The Bible also condones slavery. How is it a sin to love but not a sin to own another person?

@@bozidarferfolja5702 Homosexuals love their partners in the exact same way heterosexuals do. If you think homosexuality is only about sex then clearly you're misinformed. You seem more concerned with condemning people for loving the gender that god made them attracted to than concerned with god condoning slavery.

@@justafellerwithnoprofilepi4546 Sure thing mate. Keep convincing yourself. All the best to you, bye. And I didnt condone anybody, you are just being dishonest. Homosexuals need therapy, just like sex addicts. I want to help them, I am not condoning anybody. You have no arguments then you just make stuff up. Typical. Milo Yiannopolous explains it great. Bye.

⁠@@justafellerwithnoprofilepi4546 ACTUALLY this is what the Bible says “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart”. this was thousands and thousands of years ago. Language was different. For example: would you call a worker a slave to the boss? And doesn’t the worker whim for the bosses every need like a slave? And anyone who is “condemning you” is not a real Christian. God is the one who decides.

@@justafellerwithnoprofilepi4546 I never condemned anyone, you are just being dishonest now. But thats typical; you dont like the truth and have no real arguments so you make stuff up. Kinda sad... Homosexuals need help just as sex addicts do. Telling someone they need help is actually showing them love. Enpowering their delusion like you do is doing them harm. All the best to you, Bye!

Romans 10:12-13 Corinthians 13:14

God still said its wrong

They feel hated just like an heroin addict feels hated The Bible says the wicked flees while no man pursues them Kinda like the people that think you are starring at them and you wasn't the whole time I hope this was help to you

Don't let people justify their sins by lying about what the Bible says !

⁠@@user-vl5cr2sv1tonly lies are yours

Premarital sex is also sin.

Study the history and you will know how foolish you are.

Im a athiest and the amount of times i been bashed by Christians on the internet and in real life is absurd, i do agree with you but its very rare

​@Nyesol My friends Trans and as a Christian I had to explain some stuff, she understood my reason and stuff cause she's use to all the Toxic Christian

@@Nyesolyeah because those aren’t real Christians

It's because she hates the people she disagrees with. She cannot see past her own reflection. That's why she judges the world so harshly. She's too aware of how flawed she is, and she needs everything in the world to be that flawed to appease her need and desire to love herself and have the pride that keeps her from being humble.

@@isaactelesco2141 Yea, you're right. I definitely would say she's feeling convicted of her sins. And I know that's an uncomfortable feeling, but that's why we have to humble ourselves and get over our pride/ego. For various reasons, some people have a harder time humbling themselves, some never humble themselves, and some people it comes easier. I've never really had a hard time with it personally. I tend to find it easy to admit when I'm wrong, although it can be uncomfortable in certain situations! Especially when it involves someone who already has an ego that's way too big! I just pray for them and keep it movin!

And/or you're intellectual inferior.

@@isaactelesco2141very well-said friend. as Christians we should love every… but some people don’t make it easy haha😂

@@WinterS0lstice Love is not an emotion or a feeling you get when someone makes you happy. It is the actions you Choose to better serve the virtues and true needs of your God, neighbour and family. Most of all your enemies. As a Christian we are called to claim no one as our enemy. But it would be foolish to say none will claim us as one. As such, our love is nothing so effervescent, fickle or flippant as an intuition or emotional boon. Love is way that we are called to live our lives. Love is a verb. Not a passive noun.

‭‭Psalm‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [5] The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭7:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [11] God judgeth the righteous, And God is angry with the wicked every day.

The bible never said that, Gandhi said it

@@SilentPestSolutionsGod is certainly angry at the wicked. The wicked are Demons

Most of them are also hypocrites since an adjacent scripture says not to eat shellfish. Have you ever tasted shrimp? I guess you're not getting into Heaven either then, oops.

@@rievaulxlucienne1176 I sure hope you don't believe what you just said

​@@rievaulxlucienne1176sorry brother but you don't know what you are talking about. I'll pray for you. Christ is king ♥️

if i am a gay person how can i deny myself love? of course i can't trust a person that tells me not to do something, i should study the scriptures, and of course it will be hard for me to trust that religion if that community wants to deny me love.

@@R.leo1110 are you saying gay people have special rights? They are exempt from having to deny their own lust? What makes you any different or special than anyone else straight, gay or anything for that matter? Everyone has their struggles and you are no different.

They were doing more than just that, fornicating, idol worship, sacrificing

the scriptures are often poorly translated and many say that sodom and gomorra were destroyed for reasons like lust, child r4pe and things like that, not homosexual love, and anyway even in the case it would be it i have no reason to deny myself love since i perceive it as tremendously wrong and an assault to my serenity, serenity is what is most important to me, whoever threatens it it be a human or a god i cannot tolerate it

​@@R.leo1110Sodom and Gomorrah was full of sin and depravity. Homosexuality was one of the many sins but it was major there, which is where the word Sodom comes from. Sodomites, meaning anal sex

@@R.leo1110 So you just wanna satisfy your flesh and the sinful desires of your flesh, and you're rebelling against God because your sinful desires of your flesh are in direct conflict with God's laws and the standards that He has set. So basically, you are your own god. God gives us all free will so you can choose to reject God's laws and rebel against Him. That's your right to make that choice. But you are confusing love and lust. The sinful desires of your flesh is lust.

@@R.leo1110 Also, you are correct that homosexuality wasn't the only sin going on in Sodom and Gomorrah but it was one of the main ones. Why do you think they were called "sodomites"??! Because they were doing sodomy!

Wrong is relative to perspective

you know there is a reason why i respect him more than most christians, he at least is coehernt and doesn't get played by foolish resentment, at least not in this context

​@@R.leo1110The problem is that you're putting "most" Christians in the same box

@@nicole_silvers it is not a problem, they are in the same box because they all dom't actually understand god and that's the only thing that matters

@@Headshotemile if you were to tell me 2+2 = 5 you are considered wrong. There’s no perspective needed.

Skill

you people don't understand that *shutting down" is how a normal conversation goes, he made a good point politely so the other person listens and thinks, shutting down sound like a mma fighting where one punched the other so hard he can't move, but it is a very wrong and dangerous imagery of how a conversations goes, you for your own health need to understand that a normal conversation is not a fight

@@R.leo1110 You just went off the deep end with that one! You literally made that up and then convinced yourself that they actually said what you made up! What is wrong with you??!

@@nicole_silvers show me an argument that sustain your claim, i know that what i was referring to is not what it was stated, but it is what most people do so this comment was addressing everyone. People that have blind faith driven by fear idealize a type of relationship they don't understand so they don't get how communication or love work and they start inventing things about how a relationshio or a conversation should go, it turns into how they talk to themselves and it becomes and infinite chain reaction of unfortunate events, if you connect the dots you'll see that what i said is logical

@@R.leo1110 To sustain my claim that you went off the deep end and made that up I'll refer you to re-read the original comment because they were clearly talking about him shutting down nonsense arguments that people throw at him and you twisted that into accusing them of handling conversations like an MMA fight! That's absurd and you know it!

Judging by this video, there's more hypocrisy in post educational institutions than in any church.

As a Christian this was a slap to the face. I wouldn’t say I hated the sinners but I certainly didn’t love them. I’ve been slowly getting the wake up call to love the righteous, but love the sinners more.

@@cheesedoodle7 Yes I know what you mean. However we should keep an open mind and love all of gods creations and try to show them the path to righteousness. It is not our place to judge others but to help spread the word of god. Whether it’s a drug addict, a racist, or other. We shouldn’t judge them for they will be judged by god. We should try and help them see the light of gods glory.

@@cheesedoodle7 God says that we are to love them.

Well first I wanna point out that the Bible doesn't say that we can't judge. It tells us not to judge hypocritically because we will be judged by those same standards, and it teaches us how to judge righteously. We can't condemn, but we can judge. The issue is that when someone says that homosexuality is a sin, then people who are homosexual get offended and say they are judging them. And like I said, we're allowed to judge, but simply stating that something is a sin is not judging. Those who get offended by it and feel judged are just feeling convicted because deep down they know it's a sin

So does that mean if you’ve had pre-marital sex you’re unwelcome as well? That kind of attitude turns people away from the word of God.

Well if you're having premarital sex in the church or that kind of behavior groping each other in church that's not acceptable there either. A church is like a hospital if you're a sinner you are welcome to come to that church. But if you're going to do disrespectful things that the Lord does not accept at the church like having sex in the bathroom or paying people to show you their naked body for money at the church yes any kind of behavior like that is unacceptable in any church anywhere two gay people kissing in a church in front of the congregation is unacceptable that's what I meant by my comment comment

@@user-vl5cr2sv1t Oh okay thank you for the clarification, I know what you mean. Respect the rules of the house you are a guest in.

I graduated from high school in McDowell county North Carolina with a C average. But I went to church all my life and my best preacher ever had his doctor's degree and Bible theology. It was a very smart man speaks several languages and could even read some of the hieroglyphics on the pyramids and he could talk in words a foot long and he could talk circles around lawyers judges anybody. He had a high IQ and a great education and he had a lot of wisdom as well you don't have to go to college to have a wisdom. And sometimes I'm too straightforward and doesn't candy coat things and it makes people upset and then sometimes I am a little harsh in how I present God's Word. So please forgive me for my harness or miscommunication. I prayed for two angels to come and save my life when two men had me at gun point. And I had faith and I believe God would send them. And God did. I'm alive today because of those two angels. The two guys with guns saw me fall to my death.but when one of them saw me at work the next time I went to work he thought I was a ghost and kept falling to the ground and said no no I saw you die and that's when I realized the Angels blinded these two guys as eyes mind's. I tried to touch the man to let him know I was real but he just kept back peddling and falling to the ground and getting back up and finally he ran out of the factory and quit his job. And there's more to the story about his mom being sent to me by the sheriff and what happened afterwards his other buddy quit his job too and I guess both of them no longer got caught up in the drug cartel. I truly believe that I didn't know the guy personally but his mom came to me asking me to help and I did and God did !

Why should I respect someone who thinks I’m an abomination?

he doesn't destroy it, he only shows compassion and politeness unlike you.

​@@R.leo1110How do you figure they're not being polite? We're not going to sugar coat things just because some people have fragile feelings and get easily offended

@@nicole_silvers politeness is responsibility, it's not sugar coating, in differenr context people have differenr responsibilities, there was no act of insulting so he had no meaning to vent an emotion or act defensive, it was his responsibility to manage his emotions and he succeded, he choosed not to get offended at nothing and that showed maturity, if you study a bit of psychology you'll understand better

@@R.leo1110 What makes you think that I don't understand??! You basically said the same thing that I said except your comment was the long version of what I said! 🤦

@@nicole_silvers i did not say what you said, nor did i say you didn't understand. but i put in order your vague ideas, or at least i tried, and also corrected you on the meaning of politeness that is not sugar coating. And also now that i re read it i find it difficult to understand the start of your first comment, i did;kt say he was impolite, i literally said the opposite, maybe we both misinterpreted.

it's not against his beliefs to love, he loves exactly because his beliefs says so, all the other christians that don't love are hypocrites and aren't following their religion

@@R.leo1110 That's true! We have disagreed on everything else but I do agree with what you said in this comment! I'm glad we agree on at least one thing!

​@@R.leo1110Yes, I agree with you on that. We are hypocrites if we hate people. We are hypocrites if we judge others. "Judge not lest you be judged" is even what it says in the Bible. But that does not mean God will let everything listed in Leviticus 18 and 1 Corinthians 6 tolerant. If you are going to hell then it is your choice because of your selfishness and because of your flesh, not because God wants us to go to hell. We go to hell because we CHOOSE to go to hell when we choose our fleshly desires OVER Jesus Christ. Effeminacy is wrong, homosexuality is wrong, bloodlust is wrong, hatred is wrong, lust is wrong, murder is wrong. The worst wrong is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. If you decide to be a homosexual and a Christian, then you are technically choosing your fleshly desires over the desires of God. Because even God said so in Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" but also, since because of God's love for us, He sent Christ to die for us, and all through Christ can be saved, no matter if you were a murderer or a war criminal or a homosexual or even a Satanic worshipper, God will accept your repentance and you will have chosen the love of Christ over yourself and your sins and your sins no matter how atrocious shall will be forgiven by God Himself because you bowed to Christ and loved and accepted Him.

@@PhantomGuard-bx1gm you seem to not understand the implications of making a choice, choice requires intention, intention requires will, free will requires conscience. Since i don't believe i have better options than living my life according to what i understand to be true and just i can't lie to myself, i would never trust my whole life and my whole hope and wishes for something i don't understand to be true, and while i understand most other things (in ways most christians don't since they revealed to be very unknowledgeable about the true nature of God), i can certainly understand what sin is and how to avoid it, but i cannot trust a believer that is also a sinner on a fact i don't know to be bad on a reasonable level, and since it's the same if i do it on my mind or in the physical reality because since i understand what sin is i know it's both in one's mind i won't prohibit myself something for no reason also considering that i would be hurting no one, also remember that we are not superconsious beings we all son and you are sinner probably as much as an homosexual in a topic you don't know much. Basically since the topic is extremely heavy i necessarily have to be coherent with the path i'm taking that is a path of seeking truth, and i have several reasons not to trust your words other than the fact that nobody was ever able to explain why it is bad on a reasonable level, best i can do is continue reading the bible interpreting it with all the virtues of God i learned, many say chastity will be the answer, that would mean abandoning every possible romantical relation, abandoning my dreams, i can't do anythinf if it isn't reasonable and it's because we probably have differenr understandings of what God is, while i come from a logical and spiritual perspective you probably come from religious indoctrination, totally different things, that's why my faith is in the truth and my path is about seeking it while yours is more focuse on what they teached you was God, unlike you i don't trust random people on matters they can't explain, and i won't bow randomly to some idea i can't conceive, i will always be honest to myself

@@R.leo1110 We go to hell because it's our choice because we chose to live our lives separate from God. God gave us free will to believe in Christ or refuse to believe in Christ and live separately from Him.

mafia? You mean to say that love is a criminal action? Of course its representatives are doing an awful job in america but still your comment is just petty

True Christians love everyone. Disagreeing with homosexuality doesn't equal hatred

@@nicole_silvers true, but what you said doesn't apply in this situation, the meaning of love includes respect, respect means absence of insults, provocations, projections, frustration and resentment. Respect is acceptance of a situation or a person if if you don't like it, respect means letting things and people do their doing while you do yours with your boundaries, respect doesn't work well with prejudice. Disagreeing is something you do inside yourself and it doesn't indicate much of an action. On the other hand fighting against a certain thing is not just disagreeing, it's intolerance, something more, so be honest with yourself and say what you want to say, only then what you think will become constructive and not destructive.

@@nicole_silvers and for your information those christians you are talking about are rare.

@@nicole_silvers also be aware that the way you talk to others is a reflection of how you talk to yourself inwards. Shame does no good to you, have trust instead, trust that you will learn that you will overcome very obstacle, Trust and faith, that's what you need, what you need shame for, to make you afraid? That feeling would only make me resentful and unsatisfied in the past, luckily i moved past that and learned more.

Seems like you're giving your own opinion and saying it was a friend who said it. You're wrong by the way. It is a sin

That’s a simple way of saying I hate how you act and making you change who you are to better there life ?

@@blue1231000who you are? sinful activities doesn’t have to be who you are, you make it that way

your parents did well, it's really rare for me to hear that, usually parents beat their own children and force them to do and believe things against their will

​@@taternater7495 it doesn't work that way for being gay since it is an inherent part of your identity you end developing in childhood, i don't choose who i love, i love who i love, to not do that sin means to deny myself love for eternity, and it's not something i can tolerate.

​​@@R.leo1110You are rebelling against God because you love your sin. God gives us free will so you're free to make that choice but I would choose wisely if I were you because this is about your eternity! Indulging in lust may feel good to you now but eternity is a LONG time!

Why is it a hard topic? I'd say it's really simple because the Bible makes it very clear

​@nicole_silvers This 'Sin' is unique, amongst other things, because those who have same sex attractions essentially have to deny their flesh on a whole other level than heterosexuals. Being in love, marrying, having ANY type of sexual release? All off the table - such a huge chunk of the human experience denied. So of course it's difficult to discuss, let's not be daft and have a little empathy?

@@soulfullyone1233 Homosexuality is not a unique sin. It's no different than any other sexual perversion/sexual sin. Another reason it's not unique is because God calls for us all to deny our flesh, regardless if we're straight or homosexual. And sex related sins aren't about love, it's all about lust, and that shows in your comment where you said "sexual release". You're confusing love and lust.

@@soulfullyone1233 It's not unique. We all have to deny our flesh, regardless of sexual preferences. I know you'd like to think that homosexuals have it so much worse than everybody else but that's ridiculous

@@nicole_silvers Not my point at all... you seem to disregard it as not being a 'difficult' topic when it's this very coldness in your remark that turn so many young people especially who are apart of the lgbtq community, away from Christ. This topic should be addressed compassionately and not dismissively like you've demonstrated here. Yes we all struggle with the flesh but within the context of this specific topic, it's a hard topic in today's culture.

It just makes my skin crawl the thought of 2 men kissing not even fuckin but actually loving each other seems so morally off-putting. Like a dark skin and a pretty white girl.

God created Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Adam, not Eve and Eve. It is clearly written in the bible that being Homosexual is a sin. God still loves you and it’s not too late to turn back to him.

Says they don't like books by men Compares God to a male author Hmm..... (And Dr. Sus want the best person...)

@@abraham_pilled3604 So you don't believe history books either then because they're written by men. The difference between the Bible and history books though is that the Bible was written by men inspired by God, while history books were written by men not inspired by God and who had reason to lie

The people in this comment section… the op clearly doesn’t have a problem with men writing anything except religious texts which is fair. Y’all want to assume this applies to all things written by men which is just dumb. The Bible has 4 people (Matthew, John, Luke, and Paul) telling the same story with different renditions because you aren’t supposed to believe everything at face value and you’re supposed to question things. 1st Timothy says women should be subservient but there’s also that bit about all people being created equal so which one is it? Obviously women should be equal and be treated the same as anyone else so many Christians even would say fuck what’s being said in 1st Timothy. Stop trying to convert or “save” people because of who they love or are attracted too it’s not lust it’s who they are. I’m not gay and I was raised Christian but so many of you zealots who take everything at face value are why some people from the homosexual community have issues with the church and because you want them to deny who they are you’ll never be able to see eye to eye.

It's late at night so I might be reading this wrong cause I'm tired but I think you're saying that he's wrong with what he said so I want to clarify with a saying I read that aligns with what I think you're trying to say, "love the sinner, hate the sin".

⁠@@soldiersgr996but most Christians don’t love the sinner, they do condemn homosexuals. I’ve seen a lot of accounts of gay people coming out to their family and being disowned, and I’ve seen society actively persecute homosexuals. I’m not gay, but if I can accept homosexuality and see that there is a lack of sin in true genuine love between two consenting adults, then what is stopping you? This is one of the times where I have to disagree with the Bible, while animals are meant to procreate, and multiply their seed- we are humans. We have reached the point where there will always be homosexuals, and there will always be heterosexuals. If you fear the extinction of the human race because of homosexuality what does that say about you? If you disagree, you’re unaware just how much hate you create by saying homosexuality is against the Bible. I have listened, I have examined, and on this accord it is controversial.

If there are bad parts don’t follow it, but if there are parts that you just don’t like then that’s different, there is nothing bad about the Bible, you deny yourself pick up your cross and follow Him ☦️

@@dreaddshorts Jesus said to love thy neighbor as thyself. If somebody cannot accept the love of two consenting adults then how judgmental must they be?

@@treheron I stand by the dude in the short, I have a gay friend and I love and except him, I don't know much about others because not many people in my area are Christian to my knowledge but if you're a true Christian you should love everybody but even I don't love everybody so I'm not, I have a strong disliking to people who do drugs because of where I was raised and what I've seen and I don't think I can love them ever but gay as a concept though is something I'm not familiar with and I don't exactly agree with it personally from my view mainly cause I don't love dudes like that but at least I can understand it and except it as reality that it's here to stay and people are gonna be gay. I don't really hate it personally and I think it's fine not to hate a sin so long as you don't actually do it but you forget the bible is really old (at least a 2 thousand years old from my understanding but it can be much older) so stuff like that back then was not seen as normal, kinda like the controversial talk of slavery in the Bible but not only (based on my brief knowledge of history back then) was it actually a line of work back then and mostly voluntary, the Jews were also slaves themselves once so I don't see them doing the same harsh ways as some other cultures back then. Also the bible says to love your slaves and treat them kindly like anyone else as well but anyways my point is days back then are so different to now and primarily American views don't work well with the Bible and things aren't gonna sound great without context like sins and sinners. Just my view but I think I stayed true to what I believe in while overall just being a good person

Exactly, I don't see any other rational thinking or any moral reason for it being wrong or a "sin" other than some Vague bible scripture with no Elaborations within the text whatsoever.. Just seems like their only go to proof for it is being: "Its in the bible, so theirfore, it Must be true".

Jesus is God, remember?

and that means i should deny myself love for eternity?

​@@R.leo1110You're confusing love with lust

God doesn't hate them equally, is killing someone, the same as lying to someone? At least someone didn't die. Like in the old testament, if a master's ox killed a slave, he would have to pay, but if a master's ox kills a man, the master must die

Another couple good verses that say a similar thing are Leviticus 18:22 and 1 Corinthians 6:9

homosexuality is not an act, to be homosexual is to be such, it is part of your identity, denying homosexuality means to deny myself love for eternity, i wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

​@@R.leo1110That's not love. It's lust. You're confused.

a what?

castrating means harming, it has no social functiong other than being beaten up by me and people who share my will.

@@R.leo1110 To remove the testicles of (a male); geld or emasculate. To remove the ovaries of (a female); spay. To deprive of virility or spirit; emasculate.