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Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

Give Me An Answer with Stuart & Cliffe Knechtle

2 ай бұрын

Give Me An Answer: In this episode Cliffe Knechtle talks to college students about the reliability of Jesus and the New Testament Scriptures.
Recorded - Spring 1999
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The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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@SquattRakk
@SquattRakk 2 ай бұрын
That second guy was so angry. I’m sure he wouldn’t be that upset when talking about Muhammad or Buddha. It’s surprising how much even speaking about Jesus shakes people to the core ❤️✝️
@caprice5841
@caprice5841 2 ай бұрын
@@Theo_Skeptomaidid you watch the video?
@skyguysreactions
@skyguysreactions 2 ай бұрын
@@Theo_SkeptomaiALL people.
@myageis8888
@myageis8888 2 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to make this a reply, there was no other way to make a comment. I just watch Cliff say that the Bible is not the word of God. 😢 I can't BELIEVE he just said that! I think arguing with these people for so long is making him back petal. I hope he has an entire church or community pray over him every Sunday, at least, if not a couple times a week...❤
@skyguysreactions
@skyguysreactions 2 ай бұрын
@@myageis8888 That was also a raised flag for me. 😢
@knxcholx
@knxcholx 2 ай бұрын
@@myageis8888 1999 was over 20 years ago
@dopestpost
@dopestpost 2 ай бұрын
Cliff has planted so many seeds in his decades long sacrifice on behalf of these young men and women. Praise Jesus. Thank you, Cliff! And son!!! 🤍
@wolfie5
@wolfie5 Ай бұрын
Thanking him for what - he is just collecting money
@dopestpost
@dopestpost Ай бұрын
@@wolfie5 planting seeds.
@stephenomosa4405
@stephenomosa4405 Ай бұрын
He has unmatched humility, resilience and patience
@aaronwalsh2046
@aaronwalsh2046 Ай бұрын
You could tell the second person was angry, but it was because he was frustrated not understanding that inside of himself there was something missing. He knew that but did not know how to express it but God was working out the knots. God bless cliff
@Orange6921
@Orange6921 23 күн бұрын
He was also factually wrong on everything he said. HE though the Bible was based on something written in the 13th century. He was clueless to any basic facts on this topic.
@jameelhambrick9041
@jameelhambrick9041 20 күн бұрын
​@@Orange6921I disagree, change my mind. What are you talking about? Don't just claim someone is wrong, explain logically and factually why.
@ultramarinechaplain88
@ultramarinechaplain88 2 ай бұрын
The fact that students clap at such a silly argument is crazy
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 2 ай бұрын
No, it was quite logical and reasonable. All Cliffe said was the gospels are historically accurate which is a lie!
@lex_and_stuff
@lex_and_stuff 2 ай бұрын
@@mirandahotspring4019what's your alternative/why do you believe it to be false?
@pedrogomespg.5882
@pedrogomespg.5882 2 ай бұрын
@@mirandahotspring4019 dam u mad 😂😂. Ok miranda, you believe in Napoleon? You belive that he existed? If yes than you are a hypocrite
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 2 ай бұрын
@@pedrogomespg.5882 Typical straw man! I didn't make any claim about the historicity of Jesus, just that the gospels are not accurate historical records. Or maybe you believe the dead rose from their graves and walked amongst the living. Cliffe is the hypocrite, but then, hypocrisy is the Vaseline of religious intercourse!
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 2 ай бұрын
@@lex_and_stuff The gospels are not historical records, but based on earlier esoteric beliefs. There are obvious parallels with earlier religious figures. They are also not, as Cliffe claims, eyewitness accounts. Virtually all serious biblical scholars agree on that. OK, there may well have been a wandering preacher called Yeshua, who was killed by the Romans, but everything else is purely fiction. How do you think the writers of Mathew and Luke knew what words Jesus spoke when he was alone in the wilderness being tempted by the devil? Did they track down the devil and interview him? Remember, these gospels were written decades later.
@BotvsBots
@BotvsBots 2 ай бұрын
Christ is King
@MajorasThirdEye
@MajorasThirdEye 2 ай бұрын
Forever and ever AMEN
@Amb-Rose777
@Amb-Rose777 2 ай бұрын
Amen❤
@dperkins01
@dperkins01 2 ай бұрын
Assertion
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 2 ай бұрын
Actually, he's dead!
@pedrogomespg.5882
@pedrogomespg.5882 2 ай бұрын
@@mirandahotspring4019ok miranda 😂😂 you know more than everybody. Contrats kid
@iroh6730
@iroh6730 2 ай бұрын
Not even letting cliffe talk smh but I’m glad the Holy Spirit is with cliffe
@fl9667
@fl9667 2 ай бұрын
Its so simple, the creation never give value to itself. Its always the creator who give value to his creation.
@JuiceMann11
@JuiceMann11 2 ай бұрын
@@Theo_Skeptomai this entire planet… order & design requires an intelligent mind behind it. You have NEVER once in your life seen order & design appear on its own. I don’t understand how ppl have a hard time grasping this lol.
@JuiceMann11
@JuiceMann11 Ай бұрын
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf the designer did reveal himself. God came to Earth as a man in human form; Jesus Christ. But I’m not even going to get into this with you cause I already know u don’t believe in the Bible or Jesus. So I’m not wasting my time going back & forth with atheists. Jesus love you.
@JuiceMann11
@JuiceMann11 Ай бұрын
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf God and Jesus are one. Ever heard of the trinity? The Father, the son, the Holy Spirit (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit) are all ONE being. But God is able to separate that. It doesn’t make sense to the human mind because the human brain doesn’t have the capacity or intelligence to grasp that concept. God isn’t limited to what we’re limited too. Hes the creator. He is outside of time, space, & matter. Jesus has ALWAYS been with God. That’s why in John 8:58, Jesus says “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” God is eternal. He has no beginning nor end. God isn’t limited to time like we are. If God creating this entire planet, what makes u think God coming down to Earth would be a hard thing for him? That would be as easy as us taking a breath of fresh air. Nothing is impossible for God.
@JuiceMann11
@JuiceMann11 Ай бұрын
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf God created us all with a brain that can understand him, IF we open our hearts to him. If you’re close minded & have a hardened heart about the possibility of God existing, then you will always reject all evidence of his existence. You have to have an open heart & not be bias. I came to a point in my life where I didn’t believe in Jesus. But then I decided to do my own research & not be bias. Ppl reject God because we don’t want to turn away from the sin/sins we enjoy. That’s why they say “sin is sweet.” Believing in God means you have to turn away from the sins that your flesh desires. And most ppl don’t want to do that. They want to be their own God & make their own rules for themselves. Which God gives you the free will to do that. But just know there will be consequences for your actions on judgement day. We will all be judged individually by God. It’s up to you whether you chose to look at the evidence of Jesus Christ & have faith that he really died for our sins.
@JuiceMann11
@JuiceMann11 Ай бұрын
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf Man didn’t sin first. It was Lucifer. The story of Lucifer's fall from grace is rooted in pride and rebellion against God. According to Isaiah 14:12-14, Lucifer desired to elevate himself above his Creator and sought to claim the position and authority that rightfully belonged to God alone. This led to his eventual expulsion from heaven, along with a group of angels who chose to follow him in his rebellion (Revelation 12:7-9). Those angels are now known as demons. The answer is two-fold. For one thing, God could have made a world with no evil in it. However, it would have been one of robots and puppets-creatures who could not love Him or anyone else. Love is possible only for free moral creatures; forced love is a contradiction. So, in order for the world to be morally good, it must be morally free. And free creatures are capable of free choices that bring disease, disaster and death. This is the world in which we live.
@ALLIANCE7able
@ALLIANCE7able 2 ай бұрын
I love Cliffe...may God continue to fill you with his spirit.
@2016JC
@2016JC 2 ай бұрын
These kids are critical thinkers and they have open hearts and minds. Cliff must have planted many seeds throughout the years.
@jasonnoble7302
@jasonnoble7302 2 ай бұрын
Hopefully not
@floop5734
@floop5734 Ай бұрын
@@jasonnoble7302why not
@jasonnoble7302
@jasonnoble7302 Ай бұрын
@@floop5734 Because Christianity is immoral
@jerodwilson.
@jerodwilson. Ай бұрын
@@floop5734Because misery loves company
@jordanbfromsk5191
@jordanbfromsk5191 2 ай бұрын
This was a great way to start the morning, listening on my drive.
@songzandwatnot
@songzandwatnot 2 ай бұрын
I can’t just die never seeing Cliff live in action. Praying he comes to UC or OSU so I can see him work on people from my state.
@justsomeguy9452
@justsomeguy9452 22 күн бұрын
This is the third time I’ve listened to this amazing ask cliffe. I love how this kid is getting applause because he’s saying the typical talking points with passion, but cliffe just spits absolute facts right back at him.
@GloryToMaLordGod
@GloryToMaLordGod 2 ай бұрын
God is king tomorrow today and yesterday, bless you all ✝️👑🐑❤️
@user-dl9jl6ws7y
@user-dl9jl6ws7y 2 ай бұрын
GOD BLESS CLIFFE !!!! PATIENCE IS A GIFT AND HE HAS IT!!!! ❤️🌹💕❤️🌹💕💯
@nosh-kami
@nosh-kami 2 ай бұрын
We should all be bothered by the weakness of the human condition. It gives me a pit-in-the-stomach feeling considering how easy it is for us (humans) to applaud someone simply because they speak adamantly about their premise, supporting it with expletives and an authoritative tone, yet having no real logical basis, and an obvious lack of understanding for how any of it works. I am referring to the guy arguing against the historicity of the gospels, of course. The clip here was shortened, so I'm not sure how the rest of Cliffe's conversation with him went, but I hope Cliffe got a chance to explain that the guy's position would require that we discard virtually any of our historical knowledge.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 2 ай бұрын
i don't think the guy is saying we should discard all historical knowledge, only things which make outrageous supernatural claims without any credible evidence.
@nosh-kami
@nosh-kami 2 ай бұрын
@@bonnie43uk Hey! Thanks for replying. Totally see where you're coming from, but whether he means to say it or not, it is a logical conclusion of his argument. I think that's what I was trying to get at.
@georgewagner7787
@georgewagner7787 Ай бұрын
​@@bonnie43uk but the documents are the credible evidence. If you allow anti supernatural presupposition of worldview to influence your interpretation, you will not come to correct conclusions
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk Ай бұрын
@@georgewagner7787I'm not sure what you mean by "anti supernatural presuppositions" ? I base things on what I observe, and I do not observe anything supernatural.
@ChicagoMillingCo.
@ChicagoMillingCo. Ай бұрын
@@bonnie43uk The documents are eye witness accounts of a super natural occurrence. What Cliff kept trying to explain to the angry dude was the high degree of certainty of said documents based on cross examination where if one person had made up certain parts of the story, that version of the story would not match that of another writer's. Much of accepted history is written in this exact same way and I can't think of many other examples of super natural events that are backed up historically in this manner.
@NewCreationInChrist896
@NewCreationInChrist896 2 ай бұрын
“The Kingdom of America,” that’s interesting, because a lot of people act like that. John 14:6 👑💕
@datcookiedough7255
@datcookiedough7255 2 ай бұрын
What a hard thing to do. Trying to lead people to water. Just for them to deny. Thats all this ever comes down to. Acceptance or denial.
@WizzRacing
@WizzRacing 2 ай бұрын
You can almost pick the top 20 questions they will bring up. They have not changed in 400 years of debates..
@thepeej5
@thepeej5 2 ай бұрын
Because they’ve never been answered convincingly.
@WizzRacing
@WizzRacing 2 ай бұрын
@@thepeej5 What question you think has not been answer? You was a little vague on that part...
@jasonnoble7302
@jasonnoble7302 2 ай бұрын
@@WizzRacing Why does God permit evil things to occur right now if he is good?
@WizzRacing
@WizzRacing 2 ай бұрын
@@jasonnoble7302 Not an Argument. As you deposited that Good and Evil exist to even make the Assertion. So if evil and good exist. Then so does a God..If no God exist. Then that leaves only humans to blame for suffering. So which is it. Does God exist pr not? Then make your argument. You don't get both..
@jasonnoble7302
@jasonnoble7302 2 ай бұрын
@@WizzRacing God does not exist Good and not good are Erving the universal structure The universal structure exists outside of space and time I’m not making a scientific claim I’m making a worldview belief claim So you’re completely wrong when you say God is necessary for me to know good from not good Now my question is
@McSmurfy
@McSmurfy 2 ай бұрын
I think the dude talking to Cliffe in the second part was not being open minded and just didn't want to understand what is being said.
@smallboi813
@smallboi813 2 ай бұрын
im happy to see all these christian people in this comment section
@Darealces
@Darealces 7 күн бұрын
The patience and knowledge you have brother cliff is truly admirable
@kentonhitchcock1521
@kentonhitchcock1521 Ай бұрын
Cliffe and Stuart... Thank you! God Love you and Bless you in Christ Jesus Amen
@starkiddo83
@starkiddo83 2 ай бұрын
Man, this kid is so frustrated. God bless you, Cliff. Praying seeds of faith were planted in these kids. So many people who argue, or claim to be an atheist, with these questions, have never opened the Bible. All the answers are in there, and the same types of people have always existed. That's why Ecclesiastes 1:9 states, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.".
@WizzRacing
@WizzRacing 2 ай бұрын
I find the one that makes the most noise. Is the one that was hurt by religious person. That claimed to speak for God..Jeff Fenholt is a good example of the damage these types do. As he was willing to accept Jesus Christ. The preacher told him to leave..
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 2 ай бұрын
not so sure about atheists not opening a bible, it was reading what was in the actual bible that played a big part in me rejecting Christianity.
@mirandahotspring4019
@mirandahotspring4019 2 ай бұрын
Most atheists are generally more knowledgeable than most Christians. Reading the bible convinced me to become an atheist.
@pedrogomespg.5882
@pedrogomespg.5882 2 ай бұрын
@@bonnie43uk you are a elder man and you rejected Christianity without even understanding it. Its no just read. There is lot more. One of this would be asking the holy spirit to open your mind. But i dont think you are open to this discussion
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 2 ай бұрын
@@pedrogomespg.5882 Hi Pedro, everyone who reads the Bible has their own opinion about different Bible passages, I rejected it after being raised into the Christian faith. Even Christians themselves come to different conclusions as to what it says, most Christians here in the UK do not accept the Adam and Eve story as being an historical event, they accept that it's probably an allegorical tale that tries to explain how we got here. Absolutely I'm open to this discussion, I tend to accept the scientific explanation as opposed to a supernatural explanation.
@theaccountant8062
@theaccountant8062 2 ай бұрын
It's hilarious seeing the students staring back at Cliff not knowing that they're not debating on the same level and they don't realize the intellectual consequences of their positions. No matter how much you explain to them.
@j_p_jr.487
@j_p_jr.487 2 ай бұрын
That's why Cliffe does this at colleges. He loses debates with people who know actual facts. Every. Single. Time.
@Pepe-tt9ux
@Pepe-tt9ux 2 ай бұрын
I don't think the point of all this is "winning a debate". It's so the young people and even teachers can ask questions about christ and the faith and get an answer.
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 2 ай бұрын
@@Pepe-tt9ux do you think the students who debated Cliffe went away convinced of his arguments Pepe?
@Stanified
@Stanified 2 ай бұрын
@@j_p_jr.487cliffe is the one speaking facts
@j_p_jr.487
@j_p_jr.487 2 ай бұрын
@@Stanified LOL! Why does Cliffe always use the same example of fiction with "once upon a time in the land of Nod, Wink and Blink and Nod took a boat ride" when the land of Nod is an actual place in the bible? It's where Cain went after murdering his brother. Is the land of Nod fiction or not?
@MiaGipson7
@MiaGipson7 20 күн бұрын
This genuinely is one of the best ones that I’ve seen
@mikerussell2590
@mikerussell2590 2 ай бұрын
Cliff is on fire in this one! the Holy Spirit at work.
@paulpatriot1776
@paulpatriot1776 Ай бұрын
“ the 1st was written I’m sure a long time ago” That response reveals a lot.
@sherihepworth8253
@sherihepworth8253 Ай бұрын
This was a delight to listen to! Praise the Lord!
@tersan5043
@tersan5043 2 ай бұрын
This sounds stupid but I’m realizing Cliffs PATIENCE comes from the gospel. Clearly he remembers EVERY CHRISTIAN was at enmity (war) with God until Jesus REVEALED Himself and gave us the ability to understand spiritual knowledge. My frustration comes from unwarranted pride in that knowledge. Cliff remembers if they don’t “get it”…they will die and wake up to screaming…
@terrordude11
@terrordude11 2 ай бұрын
It's not stupid, it's an insightful observation of the circumstances. Keep up the good work
@myageis8888
@myageis8888 2 ай бұрын
Cliffs says the Bible is not the word of GOD. Why would he say this?? There is NO REASON for him to be out here telling these folks the GOSPEL, OTHER THAN THE GOSPEL😱❣️
@tersan5043
@tersan5043 2 ай бұрын
@@myageis8888 gotta keep the CONTEXT of his entire ministry. Cliff isn’t trying to PROVE Jesus. These are unbelievers. Just like we used to be, they simply CANNOT understand spiritual things until Christ reveals Himself to them. So Cliff is both preaching the Gospel AND answering the inevitable questions that challenge his faith. He’s saying, “I’m not trying to CONVINCE you the Bible is the word of God. I’m trying to get you to THINK beyond what the world has stuffed down your throat. Be open, do your own work searching, and you’ll decide for yourself because the Bible WILL show you what I’m telling you here about Christ and the cross is true.” I like Cliff.
@aliciap23
@aliciap23 Ай бұрын
@@myageis8888that’s not what he said. He said, “I never said [in the argument] that the Bible is the Word of God.” For arguments sake, he never said that, but obviously he believes, since he is a believer that the Bible is indeed the Word of God. It sounded strange. But if you were to go up to him and ask, “do you believe the Bible is the word of God?” He would undoubtedly say yes.
@jameelhambrick9041
@jameelhambrick9041 20 күн бұрын
Beautifully said, that helped me. Glory to God.
@rhetty1
@rhetty1 2 ай бұрын
Cliffe you gotta bring back the OG give me an answer song!
@aarongreene4067
@aarongreene4067 Ай бұрын
ive seen most of these videos. the passion in this one chokes me up. wow, i love you God. cliffe was hitting home with this one. btw ive been calling him cliffe netchle this entire time. i didnt think his last name was pronounced like that lol
@firebeard7
@firebeard7 7 күн бұрын
Cliff's self control is so admirable!
@Alex.Walker.
@Alex.Walker. Ай бұрын
The fact that people get this upset about stuff when they clearly haven't done any kind of research on themselves is astounding. so many people living off their emotions instead of thinking things through first.
@claudiawangfitness
@claudiawangfitness 2 ай бұрын
Some people really overestimate their intellect lol… Cliffe is such a pleasure to witness consistently. I could never do this as eloquently and I stay in my lane, but my goodness it’s wonderful to watch him and challenge myself to study more and show myself approved as the Bible says.
@stevenwalter5741
@stevenwalter5741 Ай бұрын
May God Bless you Cliff. You handled yourself well against this angry young college student. All of us know, who watch you, the truth; those of us who are Christians and have walked in the light and continue to, and have experienced Christ’s love, mercy and grace. Keep up the great work my brother in Christ and thank you from the bottom of my heart. You’re taking the Truth into the lion’s den and being very patient in bringing light to these evil institutions.
@kethkoth-wb6sw
@kethkoth-wb6sw 2 ай бұрын
Atleast we have to know how to respect our elders......God bless❤❤❤❤❤ Amen!🙏🙏
@Amb-Rose777
@Amb-Rose777 2 ай бұрын
Jesus is God👑🌍
@Nemesis-Snow
@Nemesis-Snow Ай бұрын
Can't wait to spend eternity with you my brothers and sisters in Christ. God bless you all ❤
@candrella100
@candrella100 Ай бұрын
God bless you brother
@justinphen966
@justinphen966 Ай бұрын
That “heh” from the audience at 22:22 was perfection
@EchoGuzman
@EchoGuzman 2 ай бұрын
Clifee spiting that hot fire 🔥
@jeremyweir2216
@jeremyweir2216 2 ай бұрын
Bless you all ❤
@sinnersavedbygrace1407
@sinnersavedbygrace1407 2 ай бұрын
When I watch the older videos, I wonder about the people Cliff spoke to. Did they choose to start following Christ at some point or did they follow down the their own path? Praying their hearts are open to the Gospel!
@aaronwalsh2046
@aaronwalsh2046 Ай бұрын
First guy asked good questions & received great answers
@rogermagano4205
@rogermagano4205 Ай бұрын
Very nice content.
@YENKOGT
@YENKOGT 2 ай бұрын
In this one cliff went hard!
@Kimkong2
@Kimkong2 18 күн бұрын
So many people conflate the lack of opportunity to do bad as them therefore being good. Whenever i read about people doing bad stuff today or in history, my thought is always "would i, in the same situation have done any different or better?"
@sirpoppinchuck
@sirpoppinchuck 2 ай бұрын
Now if someone recorded this young man's conversation that day n wrote it down n it was his friend n told others he had this conversation someone 50 years later would say "how can you say that you weren't there?" So because you weren't there it makes it invalid? That's why we have witnesses n historical documents and artifacts. It did happen!!!
@FortNdubisi
@FortNdubisi 2 ай бұрын
My mood when I see a new cliffs video uploaded📈📈📈
@Maikigai
@Maikigai 2 ай бұрын
The NT is history, prophecy, and commentary. Traditionally there are 4 gospels, but I would argue that Revelation is the fifth Gospel because in spite of all the wrath and judgment, for believers it holds good news and a message of hope and redemption. The first 4 gospels along with Acts are largely historical. Everything else is commentary. I say that because the Apostles had no authority to add or subtract from the core message of the Torah and/or Gospels; only to explain them on more personal levels towards their respective audiences (I.e. Romans, Corinthians, etc.). When considered like this, it allows for us to remember that Paul, for example, was a believer and follower of Christ - NOT ON PAR WITH HIM. So we can consider what he says as true, but also to be taken with a grain of salt. An example of this is when he informs that women not speak in gatherings. This is a direct command to that specific audience and not the whole of all believers. Christ never commanded this, nor did God Almighty. We know this is a localized instance because Scripture records female prophetesses as well as women who did preach and started churches (such as Lydia). Point being, as I stated earlier, the NT expands upon the OT (it does not replace it), and is comprised of history, prophecy, and commentary.
@spacecoastz4026
@spacecoastz4026 2 ай бұрын
*Everything else is commentary* No. Everything is the Word of God....and either you believe this or the bible is just "opinion" of man. If that's the case you might as well just throw it away. Have you not read Galatians, where Paul talks about being given the Gospel message of Salvation by the risen Christ himself, and not through human wisdom and words? It's not about "taken with a grain of salt" but rather understanding the audience and context. 11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians chapter 1 6 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 2 Timothy chapter 3
@Maikigai
@Maikigai 2 ай бұрын
@@spacecoastz4026 Ok, let’s reason this out. 1. Your reference to 2 Tim. was written at a time when there was no NT. The only scriptures that existed at the time were the OT. As far as Paul was concerned, he was writing a letter to the believers in Galatia and (as with all his writings) pointing them back to the OT (what Messiah also did). 2. The Law of God (Torah) as well as the Messiah said (commanded) that nothing be added to or subtracted from what was said. Then Paul, Peter, etc. writes a bunch of “books” as we call them today adding to them? No, they were only reiterating what was already said and not at all adding to them. If they were adding, then they are false prophets. They had *no* authority to add or subtract from already established commands. In fact, neither did Messiah because according to Deuteronomy 13, if he did or said anything at all to add or subtract from God’s Law, we are supposed to consider him a false prophet. 3. Now, why are the letters of the apostles commentary? For one, they were never writing to all believers. That’s why they are letters to specific people-groups. An example would be the passage I referenced about “your” not “all” women. But if you look at those letters, you’ll see such comments like, “what a wretch I am!” Well… the man is either saved or he isn’t… which is it? He’s a wretch or born again - pick one. They both can’t be true. Second, Paul tells some of the people he writes to to greet one another with a “holy kiss” (ex. 2 Cor. 13:12); do you take that as a command from God? Do you even do that? When you see other believers who don’t, do you correct them and remind them that Paul told us (though he didn’t tell the world to do so) to greet each other with holy kisses? I’m willing to bet you don’t. Another point is his instruction in Col. 4:17, “Tell Archippus ‘see to it that you complete the service you have received in the Lord, that you may fulfill it.’” Have you sought out anyone by that name to tell them that message? Not likely. How about the letters to be sent in Revelation to those seven churches? Do those locations, nearly 2,000 years later, still require to be preached those messages? Is Laodicia still “lukewarm”? Point being in this respect; no, not everything is “the word of God” in the letters of the apostles. Their core message is enlightening and relevant, to repent, obey God’s Law, etc… but all they were meant to do was add commentary. Messiah did much the same in his teachings because, as I stated before, he nor anyone had the authority to add or subtract from the Law of God. But he did expand upon them. An example of that is how the Law tells us not to commit adultery; Messiah explained that it isn’t just a matter of refraining physically, that it goes all the way to your thoughts of lust which are the same deed. No one had taught that before him. That’s why his teachings were so profound. He was teaching the meaning of the Law (the spirit of it) rather than the physical application of it (the letter). I believe that any believer can carry out the gospel as children of God and disciples of Messiah without the letters of the apostles. I don’t believe they should be removed because they make for great commentary and as an added challenge for weeding out people who are not berean-minded and might actually believe such instructions like “your women should remain silent” are for all women on earth, but they are not necessary for entering nor guiding to the Kingdom of Heaven. God’s word is necessary. Paul’s writings are not. Since neither God nor Messiah issued such a command, you know that Paul (who had no authority to add commands which would make him a false prophet) was only communicating that to specific groups of people. Notice in 1 Timothy 2:12 - who gives the command? “I”. Who is “I”? Paul. He never once in all his writings (through his scribe) said “thus says the Lord”. Rightfully so. God did not tell him to write these things. This is similar to a pastor helping congregants resolve an issue within their own church. These were isolated issues and Paul, as a leader, was giving instructions to these isolated places. Otherwise, he’d have written the exact same thing to every church he wrote. He didn’t. Commentary. Though, that’s a bit of a stretch considering a lot of his writings are greetings, well-wishes, and self-loathing with a hint of speculation. Consider 2 Corinthians 12:2, “I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know-God knows.” Ok, so for one he doesn’t know if he was in the body or out. Two, he even tells us this is a personal story of someone else that he knows of. The man is speculating, admits he doesn’t know one way or the other, and says only God would know. But he’s speaking on behalf of God, right? God speculates? He was inspired to write that he didn’t know an apparently important aspect of the story? That’s dodgy. IF we are to consider this the word of God. If not, then OK, it’s just a man writing a letter about someone he knows and Nicea decided to add it to the Scriptures…. As Commentary. But by all means, if you believe this is the inspired word of God, feel free to start going around greeting believers with kisses. Or, be a Berean and work out the difference. I’m willing to bet that most confusion and conflict comes in when a person reads something Messiah said or that Moses wrote and compares them to the letters of the apostles, they’re not certain often times which is true over the other. I’ve seen it countless times. “Jesus said _______, but Paul said _______…” I’d have to go with Messiah over Paul. Even Peter had to warn people that Paul was hard to understand. God is not the author of confusion.
@spacecoastz4026
@spacecoastz4026 2 ай бұрын
@@Maikigai So let me summarize your long winded comment. You don't believe in the bible....you don't consider the letters of Paul, Peter, James, John, etc Scripture. And you don't recognize the difference between the Old Covenant vs the New. God isn't the author of confusion, but that doesn't mean that Scripture is without depth. Sorry to say but you are in a sad place.
@spacecoastz4026
@spacecoastz4026 Ай бұрын
@@Maikigai *Ok, let’s reason this out* Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 4:1-6
@trustee3447
@trustee3447 2 ай бұрын
This episode is classically classic. Wow!
@mr.knewitall2861
@mr.knewitall2861 27 күн бұрын
Would love to see the full ver of the second debate
@Apostlepaul777
@Apostlepaul777 Ай бұрын
Cliff is a gift from God. Read everything and ask yourself , what does the evidence point to. That’s what we should be asking 🙏
@deavonrichards7157
@deavonrichards7157 2 ай бұрын
Cliffe rocks!
@kevinklein9565
@kevinklein9565 2 ай бұрын
Hey fellas, I’d like to hear your thoughts on modern day Israel and if they’re the biblical Israel? The chosen people? Etc. Couldn’t find anything on this subject from you guys
@andyfuts
@andyfuts 2 ай бұрын
Good morning all my lovely people ❤
@victoraraujo4718
@victoraraujo4718 2 ай бұрын
I see alot of comments throughs Cliff videos about him "losing" and I would like to explain something for the people that think that way. This is not a debate, there are no winners or losers. Cliff's intentions is to spread the good news Jesus spoke about, he's doing just that when he talks about the message Jesus left, his job of planting seeds in people's heart is done. Now all the screaming and arguing some students do is because they want to win, but there's no winning scenario here, smarter atheist have either converted to Christianity when they studied deeper or they reach the conclusion the Bible is true but they can't accept the supernatural. These students have been asking the same questions atheists for centuries have done it and its not because it hasn't been answered, it has but they ignore it. Who really wants to learn Greek or Hebrew to go after those manuscripts and read for themselves? These are the type of things people devote their life to not 5minutes. So to my friends atheist if your still reading I know you have questions but instead of getting bitter over the internet how about try learning more?
@bonnie43uk
@bonnie43uk 2 ай бұрын
i agree, it's not really about winning or losing, it's merely a place where anyone who has any thoughts about God can come and discuss their point of view 🙂
@justingary5322
@justingary5322 2 ай бұрын
It's awesome seeing Young Cliffe Knechtle from the 1990's and early 2000's because Stuart is following his father's footsteps 🙏❤️👊. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth (Yeshua H'nashiac) was a Jewish carpenter born almost two thousand years ago in a stable and laid in a manger by His Mother Mary and father Joseph yet changed the world through His words, moral character and miracles even Resurrection from Death by Roman crucifixion and torture. Awesome videos from Stuart and Cliffe Knechtle's Give Me An Answer videos. I'm from Newark, New Jersey in The United States of America and I've met many Atheists, agnostics and secular humanists in my 24 years alive which helped me with countering atheist arguments. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
@nicolairafael9292
@nicolairafael9292 2 ай бұрын
I love you guys❤
@jayfry895
@jayfry895 2 ай бұрын
Hallelujah JESUS and Glory to GOD ✝️✝️✝️
@myageis8888
@myageis8888 2 ай бұрын
Cliffs actually says it twice, "The Bible is not the word of God?????????????? Does anyone know his email please!!? He's BACK PETALING💔💔💔💔💔🛐
@Dark_Shadow7884
@Dark_Shadow7884 2 ай бұрын
does anyone know how I can ask cliff a question over the internet, I have a question I would like to get answered since i have been a Christian for a long time and have been wondering this for a long time. Thank you guys and may the lord bless all of you amen :]
@chadandrew2935
@chadandrew2935 Ай бұрын
He has an address for his church is his church grace community church 365 Luke’s rd. New Canaan CT. 06840
@tTtt-ho3tq
@tTtt-ho3tq 2 ай бұрын
Mr. Cliffe was not answering the first guys question. So what happens when two guys have two different views according to their God? Or their translations of their God (the same God). Free will?
@LOSREDIMIDOSPODCAST
@LOSREDIMIDOSPODCAST 10 күн бұрын
I DONT CARE WHAT PEOPLE SAY , BUT CLIFFE IS LIKE THE APOSTLE PAUL OF THIS ERA ...
@saralee8531
@saralee8531 Күн бұрын
For someone in college it's wild to me for them to know what an autobiography is but can't comprehend a biography. Just because someone else told the story of a different persons life doesn't mean that it can't be factual.
@real.revJosva
@real.revJosva 23 күн бұрын
The whole back and forth about stealing guys money, and cliffe not being a dumb theif had me cracking up. 😂
@peteherrera1502
@peteherrera1502 2 ай бұрын
It is written in 2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, and in 2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. And I believe that the bible is God's word which consists of the 66 books in the bible. And either a person believes that the bible is God's word or they do not and if they do not then we have nothing to discuss since the foundation for what we believe is not the same. And it is the Holy Spirit who reveals to us the truth of God word. And having an opinion based on emotions only and having an opinion based on bible scriptures are two different things.
@jasonnoble7302
@jasonnoble7302 2 ай бұрын
Yeah You believe it’s good to permit evil things to happen and I don’t
@curiousgeorge555
@curiousgeorge555 2 ай бұрын
cliffe rocks
@user-ss5bp7ct7j
@user-ss5bp7ct7j Ай бұрын
May God produce more people like Cliffe..advancing God's kingdom..
@dexternelson
@dexternelson 20 сағат бұрын
The best explaination for the new testament is from Bauchum. "The bible is reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in the fulfillment of specific prophecies and claimed that their writings are divine rather than human in origin." And when you look up the requirements for canonization, that's very obviously true.
@user-df2ml4ro9v
@user-df2ml4ro9v Ай бұрын
Mark 7:20-23 & Mark 10:17-27,
@MathewtHawkinson
@MathewtHawkinson Ай бұрын
We need to get cliff on Joe Rogans podcast
@mikhailyaremkiv
@mikhailyaremkiv Ай бұрын
Why? No need for Cliffe to deal with that nonsense. Joe Rogan and guys like him are just entertainment for the unintelligent. No one seeks truth, just a bunch of conspiracy garbage mixed with some of the most rediculous and childish worldviews you can come up with.
@brianstearskingnothing
@brianstearskingnothing 10 күн бұрын
Im so sorry Jesus please forgive me of my sins. I except you in my heart and I no their's no way besides through you
@upredsev475
@upredsev475 2 ай бұрын
He’s a lion 😅! Thanks again Cliff
@arri9764
@arri9764 2 ай бұрын
New Classic😍🙏
@itskelohh8173
@itskelohh8173 2 ай бұрын
He’s so cute I can’t handle it
@pedrogomespg.5882
@pedrogomespg.5882 2 ай бұрын
@@itskelohh8173 he is
@jelly7310
@jelly7310 Ай бұрын
I wonder if they ever consider why they get so angry about Christianity. Or something they claim to not believe. I know why
@romanmay2867
@romanmay2867 21 күн бұрын
i have to agree that you can’t compare historical accounts to living eye witness accounts, comparing the holocaust to anything is usually not a good idea, like he said we have survivors living today, john and mark aren’t alive today. he caught cliffe at a slip up and he noticed and paused, but overall his argument falls apart after he has the greek part explained
@juniorbarrientos1838
@juniorbarrientos1838 2 ай бұрын
So I was young and me and my sister fist faught and parants took us back home from a family party and when we got home our dad started spanking us for being bad and my mom was yelling don't so we all sat their yelling and the restroom door slams by itself so loud demons where around if demons exist the HEAVENS EXIST FOR THEY DROPED LIKE LIGHTENING FROM THE HEAVENS FOR DISOBEYING!! GOD IS REAL AND JESUS AT HIS RIGHT HAND DOES TO SO WHO EVER BELIEVES IN HIM YOU SHALL HAVE INTERNAL LIFE!!🙏❤️‍🔥 OPEN YOUR EYES.
@JenE3377
@JenE3377 12 күн бұрын
Bravo Cliffe. So many of the same inane questions by our clever, arrogant children. It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think.
@NG-iz7fi
@NG-iz7fi 2 ай бұрын
I wonder what Stuart is doing during this time 🤔
@midimusicforever
@midimusicforever 2 ай бұрын
The original Greek is the ultimate source for what God wants us to know, but we have good translations. The Gospel is crystal clear, nobody needs to know Greek to know what it is.
@OutletR
@OutletR 2 ай бұрын
@@Theo_Skeptomai The same way you have no proof that you exist only evidence
@SV-wb8kh
@SV-wb8kh 2 ай бұрын
As the old saying goes...the truth hurts.
@Chanitally
@Chanitally 11 күн бұрын
Jesus said, “you must be born again.” You were born male or female or think you were born a mistake but in following Jesus you need to be born again. You are a new creation. The old has passed away, behold all thing have become new.
@claireglory
@claireglory 2 ай бұрын
the video quality looks old. what year is this? the students here are amazing. and gave so many good points. in comparison to today's students whose arguments are mediocre. i realize they just cut the parts where a student was giving this preacher a run for his money.
@Trendsthismonth
@Trendsthismonth 2 ай бұрын
1999
@nschlaak
@nschlaak 2 ай бұрын
Oh Cliff, Jesus wasn't born in Palestine, he was born in Bethlehem of Judea. The area was later renamed Palestine by the Romans in 125-6 AD. The area of Bethlehem is in the West Bank and is currently called Palestine by some groups.
@annatjiepeschel5228
@annatjiepeschel5228 12 күн бұрын
How can so many young people reject God and Jesus love for them ❓😭
@Real-pn7mj
@Real-pn7mj 12 күн бұрын
the thing that is funny how they said the same thing about the Old Testament and how it could have been changed but it was untill 1947 that they foudn the Dead Sea scrolls which date back to 3CBE and it has the whole book of Isaiah on it and it turns out it has word for word from our modern day Book of Isaiaih so i would not be surprised if The Gospel's are the same which have a 99.5% accuracy.
@JenE3377
@JenE3377 12 күн бұрын
The most examined historical documents in the history of the world!
@603StrikingandConditioning
@603StrikingandConditioning 2 ай бұрын
Billy carson and cliffe should interview one another..
@ivanta6283
@ivanta6283 2 ай бұрын
hey there, i was just wondering what bible i should start with reading. im not a christian but am looking foward to reading the bible however there are many versions.
@ryanruizvargas2517
@ryanruizvargas2517 2 ай бұрын
It doesn't really matter what version of the bible you read, because they all say the same thing. However, choose the version that will help you comprehend the bible the most in terms of a linguistic aspect. I personally read the NLT version because I can understand the words there better, as compared to reading KJV or NKJV versions, which I find a hard time comprehending the words used there. So choose the version that will help you understand the bible better.
@ivanta6283
@ivanta6283 2 ай бұрын
@@ryanruizvargas2517ok thank you so much👌
@micahprice2807
@micahprice2807 Ай бұрын
Most commonly the ESV study Bible, the NKJV study Bible, and the CSB are given as the BEST bibles. For context and history, I’d recommend the ESV study Bible. All of these are great though, with high scholarly standard. To what the other person answered: it ABSOLUTELY matters what translations you read. Many are terrible or paraphrased and lose important context or are outright incorrect.
@Trendsthismonth
@Trendsthismonth Ай бұрын
May Jesus guide you through your journey
@ivanta6283
@ivanta6283 Ай бұрын
@@micahprice2807is kjv good? i just bought it, cant wait to read it
@rodney5081
@rodney5081 2 ай бұрын
Say what you want Jesus Christ will judge all . Say whatever it doesn't change the facts
@gingercake0907
@gingercake0907 2 ай бұрын
@@Theo_Skeptomai Just read the Bible. Just read the life and teachings of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
@Cross_Guard
@Cross_Guard Ай бұрын
Most who argue about Jesus and His divinity are angry, frustrated or just unsure. One thing is for certain. Jesus Christ is Lord and God and the most well known individual to have ever lived. Every nation knows his name ❤❤❤
@beth8095
@beth8095 2 ай бұрын
❤ HALLELUJAH ❤AMEN
@ireslaurito5232
@ireslaurito5232 Ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤
@dulleyjuma842
@dulleyjuma842 2 ай бұрын
SUBHANALLAH Cliffe says if i steal somebodys money theres nothing wrong with that😵‍💫 confusions
@georgewagner7787
@georgewagner7787 Ай бұрын
He is saying the opposite of what he believes. He did that to make the listener defend the consequences of the listeners belief. We call this , " playing devil's advocate."
@Disciple793
@Disciple793 Ай бұрын
If there is no God human beings assign value to our lives as individuals or as society defines as valuable. That is the worldview an agnostic or an atheist has to accept. The only other option is God does exits and human beings have value because we are created in the image of God. What a beautiful thing to know we have value, in fact so much value that Christ died for us. ❤
@TheoSkeptomai
@TheoSkeptomai Ай бұрын
WRONG. THAT is not a worldview I, an atheist, have to accept. My worldview is my own. I don't accept one from anyone one else, individual, society, or otherwise.
@levi-lg7cp
@levi-lg7cp 18 күн бұрын
thank GOD for giving Cliffe patience , the second student was very irritative to even listen to his arrogance.
@to6955
@to6955 Ай бұрын
Bring the law like comfort.
@okhaeadeleye5313
@okhaeadeleye5313 2 ай бұрын
16:42 if you think following Christ is so easy, why not try it? 😊
@nickelfrizz
@nickelfrizz Ай бұрын
That's a very good line. "My culture tells me that greed is alright. My capitalistic, materialistic society of the United States tells me to get all you can, can all you get, sit on the lid, and poison the rest." If he came up with that himself on the spot, I tip my hat.
@AnnExams
@AnnExams 2 ай бұрын
What is the worth of money when you do not have happiness in Christ. Do not care about people who is money hungry. They do not mean anything. They could be a pot or a spoon. Love people with great morals and respect for themselves and God. They will treat others so much better. That will be heaven on earth if more people could be like that. What is the use of having money then.
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