I bought some of the two and three wire splicers based off of Clive's first video with them, and my immediate thought upon using them was "why do I need two of these to splice power cables?"

exactly, wago should have done this type of connector in the first place.

@mikeselectricstuff. Did they give a reason why they don't do it?

@@martin_mue as any big corpo, they want max profit with minimal investment. They ain't doing anything. They just profiteering. Most, if not all, companies that are big enough, started as money laundering startups. You think an ex-money-laundering-mafia-startup would *MAKE* something? HAHAHA no.

It's odd how some companies come up with good ideas and then just stop developing them. I've had a similar conversation with a plumbing company that makes push fit fittings. For some reason they don't do 45 degree bends with connectors on both ends. You can bodge something together with two fittings but come on, it's such an obvious product.

They now sell a version from prominent UK suppliers that have that.

@@bigclivedotcom did wago clone the chinese product? lol

They now do these in toolstation with Brown, Yellow, Blue levers Rated at 32A so can be used in a ring final circuit/ring main. www.toolstation.com/in-line-spring-lever-connectors/p45902 There's also a 2-way version with just brown and blue. I haven't bought them yet, but they will be on my next order.

@@JasGawera Yes.. i notice they are listed as 'unbranded' LOL

@@whatworkedforme I'd be interested to know the origins of them, personally I stick to the Wago brand, I've noticed recently they do make a version of the 221 that has 2 terminals but in-line instead of on the same side. Told my local wholesaler they would likely be quite popular and they should stick some on their next order, as in some instances space/neatness limits you to using a crimp. And despite it being a rather common practice, people now debate whether or not it's okay to crimp solid conductors.

SandPox But is it really since they are knocking off a knock off of their own product lol

@@therandomman2971 The school of hard knocks.

There is always a bigger fish

@@therandomman2971 there is nothing new under the sun

Chinese have started innovating more and more, remember the rubbish iPhone clones and now you have the Xiaomi and Huawei handsets that are better. probably jumped ahead in R&D by borrowing IP from all the products made there, but they are really pushing ahead in manufacturing and tech

Stop Changing this It's really creepy i was thinking same for my Z scale

I use them for all my DC projects, so handy.

low-profile ones would be handy for car stereos

I used them on all my HO modules when part of a module group. Worked great.

Years ago, I thought WAGO actually did these and never investigated further. Kinda regret that I didn't actually investigate further. :|

Matt Quinn Except the traditional blocks can be securely attached to the cabinet ensuring that cable and maintenance mechanical impact doesn't propagate across.

'Twould be triply nifty if the channels were arranged around a central axis i.e. more compactly, with _much greater isolation between channels. Such an arrangement would make splices more manageable in confined quarters. A narrow waist at the mid-point would serve as a natural tie-point.

@@michaelthibault7930 ? What T connector would be more compact, how.?

@@johnfrancisdoe1563 You can get rail mounted wagos. I daresay if an actual wago in this format came out there would be mounts for it.

And the spring force is manageable and controlled, while screw can cut through the wire, damage it, or have too tight/too loose a contact. To use proper screw terminals, the screw would have to have a copper plate under it, and a second copper plate underneath the wire that's spring loaded. To SCREW -> CopperPlate -> WIRE -> CopperPlate -> SPRING, Or if you could, make the screw itself springy. But if you have springs why the fuck are you screwing around with screws? It's all just lost potential.

I was wondering if these might also be more resistant to vibration than screw terminals.

@@markevans2294 Screw terminals absorb all vibration, however, these create a small sawing effect and will cut the wire off eventually. Abrasion is a pain and exist ANYWHERE moving. Screw terminal, no move, unless it works loose with temperature+vibration. So screw is basically a *bit* better. Soooo... They are loosely the same resistance to vib.

In Germany screw terminals are not allowed anymore. Everyone is now using the "Wago clamps". Pretty much a monopole now for doing the usual wire work of a home.

@@TheYear-dm9op I can understand how, since they're more reliable to install and use, require less skill. But that in turn means they're pretty much a government monopoly, so they don't need to innovate or take risks. They just are a monopoly, therefore money, therefore they can raise prices to hell and lower production quality.

(Also, spoiler alert: yes that’s how they work.)

Yeah that was my first thought, too.

I took it that he was saying "in this specific case". He'd need to have genuine Wago version of the connector to compare the "in series" technique.

He didn't because the "real" ones are too expensive to break xD

Yes, exactly. You don't even need any pyrotechnics, with spacing like that it is just a matter of time until they make their own fireworks.

Big difference between proper Wago ones and these for outside use is that with these multipole jobs, rain/mud (and induced rust/corrosion) might make a big difference creating some conductivity between ways. So, I'll still be sticking to the official Wago types. Great for low voltage or temporary work, though. Being direct from China, they won't be going on mains electricity in my house.

@@jam99 I just ordered one of these knock-off ones for repairing a speaker cable. It's not a very high power signal going through the cable so I think it won't matter

Then is THIS YOUR Wago-Connector. This one can be used in potential explosive areas without being the reason for an explosion... (Ex2-save) 5-pole-connector: www.wago.com/de/netzanschlussklemmen/4-leiter-geraeteanschlussklemme/p/862-1505_999-950

@@ElektrischInkorrekt 3 phase 440v and 28a rating. Sounds like what every farmer needs

Clive Penfold That's a useless product page failing to state the basics of that product clearly. There's no data sheet, only a random subset of data points. How many separate wires does it actually connect and in which mechanical combination (similar to a chip pinout diagram)? Are the wires connected by springs and the block screwed to a box, or the wires mounted by screws and the block pushed into a box? How many times can wires be installed/removed in each hole before buying a new block and starting over? What is the required mechanical, electrical and thermal clearance around the block? What is the correct length of wire to strip (stranded or solid)? What range of isolation thickness is allowed on the wires?

@@johnfrancisdoe1563 There is literally a fucking data sheet generator on the right of the picture, with technical data, connection data, geometrical data ,mechanical data. Learn to look with your eyes before you spout bullshit.

MrLooZee yep, same here

@@Kobold666 What's a chandelier clamp?

I read this comment and a split second later he said it 👌

I honestly thought he was going to come back with bandages on his hand, I was cringing the whole time he was picking away at that with his spudger.

It does indeed.

Or China export

Cheap Excrement

This deserves to be pined.

or crappy equipment

They make a version now.

Probably you're aware of Chinese clone connector, master of clone invention.

I doubt that it was like that. These thing on chinese market for ages and there still no such WAGO product.

@@darausus8315 That doesn't mean that someone like Wago didn't design it at some point, made some prototypes, and then decided not to market the result. Given corporate decision-making can be very silly sometimes, it wouldn't surprise me.

@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 I doubt it? If that's what happened I don't see why it wouldn't have the Wago logo on it? They don't care, they won't get in trouble for it. When you do business with China you have to accept that your IP is going to be stolen and they're probably going to directly compete with you even if you have patents, trademarks, etc. Apple has put *huge* amounts of effort into stopping this, they have Western employees monitor every little thing that happens, employees are searched coming into and off the premises, etc. Yet Apple still can't stop them stealing their IP. They steal it from everywhere, if you contract with them they will steal it and use it. When they come to Western universities they download all the course materials and take it back (I remember the university getting quite angry at this when I was there) so their universities can use it. If a Chinese national works at your company in the West there's a reasonable chance they will try stealing IP then as well. But the fact is that it's still normally better for a company to contract with them. It's so much cheaper because of the huge amounts of competition and deregulation. And besides, even if you manufacture in the West they will still end up copying the design at some point. Also don't kid yourself into thinking the same thing doesn't happen in the West, it just happens in different ways. Someone gets ahold of your product here and reverse engineers it, then they change it just enough to not violate any patents, and change the trademarks. That's how it works in the West, which just delays and adds a bunch of costs to people copying your product, it doesn't stop it. They likely just designed it themselves. They're actually *really good* at designing products, it's just market forces have made ripping off products and making them for as cheap as possible the best method of making money. It's actually starting to change in recent years. We're starting to see more and more Chinese companies that are original, innovative, and don't build down to a price, in fact quite the opposite they're often built to better standards than many things in the West. I think it's a sign that the market forces are changing. Labor costs are rising, and labor is being exported to other developing countries. And a middle class is forming. It's allowing companies that create high quality products to exist over there. The real reason a company shouldn't contract with Chinese companies is because of the CCP. I actually somewhat admire all the shit they do to copy products, at the end of the day IP violations only have impacts on peoples bottom line, and I have a lot of problems with the idea of owning intellectual property anyway. But the stuff the CCP is doing is abhorrant. It's not just IP theft, it's fucking murder, genocide, censorship, destruction of the environment, pushing stability in the region (e.g. support for NK, South China Sea expansion), and potentially even concentration camps... We shouldn't be working with the country because it supports the CCP, if this was a smaller less powerful state we'd have huge restrictions on them, but our economy is so dependent on China we don't do shit.

Bought mine on EBay 3wks ago. Looks good

Then they could simply order their prototypes from somewhere else. This is the compromise for cheap labor.

It would be funny if Wago cloned the clone.

I would appreciate if the orange parts would be yellow-yellow, blue -blue and black-black, so that one knows the connectivity instantly

Its Pretty hard to Imagine they didnt think of this I can't even count the amount of times I sweared because I Had to use 3 Terminals just to splice a wire

My poor mans Quick test is three alligator clips screwed to a piece of 2" x 4" wood. (Note its after the variac, current limiting light bulb and isolation transformer).

i use 3 separate wagos for that right now

@@ua89das7ufj Which is exactly why this product is so amazing I was so Mad the last time I Had to use 3 wago Terminals just to splice a fucking wire, Ended up soldering it instead

@pmailkeey Even easier in the days of round pin plugs - you just poked the wires into the socket sleeves and shoved a plug in on top!

I stick wires into traditional IEC-60320 C13 plugs. :D

Any fires yet?

"CESFONJER" on Amazon. They appear as single, double and trebles, but the singles I bought are magic-they have a dovetail in the case whereby you can connect as many as you like side by side. This would also address Clive's concern re separation. I paid £10 for 24 singles.

And thanks for sharing your knowledge too.

Use the three pin and leave the middle empty, for extra separation.

If one were to heat up, you have a bad design because a fuse/breaker should have popped, long before.

If you go to the sellers site you will find several different versions, some with allocated colours to indicate same connection both sides

@@AdaptivePhenix If the product is badly designed and the wire starts arcing to say, yeah I can see how this may happen with just a few amps.

@@nahventure3873 but the video just showed it's actually pretty good design...

No one should ever use any connector that they do not know the pinout of. If you don't know where the pins connect then what the hell are you doing? I have on occasion grabbed a random connector from a junk box to hook something up and the very first thing I do is to buzz out the terminals to make sure they go where I think they do. And sometimes I get surprised. But no big deal so long as you check it out before you hook it up.

Be fine for 12V lighting or security systems, prefer something more robust for house current.

Just remember that if the low voltage (V) has to deliver significant power (W) at the other end, the amps (I) increase along with the connector temperature. Didn't good old Mr. Ohm write a law about this stuff? It was something like W = V * I. Thus I = W / V

Yay a Sergal, and a pink one too!

Nicolai That's Mr. Joule. Mr. Ohm wrote the one about Resistance.

@@dragonslayerornstein387 Tis good to be appreciated and recognized. I like you! None of that "awh, that's a cute pink doggie on your youtube thingie".

Also Series 260 - with screws, I think.

Those are DIN-rail products.

@@Furiends 862 is DIN rail, 294 connectors aren't. They're only 3x3x2cm, roughly the same size as regular Wago connectors.

i believe they are approved for mains voltage use in the UK and here in Australia also.

SED71 he means the Chinese in-line one obviously.

@@smallenginedude71 probably safe (they seem to be high quality) but I doubt that they are approved.

Bring back @photonic induction channel

John Ward tested them at 1000v and 3750v, no problem kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fZ96h6WF18mog3k.html

He already *has* done a video about Wagos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sL2TksSoxreqgJs.html

Wago have now released a version.

Thanks, couldn't find them on the seller Clive mentioned, but just ordered a bunch off Ali after searching spl-3

Don't think this is suitable in a car like the engine bay, or other wet places. These can hold a good amount of moisture inside.

@@jada1173 You're right. But inside the cabin I'd trust them more than cheap crimping connectors. I can think of a reason why Wago didn't bother with this product: It is kind of prone to be used to "fudge" something together, because a regular home install rarely needs extension without branching circuits. Maybe they fear regular people fixing their appliances with them, neglecting strain relief etc.

Link please?

Amzon have 'em too - prices vary of course.. amzn.to/2KOgDh8

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It is. And it's not. I just watched a video from wago.de, and they say vah-go. But on wago.us, they say wah-go. So I guess the German parent company doesn't mind "local" pronunciation.

Look for the Wago 221-2411 ....

I'm pleased enough using them for 120v signal purposes

Technically low voltage here in the UK is 1000v or under. Extra low voltage is 50v if memory serves me right.

@@craigemmott4976 similar here in Australia, from memory, low voltage is 1000v ac or 1200dc, and ELV is 50ac, 72dc.

@Bits and Electrons That's where the "poor" part comes in!

Much better than the old choc block for these jobs.

At Disney in Paris all the electrical wiring was based on Wago style connectors. It was the first time I'd seen them in such heavy use.