Guys, thanks so much for all the awesome comments and thoughts on the video and other belay devices, let us know what other belay device comparisons, or any other gear comparisons you'd like to see and we'll try and get them done!

You said "I can't talk about it unless I KNOW about it." I wish everyone on this planet did that!!!

It's been 2 years since i've made the switch to an alpine up (alpine version of the click up) and I find it so versatile compared to the grigri that I would never go back to that last one. The big plus is that you can use half ropes, abseil without any prussik knot, belay a second and even belay on a dynamic mode ( more like an atc (useful when ice climbing when you don't wanna shock load anything)) Super versatile, I love it.

I've used the Click Up for quite a while, I think one and a half years in total. The hing about it is...I think it's a great device that is pretty simple to use. But it is to fiddly for my taste, when you have to secure very dynamic, when you have to give out th rope quickly (it tends to block itself there sometimes if you try it a little bit hasty). What I loved about it was how good it felt when the climber finished the route and I had to let him down, it is a really intuative thing especially for beginners. But also the Click Up doesn't really like your typical climbing gym top ropes. You all know these ropes, they are pretty thick and due to extensive use the surface is pretty rough and beat up. Ther eit sometimes has its problems when letting the climber down. It tends to block when those beat up ropes flow through the device. That's the reason why I personally changed to the AustriAlpin Fish belaying device. It is pretty much like the famous Mammut Smart but with the little extra of a better designed hook in the front (for giving out the rope dynamically I really appreciate thet) and it also has a lever for letting the climber down. The lever is pretty close to the way the lever of the GriGri works, but it has some better sensation of the rope going through the device, so for me it somewhat combindes the pros of the GriGri and the ClickUp.

I've been using the Alpine Up (which is the more heavy duty version of the Click Up) for years. Much prefer it to GriGri for sport climbing.

I struggle with Grigri mostly because as a left handed I feel like the lever and system are on the wrong side. No such problem with ClickUp which like ATC devices is symmetrical, so great for either left or right handed. There is a bit of a learning curve to feel really comfortable with ClickUp but well worth the effort. Agreed that it is pretty terrible with thick ropes/top ropes, but then so is Grigri in my experience..

I use the Grigri and the click-up. I take the click-up exclusively to crag and gym. I'll use someone else's Grigri once in a while. I used to use the Grigri but the click-up pushed me off the Grigri in ~2009. It is easier to use. Even though I am likely an expert belayer at this point, I want complete control. Anything that gives me the slightest edge on-task will get me interested. For this reason I try all devices that are introduced to the market. • Rope-thickness affects the Grigri and click-up similarly. The rope-sensitivity of the Click-up is over-emphasized in this video. The Mega Jule was mentioned. After trying the MJ for a few weeks I found it to be very rope-sensitive, sticky for thick ropes. • The BD Pilot is best compared with / contrasted to the Mammut Smart because the break end is tracked in a channel similarly and friction is controlled similarly by catching the thumb in the nose of the device. The belay operations of these devices are most similar to each other. I thought the Pilot would push me off the Click-Up (stainless steel, light, cheap, simple). It didn't because it does not have that intuitive feel that I get from the ATC, Reverso basket-type devices. • Over the years I have replaced 2 HMS carabiners for the same Click-up. The biner is the only spot that the functioning unit wears. The 2009 click-up mentioned above looks as good as the day I bought it minus the cosmetic dings. • Which brings me to another sticking point in the video. All of the HMS biners that I bought to replace the original were different. In fact I only bought the Click-Up, not the recommended HMS biner. I have used the biner without a keeper, but after experiencing the keeper I use an HMS biner with a keeper for the Reverso also (good for Grigri too). At some point basket type devices will cross-load the biner. It has happened to me a few times while catching a fall, it is more annoying than dangerous. • I have never had the fiddly moment referred to in the video when my climber hurriedly gets back on the wall. • Increased heat in the device? I have developed sport and trad (installing anchors/ bolts) with the click-up. Whether you abseil on one rope or lower a climber, the force on the device and the heat generated are similar. I've never had a problem there. • The Click-Up is a single pitch sport climbing device. It lacks the versatility of ATC/ Reverso because it cannot admit two ropes to rappel off the top. For this reason I also take the Reverso to the crag. Climbing Tech also made the Alpine up for this purpose, but I hated it (bulky, didn't manage friction well, very rope-sensitive).

I started with HMS/figure-of-eight, took a break from climbing, came back, got an ATC XP, and now a Click Up. Aside from minor changes I never had to adjust the way I move my hands. My main issue with the Click Up is thick, worn ropes. The feeding can be awfully fiddly. But in those rare cases I can fall back to the ATC. I'm sure most climbers had a similar experience... and that's why I have trust issues with any device that requires to learn different motions. With the GriGri that's primarily the whole "panic-while-using-the-break" problem. There's been cases when even experienced climbers screwed this up. And that's always in my mind when I see it in use.

I like that you admitted that it may be changing your mind. I'm a VERY beginner climber and I'm starting to look for pieces of kit. I've used your average ATC most of the time, and the grigri a few times and I must say I prefer any old ATC over the GriGri. The GriGri works very well but it's a little overly complicated and at times it feels like it buggers things up because the rope doesn't just flow through it as easily as an ATC. MOST of the people who belay at my local gym use just a standard ATC, even though they gym provides them with 2 GriGri's in the gear closet. And for me personally I find that it just flows more naturally using an ATC I don't have to think about it. Where as with a GriGri I sort of have to think about what I'm doing with the device more than I want to be.

You guys should do an updated video for the new Click Up + vs the latest GriGri :)

Grigris aren't lefty friendly! I totally would buy one, but they are SO difficult for lefties and there is no lefty version as of now. So excited about this new device, definitely going to invest!

The Alpine Up is my go-to device for pretty much every type of climbing. Great for belaying, rappeling, and guide mode.

Gri Gri is hard to use for left handed, the click up is for both left and right handed

I personally tried both the GriGri and ClickUp, and I'm currently using the ClickUp for lead belaying. Besides the disadvantages stated in the video for the GriGri, it is also alittle bias to right handers, even though it is not a big issue as long as you have enough practice with it. Another advantage of belay devices like the ClickUp, it is easily noticeable if there were to be any cracks or major scratches, however as for the GriGri, if one were to drop it on the floor, the internal structure of the device might be damaged and it would be very challenging to discover the problem. Just sharing my point of view and it is kinda obvious which is my go to belay device. NEVERTHELESS, NEVER LET GO OF YOUR BREAKING HAND! Thanks

We have gri gris at work and if you’re belaying all day, they’re great for that. I do fancy looking into others for personally use such as the click up and the BD pilot

In my personal experience has been that beginners are safer with a GriGri. The problem I have had when teaching first timers how to use an ATC or tube device is they will not naturally hold the rope in the brake position.

A few summers ago I used the click-up in a guiding scenario. Most of the work was single pitch top rope. The organization I worked for provided us with a click-up for use in awkward belays and rescue scenarios. Due to the number of climbers, the ropes were pretty thick. In this specific instance the only time a click-up was used was when we were ironically belaying each other with it after the clients had left. I wish they had given us ATC guides instead. With that thicker rope it was miserable and borderline unusable.

It seem all assisted braking devices are always compared to the GriGri. Seldom does one hear about the Lifeguard from Mad Rock. I've tried the GriGri and didn't care for it, also I don't like being like everyone else with the same clanking noise as I'm climbing (we all know the clank of a GriGri). The Lifeguard is smaller in size than both the GriGri and the Click Up, it's also lighter than the GriGri and operates the same way with a stronger assisted brake function on most ropes. And even though I have a Lifeguard, I still find that a traditional ATC is still a go-to. There is no replacement for good belay technique and undivided attention to the climber.

I've got both a Grigri 2 and a Clickup+ and the toasty carabiner on the Clickup+ actually kind of is a big deal... I'm scared for my rope with how hot it gets honestly. I also have a 10mm rope and I've found giving slack on the Clickup+ is super fiddly and I need to hold it in a weird way to give slack whilst keeping it from locking up.

I predominately go sport climbing so I'm a lot more used to using standard ATC devices - ive used a few Gri Gris and although they were good, never felt like the need to buy one but I can definitely see myself using the Click Up. I figure that with the asssited breaking, it will also prove useful on those redpoints/projects where I need to sit on the harness and rest or look for my next move... without slowly sliding down

biggest hassle with the click-up is when you are too slow while giving out rope. it happens that climber pulls faster than you give out and click-up locks up. then you have a dangerous situation. it lakes ages to unclick the device and climber has to stop pulling for that, which is counterintuitive. these days beginners often have never used an atc.

I’ve never used or handled the Click Up but I have used both a GriGri 2 and Plus and my main device is actually an BD ATC Pilot. A comparison between the Click Up and Pilot would be interesting because they function very similarly. I believe the Edelrid Megajul does as well, with how they pinch the rope to assist breaking and the same kind of pivot movement to lower.

I have been trained to use gri-gri and atc. Just because the budget we bought an Alpine-up (includes Click-up) wondering if it was a good choice or if we would put it in the trash in a few weeks but after 4 months using it every weekend I can say that I like it. The control of the decending process of course must be controlled by the belayer ALWAYS so the self locking system of the gri-gri is not a reason to leave the dead rope with no atention....or any other system. I have seens several accidents (falls to the ground) while the belayer is using a gri-gri so the device is not a replacement of the belayer (partner). It makes me think that the only weakness og this device is the biggest and most dangerous. Of course when you are a responsable belayer ...you are able to use all the devices. No doubt about that!! Now we are going to do the next step with our device and we will start using it for the other functions like rappeling and so on. I repeat...I was afraid of the Click-up (alpine-up) system at the beggining but when you test it with your partner is very easy to use and you can trust on its assistance. BTW when it is brand new the unlock procedure is not that easy as later on but that is the reason they released Click-up+ which has some more space for the carabin to unlock the device.

With the click-up I think it's a problem that if you give out rope fast by clipping or something ... The click-up closes up I dont like it that much but I have no experience with the grigri eighter. I use the ergo from salewa and it's kinda similar to the click up but it doesn't close up that quickly. Also it has this little "nose" kinda thing which is nice to bring the climber down. Have a nice weekend

interesting video, from what I've seen on the net, the grigri is what's used by industrial rope access workers, ie:window cleaners on skyscrapers, aerial maintenance, etc. where a handle is a good idea, they use it one handed, and since there is no risk of a piece of gear (they have a lot on them as they climb the rope, not a rock as steel is slippery!) causing the device to move and "click over" and hence failing to grip. what they do use it for is as a breaking device during descent off a height, in which the handle is used to lock off and control the descent rate, especially during a rescue maneuver where they have to rig up the casualty as well as control their own motions on their own rope.

The Edelrid Jul 2 is my favorite!!! Literally all the cons mentioned in this video for these devices are nonexistent with the Jul 2...

As someone who has used both I do prefer the clickup for lead belay. In fact it's my first choice in that category. The main drawback to me is that I don't find the clickup very nice when top roping (especially not on thick gym ropes). In the end it's so good at lead and bad at top rope that I use two different devices...

Thanks guys! I still use an 8 for abseiling as I consider my sacrificial device. I’ve worn carabiners out belaying and abseiling with ATCs

I would also love to see a review of the Mega Jul and the Mad Rock Lifeguard please!

The critical point which is rarely discussed is, lead climber pulls of a block that nails the belayer, belayer lets go or tries to, maybe with a grigri grabs the live rope and depending on distance and force falls further than the leader would like. The cam in the GRigri is the problem, allows for easy payout of the rope but means that a lower grab force on the live rope leads to deck falls.

Gri gri not a belay devices, it is a lifestlye

I have been using the click up for more than 2 years now. Not that I don't like the grigri, but its really not a left handed friendly device, and I am left handed. So would definitely recommend the click up to all lefties like me. Plus if you are using a ATC before, it's really easy to learn to use the click up and it is much safer than an ATC.

The biggest problem ive had with the click up is with wider "well used" ropes... when you try to give out slack quickly it starts clicking up and blocking which is pretty annoying especially if your climber is in a tough spot and you cant give them the amount of rope they need...

The best things about the click up you forgot to tell everybody is that 1) the click up has a lower chance to have a mechanical failure when in use since it’s only 2 components working together! 2) if anything on the click up should fail yes like you said it will be the carabiner. Why because if the rope is not managed and stored properly just like the 8 you will see that it has been eaten by how the rope runs. So yes you will know when it’s time to get a new carabiner without ruining a great day of climbing! 3) you know that the click up is only for climbing and not multi-use like for rappelling and a list of thing like you said, so this tells you yes with Climbing technology you might have to get a few more things than another climbing company but if you use it for one thing and one thing only it will last longer by far! And I know any climber will not do this but if you drag the grigri in dirt and click up also I think that the click up wins buy working normally and if you would like to clean if this happens it’s too easy!

I recently bought an Alpine UP - a big brother of Click Up, able to take two strands (rappelling, simul). Having belayed on an ATC, GriGri, and MegaJul before, Alpine Up is definitely my favorite and frankly it's quite surprising to me how much less popular and known it is, given how well it works and how easy it is to learn - giving slack is almost as easy as with an ATC (I don't like the way you do it with a GriGri, seems kinda sketchy, similar with MegaJul), it's versatile and locks up super well - although there has to be at least minimal tension downwards on the blocking end of the rope, so won't work unless you hold it. Though tbh I kinda like that as well - GriGri gives a lot of people a false sense of confidence because it usually locks up even not held - but it's that tiny margin of error that might get you ;)

Thanks for the video review. I would like to know how this device performs as a self-belay device. Many climbers use belay devices such as the GriGri2 as self-belay devices.

I've never used a gri gri but I've been using the click up for a few weeks and love it coming from a normal ATC. I watched a few videos on auto lock devices and the click up just seemed to be much more simple. Another big reason I like it is due to it being so easy, it's a good device to use while teaching people how to belay on a lead climb, if for some reason they panic when they come off the ground it helps me not die and it's easy for them to use and lower me back down. Like I said I've never used a grigri but for me the click up is amazing for me and people I'm teaching.

Try the alpine up instead of the click up. It seemed awesome and a grigri killer for the multipitch to me. ;)

Ive been using the Click-Up for more than 2 years, completly agree with Matt. Is my preferred device for belaying sport routes, over GriGri, over Cinch. For long abseiling use another device.

For sport (indoor) : Gri gri Alpine Light/Big routes : Reverso.

One huge plus for the click up is if you are a left hand belayer, as I am. There is no approved method for left hand lead belaying with a grigri. So, I use the click up as a left hander and love it, incredibly simple and safe device!

Agreed, click up and BD pilot changing the game for me. I think the biggest disadvantage to GriGri is for beginners: backward loaded equals death. You may not think it happens, but I assure you it does. People misunderstand those drawings all the time. Loading a click up backwards is like loading an atc backwards - no big deal (of course it removes the assisted braking aspect)

The only reason I haven't really liked the Gri Gri is because I am left handed and use my left hand for my break hand. The Click Up looks like a nice solution to that problem. I've always wished Petzl would make a left handed Gri Gri

One issue I've found with a Grigri2 is that when you lower from above off anchor there is a lot of force on the device and the handle is really hard to get it to just un-pinch the rope so that you can lower the climber. I had to have gloves on whilst lowering due to the forces.

Can you please review the Edelrid MegaJul. I know some belayers that struggle with the operation of the GriGri, but the MegaJul is quite close to a regular ATC - so less confusion

I love the GriGri and probably always will. But thanks Matt and epic tv for your gear videos..... now I'm gonna have to buy a click up and try for myself.... Also I read a ton of comments about left handed use of the grigri , I'm left handed and I don't have any issues using the thing.....

I use the click up with a 10.2 dry rope and have had very few issues with feeding. I also bought it because it's similar to the ATC, which I started on. The heat issue is definitely there, but that's why my ATC never leaves my harness.

So I have a GriGri and a Click Up.With any doubt the Click Up is easier to use for belaying.The only downside is that if you do not pay attention you can load the Click Up incorrectly which could result in a serious situation.Recently started climbing with a beginner and within a very short time he became competent with the Click UP.I do not think that I would have had as much confidence if I had gotten him to use a Gri Gri.

Debate: I have used a gri gri for so long that I self belay for fixing holds using a gri gri on the left side (required due to the lever) and am yet to have an issue after testing it extensively by leaping off the wall to try and make it not work. Avid climbers will immediately note that it’s an assisted breaking device and that it’s dangerous to self belay with this. However, the physics can not and will not ever fail while the gear is undamaged. Inertia locks work 100% of the time, with the one risk being the handle when the gri gri hangs below you. I climbed up 12 feet (crash pad below) and intentionally wound the slack around the handle on one jump and another where I wedged the level in my harness. Both times, the handle simply wasn’t being pulled from the right distance up the handle to apply the force to release tension at any reasonable rate. Sure, better gear exists designed for solo assisting. The gri gri is all I have, and it’s worked flawlessly no matter how I try and make it fail. Thoughts? Mostly hoping for stories of failures so I can find a flaw in the system

1) grigri+ has an "anti-panic" function, 2) grigri stops a fall even if you for some reason don't hold the rope in the lower hand (e.g. if you=the belayer get injured). It is not 100%, there are situations where this won't work, but mostly grigri will block even without holding the lower (right) hand....

Learned on the ClickUp. Hated it for „clicking up“ to fast especially when your a beginner. Giving out slack fast I found really hard without triggering the breaking system. I’m using a Smart now. Like it way better.

Nice video, well explained! Another disadvantage of the Grigri is when you're giving slack fast - you essentially need to block the auto braking function of the device. There are some posts on reddit about accidents happening, if the climber falls during this moment. P.S. Could you also please compare this to the ATC Pilot from BD? It seems to be the same principle, only smaller and cheaper than the Click Up.

I've used both & prefer the Grigri. But for me, they are fighting for a very distant second place. My current setup is a Camp Matik, BD Magnetron, and a Tendon Master Pro 9.2. I'd like to see a video about the Matik. It's super easy to use. I know it has a reputation for being heavier, overpriced, and generally harder to use, but to that, i would just say to try it with a rope that's 8.8 to 9.5. It works great with my Tendon cord. And it's had the anti panic feature Petzl added to the Grigri+ for a couple years now. Plus it doesn't leave that grey stuff on your rope like the Grigri does. It's purely cosmetic, i realize, but it's true none the less.

I use Click Up for years, it's great. It's safe and simple for sport climbing! .

Thank you for all your videos on testing different belay devices! I am learning a lot! I have a question: how do you feed slack quickly without accidentally engaging the assisted brake of the click up? This happens to me occasionally and then I'm short-slacking my climbers right when they're trying to clip. Makes me feel horrible!! I'd really appreciate advice from you or any other viewers.

What would happen if for human error the belayer would grab the climbing rope instead of the braking rope during a fall? Because one review on Amazon the ATC pilot said the braking system did not engage (doing said mistake) and fell to the gym ground. Here is the review: "I'm recovering from a bad fall I had about 6 weeks ago. This item, in conjunction with user error, was to blame. I don't care to explain the details much, but here's the gist: I was climbing indoors. I was climbing with a competent, yet novice climber who was belaying me. I was descending, being lowered down by my belayer. I began to pick up too much speed, free-falling from about 8 meters. Because my belayer panicked he grabbed the live rope and not the dead rope. The system did not engage and thus did not assist the braking in any way. IF YOU ARE CLIMBING WITH A NOVICE, BUY A GRI-GRI AND NOT ONE OF THESE. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED. Hitting the deck like a sack of Sh*t from about 8 meters hurts like hell, winds you and might even break your back, legs/ankles etc. I was very lucky that a) it was indoors and thus fell onto semi-soft rubber and b) I landed feet, bum, back, then head. I could have easily not walked away from that fall. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED."

Mega Jul.. The only device I would trust in hands of beginners ;) I have seen sooo many people using the GriGri wrong!

At 11:58 you see exactly why the Grigri is the better delay! If you hold the breaking rope parallel like in this moment, the Clickup won‘t work. N the meantime youcan get get Grigri 2 plus with Antipanic-function!

I have a couple of comments when it comes to both the GriGri and the Click Up. If you haven't guessed by my previous comments I'm a big Click Up fan.. 1. The GriGri encourages you to give out far more slack than you need. I'm amazed how many belayers I've seen using GriGri's that have insane levels of slack in the system. From my own experience I think it's because if it locks by accident (didn't give enough slack for the climber who's now clipping) it's a bitch to unlock the system while the climber is still active and often will ruin a redpoint attempt. 2. The Click Up is so much easier to unlock if you need too. "Oh crap I didn't give out quite enough slack and now he's pulling on the rope" all you have to do is yank it upwards and you're good to go. This means you're far more likely to have the right amount of slack for the climber since you treat it far more like a regular belay plate over a GriGri. 3. The heat issue is something I've run into. However I've only found it an issue when I'm lowering someone off at a fair speed. I think it's really just an issue of people being lazy and lowering climbers to fast.

I got both and I would still choose the Grigri 2. Imagine the worst case scenario: your belayer becoming unconscious (ex. getting hit in the head with a rock, low sugar, etc) just when you are falling and he/she is not holding the rope... the Click up won’t lock up... the Grigri can lock up even if the belayer is not holding the rope .... again this would be a worst case scenario

That Click Up remembers me of the old Yoyo. All in all, I prefer the Cinch, because it's so simple and easy to use, even with the Gri-gri-like lever.

I tried the click up a few times and I found it soooo uncomfortable compared to my grigri1...so hard to give fast slack, so hard to push down people (especially if they are heavier than you), I really don't get why people buy it when there is grigri or matik. For 10$ he doesn't have a chance to win...there's no reason :D

didnt read all the comments but the click-up if used incorrectly will still work as a belay device albeit unassisted. also the clickup once locked will stay locked, ie you have to unlock it manually. i found this feature useful once when i was seconding and the belayer had too much drag that it was impossible to belay me. so i put on the click up in the locked position and belayed myself up... also for this reason click up is safest for beginners and top roping

I have the alpine up a few years ago and I do not change it for anything. Great product It is lighter, does not require maintenance, has no mechanical parts.

Try the Madrock lifeguard vs the grigri? Works the same but it's smaller.

Great video. I think you have helped me make up my mind. I have the original Gri gri and I’m looking to replace it. I normally use my ATC but would like to add an additional assisted braking device.

I'm a bit disappointed that the major problem of the Clickup and all "auto tubers" and normal tubers was not mentioned. Read it on the comments though. If you feed the rope from above the device it will not lock and it creates very little friction. This is sometimes done by people that are used to belaying with a munter hitch. Clear plus for the Grigri. On the other hand, there is a study about handling mistakes with various belaying devices. It was published in "berg und steigen" magazine. The Clickup caused the least amount of belaying mistakes. (0.51 mistakes per ascent) Less than grigri (0.75), smart(0.58), tuber(1.09) and munter hitch(1.14). If you are into multi pitch climbing with half ropes you should definitely check out the megajul or microjul. With these you can even use the assisted braking mode if belaying directly from an anchor. And you can use the same device for repelling, which is not possible with clickup or grigri. My conclusion: Choose whatever device you like and learn how to use it. Learn about the common mistakes and how to avoid them. Happy climbing!

I've got an ATC Pilot for a week now, "great because it's like an ATC". It's about the same thing, simple, cheap (40€ here in France). It works fine. No problem to give slack quickly. Not for beginners in my opinion beginners should not learn with assisted braking devices. But it's nice for advanced climbers who will spend a long time working in the routes. Also good for kids and schools I think.

Or spend 1/3rd and get a Megajul, which is a lot easier to use, and is more versatile.

I’ve also found you get heat with a gri-gri so perhaps not a negative for the click up. It’s just the whole friction physics thing.

Click up seems like a stupid variation of the brilliant Mammut smart, there's an improved version and it works perfect, it also don't has the cons mentioned for the clickup. The smart really is intuitive and you have the absolute control over everything, that's what I love about it :)

ive been using the mega jule by edilrid for a long time and find it really easy to use, could you do a video comparing more belay devices including the jule?

some while back, i took an alpine club course during which i had the chance to test all the major assisted-braking devices (grigri, clickup, smart) and i was very convinced by the salewa ergo. i've been using it eversince, and i don't think this device gets enough attention. being an auto-tuber, it's very simple to use, it locks very consistently and it has "nose" with which you can open the device, so there's never this weird, fiddly moment, when your climber needs a lot of slack for a clip. BD quite recently released a very similar device, which just shows that this system works pretty well.

Isn't the click up 2 coming really soon?

great video, I wanted to point out that the click up could possibly have an increased chance of catching cloths or fingers in the device due the very hands~on device operation. Fodder fot thoughts, thank you.

GriGri's are great for top-down belays and pick-offs, unlike the Click Up which can only be used as a belay from the bottom of the crag. If you're only going to buy one, go with the Grigri.

I have used the Click Up and I found it very good.Belaying with this device was an enjoyable experience but I found one thing I did not like. When the climber took a fall (lets say 1-2 meters) and she pulled the rope to return up I diverged from the bottom of the route and I had to come closer again. That's when I found out that taking rope while the climber was hanging was very difficult and this is the reason I think this device is not for projecting a route. (Hope I described it well enough. English is not my mother tongue)

You didn't bring up the issues when misusing either system. Grigri can be easily be misused by constantly using the thumb. Click up can be misused by putting it wrong way around (which is harder to spot compared to Grigri). Click up still works, it's like a slippery ATC. Also you may not put the rope inside the carabiner, which can be spotted when yanking the rope off click up before climbing. I find Grigri more hazardous, especially with beginners or old dogs who've become too reliant with Grigri's locking and cut corners with dead rope and thumb on the lock. Click up is also smoother descent for the climber.

Great stuff... so what's the verdict a year later? GriGri or Click Up

when lowering off a climber from a 40 meter wall recently my clickup got very hot, had to take it slow and even pause at times. The grigri also got quite hot. I love my clickup for general sport climbing.

I have a grigri and a clickup. I find the click much easier for lead belaying. It also works better than the grigri with fat ropes.

Do a camp matik review. All the benefits of gri gri 2 with a proper anti panic function

I use a 9.9 mm rope. I got this mainly for my girlfriend since she's new at climbing. But I had to get used to using it. For top roping it works great. But when I go lead climbing with my buddies it grabs whenever I'm trying to feed slack quickly🤷🏼‍♂️

Also the click up is left handed friendly too! The grigri is hard to use for left handers.

The Gri Gri is getting hot, too, when you lower someone fast and / or a long way. It's just physics. The energie has to go somewhere. For the Gri Gri into the device, with the Click Up more into the biner

Firstly, I don't like the idea that you have to use a particular carabiner with this device, seems like it's two piece system which I don't like the idea of. Anyhow, been using Grigri since day one, and loved the device ever since, took time to get used to it, but after couple of tries if felt natural, even for a lefty, which I am. One negative about the G2 is that the cover plate is made of aluminum and it is wearing out faster than I expected, but this issue has been addressed in G+. Coming back to Click Up, I feel like it would be difficult to assist your climber if he's hanging of the wall and you want to load all of your weight of the rope by jumping up the rope

I bought a click up. But I don’t like how it locks up when your just feeding slack to the climber.

I’ll have to see how it works with a 9.7 rope with the thicker ropes it locks up when your climber needs slack quickly and is very annoying trying to give them rope after it’s locked.

I still don't understand how people can pull that lever too far because of panic. When do you ever panic when you're lowering the climber?

I think it's an oversimplification to say that the grigri is "easy to use" and to ignore the inherent issues with geometry-based assisted locking devices (Click up, Smart, Megajul, etc). Every choice we make while climbing is a compromise. Just know the implications of the choices you make. In this case, know your gear and it’s limitations. I know you guys are focused on helping narrow down the choices for beginners, but I feel avoiding the technical issues does the public a disservice.

I’m still amazed that companies are not only using the best metals China has to offer. They are using the best plastic China has to offer. Not very comforting when your life is on the line.

Another con to the grigri in particular (but pretty much every belay device that isn't the atc) is the ambidextrous side of things. Its build for right hand dominate belayers only. I particularly belay left hand dominate, but i am able to use the grigri comfortably by switching to right hand dominate, but it seems that petzl has turned a blind eye to their customers who belay left handed, regardless of how small of their audience that may be, it is still customers they risk losing in that field

So this is the first time I've seen the click up and it looks fairly similar to the BD pilot except it has a really nice way of holding the carabiner out of the assisted braking position when giving slack. I don't use the BD pilot when lead belaying for that very reason. I am curious though because I was inspecting the carabiner that I use with the BD pilot and noticed some chipping/markings from when the carabiner comes into contact with the Pilot when in the brake position. I've now completely abandoned the BD pilot because I'm a bit skeptical that it may have caused some microfractures in the carabiner itself. Anyone have any experience with the click up and seen the same issue?

Personally I think if anyone has panicked and lowered someone to quickly on a grigri, they were not trained properly on the device... When lowering any person on ANY DEVICE the control of decent should always be maintained with the BRAKE HAND of the rope - NOT ON THE LEVER OF THE DEVICE!!!.... I have over-heard inexperienced climbers in the gym explain to others how to belay on the grigri when lowering using the words “it’s like a brake pedal”... “the more you pull it, the quicker they lower” This gets people cross wired to think its like a brake pedal of a car so they try to hammer it down harder to get to person to “stop” in a panic situation. The proper way to train people is to tell them to pull the lever to release the “lock” that the device has on the rope and then control the rate of decent via the hand on the brake side of the rope. If you have that mind set, any device is intuitive. (I used a rental grigri in the gym until I got my first tubular device and Then I bought a petzl reverso and still use it) Meh- All these new fang-jangled devices are just designed to empty your wallet ;) An ATC guide for cragging or multi-pitching is all you need (and maybe a grigri if you wanna be lazy while a friend hang dogs a proj... but then just borrow his )

Matt kinda looks like one of those info commercial people who can't handle life at 8:13 haha

Could you please do a review on Alpine Up?

I don't understand how if the climber is falling too fast with the grigri "although all you need to do is let go of the handle, you'd be amazed how often climbers don't do that" but with the click up "it's so simple just to back off a little tiny bit". Well with the grigri its so simple to let go of the handle or raise it just a little tiny bit...

I went to the jewel the click up locks up way to easy when trying to give rope quickly to the climber, the jewel locks up too but not so easily. Maybe I’ll get and try out the new black diamond tubular device.

I like Click up better than grigri because it's more intuitive and more difficult to mess up with. With grigri, some people tend to rest their hand too much on the break and also some may panic when lowering down.

Any love for the Smart Alpine or Megajul? They both do it all in my opinion. I'm surprised I don't see them more often. Cons are minimal imo