Why remove Polymorph for Trickery Domain??? Love the Addition of Invisibility! the Cupcake scene from Critical role will not happen with this one, but I'm ok with it! I agree that the war cleric should get some sortof feature equal to War caster! but more like being able to cast spells and make weapon attacks!

See They said "Fuck you" to the half of all class in the game (until Artificer) that got the subclass before level 3 (Sorcerer, Cleric, Warlock, Druid, and Wizard vs Barbarian, Bard, Fighter, Ranger, Paladin, Rogue)

​@@Razdasoldierit's part of the really badly done testing they did in previous UAs where because people didn't really realize they were testing standardized subclass progression the results became skewed towards standardizing subclasses to level 3 and leaving the rest of progression the same. As a Sorc main all I can say is to hell with that.

The subclass choice has returned as original in 5e, but first step is all at 3rd level, they said it in the interview.

Moon druid is even more tanks as ever. Use level 5 feature to swap spell slots to wildshape. Every wildshape a moon druid does grant a minimum of 3 x druid level in temp hp. Take a bit of barbarian and you have 15 temp hp every spell slot with reaitence to damage.

Freaking awesome comment - get my thumbs up.

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what are they doing with all their time? learning to spell em oh en kay?

Amen to that

Oh my sweet summer child! The person in charge of writing the full casters probably IS in charge of the martial classes, that's WHY they've been so nerfed. Designer favoratism is a tradition in D&D, you never let people who like casters write non-casters, or visa versa, it's a surefire way to ensure that the classes they don't have a preference for get hammered into the ground.

@@josephpotter5766 We've Been Tricked, We've Been Backstabbed and We've Been Quite Possibly, Bamboozled!

@@josephpotter5766 So they need to find someone who likes Gish Characters that way we get one of two things. Good classes all around, or total garbage as they try to compensate weapons over spells on one class and something totally inverted on the next.

Martial classes feel good at early levels, but scale so low when comparing to full casters spells. I always say that it should be applied an ability check when trying to cast magic, using high level spells should be hard and require materials, only a last resource choice. Most campaigns do not keep the amount of daily fights so high as it is recommended in the DM book, causing all casters to be OP.

@@artallaudo2034 I understand your argument but it is inherently flawed. You are saying that magic users are too powerful because players choose to ignore the number of recommended encounters for an adventuring day. Also the Idea that you should only use your most powerful tools as a last resort isn't the best strategy for every environment. While there are real world examples let's look at this from the PoV of your character. You come across 6 kobolds and they attack the party you will be concerned for your safety but you have very little doubt that your party will be ok after the fight. Now come across an Ancient Dragon, now you know it can easily kill you, are you going to use the same level of force you did against the Kobolds now or are you going to try to end the threat before it ends you? Now for a situation where scaled escalation seems appropriate an Illithid and 6 Intellect devourers. You are inclined to think one guy and a few dogs should be an easy fight until the Psionics are realized and/or you realize the brain dogs are eating you brains then you realize that you need to end this fight yesterday. Now I understand that I won't find anything a martial class can do that companies to Meteor Swarm 40d6 save for 1/2 (140/70 dmg average) for 1 Action Now let's look at Fighter 20 (we are talking about high power abilities) with a great sword. 4 attacks with STR 20 and great weapon Master you are looking at 8d6+60 no save ( 88 dmg average) Now round 2 Abi-Dalzim's Horrid wilting 12d8 save for 1/2 (52/26) Fighter repeats Round 1 (88 dmg) So 192 dmg for wizard,172 for fighter Now Round 3 since most combats reach it. Wizard: Finger of Death 7d8+30 (62/31 dmg) Fighter: repeats Round 1 (88 dmg) So 254 Wizard, 264 fighter at round 3 Disintegrate is 75/0 dmg so fighter out paces damage at round 3 and continues to gain ground. Barbarian with GWM and max STR is a consistent 46 Monk w/h max DEX (21 dmg, monk needs help) Rogue 42 with sneak attack 62 w/h sharpshooter Ranger/Sharpshooter (41 dmg) Paladin/GWM (43 dmg) Sorcerers can match the wizard spells but warlock is worse with power word kill (100/0 Dmg) Maddening Darkness 8d8 (36/18 dmg) Finger of Death 62/31 dmg) Circle of Death 8d6 (28/14 dmg) Other casters are worse as bards have no 6th ot 8th lvl Offense spells Druids have no 9th lvl Offense spells and clerics have no offensive 9th or 8th lvl spells and in all of their cases upcasting the best Offensive spell is worse than the Wizard counterpart. So casters might be able to put out the biggest punch but it's once a day and can be outpaced easily after a few rounds of combat by most of the other classes.

But getting your subclass at level 3 is a good thing because now you can't take a single level MC and get anything that might be mediocre. 🤣

How the hell do warlocks and sorcerers not get their subclass until level 3 when their subclass is what gives them their powers??

@@josciety5579 I can only imagine sorcerers don't manifest or discover the source until level 3. Warlocks? No idea.

@@nickm9102 You can simply make the rules so that when you take this class at player level 1 you get your subclass. Otherwise you don’t get the subclass until level 2 or 3 to make multiclassing a little weaker.

​@@josciety5579Your bloodline and pact give you access to magical abilities. As you grow stronger the abilities grow as well moving from generic magic to somewhat thematic abilities and continuing to grow as you level (with you subclass features)

so they literally got rid of the best part of the subclass leveling change and kept the worst part of it. very WOTC, tbh.

Meaning classes like warlock, sorcerer, and cleric that all have their subclass as the source of the power now don’t have a source for their power until three levels of having power Fuck WotC

Sounds way worse then what we got with 5e tbh

6. You thought we were just going to give martials crumbs, nah we still going to be nerfing them just this time there is also going to be new ways we do it

@@mohammadmuriethey stole are bread then gave back crumbs

@christiandidonna8808 yes exactly, martials used to be just given bread while spellcasters were getting food made by a Hell's Kitchen winner, now martials are justing getting the crumbs of their old bread while spellcasters are upgraded to being served by Gordon Ramsey himself

there is one silver lining, people are curious about pathfinder 2e so they are trying new systems.

I gotta agree I think the religion check should be default. keep protector the thurmaturge should be a magical choice and maybe have that 3rd option be skills like what scholar was doing.

@@barcster2003 yeah, religion, a cantrip, and one other skill would be good. It'd be more inline with what the non-heavy armor subclasses got at the least

Unique spells or features for Clerics of individual deities would make things so much cooler. I understand there are too many deities for every Cleric to get a unique thing, but the devs could at least do it for the Forgotten Realms pantheon.

@@darkmoon2503 Maybe repurpose the piety system from Theros? Imagine building a Cleric of Sune that casts with CHA instead of Wisdom or adds their WIS to CHA checks. Picking up charm spells, and getting expertise in Persuasion and Deception checks. Imagine getting proficiency with a musical instrument or an artistic tool kit of your choice because Sune is the patron goddess of artists. Is it a bit Bard Lite? Sure, but *gestures at Divine Soul Sorcerer and Hexblade Warlock* If I'm praying to the goddess of love and beauty, I would expect her clerics to be good faces for their parties. All while still being a life or light cleric that smites evil or heals the downtrodden as Sune would. They don't have to make a love domain, just give her clerics a way to get those charm spells. I shouldn't have to play a Divine Bard to play as a Cleric of Sune.

Fluff and mechanics deeply integrated together without relying on the player to reflavor and the DM to homebrew? Not in my 5.5E!

Yeah I've also been puzzled when seeing this opinion around. Maybe it's because people are thinking "oh yeah, Polymorph, that spell that turns your allies into Giant Apes" rather than considering the fact that it can turn enemies into animals which is perfect for the trickery theme

People don't think SHAPESHIFTING should be trickery? Its almost as tricky as illusion!

In mythology, many trickster deities and entities are shapeshifters, and use that ability in their schemes.

I agree, it just makes Mages seem alot more powerful in general since their gameplay is what everything else hinges on.

I'm usually fine with it like the way they do it with Glamor bard but I understand you. New things is better.

I'm willing to bet pounds to pesos that the reason why they're doing it this way is specifically to make it easier for D&D Beyond to track. No gameplay reasons, just this

I think you are discrediting commune. It's basically ask 3 and reasonably up to 6 questions daily and potentially up to 9 because the way commune is written means it doesn't lie you just get nothing if it fails so the worst that happens is you waste time. For example Is ________ trustworthy? You can also phrase it as should i trust _______ ? Any answer other then yes means I should be cautious. Is _______ in danger today? (Maybe my character could cast a death ward spell on them monitor them, ect) Is ________ against your will? (I'm kind of asking the deity if I should deal with it) Will _____ guard take bribes?

Yeah, it's the more boring option from a game design perspective. Why create new and interesting stuff when you can just slap a spell that is often used by the class? That's their logic, it's easier. That's pretty much the reason why I hate the idea of buffing martials by giving them spells

Wanted to comment this too, but scrolled a bit first to see if someone else commented this

​@@VTSfilmsLikewise lol

Tbh. This good

Then why not just ban multiclassing in general?

@@arealhumanbean3058 a .the idea of multi classing isnt bad by nature. But its being abused for purely min max and rarly for character development reasons. Its because in 2014 the designer didn't balance for it . B. You cant any more .the cat is out of the bag. They will have to make a new hole system for it to happend .

​@@yuvalgabay1023Because multiclassing is dogshit otherwise. You're weaker than the rest of your party, there's little to no mechanical benefit UNLESS you're abusing mechanics in an unintended way, and the flavor sucks. Cause you don't *get* anything for it. There's no special features, special feats, etc.

@@mythicalthings1796 a..there js many good multi classing builds that ate not deep hoes (and yes this is the name i given to this kind of builds).they not amazing powerful but they are good .which is good. Multi classing should be for : Character growth. Versitliy Or cool unque idea. Not abusing the mechanics to there tipping point to become dpr /skill/defence god.. sadly in 5e its mainly the last . And now whit most classes getting more goodis in later levels .and the features are more spread out i hope to see an environment where more committed multi classing is around

It is a cool spell.

"Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast wish ever again if you suffer this stress."

@@ATMOSK1234 So you basically just remove the cause of the 33% roll. I now see why that's a problem

@@gyletre675 Because they can cast wish for anything and never have a chance to lose it.

@@ATMOSK1234 There was already a way to do that in 5e, although it took some more setup. If you have two characters with Wish, have one use it to cast Simulacrum on the other, then have the new Simulacrum cast Wish on whatever you like. (You could also do it with one caster by casting Simulacrum the slow and expensive way, but Wish is so much more convenient.)

This is like the UA Sorcerer capstone where you can't lose the ability to use Wish but even more broken because the cast is completely free. Sorcs at least suffer the side effects of Wish and have to burn spell slots for it even if they can never lose the spell itself. Clerics really are just a bunch of divinely booned sugar babies

Idk if ‘do nothing 90% of the time’ was fun, exactly. Unique, sure. It took over 20 sessions, almost a full year, before my divine intervention ever succeeded. Felt pretty bad. I’ll be glad to have it be an actually useful feature nkw

Y? I can wish to become immune to damage, without any drawback

@@vittoriosavian9964 the immunity is an option listed in Wish as being temporary.

​@@hyko8355Yes, but you can go beyond the examples, and unless the DM is competent or adversarial, this is a ticket to breaking the game entirely through wishes you get. Wish needs to be removed or reduced in power in order for this to work.

I'm guessing they were afraid to give the armored full caster extra attack.

Tricklance!

Except Eldritch blast scales with warlock level now. Nowhere near as good anymore.

Oh absolutely. I feel like we went back in time to when I was playing pathfinder 1.

That's a big project. I would have to put the channel to the side for several months.

​@@PackTactics It would worth😊

​@PackTactics could you do tips and where to start on how to balance them?

@@mohammadmurie As a video? No. This isn't a homebrew channel. Anyways I would start with spells before even touching anything because usually spells are better than features.

@@PackTactics what are you talking about every spell is just another op class feature for spellcasters, each and every single one of them /s But yeah fair about no to the video

I think for war cleric it makes sense.

thats already on the channel (Jester is a Role Model for clerics in Dnd 5e! - Critical Role character analysis)

@@pandanielxd oh, thanks.

I like it more now.

I'm guessing they make sure it wasn't broken.

@@barcster2003 its not like casters arent overpowered already and warcleric should be the most paladin like of all clerics. Still the other subclases for cleric are better unfortunatly.

CD in 5e is 1 use, 2 at 6 and 3 at 18, getting them all back on a short rest you're sort of ahead now unless you get loads of short rests, and you get more to use in one go which can be really important.

It is.

​@Barely_Edited it's pretty much the same if you presume 1 short rest. If you get more than 1 its defintely worse. I think what they should do is make the religion check bonus default and then change thurmaturge. Some suggestions I have is giving more channel uses, allowing more spell preparations or giving your channel a special effect of some kind. The same should happen to druids.

@@Barely_Edited Got’cha, I was confused because what he said didn’t match what was on screen.