Which do you prefer - Banjo-Kazooie or Banjo-Tooie? Are their other video game sequels that you think surpass the original?

The fact that each level connects with others, and you can’t fully get all jiggies of any one area without doing something in a different level, just gives this rich sense of a real connected world in Tooie. It was by far one of my favorite things about it.

Banjo-Tooie: Bottles fucking dies.

No lie the zombified King Jingaling absolutely SHOOK me as a kid. I never really even started the game that shit scared me so bad I couldn't come back 😂

Tooie took so long to come out after Kazooie that I thought the game was cancelled when I was a kid. Imagine my surprise when me, my dad, and my brother saw a copy lying on the shelf at a Wal-Mart while grocery shopping. We got it immediately, and luckily just in time, as it was the last copy they had. I was so excited that after 2 long years of waiting, I finally got to see Banjo and Kazooie in a new game. Every single thing I experienced and how interconnected it seemed with the last game blew my mind. I mean, Bottles is flat out murdered in the first few minutes? You start with all the moves from the last game, and get a ton more? I knew right off the bat that I was in for something really ambitious. The puzzles were really hard for my tiny 8 year old brain to grasp, but I kept exploring around and figuring things out. Easily the most satisfying moment in the game was me figuring out how to get into Grunty Industries. I couldn't find an entrance for the life of me, but I did find a switch for the train station. I didn't think much of it though, and just kept looking, until I started to put the pieces together in my mind. A thought occured to me that I could enter through the station. "No, it couldn't be." I kept thinking to myself. But I tried it to see what would happen, thinking there was no way that would work. And yet, it did. I felt so smart figuring it out on my own, so proud of myself. I will never forget the memories I had with this game.

Absolutely crazy to me that "Rare were having their innovation questioned in this era". Banjo-Tooie is one of the most ambitious and innovative games of its time by far and did things that had never been done In the genre before.

Something about Tooie always grabbed me more. Maybe the interconnectivity, the more cynical tone (I love especially Banjo just being over this shit), or maybe the larger levels. Setting up the necessary components to collect a jiggy just feels soooooo satisfying to me. Or backtracking in this game specifically is not even a chore. Someone made the comparison to SOTN (which I love) it Super Metroid (never played) when it comes to backtracking. And it feels the same in SOTN as it does here. Satisfying. Currently replaying the two games in honor of the Ultimate reveal and hoping for a sequel. And nothing has changed. Other than my appreciation for Kaz deepening. Still can’t bring myself to put Kaz over Tooie, though.

Banjo-Tooie is an amazing sequel. Sure, in the beginning I was a little "meh" on how big the worlds were, but overall I loved being able to do so much stuff. Plus fast travel was a nice touch.

20:49 He may move slow and he can’t jump high, but this shaman is one hell of a guy!

Biggest things I noticed from BK to BT that you didn't mention, the camera is vastly improved and can be used while flying and underwater, and underwater controls themselves are also massively improved. 👍

FINALLY a review that favors Tooie instead of Kazooie. I played tooie first as well so yea maybe there’s some bias to it but still... lol

Refreshing to see someone share my opinion. Most KZfaq videos are always "Here's how Banjo-Tooie is worse!" and it always annoyed me. Banjo-tooie is just a complex puzzle box finding how everything connects together, and it's really disheartening that there will probably never be another collect-athon like it when i feel it was an evolution of the formula. I've only ever done 100% on Banjo-Kazooie once, but I've done Tooie maybe 5 or 6 times in my life. It's been my favorite collect-athon forever and was never even challenged until Odyssey came out. I love it and I'm glad you appreciate it as well.

I went from Tooie to Kazooie too! Going from the fast Kazooie roll to the slow Banjo roll really put me off of playing the first game for some reason. It always fascinated me how there are SO many more moves in Tooie when every single move from Kazooie carries over

I've loved Tooie since I was a kid. Such a golden sequel.

I always say it's not often a game that good comes out, then has an even better sequel. But we were blessed. My favorite N64 games

I’ve always liked the back tracking in this game, it feels like a game instead of a bunch of individual levels

The Banjo games are immaculate and hold up today incredibly well

Good god, that opening. Incredible. I never knew Banjo could be so philosophical.

13:08 I've played this game about 5 times and never knew you could shoot those icicles on the ceiling, I always just used Kazooie's glide move to get across

Banjo-Tooie is my #1 game of all time and is why I fight for collectathon platformers beyond my dying day! I don't think there was ever an overflow of 3D platformers in the late 90's but rather too many people assuming they all played the same and didn't quite yet distinguish linear from non-linear gameplay.

Happy to see more love for Tooie! I love both games, but Tooie’s my favorite game ever and it kinda sucks seeing so many people slag it off. Appreciate the appreciation!

Fun Fact: In Cloud Cuckoo Land in the garbage can there is a milk carton that says “Missing: Tooty Last seen in Banjo Kazooie”

This makes me so happy to see someone finally appreciate this game and not despise it for not being exactly the same as the first

Your post on the Banjo Kazooie sub Reddit brought me here and wow, I’m glad it did. What a great analysis of the Banjo tooie; it’s potentially my favorite game and I’m always happy to see likeminded people think about the game as much as I do. You’ve earned a subscriber and I look forward to your upcoming content and (in my opinion) your inevitable channel growth!

Felt like it was 2000 all over again. Even after all these years Banjo Tooie is still my favorite 3D platformer of all time.

"Where is Banjos sister Tootie? That's a good question." "Where's Gruntys sister Brentilda? That's a good question." Asking questions without definitive answers? That sir, is humor I like.

Nice deadpan "that's a good question" gags. You delivered them well.

I think at the time having a world this sprawling, especially for a collect-a-thon, was a pretty large hook for a lot of players. It was truly a game of its time that conveyed the sense of an "adventure". However, I can see a lot of people these days not being so fond of it upon returning, especially considering the burnout many are suffering from the sea of triple-A open world games. Tooie is a sequel that's all about adding quantity, while players these days might just want a more focused platformer.

I’ve always liked Tooie more. The darker atmosphere and level design definitely contribute to that. I agree 100% with every point you make in the video. Great content!

“What happened to Banjo’s sister, Tooty?” A good question...for another time. “What happened to Grunty’s sister, Brentilda?” A good question...for another time. “Does Kazooie have a sister we don’t know about?” A good question for...another time.

Gruntyland was my favorite but so hard for me as a kid. I remember coming home from school and running around that level for hours, id be happy if I found atleaat 1 more jiggy. Tooie and DK64 held a lot of wonder and mystery for me that could easily be googled now a days.

Firstly, your videos are amazing. Your channel is going to explode for sure 😉 Secondly, Banjo Tooie is an exceptional game. One of my all time favourite games for sure. I love Kazooie also but Tooie just took everything that made that game special and multiplied it! The interconnectivity of the worlds and backtracking is also one of the reasons Tooie is better. It feels like a grand adventure in an (almost) realistic landscape. Kazooie felt like 9 mini adventures, still good just not as grand. Also, WitchyWorld would have to be not only my favourite Banjo level of all time but probably my favourite level in any platformer EVER! I adore it. The story (whilst still simple) is much more fleshed out than the orginal’s “damsel in distress” story. I love the darker tone. And can we tawk about the supporting characters?? SUCH an improvement on the original. The characters are hilarious and interesting! I still love reading what they have to say even though I now know every word of dialogue by heart. And the new Tooie characters are so good, Jamjars and Grunty’s sisters are great additions. My personal favourite though is Humba Wumba (I feel she doesn’t get enough love). She’s sassy, sexy, mysterious and I LOVE her rivalry with Mumbo, I always get Mumbo to visit her hut just to read her insults hahaha Anyway, I’ve waffled on far too long. From one small and upcoming KZfaqr to another, great job man! You have a supporter in me for sure 👍 Ps: if you’re interested I’d love for you to consider doing retrospectives on the Star Fox series, Star Fox and Banjo defined my childhood! 😉

I will point out that Old King Coal IS required to be beaten to beat the game. You need to be able to use the Train to enter the Grunty Industries factory building.

Stop & Swap 2 is for Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, it just unlocks new parts and stuff

I love this game, especially the inter-connectivity of the different worlds! It definitely caught me off guard with how harder it was than Banjo Kazooie. Hell, I didn't even know you could ride the train at first. I couldn't figure out how to get inside Grunty Industries because of this.

10:35 wow, I just realized that ladder texture almost looks like it was lifted straight out of ocarina of time

I played both as a child and I remember for more from Tooie than I do Kazooie. I'm not sure why that is but to this day everything from Tooie hits the nostalgia factor for me. Music. Gameplay. Levels. Characters. Not so much from Kazooie where I only remember bits and peices. I wish Rare would make another collectothon game. I think its a personal preference for gamers whether they like to collect or not and the determines if you like that gaming style. For those that like collecting or have OCD this game takes the cake. I love it. Thank you Rare

These 2 games still have my favorite soundtracks for games of ALL TIME. Listening to them as I mow the lawn right now.

Thank you!!! I'm so sick of hearing negative things about Tooie! I know it all comes down to preference, but this sequel is FAR superior to it's forerunner, in my opinion. I do love the first game, don't get me wrong. But this game left the cutsie nature of the first game behind, and took on a much more mature tone. The kids who played the first game, grew up by 2 years. And when you're young, 2 years is a LONG time. And now that I'm 35, I can share all the old RARE titles with my son, who just turned 7. He's been playing KILLER INSTINCT, CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY, all the DONKEY KONGS, and of course, BANJO KAZOOIE/TOOIE, on their original consoles, since he was 4. He's been running over hookers with ice cream trucks, in the GTA games, on my PS2, since he was 3. He's found so many secret glitches in SAN ANDREAS, that I don't even think the developers knew about. Video games sure do bring families closer together!❤

To me, a lifelong fan and sworn servant to all things this series, Banjo-Kazooie takes the prize as the superior game of the two overall. It has a heck of a lot of things over its successor, most having to do with Gruntilda's presence and role in the story and hub world. A lot of its gameplay (except for the actual movement of the duo themselves) makes more sense and feels more natural. That SAID, however, I _very_ much personally prefer the gameplay and aesthetics of Banjo-Tooie. I like my games huge, tough, relatively dark, and FULL of puzzles; once I played both games back-to-back, there was no question. Not to mention the objectively superior graphics and animation work (which you didn't cover in your video for some reason..?) and the lovely inter-connectivity and cohesiveness of the Isle O' Hags. In fact, it takes the title of my favorite video game of all time. Banjo-Kazooie will always be _better,_ but I _like_ Banjo-Tooie _more._

I come back to this retrospective a lot, really good to put on while I work or sleep. Thanks for taking the time to go over this whole series, I love it to bits ^_^

Watched a couple of your videos and looked at your subscribers, thought to myself "what the hell this guy deserves way more subs." Thank you for the nostalgia trip, I really needed it!

With "backtracking" a lot of modern gamers just want to be spoon fed. I bought Tooie for Christmas in 2000. I can't remember when I finished the main quest but it had so much content that I was still playing it in Summer 2001. With no online advice or guidance I would just get up every morning and explore the game, as gamers should. There was always some area of a level that I knew from memory that had a route or puzzle that I didn't have the ability for at the time. The world was so vast and interconnected that exploring previous levels was a joy, especially when a new feature could open up a level or 2 in a way that you never imagined. I don't think I ever 100% finished it either!

Banjo Tooie is one of those very rare (Heh) games that i can play through, from beginning to end, and not get bored/tired a single time! I just dont get why so many people never mention it, whilst praising Banjo Kazooie to no end! I still remember the first time i played this game, and just being amazed at how fluently Banjo moved.

What a nostalgic trip this was. One of my favourite childhood games.

I enjoyed backtracking, it made some of those moves so exciting to acquire because it’s like”now I can finally go back to that previous world and do that thing I wanted to do”!

I think it depends on which game you played more of as a kid. I like both games but I played a lot more of BT and I loved it then and still consider it a favourite. The thick atmosphere and the vaguely dark, cartoon world was a huge inspiration.

Banjo Tooie was my first entry into the Banjo series(I eventually got to play Kazooie a couple years later) but I remember how much fun I had with the game and how massive all the levels felt for an N64 title. The plethora of boss battles as well as mini games and collectables made it one of the games I found myself replaying so many times on the N64.

I LOVE the use that old commercial in the beginning. I loved that commercial as a kid.

Just a minor thing but you're wrong when you said you don't have to beat all the main bosses in the game except for Gruntilda. You HAVE to defeat Old King Coal in order for you to use Chuffy the train which is tthe only way to get into Grunty Industries the first time around which is where you learn the Claw Climber Boots which is needed to get up to the entrance to Cauldron's Keep.

Kazooie's glide ability is legit!

0:14 "Banjo and Kazooie have disconnected. Now they're working individually and as a team to tackle their biggest adventure yet. Banjo Tooie. Rated E for Everyone. Just remember, Bears still need a bird to fly."

34:47 I found mingy jongo to be actually pretty challenging.Well I was a kid back then so my perspective might have been different but still.

So happy I found your channel man! I've been going through and watching them all.

The big problem with Bottle's Revenge, as it appears in game, is that (as I mentioned in an earlier post) combat in Banjo-Tooie is usually too easy. The enemies are relatively slow, often go down in one hit...and then there's that goddamn rolling attack. So, if you're going to play Bottle's Revenge, turn on Superbaddy at your first opportunity, and also try to convince BK's player to agree to not use that rolling attack if you can. I haven't played it enough to be sure, but I imagine a good strategy for Bottles' is to actually play a bit less aggressively and try dodging P1's attacks. The enemies in BT rarely care about self-preservation, so switching that up might throw a curveball at P1. I haven't tested this strategy, though. Where Bottles' Revenge does shine is actually in mini-games like the Dodgem's or the Mayan Kickball games. In these mini-games, you usually are on more equal terms with the enemies, so having an intelligent and skilled opponent can make a lot of difference. The best strategy for Bottles' here, and I actually /have/ tested this one, is to basically do the opposite of what I suggested for the main game: Play spitefully. Most of the AIs in these mini-games are trying to win, but that's not your goal. Your goal is to give P1 as hard a time as possible. So don't try to win, just sabotage P1 as much as you can. Spend all your time in the first Mayan Kickball games throwing red balls into P1's goal or yellow kickballs into the leading NPC's goal (even if it's not yours). Having an intelligent opponent whose primary goal is just to sabotage you in these situations is actually a pretty fun challenge. The other big problem, of course, is boss fights and the like. Bottles' can't control bosses, which means you basically have to sit those sections out. The primary reason for this is that a lot of bosses are "tactical suicide bosses" where they're sort of invincible until they make some tactical error that makes them vulnerable. Personally, how I'd address this problem is to make it so that Bottles sort of loses control at certain intervals when the boss needs to expose their weak point. IE, you can attack P1 for 20 seconds, but after that time runs out, the boss you're controlling /will/ become immobile and expose their weak point. It helps that exposing their weak point often is flavored as some of 'rest' they need to take.

With the Canary Mary races, just press A fast enough to stay slightly ahead. Her speed seems to be linked to your speed so going berko the whole way just makes her faster. Save the mashing until the final stretch.

Absolutely fantastic video. Clear and concise with all the minute details thoroughly explained. Actually great reference material for the video I am making on the Banjo series... ;) Keep it up!

My grandma and I played the shit out of both of them, but we definitely spent more time with Tooie, so it will always be my favorite of the two

I like the first person sections, but when they slap a timer on screen it's easy to get lost, and you panic and just wander around desperately searching for that last fricking dynamite stick. They're fun, but only the first one is actually satisfying to beat, especially since it leads to an interesting boss fight. I like Tooie a bit more than Kazooie as well. I remember I would look through the strategy guide for a long time, and finally I found enough notes and got Kazooie's glide move for the first time. I loved to go around with just Kazooie, gliding everywhere and flying and exploring with the infinite feathers cheat on. So many memories and treasures. And dragon Kazooie. 👌

I saw this video in my recommended and, since I’m playing through Tooie for the first time at the moment, decided to watch it. How do you not have more subscribers? This video was amazing. It was well written and had great editing. You’ve earned a subscriber!

Wow, that's a great video, man. The best about a game that so many players have forgotten.

Personally, I only played Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie last year for the first time. I know many love Tooie, but I personally (other than Grunty's damn QUIZ!) found the original far more enjoyable. 0 nostalgia for either, but personal preference, I remember liking Kazooie a lot more. That being said, you definitely made me rethink... well all of that xD Seriously dude, this is a stellar video. This video is seriously top tier my dude, can't wait to hear your thoughts on Nuts and Bolts (evil laugh... mwah ha... ha)

As a kid, I was fully-absorbed into Tooie. I was OBSESSED with Banjo-Kazooie as a kid and my parents only bought it for me on a whim. I had no idea what I was getting into, but over-time, it became one of my most-played games on the N64, second to Paper Mario. Although, I HATED collecting-notes because I thought it was tedious as hell. Banjo-Tooie was an X-Mas gift for me as a kid and I loved it even more! The gameplay was meatier, the interconnected level-design blew my mind, and notes were easier to find. I even bought a Prima strategy guide for it

I think i've just found a hidden gem in youtube, your videos are well made and entertaining, i hope you keep making content you good sir.

Banjo Kazooie Ironically had a boss in every world too, tooie just went to make them more cinematic Mumbo's mountain - Conga Treasure trove cove - Nipper Freezezy peak - Boggy (kinda?) Bubblegloop - the froggies & Mr. Vile Click clock wood - the zubbas Gobi's valley - grabba (that mummie hand) or the maze Clanker's - the mutant snippets Rusty bucket bay - Boom box

Holy shit dude, I only just discovered you, and how do you not have more subscribers? You're actually funny, and have a surprisingly high quality for a smaller channel, you definitely get a sub from me

Since B-K is compared to Mario, I think of B-T as being sort of like a Legend of Zelda.

14:15 "It just seems Rare is reminding us they made Goldeneye and Perfect Dark" One of the FPS stages in Tooie (I believe it's the mine) is the exact same map as one of Goldeneye's multiplayer maps.

As someone that grew up playing Banjo-Kazoooe first, Tooie is the better game. I thought they improved a lot, created loads of new moves, let us keep our old ones, and opened up the whole massive island and showed how interconnected it all is. I love them both, Tooie is the better game.

Mate that intro was great. 🤣

Thanks bro really well done with the video

I guess I'm one of the few people that likes backtracking xDD

The people who designed this complex game are so smart, Ive just completed another Banjo Tooie run and it amazes me each time

Super Mario 64: Jolly Roger Bay Banjo-Tooie: Jolly Roger’s Lagoon I wonder if this was incidental, like sort of an Easter egg or callback perhaps?

I played Kazooie first and it was always my favorite until a recent playthrough. Idk, I think the atmosphere and characters in Tooie made me change my mind. And the music. Like, when you're fighting Lord Woo Fak Fak deep under the sea in Davy Jones's locker, the music gives you the impression you are fighting an elegant creature as old as time. Navigating a dark and flooded cavern ("Yee-haw. . .Oh!"), Saving aliens twice, getting eaten by a giant dinosuar to essentially act as a laxative, geneociding a caveman tribe with explosives, solving puzzles in gothic colisseum ruins, buzzing around looking for eyeball plants in the sky. It's all so very charming. Yeah, those games had style.

Great video again man, Tooie really is the better game in my opinion. All the things you mentioned is how I feel about the game too. There's just something unique that you can't find in any other game in this genre. Looking forward to the rest of the videos on this series, again fantastic job with this!

Stop and Swap II was used for the Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts DLC Klungo levels.

I've... never beaten these games because of the final triva area. 😅 Still, I loved them both and poured many, many hours into them. Tooie is my favorite actual game, and Nuts and Bolts was just good, wacky fun.

I know you said that the distribution of the jinjos was randomly selected from 33 presets, but I got curious and wondered how many unique arrangements are possible if you consider jinjos of the same color unordered and identical. There are 45 jinjos in total, summing the ascending family count from 1 to 9, so 45 positions are available. Start with calculating how many arrangements of the 9-membered color there are across all 45 positions. That's 45 choose 9, or nCr(45, 9) in a calculator. Now calculate the same number for the 8-membered color, accounting for the fact that 9 positions are now occupied, so 36 choose 8. Repeat this procedure until you're down to 3 choose 2 and multiply your nCr numbers together. The result is actually stunningly huge: 65191584694745586153436251091200000 unique jinjo distributions in Banjo Tooie

I remember first borrowing this game from my friend, we would swap N64 games for a week or so since I didn't have some that she had and she didn't have some that I had; banjo tooie felt so magical and amazing to me, I bought 3 copies of banjo kazooie and one copy of tooie (I wanted more lol) as soon as I could. I'm hoping to get to play tooie again soon because it's genuinely such a fun game to explore, I miss trying so hard to figure out the game on my own and every once in a while printing out gamefaq guides or writing down gruntys secrets in a notebook, it's such a lost time

Hailfire Peak best level imo. Love the music the duo bosses 🙌 Also just found your channel! I'm liking the retrospectives! This will be my first one to dive into!

I haven't watched the video yet, but I just liked and subbed merely because you made a pro-Tooie video. People hate this game without understanding it at all. I think what happened is that for many gamers, DK64 did too much backtracking, so they automatically shut off their minds to backtracking in this one. But this game struck a sweet spot in between DK64 and Kazooie. And since Banjo-Kazooie was a Super-Mario-64-like, you could easily say that Tooie was Super Mario 64 meets Super Metroid. And it had an amazing tone that toed the line between fun and darkness. How could you not love a game that is a Mario 64 + Metroid hybrid that has a unique tone? Anyway.... thank you for posting pro-Tooie content. I will probably watch this sometime in the next few weeks!

Ive seen so many people say Kazooie is easily better, but I ALWAYS preferred Tooie for the reasons you stated, and I played Tooie 2nd. I just love the increased moves, snarkier comedy, and other things. The only thing is MAYBE Kazooie is slightly better in terms of world design and some of the Tooie worlds are little TOO big.

Great review! The connected Worlds are really cool. It was a PAIN to figure out in my first playtrough but once you get a Jiggy, its really satisfying. I also agree that this game is the superior one. But for a casual playtrough, I prefer the first one just because its easier to navigate

Although I don't agree completely with all the (subjectively valid) points you made, I also believe Banjo Tooie is the overall way better game. Also I LOOOOVE Grunty Industries!!!

Great video, I always preferred Tooie to Kazooie as well!

Hey im not even 20 minutes in and subscribing because i am hooked and just wanted to let you know that you are good at this

I like that quote: Tooie made the game a world. Kazooie made the world a game.

Epic intro! Liked and subbed

For me, Tooie hits the sweet spot between Kazooie and DK64. One thing I've noticed in my more recent replays is that the FPS sections are a lot harder when you haven't been playing GoldenEye recently - the controls are the same, and at least two of the three levels are drawn directly from the other game.

That intro was some next level

I remember getting this game when I was 7-8 and I couldn't believe that bottles dies right in the beginning. I remember crying that night in bed

hey man the FPS multiplayer mode was great. me and my brothers would always play as jinjos (which are fast with low HP) with the ice & grenades preset, so you'd be zipping around the map killing each other in one shot, good times

One thing that I always apreciated about tooie is the fact that Banjo can grab ledges

It’s hard to say I watch many 40 minute videos top to bottom, but I loved the nostalgia in this game so much, and it was all so well visited and explained. Thanks for producing such an engaging video!

Mumbo in Banjo-Threeie Banjo: *sees Mumbo living in a box begging for change* “Mumbo?! What’s the matter?” Kazooie: “Yeah! We need your help!” Mumbo: “Sorry, Mumbo can not help bear and bird this time. Nasty, purple hair women call Mumbo offensive and tear down skull!”

Grunty industries was my favorite world as a kid. I love metroidvanias so I love navigating complex levels

That intro alone earned you a like and a sub

Honestly don't understand the hatred Grunty Industries get. It's my favourite level in the entire series, and in all the ways Tooie set out to be different from Kazooie, this level brought those differences home in the absolutely most rewarding and cohesive way

This game is also one of my all time favorites. My only issues are 1. Certain Jinjos and Cheato pages are hard to find without a guide imo. 2. The Breegul Blaster segment in GGM is a nightmare without a map (I tried this part at least 20 times). 3. Grunty Industries can sometimes be hard to navigate due to how big yet compact it is, but it wasn't that big of an issue until I was trying to find Weldar. 4. Canary Mary is annoying in CCL. Although I actually beat her rematch in CCL on my first try (I was already aware of the strategy of being neck-and-neck until the very end). All of these criticisms aren't even that bad since you can beat the game without fooling with those Jiggies. I prefer this one to Kazooie. Although Tooie does have more flaws, I think that the positives that Tooie brings with its interconnectivity, atmosphere, music, and more interesting and difficult Jiggy challenges/puzzles makes it an awesome experience. Great video, I really enjoyed it.