Clem makes MARINES look overpowered!

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WinterStarcraft

WinterStarcraft

7 ай бұрын

StarCraft 2 Tournament - ESL SC2 Masters Winter - 2023 Europe Regionals Semi Finals - Clem takes on Reynor with the best Terran vs Zerg micro I have ever seen in 13 years of StarCraft 2.
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@RePatchTTV
@RePatchTTV 7 ай бұрын
Best SC2 caster ever! I drive 3h every day and love listening to these casts! Thanks Winter ❤️
@johncouzens5321
@johncouzens5321 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, but harstem is the captain (my captain)
@lwshien
@lwshien 7 ай бұрын
@@johncouzens5321 nah
@Dudecifer
@Dudecifer 7 ай бұрын
Winter is smart and has a good vocabulary. And he’s funny.
@trout3685
@trout3685 7 ай бұрын
3 hours jeez
@hudsoncaceres6820
@hudsoncaceres6820 7 ай бұрын
You must live in LA
@Blueterran5
@Blueterran5 7 ай бұрын
Clem is just a god damn beast. That was some of the best marine micro I've ever seen. The level of control with both his splits, and the ability to macro MID SPLIT is amazing. Raynor is great just for being able to hold on and tech to vipers and ultralisks consistently, but Clem is the clear star of this series
@Jez4prez1
@Jez4prez1 7 ай бұрын
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd yeah classic antidoctor-cx2jd balance whine like usual. lawl.
@rodolfomarrufo1185
@rodolfomarrufo1185 7 ай бұрын
Reinorr cant even spell reynor, noob agre to
@Santisima_Trinidad
@Santisima_Trinidad 7 ай бұрын
​@@AntiDoctor-cx2jdokay, that one was funny. Good job
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
I find a judge of a good Terran is if they can split vs banes. It's the only micro that is more than moderate effort for a terran player imo Clem is one of very few deserving Terrans in the top spots
@jeffreyrook8073
@jeffreyrook8073 7 ай бұрын
After watching so much WinterStarcraft, there's a lot that impresses me, what with Dark's positioning/strategy and watching Protoss Stalker juggling. But Clem's the only one recently that has me catching myself after the GG, needing to unfurl my brow, lift my jaw, and figure out how to incorporate what I just watched into my understanding of the human condition. Honestly Serrals ability to manage so much with no mistakes is possibly more impressive, but Clem's speed/precision is just so blatantly on display the disgust hits me harder. Humans aren't supposed to be able to do this. 😂
@ddenozor
@ddenozor 7 ай бұрын
I love how Winter has been very consistent with the roleplay he begs for likes for all those videos, but it still doesn't feel boring or cringey.
@Miro_X
@Miro_X 7 ай бұрын
Clem is an absolute micro god. That was absolutely incredible.
@gamertyper6476
@gamertyper6476 7 ай бұрын
The only thing I hate about high level gameplay of any game nowadays is that there is a meta, there is a protocol you must follow if you wanna be the best, there are units and strategies that never get touched because they just aren't as good so it feels like I am watching the same match over and over again.
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
Watch some protoss games, particularly Her0. Since protoss is so unfavored he is constantly mixing up the strategies.
@TheMHB199
@TheMHB199 7 ай бұрын
thats only natural in any competitive environment... people will always find what works, then others will use its, tweak it and so on. its in every sport, esport, hell its even in business etc.
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
@@TheMHB199 I always respected starcraft for having about 5-10 different meta builds that rely on the opponents' builds, it doesn't feel so much like that anymore imo
@TheMHB199
@TheMHB199 7 ай бұрын
@ZatralTMF that's true but I think that's because players have gotten better over time so some strategies that used to work no longer do. Also if people find counter strats then you have to counter the counter if you catch my drift. And so on and so forth until you get wittled down to only a few effective builds.
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
@@TheMHB199 some races still have a ton of different builds, which is a frustrating indicator of race imbalance, but oh well, maybe in time
@destonwong2577
@destonwong2577 7 ай бұрын
Now the meta shows marine marauders medivac mines (4Ms) is the best way to beat zerg.
@Neesmo
@Neesmo 7 ай бұрын
thanks for starting my day off right Winter. Grabbed my coffee and the first thing I get to see is an amazing series, especially with my favourite, Clem!
@jonsolo32
@jonsolo32 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the first person cams. Very interesting to watch.
@jennifer_dreamzzz
@jennifer_dreamzzz 7 ай бұрын
Cannot choose a favourite out of these 2, they're both fun to watch 😍
@Nobunaga1983
@Nobunaga1983 7 ай бұрын
Nice game between the only two races in StarCraft 2
@Nil-js4bf
@Nil-js4bf 7 ай бұрын
My mind was blown when I first saw Clem jump his camera back to his base to macro in the middle of a split years ago. It's still blown when I see it now.
@aidangumby
@aidangumby 7 ай бұрын
Great game, great cast Winter :) 39:03 This to me was the best display of the difference between the old and new cyclone.
@ralekIX
@ralekIX 7 ай бұрын
It's not a Clem vs Raynor game without being reminded how ancient we are.
@Poputrash
@Poputrash 7 ай бұрын
lol kids these days...
@elijahsnow3119
@elijahsnow3119 7 ай бұрын
The French Air Force needs to put Clem in charge of their drone swarm pilot program. Because he’s… not a normal person
@VicoStefan
@VicoStefan 7 ай бұрын
Existential dread was felt indeed xD Nice cast Winter!
@shansra11
@shansra11 7 ай бұрын
Ultralisks are such a joke. Tier 3 units that can’t even manage to attack half the time.
@natecw4164
@natecw4164 7 ай бұрын
They might need to toy with the idea of bringing back that borrowed charge ability from the LotV beta
@enriquegarciacota3914
@enriquegarciacota3914 7 ай бұрын
Someone on Reddit mentioned just changing their priority so that they can “push” non-massive units would probably be enough
@VictorF0326
@VictorF0326 7 ай бұрын
​@@natecw4164I think something ridiculous like gaining +5 armor while charging might make the unit actually not useless
@wolvie90
@wolvie90 7 ай бұрын
Let them wall over small units just like Colossi do.
@motan7864
@motan7864 7 ай бұрын
just increase their range by 1, problem solved
@Nova_Jan
@Nova_Jan 7 ай бұрын
Widow mines are ridiculous
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
Don't worry, they got buffed. Problem solved
@Technoanima
@Technoanima 7 ай бұрын
Wow. I haven't seen the mass marine push since 2017!!!
@ronaldmadrid9929
@ronaldmadrid9929 7 ай бұрын
Best SC2 caster!
@Neesmo
@Neesmo 7 ай бұрын
"a little bit less than professional, a little bit more than casual. Business casual casting" lol, hes the best for sure!
@nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698
@nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698 7 ай бұрын
Speaking for maybe one of the four who still play, hotkeying upgrade tech with hatcheries with zerg and priority going to the hatcheries so I got my larva...this is a very useful tip.
@Redactedlllllllllllll
@Redactedlllllllllllll 7 ай бұрын
That was a beating.
@rvgr12
@rvgr12 7 ай бұрын
Winter is the only KZfaqr who I do not mind clickbaiting me. I see clickbait, I take the bait and click, and I am never disappointed.
@Jackbrick101
@Jackbrick101 7 ай бұрын
14:20 appreciate the tip! Will start doing that.
@PharmaKill
@PharmaKill 7 ай бұрын
I think reynor is suffering an afflictions that plagues (in fact all the players!) and thats not being Serral ! That was so funny!!!
@christopherpumphrey7023
@christopherpumphrey7023 7 ай бұрын
I found this channel a year ago and this is my favorite daily dose of internet.
@NoName-kf1cy
@NoName-kf1cy 7 ай бұрын
I really love your vids so it's my pleasure to like them, I do need the reminder tho so good job helping yourself lol you and lowko are the only two casters I like listening to so nice job!
@michelouellette4295
@michelouellette4295 7 ай бұрын
Winter could cast anything and make it interresting. You are a great caster. This channel should have more views considerinf your talent.❤
@BartixShieldsmen
@BartixShieldsmen 7 ай бұрын
Game 1 felt like Clem was playing Zerg better than the Zerg player, like holy crap that marine stream was endless
@RD-uk6wt
@RD-uk6wt 6 ай бұрын
sc1 + broodwar... 4vs4 mucho maps as kid with modem. never forget that. never get the feeling back.
@SirJohny5
@SirJohny5 7 ай бұрын
Lol the thumb nail got me. Had to drop a like lol gg winter.
@mtg9587
@mtg9587 7 ай бұрын
The ClemCam was epic and I wish we had a ReynorCam in game 2 when he was fighting incursions on every side. Otherwise, truly an epic cast
@getoffthegames89
@getoffthegames89 7 ай бұрын
I think reynor was missing injects and didn’t have larva to spend on those extra Zerglings he could have bought with the 400 ish mins he was floating when the pressure was on him. That’s what it felt like the big diff between his games and serrals seemed like to me. But idk
@DelawareBrooks
@DelawareBrooks 7 ай бұрын
The Clem and Raynor cams look even more impressive when you watch the video's in double speed like I do.
@darwinfiss8544
@darwinfiss8544 7 ай бұрын
lmaoooo "'15 minutes in, we wouldve just started building units in age of empires!"
@natecw4164
@natecw4164 7 ай бұрын
Innovation level parade push with MKP level of micro, my god
@767ACooper
@767ACooper 7 ай бұрын
the new style is so beautiful
@taesonslane2513
@taesonslane2513 7 ай бұрын
Hey Winter, you are the only caster I listen to. You are the sole reason I got back into starcraft after a decade hiatus. Thank you.
@benc.1197
@benc.1197 7 ай бұрын
I've never seen Winter mind blown by micro before. 😂
@leafykille
@leafykille 7 ай бұрын
Marines microed well enough counter almost everything. It's very rare to see but it really does break game balance at this crazy high level. Also Clem has been on fire lately!
@taesonslane2513
@taesonslane2513 7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I truly miss when mass muta could actually trade okay. Now days it's instant death.
@sebastiankrutschoff842
@sebastiankrutschoff842 7 ай бұрын
"Which Clem has not yet reached." The type of sentence that gets me laughing and a huge reason I enjoy the casts. Best in your craft imho
@Ryanstudent87
@Ryanstudent87 7 ай бұрын
"For the four of you that are watching (that still play)..."😂
@____GoMeZ____
@____GoMeZ____ 7 ай бұрын
Winter you’re not wrong. The level of play in these series is something we’ve never seen before. The splits, the constant pressure, the high level defense from Reynor. They both played incredible, but Clem has ascended to next level Terran
@alexCh-ln2gw
@alexCh-ln2gw 7 ай бұрын
wrong. Banelings have descended to next level nerf. that is all.
@____GoMeZ____
@____GoMeZ____ 7 ай бұрын
@@alexCh-ln2gw damn, thats true
@vox5505
@vox5505 7 ай бұрын
You really think Clem just suddenly skyrocketed in skill...? So, it's just a coincidence that the player who's been spamming Marine+Mine his entire career just happened to start winning every TvZ against Zergs that have been beating him handily up until this point.... At the exact same time that all zerg counterplay to Marine+Mine until TIER THREE got nerfed to oblivion in the least popular-patch in a decade....? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
@sh0bohoso280
@sh0bohoso280 7 ай бұрын
​​@@vox5505Wrong, Clem always has been known for his tvz. He won 4 esl by dominating Seral and reynor
@sh0bohoso280
@sh0bohoso280 7 ай бұрын
​@@vox5505and mines are that good only under Clem's micro
@oscarblack7624
@oscarblack7624 6 ай бұрын
Love these intros mate.❤
@jonsolo32
@jonsolo32 7 ай бұрын
Raynor just met his Terran equivalent.
@jonsolo32
@jonsolo32 7 ай бұрын
Clem is a monster. Wow.
@ashleyalexander7388
@ashleyalexander7388 7 ай бұрын
What a monster... shocking.
@Pyriin
@Pyriin 7 ай бұрын
Clem is singlehandedly showing the world France is not just bagettes and croissants
@bundlesofun9568
@bundlesofun9568 7 ай бұрын
The affliction of "not being Serral" 😂😂😂😂😂
@cathulionetharn5139
@cathulionetharn5139 7 ай бұрын
Thank You Om nom nom
@maykdalion
@maykdalion 7 ай бұрын
bro most SC2 replays I play @ 1.5 speed. Been so long since I needed to use x1 speed for papa Clem.
@BuMBLB23
@BuMBLB23 7 ай бұрын
The Italian stallion!!
@pogiman
@pogiman 7 ай бұрын
28:49 Like and Subscribe if you felt a little bit of existential dread
@RedHoodRubyRose
@RedHoodRubyRose 7 ай бұрын
Haven't seen Raynor being casted in a long time.
@sh0bohoso280
@sh0bohoso280 7 ай бұрын
He slowed down sc2
@jeronimosuarez7957
@jeronimosuarez7957 7 ай бұрын
28:41 would you stop that old man talk Winter!? Not that we wouldn't like you anyways.
@GotEmAll1337
@GotEmAll1337 7 ай бұрын
The attention and skill needed to successfully use mines is several orders of magnitude lower than the attention and skill needed to safely deal with them. That combined with their insane cost effectiveness and then paired with marines, the objectively best unit in the game...it's just simply an unfair fight.
@SomeUnsoberIdiot
@SomeUnsoberIdiot 7 ай бұрын
lol no
@Jez4prez1
@Jez4prez1 7 ай бұрын
that applies to most units u donkey kong. Carriers, lurkers, siege tanks, colossus, tempest, battlecruisers, DT's, Ultra's, Templar, infestors, etc etc, all require several orders lower attention and skill to use them than needed to safely deal with them. I can go on and on but you should get the point by now. Marines are objectively the most micro intensive unit in the game also (if you want to use them cost effectively). To be cost effective they require high APM (both offensively and defensively), and constant harass / multi-prong, as they are very tempo / momentum based. They suck (or die very easily) vs many unit comps also. It's like you don't even play the game you nub. Go play as Random. Hopefully that will make you stop being a whiner. Or if you think Marines are so OP then just stfu and play as a Terran, and watch as you get smoked once you get to like diamond up. But yea we know all this balance whine doesn't apply to 99.9% of sc2 players anyhow since they're all too low level, balance is based almost entirely on the pro scene.
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
And to deal with that, they buffed widow mines and nerfed banes
@Jez4prez1
@Jez4prez1 7 ай бұрын
@@ZatralTMF Yeah, the balance council know what they're doing. Who TF are you?
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
@@Jez4prez1 I'm just someone who can read numbers and see how one-sided they are and observes from the general community and professional sentiment that widowmine buff was hypocritical considering it performs the recently nerfed baneling's job, but better in every way. It's not a difficult concept to understand. Thanks for asking, though 👍
@weaponizedemoticon1131
@weaponizedemoticon1131 7 ай бұрын
That was a top tier transition into the "beg for likes and subscribes."
@godofmonster7405
@godofmonster7405 5 ай бұрын
Seem like Clem second army very strong so while his firrst army being destroyed, his enemy's base also being destroyed
@ferologics
@ferologics 7 ай бұрын
game 3 is what happens to clem when he’s going all in
@rarebabysteaks8041
@rarebabysteaks8041 7 ай бұрын
CLEM MAH BOI
@empirate100
@empirate100 6 ай бұрын
I just gave this video its 3,000th like exactly, on its 51,967th view. That's one like in each 17 views. I think that speaks for itself. Love your work, Winter, keep it up! Just amazing casting year after year.
@asdfasdf-mn8iu
@asdfasdf-mn8iu 5 ай бұрын
I feel like these games with clem building so many marines and banes not being enough to counter them anymore (most of the time) is a good testament to the bane nerf being a bit too much. It's not like T does not have all the other tools too.
@nohbodhi1120
@nohbodhi1120 7 ай бұрын
do cyclones prioritize air? if so that might be why clem builds them for anti viper??
@MultiBraner
@MultiBraner 7 ай бұрын
i like this sir winter
@RogerTheWall
@RogerTheWall 7 ай бұрын
It's funny, clem on game 4 was losing all the momentum because he was rallying the tank just like widow mine
@zeifenar8248
@zeifenar8248 7 ай бұрын
Kinda need hydras for mines/drops at this level
@zetekfr
@zetekfr 7 ай бұрын
GG Clem, next time the same against Serral !
@sendicard
@sendicard 7 ай бұрын
I really like his "Like and subscribe" thing. Because I very frequently forget, and he reminds me. And I know most people probably hate it but I like how it makes it a bit quirky.
@ElmokillaXDK
@ElmokillaXDK 7 ай бұрын
Are we sure clem isn't just a cyborg because goddamm his micro
@wgacrazy8245
@wgacrazy8245 7 ай бұрын
There should be a special when Winter will ask for 1,200 likes in some videos. Perhaps some memorable Like-requests should also be shown. 😁
@user-vd3bh5lb1r
@user-vd3bh5lb1r 7 ай бұрын
There should be a special where we the community step up to the plate. We get him not just one like, not just one and a half likes, not even the lofty and frightening heights of one and there quarters likes, No. We make history, and we ask. for TWO LIKES MORE THAN YESTERADAY. WHO'S WITH ME!
@taesonslane2513
@taesonslane2513 7 ай бұрын
I wish protoss was usable at the pro level
@nmgaro2156
@nmgaro2156 7 ай бұрын
1 match was insane speed, like AI micro level
@ryanjuguilon213
@ryanjuguilon213 7 ай бұрын
What's micro going to do with you have overwhelming zerg swarm!!
@Klerafukan
@Klerafukan 7 ай бұрын
Easy to follow, how true.
@CorruptorPeste
@CorruptorPeste 7 ай бұрын
Reynor`s mistake is not playing terran
@vigierjean4543
@vigierjean4543 7 ай бұрын
yeah it's true
@ZatralTMF
@ZatralTMF 7 ай бұрын
That is the end goal of the "balance patches" that come out lol. Push out any viability of other races so the game is pure tvt
@invisuu6280
@invisuu6280 7 ай бұрын
Man I was rooting for Clem, and even I was like can you just f off with the attacks for 1 second, this is exhausting just to watch during that second game.
@coololi07
@coololi07 7 ай бұрын
i kinda miss the spoiler free bonus games. hard to see clem losing that one anyway
@NoName-kf1cy
@NoName-kf1cy 7 ай бұрын
And your sarcasm is perfect lol
@nicob6802
@nicob6802 7 ай бұрын
"Clem, you disgusting, magnificent terran you" -Winter said calmly
@kyungsunjorr
@kyungsunjorr 7 ай бұрын
One of the most unfair series I've ever witnessed Reynor lose in. My God. Clem. So sick.
@PayKay96
@PayKay96 7 ай бұрын
clems control group constantly changing 0? 22:40
@kbparkbjj
@kbparkbjj 6 ай бұрын
Many pros use a dumping key. You click and drag all the units on your screen and create control group 1, but you don't want the air unit (i.e. banshee) in that control group, so you immediately click the banshee and then click your dumping key (for me it's space bar) to remove it from control group 1 and put it in control group 0.
@SawyerKnight
@SawyerKnight 7 ай бұрын
He is so absurdly good, I cant believe Serral won this series... hes not even playing in it.
@tylerkahle332
@tylerkahle332 7 ай бұрын
He said the number, i must press the "like" button!
@karmer88
@karmer88 7 ай бұрын
You are my only subscription that I actively like every (mostly) video I watch. Something in the way you ask for the likes
@christianclark9494
@christianclark9494 7 ай бұрын
does only serral go infestors?
@itwasme2435
@itwasme2435 7 ай бұрын
That kid =O
@R1po
@R1po 5 ай бұрын
Playing a Terran like a Zerg, just constantly producing and hitting the enemy with waves after waves. It was more a Z v Z. Just with one player being T.
@schacker69
@schacker69 7 ай бұрын
Can Jimmy make an appearance one day?😊
@ryanberger7363
@ryanberger7363 7 ай бұрын
if i submit a game will do angry coach again? I promise im not out for glory
@patmacrotch5611
@patmacrotch5611 7 ай бұрын
Marines OP
@talscorner3696
@talscorner3696 7 ай бұрын
*claps at banana split joke*
@dominikstolarz2452
@dominikstolarz2452 7 ай бұрын
I think you could give Jimmy a day off and to our surprise perhaps employ for example Kerrigan for counting likes. Anyways I really enjoy this moment and started liking all videos since the beginning of counting.
@user-ul2wt4pd7u
@user-ul2wt4pd7u 7 ай бұрын
please give us a TV channel
@mechaman7818
@mechaman7818 7 ай бұрын
Clem channeling a bit of that SlayerS BoxeR.
@joss_ytb
@joss_ytb 6 ай бұрын
Lukit clem😂
@taesonslane2513
@taesonslane2513 7 ай бұрын
A decade ago i was a platinum zerg for WoL. I am trying to get back into it and i am severely struggling with widow mines. I prefer fighting protoss so i can go roach. In my experience marauders make roaches not even worth it for terran.
@daypark
@daypark 7 ай бұрын
We're only 381 likes short!
@vulcan7138
@vulcan7138 7 ай бұрын
Maru went from 2 to 4 😢
@logik1677
@logik1677 7 ай бұрын
its always vs the poor zergs :( we're such punching bags now lol
@danielanzelmganszky2075
@danielanzelmganszky2075 7 ай бұрын
How can I like the video twice?
@bjbmbc
@bjbmbc 6 ай бұрын
LOL for the 4 of you still watching that still play
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