shi**y person in many ways, but if he had someone that really knew how to help him, maybe he would have repented and turned good, unlike Micah that seems totally rotten.

I've known too many narcissists like Dutch in real life haha I didn't trust him from the start. Amazing character, he felt so real and I hated him like I would a actual person

But I think Dutch's notion of freedom was fundamentally self-centered. After all, his freedom to rob the bank took away, say, your freedom to keep your money. What's twisted is that Dutch basically wants the same thing as Leviticus Cornwall, but Cornwall comes from money, so he was able to get it on a larger scale. They say two types of people laugh at the law, those who break it, and those who make it. Powerful capitalists like Cornwall have all the same philosophies about their freedom as Dutch, but while Dutch gets his freedom by defying the law, Cornwall gets it by buying lawmakers off. So Dutch is a wanted man, and Cornwall is a captain of industry. But in both cases, their quest for freedom isn't about freedom for everyone, just for themselves, to do whatever they please, and take whatever they want. And the Cornwalls of the world always win, because they game the system instead of defying it.

I don't think Micah was the main antagonist. Dutch would've fallen with or without him, Micah just hurried the process along.

Woah no it didn’t in my opinion, it amplifies it as it shows that Dutch only likes those with blind loyalty to him, or something like that.

No their were multiple hints that Dutch was always bad and just pretended not to be

@cruizsirk9073 hints like what? Isn't everyone bad tho. They're outlaws

Micah was never that and never wanted to be

@@justice_of_KZfaq well, kind of, I mean they considered themselves as some sort of friends, becasue they need to be since they're in the same gang, but I guess they didn't exactly want to be friends. Especially not arthur, he did not want to be friends with Micah

Amen to that. I almost feel bad for leaving this game on my shelf for a year and a half before giving it a real chance. Let me tell ya, though; once I did give it a chance, it quickly became my all-time favorite game and it still is to this day.

Thanks for checking out the video!

Yes; Micah is the type that would take advantage of someone who has a broken mind.

He'd be living good in a progressive modern city like Los Angeles.

@@sqb2316 How so?

@@johntrevy1 He was woke, hypocritical, narcissistic, manipulative and pretentious. He would thrive in LA. Robin hood for Crackheads.

@@sqb2316 I think he's descend into even more madness tbh, could you imagine him in GTA 5's Los Santos? He'd turn into Trevor lmao

“When I'm gone, they'll just find another monster. They have to because they have to justify their wages.” -Dutch

Thanks!

play more video games i beg u

@@TheVintress nah

if he wasn't retired, Daniel Day-Lewis

Josh Brolin seems like the most fitting of the big names.

No it wasn’t. There’s hints all throughout that Dutch was always somewhat of a bad person and just changed due to circumstances

you think he thought that far into the future? he's too impulsive for the long con. i think him and hosea taking in the boys was one of the few things dutch did out of kindness :/

@@evilmostdefinitely4729 This. If there is anyone who made long term plans it's Micah.

Yeah he a villian in RDR1

Arthur-Protagonist Dutch-Deuteragonist John-Tritagonist

For me, the trolley station and failed bank job in Saint Denis is what really sent Dutch over the edge. Up until that point, Dutch had complete faith in his ability to not only keep the gang together but to lead them to "paradise". When the trolley station job turned out to be a setup, you could just tell how furious Dutch was. It's like for the first time, Dutch's faith had not only failed him but betrayed him. Then with the bank job, Dutch lost Hosea, his oldest friend, as well as Lenny and they were forced to abandon everything and go on the run with their tails tucked between their legs. After that, It was all just downhill from there.

@@teamtx1578 that Really tore the gangs hearts tbh, everyone started having their own doubts about their survival... You're absolutely right

How he betrayed Arthur