CMMG Banshee: The Unique Radial Delayed Blowback System

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In 2015, the CMMG company decided to develop a pistol-caliber AR carbine firing .45 ACP. Such things were becoming common in 9mm, but .45 was a more open market opportunity. They spent substantial time trying to perfect a simple blowback system, only to find that the recoil impulse was causing occasional feed failures that just couldn't be rectified. They next tried using the regular AR "direct impingement" operating mechanism, but that wouldn't provide enough energy to run the system reliably - and was very direct to boot. Just when the project looked hopeless, they took inspiration form the WWII Reising submachine gun - a delayed blowback .45ACP system.
Thinking about delayed blowback options, they hit upon the idea of using the AR cam pin as an accelerator lever. By cutting the back of the AR bolt lugs at 45 degrees, they created a system where the bolt would try to rotate and unlock under direct pressure from firing. This rotating acted through the cam pin to accelerate the mass of the bolt carrier rearward before the bolt head could start to extract the cartridge case. They named the system radial delayed blowback, and proceeded to spend 2016 perfecting the system, ultimately releasing it in April 2017 to the market. Following that, they expanded their product line from .45 ACP to include 9x19, 5.7x28, .40 S&W, and 10mm Automatic.
There are very few new ideas in firearms operating system these days, and the radial delayed blowback is a clever and elegant one, using an existing set of parts in a novel way.
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@sherman128 4 жыл бұрын

I know this channel is called "Forgotten" weapons but I really like seeing any gun so long as it's interesting in form, function or history. EDIT: I will say that my favorite videos are bad guns. Guns that have massive problems or have a crazy history attached to them. Certainly the most interesting videos for me. (I'm Scottish so the whole exercise is academic for me, so I get more from a crazy story than a description of how a good gun works)

@britskaradiometeorograph8108 4 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree. I've seen several of his videos about newer weapons and they're always just as interesting as the old and weird stuff

@aleksanderolbrych9157 4 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy when Ian talks about very fresh, modern guns, a lot of interesting stuff going on right now and it's cool to hear about it.

@forestcampbell8962 4 жыл бұрын

I second that.

@RMoribayashi 4 жыл бұрын

The way Ian has often described the inspiration for Forgotten Weapons (as a way to prevent the loss of historic information), I see all but the most mainstream of guns as potentiallly forgotten. Even the most widely known ones have something about them worth adding to this video archive as well.

@makjak111 4 жыл бұрын

@@RMoribayashi more weird ideas now than ever will be forgotten as soon as tfbtv review video is a couple weeks old and everyone moves on to the next shiny toy

@spliffburger 4 жыл бұрын

Hearing Ian say "Now here's the special sauce" made my week.

@zrspangle 4 жыл бұрын

I want that clipped

@matthewlenhart6607 4 жыл бұрын

Mine was "behoove you" maybe its just the nco in me.

@ismarwinkelman5648 3 жыл бұрын

This comment deserves 1.82M likes 👌🏾😎

@GenShark-gh8en 3 жыл бұрын

5:02. For all yall

@samue1991 3 жыл бұрын

I read this as "made me weak" and immediately thought "you spelled weak wrong but same"

@oso1165 4 жыл бұрын

I really love when you do firearms that are definitely not forgotten because no one explains the history and the mechanics like you do. Even something as common and simple and plain as a 416 or SCAR or Glock I would love to see you do a video on just because you are so good at explaining the history and why they came to be so popular today.

@Chris09978 4 жыл бұрын

Oso 11 a military 416 will be very hard to acquire be easier but pricey for the civilian variant btw this is my favorite rifles that was ever made and I want one so bad

@zacht9447 4 жыл бұрын

The 416 is what happens when an AR15 and an AR18 love each other very much, The scar is what happens when an AR18 and an AK get a little frisky. and the glock is what happens when a plastics manufacturer trys to make a plastic Browning hi power

@TheBulap 4 жыл бұрын

There is a book on the development and history of the Glock, which is a fascinating read. It doesn't get much into the technical side, but it explains the entire process by which they were designed, adopted, and became so popular.

@oso1165 4 жыл бұрын

Were just examples. Could be anything. SKS, Remington 700, 1022, etc etc would love to hear the history and development of how they got to be so prevalent. I just hope in general he doesn't shy away from doing popular or common rifles. I find those to be some of his most interesting videos

@Chris09978 4 жыл бұрын

1423 171 but it’s not really considered an ar it’s considered a battle rifle

@hyperfocal2002 4 жыл бұрын

ATF: "That guy in Arizona just registered another SBR. What is that 200?"

@oktayyildirim2911 4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't doubt it one bit if the people over at the ATF are used to writing out his name at this point.

@Zapp_Brannag1n 4 жыл бұрын

@@oktayyildirim2911 they actually just have his name on a custom stamp to save time

@asdfgh9985 4 жыл бұрын

Given how much involvement Ian has with firearms, I wouldn't be surprised if he has his own FFL

@maestrozero117 4 жыл бұрын

Pre-filled Ian form pdf lmao.

@pokemaster123ism 4 жыл бұрын

harrylongbaugh1 four, actually. Their full name is Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Forearms and Explosives. BATFE

@MBkufel 4 жыл бұрын

I seriously think that Eugene Stoner would be amazed with how little can be done to his gun to totally flip the principle of operation.

@wraithwyvern528 4 жыл бұрын

CMMG has always seemed to me to be the "what if we made an AR do this" kind of guys

@guytech7310 4 жыл бұрын

In this design the A in AR stands for "anthology" :)

@kyl3644 4 жыл бұрын

CMMG: "You've seen an AR take AK rounds and mags, now check this .45 radial delayed blowback little boy"

@jiveturkey2875 4 жыл бұрын

Any company that makes tactical bacon is pretty much a guarantee they're in it because they like what they do.

@georgewhitworth9742 8 ай бұрын

Makes sense from a company that once made a muzzle loading AR, lol

@zmanjace1364 4 жыл бұрын

Hey! Just because it hasn't been forgotten yet doesnt mean it wont be forgotten in the future! Gotta stay ahead of the curve. You never know. Might not be able to find one once no one remembers it.

@Horseshoecrabwarrior 4 жыл бұрын

I preemptively forgot about this one; I'd never heard of it!

@vaclav_fejt 4 жыл бұрын

Hudson, sadly.

@80krauser 4 жыл бұрын

I see you too are a man of culture.

@marzcapone9939 4 жыл бұрын

It's hard to find one now, gun sales have skyrocketed.

@CaptainKapitan 4 жыл бұрын

Well in that case I'll see everyone in *25 Years*

@oktayyildirim2911 4 жыл бұрын

This is a better commercial for the Banshee than CMMG could ever make. Great video!

@AlexLee-dc2vb 4 жыл бұрын

I think that the Banshee in 5.7mm is a pretty slick idea. It makes FN FiveseveN mags seem more worth their price.

@johnniewasr5740 3 жыл бұрын

A 5.7 that doesn’t use the 50 round horizontal mags is missing the boat.

@4skintim962 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnniewasr5740 not really. The point or the 5.7m was to make a low caliber high velocity round that could penetrate soft armor. The p90 only really used horizontal mags due to compactness being a necessity.

@guyman7776 2 жыл бұрын

If you haven't noticed, they just made one in 4.6x30mm, which is what the MP7 uses. CMMG is really pushing the boundaries at to what the AR platform can fire.

@AlexLee-dc2vb 2 жыл бұрын

@@guyman7776 I did, but if I was running the company that wouldn't have been my first choice. Relatively speaking, 4.6 doesn't bring anything new to the table (because it's so similar to 5.7) so whether the gun survives on the market depends on how many people want to pay for a pointless and expensive proprietary round, seeing as HK doesn't seem to care about making a civilian MP7 any time soon. I would rather see them make an AR pistol in 7.5 FK and hopefully encourage other companies to put that round into production to bring down its price.

@guyman7776 2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexLee-dc2vb 7.5 does seem interesting, but that runs into the same problem, another obscure hard to find round. I wonder if FK makes a PCC in 7.5 that ends up being popular, CMMG might make an upper for it and demand for the round goes up and makes more manufacturers interested in making it making it easier to get.

@OttoTheWeim 3 жыл бұрын

CMMG is a stand up company as well. They started with the .22lr conversions and now they give us this. They were very good and communicative with the order process and progress and met their date as to when it would be produced and shipped. By far one of the best PCC out there and their coating leaves nothing to be desired. Everything they make just seems to be quality and to the highest spec. I’m a fan a customer. They didn’t release a half baked product just to let us beta test it.

@Mrgunsngear 4 жыл бұрын

I love this system; it really is fantastic

@jfra9494 3 жыл бұрын

Once again I love that your just another regular gun enthusiast like us and enjoy other guntube channel

@devinmounce1838 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how much R&D this actually took.. the fact these changes are so small and subtle makes me think they shot till it failed, made minor tweaks, and tried again till it worked. That’s assuming they planned on keeping the original bolt design. It probably would have been easier to just go with a completely different design.

@austinm.9832 3 жыл бұрын

@@devinmounce1838 well we got computers now, so they would've used those as much as possible.

@arctic3032 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds amazing, being able to customize the bolt is ingenious.

@marc-andreservant201 3 жыл бұрын

It's a remarkably simple idea. The bolt face rotating moves it slowly backwards but attempts to move the much heavier bolt carrier very fast backwards, which means it has to fight much harder against inertia, so the result is that it takes a lot longer to open the breech. It's like trying to do 0-60 but you have to start in 4th gear. Sure you have the same amount of horsepower but you're at a massive mechanical disadvantage.

@PrototypeSpaceMonkey 4 жыл бұрын

An AR-15 in .45 ACP... Gentlemen, we have achieved peak 'Muricaness.

@IAMAGUNH4XP 4 жыл бұрын

@Protherium Don't forget to add a red, white, and blue color scheme

@vaportrail226 4 жыл бұрын

@Protherium what if, and hear me out, instead of a lever malfunction button. The forward assist would turn the gas on or off. Then we could run semi or have the lever to run the action!

@joshuaredhorse4030 4 жыл бұрын

It'll need wood furniture, 50 round drum mags and a modern reproduction of the cutts compensator mounted on the muzzle.

@1911dawg 3 жыл бұрын

@Protherium It also needs an M1A1 Thompson style charging handle

@austont1537 3 жыл бұрын

Tim LaFrance designed the M16k in 45ACP in 1982.

@thisguy41487 4 жыл бұрын

I have one of these I built in .45 and it can handle everything from 185gr high velocity, to heavy low velocity, to even the hottest .45 Super that I hand load with ZERO problems or issues. They really knocked it out of the park with this design.

@timmccallum7336 Жыл бұрын

silenced? use any weights?

@thisguy41487 Жыл бұрын

@@timmccallum7336 almost exclusively suppressed nowadays. I've got an Octane 45 HD that lives on the Banshee, and I still have the 2oz weight in the bolt carrier from shooting .45 Super. It is superb and I can't recommend it enough. It can run the standard pressure .45 ACP without the suppressor just fine as well with that same weight configuration, but the weights aren't needed for it to function if you plan on shooting vanilla .45 ACP.

@kimisdaman Жыл бұрын

@@thisguy41487 You're running a two-ounce bolt weight? What about buffer weight? I have a three-ounce bolt weight, and am waiting on a seven-ounce buffer for my 10mm Banshee. It functions fine, but the rear edge of the ejection port, rather than the case deflector, is taking a real beating, and CMMG says if the heavier buffer doesn't help, downloaded ammo is the next step!

@thisguy41487 Жыл бұрын

@kimisdaman I'm running a standard weight buffer, but 10mm is higher pressure, so the maximum amount of added weight is likely needed. You might consider getting a shell deflector pad to prevent it from beating up around the ejection port.

@kimisdaman Жыл бұрын

@@thisguy41487 The stock, bolt-on deflector covers more of the upper than deflectors integral with the upper, but maybe some additional thickness, so the case never gets to the rear of the port, would help. The manual says a heavier buffer might be necessary for warmer loads, but I'm not running near full-power; hopefully the heavier buffer will do the trick.

@mrkeogh 4 жыл бұрын

CMMG = Clever Men Making Guns.

@arthurbenedetti9146 4 жыл бұрын

UC = underrated comment

@full-timepog6844 4 жыл бұрын

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz fbi logging your search history yet?

@boomwave2 3 жыл бұрын

Cunnilingus muy muy good

@floo1465 3 жыл бұрын

darksean94 bruh

@ronmatson5502 3 жыл бұрын

Can't manage making groupcarriers In the first place I just had to wanted to add to hahahaha

@j.fraley6862 4 жыл бұрын

I saw a recent video of this system in action. The guy didn't go into detail about the bolt carrier or anything like what you do, but he did run almost 5000 rounds through the rifle as fast as he could. He did have some feed issues, but the fact that he tried to melt the barrel, he never did and the fact that he went though that much ammo with very little issues was extremely impressive. He also showed the video in infrared and he got the entire rifle glowing, but it never melted the barrel.

@GruntJoe0341 4 жыл бұрын

I may need to snag this, for a PCC.

@redacted2713 4 жыл бұрын

Wait wat a week ago?

@Shadow-dy7oh 4 жыл бұрын

@@redacted2713 time travel

@SecretMarsupial 4 жыл бұрын

maikson wever SCP #3548

@GruntJoe0341 4 жыл бұрын

Patreon.

@john-paulsilke893 4 жыл бұрын

You will not regret this gun. The recoil is pleasant unlike my Colt AR9. And I do like my Colt, it runs like a top. But it recoils like my AR in 7.62x39 and is harsh, (but not heavy).

@machinist7230 4 жыл бұрын

The best part is CMMG has made the bolt and barrel assembly available for those who want to buld their own.👍☺

@illegalclown 4 жыл бұрын

Dang it Ian, I didn't need to spend more money. I already have enough PCCs, including SBRs, but here I am ordering an upper and mag conversions.

@Ultona 4 жыл бұрын

Have one of the first 20 9mm Guards ever made and it has been great for over 1000 rounds. One big advantage of this system is if you have an existing transferable machine Gun or SBR you can use one of these RDB uppers and it will be way easier on your lower than a straight blow back system. CMMG told me no more wear than a standard 5.56 upper would cause. Straight blowback 9mm tends to egg out hammer pin holes and crack hammer pins. Very interesting video.

@Guru_1092 4 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what any of what you just said means, but I'm glad you got a good product lol.

@TheGearhead222 4 жыл бұрын

The blowback system per se is hard on both the shooter AND the gun, as there's VERY little dampening and both the gun and the shooter must absorb the rest of the recoil. The French had significant problems with case head separations on their FAMAS, which Ian covered awhile back. Unlike most gas operated systems, there's no kind of adjustment with blowback designs-they either work or they don't. John in Texas

@charleslowrey9309 4 жыл бұрын

Built a 5.7 x 28 AR pistol with CMMG's 11 inch upper that uses a standard mil spec lower, and their 40 round magazines. Loving it thus far.

@johncashwell1024 4 жыл бұрын

I actually came up with the idea of a radially delayed blowback system for PCCs based on the AR platform at about same time that CMMG were developing the Banshee. As part of the U.S. Patent Application process, you must research the active patents to ensure that yours is the first and/or your patent doesn't infringe on another patent. That is when I discovered CMMG had beaten me to the Patent Office. It was a sad day for me, but I wasn't too surprised because, to me, the Radially Delayed Blowback system was an obvious next step.

@zuhailishufller8046 4 жыл бұрын

Ouch. Kinda felt that personally. When something you think on your own but somebody beat you first with the same idea.

@jannegrey593 4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I wish that patents could be shared. At least between reasonable people it might have been possible. I am sorry to hear your story. I hope that you will also leave a mark in Engineering history.

@soapman8970 4 жыл бұрын

That happen to me too...I wasn't an engineer but sometimes when come out some gun Operation system...I get hammer because found out people already taken that step...

@jacknickolstine3355 4 жыл бұрын

Dont forget about licensing your shit out. I prefer licensing over venturing because it allows you to keep moving on different projects. Not that venturing is bad just another way to make money on shit you dev. It's also alot cheaper when you let a big dog run with your idea. Idk about you but I don't have the marketing connections like that or the money to run a marketing campaign hahahahah. Just make sure you read the contract with a German microscope and a legal team. You can also retain patent rights and all variation of the product. This is nice if they void the contract and try to fuck you.

@jacknickolstine3355 4 жыл бұрын

@@jannegrey593 you can license your product ideas. This is technically that hahahahaha

@charlesboots6508 3 жыл бұрын

Ian: "I think it's really clever and cool." Me: "You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention."

@Quality_Guru 4 жыл бұрын

Wow - I am blown away about the engineering effort that the development team did on behalf of producing a soft recoiling 9mm AR pistol. I had completely ignored the CMMG Banshee because I had incorrectly though it was another blow back system. They are now worthy of consideration along with the PTR-5 (MP-5 Clone) and the B&T GHM as a best in class PCC. A big thanks for the excellent intel.

@longiusaescius2537 Жыл бұрын

Huh

@Whitefang8128 4 жыл бұрын

10mm seems like such a great PCC caliber. Glad to see someone has woken up to that fact.

@innercityprepper 3 жыл бұрын

No love for Hi-Point? :D

@usernamesrlamo Жыл бұрын

10mm seems pointless in an 8-12 inch barrel when you can have the versatility of 300 BLK instead.

@robbledot7290 Жыл бұрын

@@usernamesrlamo why not both?

@lepuuttelu 4 жыл бұрын

CLARIFICATION, Ian! 13:58 "Today they offer this in something like eight different calibers as well as a bunch of rifle caliber guns." I don't think they actually offer the *radial delayed* system on rifle calibers. They do use the Banshee name also for some rifle caliber models, but as far as I know, those actually use gas systems rather than this delayed blowback mechanism.

@ForgottenWeapons 4 жыл бұрын

Correct, I should have been clearer.

@lepuuttelu 4 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons Let me rephrase that as a CLARIFICATION, then :)

@joshreynolds72 4 жыл бұрын

LOVE, LOVE my Banshee! The radial delay simply must be shot and felt, especially against a straight blowback, to really be appreciated and understood.

@kmostachov 4 жыл бұрын

I like how the carbines's unique operating system really exploits the abundance of AR-15 parts (bolts, mags, etc.) on the market, thus making the gun commercially viable.

@viniciobrancato4900 4 жыл бұрын

It's cool to see CMMG putting history to work, the whole point of studying it is so we don't commit the same mistakes right? (And because it's cool)

@Phoenix90384 3 жыл бұрын

Did I miss where he mentioned that the design was based on Mannlicher's M93 semi-automatic rifles? I love Ian's work because he does such a good job researching, but I didn't hear that tidbit thrown out in the video.

@2Potates 4 жыл бұрын

I actually really like how they did the magazine for this thing.

@bisleyblackhawk1288 4 жыл бұрын

I love mine... I ordered the CMMG 9MM upper to fit on my AR pistol lower...the modified magazines are slicker than a minnow...the system is way more dependable than the blow back bolts with less recoil 👍👍👍 CMMG knocked it out of the park with the banshee 😎😎😎...Mean Arms needs a shoutout for the development of the super slick magazines 👍🙏👍🙏

@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts 4 жыл бұрын

When this came out I thought it was an awesome idea they even sell the bolts and barrels in a kit now so you can build from the ground up with this system I'm thinking about building one on the new WWSD lower.

@0nfir34h1m 4 жыл бұрын

I have the 9mm bolt and barrel with the mean arms mags. Feeds like a champ and super soft shooting, especially for a PCC. Its one of my favorite guns.

@AverageJoe4063 4 жыл бұрын

CMMG has come a long way. I'm not a big PCC fan and I was sceptical at first. It seemed to be a gimmick, but seeing it explained close up it really is innovative. Along with the magazine, getting an upper makes sense as you can practice with the much quieter and less expensive 9mm or even quieter with .45 ACP suppressed for home defense.

@pinejungleboogie3563 4 жыл бұрын

I think Forgotten Weapons's comment section is probably the most respectful and decent comment section on KZfaq basically the opposite of papa Garandthumb's.

@Dazrena 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. You can have a new nickname. The David Attenborough of firearms. You're preserving their history and stories with an enthusiasm and knowledge unmatched by your peers.

@glasstomouth9654 4 жыл бұрын

I would thoroughly enjoy watching Ian review common modern firearms. No one else gives such an easy to understand demonstration of mechanical function.

@michaelpee9471 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see the evolution of the prototypes that ended in this.

@lepuuttelu 4 жыл бұрын

@Viscous Shear Where's the indication that CMMG ever did anything with an inertia-driven system in the lead-up to this?

@AllieStrange 4 жыл бұрын

What a simple yet effective change to the bolt, kinda ingenious really.

@Sturgeonmeister 4 жыл бұрын

It is amazing how a platform, initially designed in the 1950's, can be so versatile. The AR platform can truly be considered Universal. You have to wonder what the future holds for this platform.

@KnifingAllDay 4 жыл бұрын

6.5

@ronroberts110 3 жыл бұрын

I took a deep dive on calibers and decided that the 277 wolverine fit my needs for my first AR

@patrickriisher1574 3 жыл бұрын

Ar-revoler next?

@IWatchedWhat 4 жыл бұрын

Ian, thank you, that was a better description of how that works than most I have seen.

@blue_ridge_shooting7668 4 жыл бұрын

This actually a compelling little carbine. The magazine conversion is Uber cool.

@sixstringedthing 4 жыл бұрын

Operating Systems, Chapter 3 (Blowback & Variations), Verse 09:38: 'And Gun Jesus said to the disciples "bringeth forth thy heavy loads and thine suppressor... But it would behoove thee to contemplate the weight of thy bolt carrier, and add more mass to the ass". And they were sore amazed, and indeed were full of mirth at this lesson'.

@EarthAltar 4 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@BarnettEight 4 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@ColonelPig 4 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@littledragonstudent2409 4 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@watchtheworld7840 4 жыл бұрын

Amen.

@cannonroberts5129 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ian, I appreciate you looking at different and possibly innovative mechanical systems. After learning you went to school for MET I can now see why are you have such an appreciation for these different mechanical systems.

@Tizzandor 4 жыл бұрын

is it strange, tthat my first reaction to that gun was "aw, that's cute"?

@GunsNGames1 4 жыл бұрын

Cute lil' AR

@jannegrey593 4 жыл бұрын

I like Kantai Collection - so to each their own ;) Also this gun looks great - and I am generally not a big fan of AR-15 Aesthetics - it's not ugly, but it's not special. But this one has something.

@alexanderm3504 4 жыл бұрын

Snorlax

@Peter-bg5gy 4 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, I venture a guess you have never been in combat...

@robbeelsas 4 жыл бұрын

**FBI and ATF want to know your location**

@austin_bennett 4 жыл бұрын

Gun Jesus has once again ascended into another level: *reviewing guns before they become forgotten!*

@ncgraniteman 2 жыл бұрын

I have become addicted to watching your videos regardless of subject matter. The true hook of almost every video is that as I am asking myself :” how did they do that” you anticipate my question and ANSWER IT!!! From the wall display video to Q & A sessions to weapons history to magazine innovation you have captured my interest and often inspired me to learn more on my own initiative. I do hope to meet you in person some day but until then; Carry on Brother, Carry on!!

@timberrecycling 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite videos are like these, where you explain the mechanisms and mechanics of the firearm operating. I've learned so much and before I started watching you I barely understood how guns cycled at all! Thank you!!

@michaelkolano8686 4 жыл бұрын

you know, i actually wonder how an action like this preforms in automatic fire, compared to straight blowback or even locked breech or roller delayed actions. it being able to use the various different unusual calibers would make it interesting too, i'd like to see how 5.7 and 10mm handle, aside from just 9mm and .45 while not allowed in my state, I've always highly sought after getting one. and this series has been pretty appreciably cited as having a very smooth and clean action with little gas blowback or other disruption. the magazine adapters would mean this could be easily dropped into a transferable lower to test it though.

@stevailo 4 жыл бұрын

Michael Kolano they actually make both a 10mm and a 5.7mm version of this exact gun, although I don’t think there are equivalent magazine conversation kits

@tammysilverwolf1085 4 жыл бұрын

Those are some really clever changes, great job engineers. Thank you for the video, Ian!

@Painterrap 4 жыл бұрын

I'm always waiting on your videos for new products because you really explain all the workings of a given firearm and how it came to be.

@kennynottelling5137 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ian. I actually fully understood how that action works.

@ja0298 4 жыл бұрын

I honestly think the CMMG RDB and the endomag is the pinnacle of AR PCC. There is a huge thread on AR15 dot com on the different combinations of buffer & springs to qausi-tune the system to run at different speeds, and more importantly (for me at least) to tune it for suppression. I've shot one of these suppressed and it sounds amazing. I'd like to trade CZ scorpion for one.

@bami2 4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping that was a quad-stack magazine with two rounds front to back and two side-to-side.

@Celebmacil 4 жыл бұрын

@ADH87 Same as in 5.56mm, assuming the insert isn't built for less for whatever reason. The range available is 10-30, and that's a 30 capacity insert he pulled out.

@oktayyildirim2911 4 жыл бұрын

That would certainly be a design nightmare

@sanguinemoon9201 4 жыл бұрын

Quad stack is generally only reliable as a quad stack double feed. This is primarily due to cartridge shift under recoil. Also, for quad feed to function at all it becomes very expensive to make. I'd like to see Schmeisser make one of their quad stacks for this; that'd be quite cool.

@AS-hv2ux 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing "non-forgotten" weapons. You are reaching a new audience that may cross over and watch your other older weapon videos.

@natebramwell9520 4 жыл бұрын

It is awesome that you always find guns that are uniquely designed some how. No matter there release. Thank you.

@lathanchurch8352 4 жыл бұрын

Are there any belt fed shotguns, ever? Like in concept, prototypes etc?

@Paronak 4 жыл бұрын

as far as i know, the only beltfed shotgun i ever saw through a monitor screen, is the automatic heavy machine shotgun from Metro

@lathanchurch8352 4 жыл бұрын

@@Paronak same, I wish there was a real version but it was made from the dushka heavy machine gun

@johnm3907 4 жыл бұрын

I seen a rig that had 3 saiga shotguns spinning and firing, it was on that show that was cancelled because the main guy was a rapist

@marcusborderlands6177 4 жыл бұрын

@@lathanchurch8352 there is one full auto belt fed shotgun on KZfaq, but there is literally no information on it

@marcusborderlands6177 4 жыл бұрын

@@zdub8438 I mean the mk19 is a belt fed grenade launcher, and they have factory buckshot 40mm grenades.

@free2chasehappy 4 жыл бұрын

Being an engineer, I love when a company innovates. This is a great design.

@stefanmolnapor910 4 жыл бұрын

Ian, Your the BEST! Thanks for tearing this down, I've been interested in learning about this, but have not had the urge to purchase the gun.

@01HondaS2kXD 4 жыл бұрын

Such a cool system. I look forward to seeing your impressions of it at the range. It practically shoots like an MP5, but with the better controls of an AR. And I’m told it suppresses about the same, too.

@thelastminuteman7513 4 жыл бұрын

This is so cool I love the engineering that goes into these things. I want the 10mm.

@A-schmuck-on-da-web 4 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the 1923 Thompson autorifle with a radial like blish lock

@vaclav_fejt 4 жыл бұрын

@@spraynpray How so? The physics seems sound. And the problem they faced was overcome.

@76horsepower 4 жыл бұрын

I believe the difference is that, in the Thompson auto rifle, the bolt and bolt carrier move back at the same rate, whereas in this new rifle, the bolt carrier is accelerated at a faster rate at the beginning by the twisting action of the bolt acting on the bolt carrier via the bolt lug in the channel. The Thompson auto rifle is more like the Savage 1907 in that, while there may be a delay, it's simply the turning of the bolt (or barrel, in the case of the Savage) that slows it, not any sort of lever. If the bolt head in this AR was permanently fixed to the bolt carrier so that the two rotated together and at the same rate (if that were possible with an AR platform), then yes, it would work the same as the Thompson auto rifle.

@jic1 4 жыл бұрын

@Craig Koehler In that it was supposed to be a locked-breach system, and wasn't. But it worked as a delayed-blowback.

@webtoedman 4 жыл бұрын

@@76horsepower The first Thompsons operated (allegedly) on the "Blish principle". Dissimilar metals under pressure were claimed to stick together momentarily, delaying unlocking until the pressure in the breech had fallen. There was an angled bronze wedge like component that Thompson called the "H piece", which was supposed to do the sticking, but in reality did very little. US Army ordnance deleted it during WW II, making the gun into a simple blowback device, with no problems. My Grandad was very fond of his.

@76horsepower 4 жыл бұрын

webtoedman My comments are regarding the Thompson Autorifle, the full-power rifle which competed with the Garand, not the Thompson submachine gun.

@arthurrollins6633 4 жыл бұрын

Received my 9mm banshee upper and 9 arc mags in December, absolutely love using it on my ar pistol that usually is chambered in 300 blk.

@ganthrithor 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ian! What an interesting machine and magazine!

@oldman2477 4 жыл бұрын

Ian: "THE SPECIAL SAUCE." Me: ༼;´༎ຶ ᴗ ༎ຶ༽

@PrototypeSpaceMonkey 4 жыл бұрын

T H E S A U C E kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pqeqn7KJrbu6onk.html

@tobiasGR3Y 4 жыл бұрын

I've been running with one of these in The Division 2... I had no idea this was an actual weapon!

@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248 4 жыл бұрын

Me too! Just like the LVOA from the first one

@dirtyhoneybadger9783 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for keeping on keeping on with all this badass knowledge, Ian. I appreciate you. Many rough mornings have become better thanks to your teachings. 👍

@woohoo2491 4 жыл бұрын

Gotta admit it's clever, basically a standard AR15 bolt that does what they normally do, except with a spring pushing the locking lugs forward

@NACAM42 4 жыл бұрын

I have one and it's easily my favorite PCC ever. I recommend getting the upper and the pmag conversion. Not cheap but worth it. Probably like $650 not including the lower.

@josephfarrah579 4 жыл бұрын

While the firearm is really cool I was quite impressed with that magazine conversion! I've started to have a larger appreciation for magazine design after listening to you talk about it. Often under appreciated and overlooked it seems! Great video!

@andrewfossatti4937 4 жыл бұрын

Very glad they stuck with it because their radial delayed blowback is as awesome as the H&K roll ser delayed blowback

@its_clean 4 жыл бұрын

Years ago before I learned how the AR's "not really DI" internal piston system worked, I actually thought this is what happened: first the bolt rotates, then it "pushes" the carrier to the rear. I have to assume I'm not the only one who got it backwards. I don't know if this is what motivated CMMG to design their mechanism, but I find it truly inspired and brilliant that they've taken what may be a layman's common misconception, and used exactly that understanding to transform an internal gas piston into a delayed blowback using highly similar parts in virtually the same configuration. Super cool stuff.

@snape1464 4 жыл бұрын

Really cool PCC. It is one of the first that has the potential to be as good as an mp5, by virtue of not being simple blowback. Adding AR ergonomics and a magazine hold-open, I have high hopes for it

@RaDeus87 4 жыл бұрын

11.5 + 3 = 14.5 ounces = 411 grams I can never get my head around ounces, I know it's ~30g, but I just can't do that conversion on the fly like pounds (just halve it to get kg).

@mrb692 4 жыл бұрын

Jesper O If you want to do even better (1% accuracy be 10%), halve the weight in pounds like you normally do, then subtract 1/10th of the result. So say something is 12 pounds, that halves to 6, and 6 minus 0.6 is 5.4. The real conversion is 5.443.

@rianrushwood1426 4 жыл бұрын

Jesper O ounces are 1/16 of a pound. Convert to pounds then multiply by 16

@mitchellpatterson1829 4 жыл бұрын

American here. The secret to the imperial system is hallucinogenic drugs. But seriously, the basis of it is "common" objects used as reference, then fractions for division over decimals. Metric confuses me because I am not used to it. I can convert inches to MM pretty fast, but I worked on cars, so lots of wrench swapping. "Not a 5/8, or a 9/16, must be 15mm" Isn't a kilo 2.2 Lbs? Halving it would lead to some drift.

@zuzusuperfly8363 4 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellpatterson1829 The only reason I know that a pound is ~450 grams is because we sell meat by weight and people insist on asking for pounds and half pounds. We also have people that ask for shit and leave it in a random isle because the prices are in grams and people have no concept of what a couple hundred grams actually looks like. Literally happens daily.

@mitchellpatterson1829 4 жыл бұрын

@@zuzusuperfly8363 I worked grocery too. I hate the decorating customers. At least our system is consistent, I have heard horror stories about shopping in Canada.

@Rockroller1986 2 жыл бұрын

Great work, earned a like, and a sub! I like how you went into the details , and comparisons. 🤘

@bas6601 4 жыл бұрын

That's pretty cool. Might be a good use for that spare lower I have sitting around.

@ravensnflies8167 4 жыл бұрын

04:06 i thought he was going to say "let me show you its features ahh hahh hahh hahh."

@roguereaver634 4 жыл бұрын

Let me show you what they came up with!

@sockmon1 4 жыл бұрын

Haa haaa haa haaa, wow! That's a lot of damage ha ha ha

@michaelmarshall8041 4 жыл бұрын

You're referencing the crazy German with the crossbows and slingshots.

@sockmon1 4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmarshall8041 wait, what?

@foxtail1179 4 жыл бұрын

@@sockmon1 its JoergSprave lol you should check him out

@blaisechalmers1464 4 жыл бұрын

I've honestly been waiting for Ian to do a Vid on this beauty 😂🤟🏻

@VoltageLP 3 жыл бұрын

Damn it looks beautiful, such a compact, light and stylish gun

@brkbtjunkie 4 жыл бұрын

Would be cool to see a video on the history of the CZ Scorpion and how it’s changed drastically over the years.

@joshglover2370 4 жыл бұрын

That's awesome how they designed that magazine to work with a standard lower so that you don't have to buy a whole new gun to shoot pistol caliber! 😀👍

@joelmuller358 4 жыл бұрын

So, any reason that similar magazine inserts couldn't be made inte other calibers mentioned? Would the dimensinons of the AR mag unduly limit the capacity of the bigger pistol rounds?

@williambell7763 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, a doublestack 45 mag is pretty wide, its have to be either a proprietary mag, or a single stack, which is kinda silly in a pcc, there are a few companies making specific lowers for the bigger rounds, which I assume would work with the cmmg barrel and bcg, if you remove the extractor from the lower. Edit: I totally missed the actual point of the question, pretty much what I said, but yeah the mags would have to be close to single stack for it to work.

@mrkeogh 4 жыл бұрын

The mag is very f*cking clever. Why have a dedicated mag when you can switch out the insert so quickly on any P-Mag?

@owllymannstein7113 4 жыл бұрын

It works particularly well for 9mm because the case head diameter for 9mm and 5.56 is nearly identical. .40, 10mm, and .45 are all larger so the rounds wouldn't stack as well in the mag body and you might have issues with rounds feeding through the feed lips. It could probably be done, but it would take more engineering to make it reliable.

@theimmortal4718 4 жыл бұрын

357 Magnum???

@owllymannstein7113 4 жыл бұрын

@max Interesting that you mention 7.62x39, because they do make AR mags in that caliber, and they fit in a standard AR lower. So potentially if one really wanted to you could probably do some funky things with .40 and 10mm

@JayCBR1100xx 4 жыл бұрын

I like these videos quite a lot, with not quite forgotten, but firearms that are unique in function or design. Great video as always keep it up.

@StarkRaven59 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for covering this, Ian. I've seen the ads for these, and had been wondering what radial delayed blowback meant. Now I know.

@Token_Black_Guy 4 жыл бұрын

"It would behoove you" *army enlisted eye twitching intensifies*

@jaicanfield5328 4 жыл бұрын

Me watching at 3 AM about to go to sleep Ian: " And here's the special sauce " Me: *go on*

@el-media6434 Жыл бұрын

Hi! It may be 3yrs past but I would like to thank you for having to explain it better than the other. Good luck, stay safe and more power!

@samuelmendoza9356 4 жыл бұрын

Finally! I've been waiting for the radial delayed ever since you announce it back in March!

@goosedeathable 3 жыл бұрын

Ian sold me on this system...too bad it took 10+ weeks to get. Best channel and content ever. Super informative.

@LionofCaliban 4 жыл бұрын

This I need to rewatch a few times. How that action works is still a bit confusing to me. I'll get my head around it eventually. Considering the range of ammunition out there, yeah, I don't blame for taking some time to get it working and loosening up the requirements for operating the gun. They've really done a damned good job, especially if it's available in close to 10 different calibres.

@regisque 4 жыл бұрын

I'm with you I'm having a hard time understanding this one, but I think I just got it. The force from the angled surfaces is being passed back through the bolt head to act on the cam-pin to force the bolt carrier backwards.

@bomric1788 4 жыл бұрын

It's like a clicky pen!

@TheAlex1121 4 жыл бұрын

I watched the AN-94 video about 5 times till I got that one.

@LionofCaliban 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheAlex1121 Not the only one. That whole thing of the mag being off set by a few degrees and all the stuff going on..... I think I'll need to make it another two three rewatches this weekend.

@LionofCaliban 4 жыл бұрын

@@regisque I''m starting to get it, the angle surfaces are the key here. Just another rewatch or two and I should have it.

@alexstubbs4270 4 жыл бұрын

If anyone was wondering what the attachments are. I Muzzle Brake I FSS 11.5” commando barrel I PBX HOLO Optic I Singaurd Stock I SOCOM 10-Round Mag I

@illusion__5261 4 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking that, however if there was a blueprint that allowed 9mm to look like the 5.56 mag then I'd use that

@DonziGT230 4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't, but if you're gonna play know-it-all you should state what brand/model brake it is, not just state the obvious that it has one. Also, he gave all the details of the mag; SOCOM was never mentioned and it looks like it would hold much more than 10 rounds.

@donogruffian2286 4 жыл бұрын

@@DonziGT230 R/whoosh

@mitchellpatterson1829 4 жыл бұрын

@@DonziGT230 He is referencing a video game (Modern Warfare 2019), and probably had limited knowledge of actual firearms accessories. The actual barrel is 10", not 11.5" (CMMG makes this system in only 10 or 16). The muzzle brake is, well a muzzle brake. The holographic sight is I think an EOTech (Since PBX is a made up brand), the magazine is a 30 round Magpul, and will NOT accept 458 SOCOM. Don't know the stock (it may legally be called an "arm brace") but I'm pretty sure singaurd is made up too.

@brunoratto253 4 жыл бұрын

Not so much a "forgotten" weapon, but a cool, interesting and clever one. I like that Ian isn't all that attached to the concept of the name of the channel. That way we get to see him take a look at these interesting and innovative ideas in firearms developement that we might otherwise miss on account of being so new and *not* forgotten. I for instance had no idea what was the Banshee's gimmick. I thought it was just another PCC. I'm glad to be proven wrong by Ian and learning about this interesting new concept. Radial delayed blowback, huh? Nice!

@DudeInWalmart 4 жыл бұрын

Some time back I had the same idia that CMMG came up with. I'm happy that yhey did too and they are making it now.

@ealtar 4 жыл бұрын

because it's "quasi" locked, i suspect the accuracy to be excellent

@CzechoslovakGunStories 4 жыл бұрын

pretty cool little shooter :) interesting also :)

@_Musashi_13 4 жыл бұрын

Ian. You are by far one of the most knowledgeable people I know about in regards to firearms. You are also eager to learn from others and you are always so respectful of guests you have that have more knowledge on some subjects like Larry Vickers for example. I would like to commend you on one of the best channels on you tube.

@lanceluthor6660 4 жыл бұрын

I like anything that makes Ian get that giddy kid on xmass morning look. The combination of his genuine enthusiasm with his PhD level of knowledge makes for consistently great content.

@ian-op5fv 4 жыл бұрын

I shocked that there are so many issues with chambering it in 9mm when you have homemade guns like the Sten that work just fine.

@Hansengineering 4 жыл бұрын

The Sten has that honkin' huge weight Ian mentioned can't fit in an AR-15 pattern receiver.

@davidburwell4218 4 жыл бұрын

agree seems like they could have gone with a multi-stage recoil spring or something...seems weird

@steveh1792 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidburwell4218 It's an elegant solution that works very well. And you're not stuck with a heavy bolt slamming back and forth.

@ronroberts110 3 жыл бұрын

The reason for the delayed blowback is that simple blowback (like the STEN), did not work reliably with the 45 cal. Once CMMG had a patented system, customers asked for a 9mm version, even though simple blowback would work fine for 9mm. Simple blowback would also not work for 10mm or 40 cal, but as to the 9mm, sometimes customers are willing to spend money on something that is un-neccesary, and I cant blame CMMG for profiting off of that. Also, even for 9mm, the SB is not hugely accurate because an open bolt is basically a "slam fire" weapon, and the bolt slamming forward throws off the aim. STEN is very easy and cheap to make, but customers with money seem to like this.

@dmk0210 3 жыл бұрын

@@ronroberts110 There is a benefit to the delayed blowback 9mm when shooting suppressed. Suppressors increase back pressure. This system delays the bolt longer to keep the gas coming out the ejection port to a minimum and more of it going out through the suppressor. That means it's quieter and less gas in the face. Same with the 9mm MP5's roller delayed system. H&K obviously thought delayed blowback 9mm was worth while.